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its time for a debate .

Originally posted by xmeat
its time for a debate .

It's time to laugh at xmeat

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Is this Hudlin BP? (if so against an Aryan like Aquaman this would be spite)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Is this Hudlin BP? (if so against an Aryan like Aquaman this would be spite) BP fought namor i think he fares well against AC.

Interesting one. It really depends in the scenario.

With good gear and just a little prep, Black Panther, unless it's near/in water.

With good gear and no prep for Panther, 6/10.

Just an all out fight with a typically geared Panther, Aquaman.

This is a tough one to decide! Kudos

Originally posted by Badabing
eek2 eer shocking

I think Bada is dead . . .

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think Bada is dead . . .
rip1

aquaman wins...if this is magic hand version he stays hydrated without water so he dont even need to be near it....his powers are at top noch as well o and tp powers unless bp has some weird tp blocker that i dident know about

Originally posted by Badabing
rip1

*starts looking though Badabing's stuff*

Originally posted by AQUA-MARINER
B]aquaman wins...if this is magic hand version he stays hydrated without water so he dont even need to be near it....his powers are at top noch as well o and tp powers unless bp has some weird tp blocker that i dident know about

Makes sense to me.

Unless BP pulls out ridiculous tech (which he might) he's screwed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
*starts looking though Badabing's stuff*



Makes sense to me.

Unless BP pulls out ridiculous tech (which he might) he's screwed. not quite namor>AC so bp has some chance.

Originally posted by xmeat
not quite namor>AC so bp has some chance.

AM still has superhuman speed, strength and healing. Plus his TP would at least mess with BP enough to bring his fighting down a notch or two.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
AM still has superhuman speed, strength and healing. Plus his TP would at least mess with BP enough to bring his fighting down a notch or two. when did ac have the ability to mess with peoples head.

Originally posted by xmeat
when did ac have the ability to mess with peoples head.

I heard somewhere he can have some limited effect the minds of things decended from marine life.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It's time to laugh at xmeat

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Ya know Smurph this was a civil debate . . .

Aquaman gets no respect. He owns black panther. This cannot be a serious thread...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Ya know Smurph this was a civil debate . . .

Then you don't know who Aquaman is.

Still...

That stings SC...

That stings real bad... ermmcry

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Then you don't know who Aquaman is.


The debate was civil. Rather than laughing at xmeat I was explaining to him why BP would lose.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Still...

That stings SC...

That stings real bad... ermmcry

You seem to like "ermm" based smileys . . . *chases butterflies*

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The debate was civil. Rather than laughing at xmeat I was explaining to him why BP would lose.

Then leave me to laugh in peace. schmoll

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You seem to like "ermm" based smileys . . . *chases butterflies*

Why yes, I do.

Stalker. ermmoh

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Then leave me to laugh in peace. schmoll

very well

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Why yes, I do.

Stalker. ermmoh

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so out of ten what chance does t'challa have?

Originally posted by xmeat
so out of ten what chance does t'challa have?

0.

Maybe .5

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
0.

Maybe .5

glare racist

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
0.

Maybe .5 i think better than 0 come on.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
*starts looking though Badabing's stuff*
Get your stinkin' hands off my stuff you damn dirty ape!
http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/fanart/mike/planet-apes_small.jpg

Originally posted by Badabing
Get your stinkin' hands off my stuff you damn dirty ape!
http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/fanart/mike/planet-apes_small.jpg

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
glare racist

Originally posted by Badabing
Get your stinkin' hands off my stuff you damn dirty ape!
http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/fanart/mike/planet-apes_small.jpg
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
glare racist

EDIT: SC beat me to it... but I don't care!

Originally posted by xmeat
i think better than 0 come on.

Well he might get one with a huge bit of luck. The problem is that AM has almost every concievable advantage in this fight.

Get out of my head Smurph!!!

Smurph and Chaos, I'm just going to say this once. Don't ever call me a racist again. Ribbing and joking is fine but both of you crossed the line.

Originally posted by outarddwarf
Aquaman gets no respect. He owns black panther. This cannot be a serious thread...

agree'ed and i mean no offence when i say this but the tread starter does'ent have all the facts on aquaman as it is, pluse they hate aquaman so to them AC is gonna lose 10/10 to anyone

not being an @$$ here but really i have seen how u disrespect him in almost every fight he's put in, so i must ask y do u even make a fight for him?

Originally posted by Badabing
Smurph and Chaos, I'm just going to say this once. Don't ever call me a racist again. Ribbing and joking is fine but both of you crossed the line.

But I said you were racist against apes...

Sorry, I guess it was kindof an asshatted of me to assume what was ok. Didn't mean to insinuate anything, Bada.

Originally posted by AQUA-MARINER
agree'ed and i mean no offence when i say this but the tread starter does'ent have all the facts on aquaman as it is, pluse they hate aquaman so to them AC is gonna lose 10/10 to anyone

not being an @$$ here but really i have seen how u disrespect him in almost every fight he's put in, so i must ask y do u even make a fight for him? '


I made this thread cause i seen how BP did against lantern so i wanted to know how would he do against AC.
I thoght it was preety pathetic how AC beat namor in the crossover though.

Originally posted by xmeat
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I made this thread cause i seen how BP did against namor so i wanted to know how would he do against AC.
I thoght it was preety pathetic how AC beat namor in the crossover though.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
But I said you were racist against apes...

Sorry, I guess it was kindof an asshatted of me to assume what was ok. Didn't mean to insinuate anything, Bada.

Originally posted by Badabing


If you were kidding, I'm going to tell you to go f*ck a donkey. ermm

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
If you were kidding, I'm going to tell you to go f*ck a donkey. ermm No, I meant it's cool. It seems that people have been called racist a lot recently.


A donkey?!

Originally posted by Badabing
No, I meant it's cool. It seems that people have been called racist a lot recently.


A donkey?!

Oh, ok.

Then in that case:

I was gonna say "llama", but I own a llama and the thought was disturbing. ermm

Originally posted by xmeat
its time for a debate .

TOTALLY depends. What's the prep situation like?

Aquaman smashes BP. There's nothing to dicuss in this fight, since it'll end as quick as soon as it starts.

Originally posted by xmeat
when did ac have the ability to mess with peoples head.

Please read up on AM.

You'll realize that not only is he extremely powerful, he is also overlooked and underestimated quite a bit. The main reason is that he is in the JLA, which means that his team-mates are either stronger, faster, more invulnerable, smarter, better fighters, have better TP, etc.

However look at it this way:

Strength: He lifted a city block.
Speed: He has blitzed people with guns before they could react
Senses: He has heightened senses (because of the dark environments under the sea, and in one account it enabled him to see in near darkness)
Resilience: While not superman, the pressures of the deep have imbued him with some resilience
Telepathy: Strong TP that can affect anything with a marine heritage (eg humans, since we evolved from aquatic life, and apparently even some Alien species)
Fighting ability: Not only a good fighter but a very ruthless one
Technology: Some of the tech (kind of falls also into tech-magic) in Atlantis is pretty good
Magic: With his magic hand he can do a whole lot of things. Ranging from healing mutations all the way to worldwide Gehenna if he unleashes the 'Hunger' by using the Hand for bad purposes.

That is just a smattering of what AM can do (check out one of his respect threads to see the full story, plus scans, of Aquaman doing his thing).

Bottom line is ....Aquaman only APPEARS weak because his teammates are stronger (eg WW), faster (eg Flash), more invulnerable (eg Superman), better TP (eg MM). HOWEVER, Aquaman is no joke. He can wipe the floor with many characters, and one of those characters is Black Panther.

Now ....BP has a great mind (I consider him Marvel's Batman) and he can come up with some plan if given time and opportunity to prepare. Thus Black Panther CAN defeat Aquaman if certain stipulations are given.

However the way you made the thread you simply asked if BP can defeat AM. You did not stipulate prep time, what amount of prep time, and so forth.
Thus it is basically a blood-lusted fight between Panther and Aquaman.

The result of such a fight is a 10/10 win for Aquaman, with BlackPanther (or Batman, or any such character) being left a broken eviscerated mass of human pulp!

10/10 for Aquaman under those conditions.

didn't batman fight AC.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Oh, ok.

Then in that case:

I was gonna say "llama", but I own a llama and the thought was disturbing. ermm The thought that you own a llama, in itself, is somewhat disturbing. dodgyOriginally posted by Metalmanx
TOTALLY depends. What's the prep situation like? Besides a large one sided prep advantage, BP stands no chance. Even then iffy. ermm

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Besides a large one sided prep advantage, BP stands no chance. Even then iffy. ermm

Is AM really that good with prep?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Is AM really that good with prep? Iunno... Atlantis... tech... magic... armies... and Aquaman himself. Plus all the fishies in the deep blue sea.

Too tired to think right now. I may reevaluate later...

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
It's time to laugh at xmeat

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Iunno... Atlantis... tech... magic... armies... and Aquaman himself. Plus all the fishies in the deep blue sea.

Too tired to think right now. I may reevaluate later...

I see.

BP has an army of his own and quite a bit of good tech too.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I see.

BP has an army of his own and quite a bit of good tech too. Still... armies of Atlantean warriors who can spar with Aquaman apparently... and magic... lots of powerful sorcerers... and Aquaman himself. And the fishies of course.

Then again I'm referring to before the Spectre did a number on them and the shit hit the fan. So meh.

Originally posted by xmeat
didn't batman fight AC.

I do not know of Batman ever fighting AquaMan, but even if he did it still doesn't change anything.

The only way BlackPanther (or Batman for that matter) can win against Aquaman is if BP (BM) is given prep time and opportunity to come up with some stratagem ....eg, maybe placing a nuclear device in the general area and then putting some sort of psi-dampener (this is comics) to ensure that AM isn't able to read minds and know what is going on.

In a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.

AM is faster, stronger, more resilient, better perception, has magic, and has top tier telepathy.

A physical match without prep for BP is spite (although on the other hand, giving BP a lot of prep time while AM sits there waiting to be whooped is also spite .....thus it is hard to put AM against BP with BP having no prep, and it is also hard to put AM against BP with BP having prep).

The interesting thing would be if BOTH had prep time, although even then ALL my money would be on Aquaman.
Wakandan technology is the bomb, but AM also has comparable tech (Atlantean, although I'd say Wakandan is better) BUT his Atlantean resources are also augmented by ....yep ....sorcery.

In essence, Aquaman is simply beyond Black Panther (and Batman) in a KMC style match.
The only way he would lose is if prep time was given to Panther (Batman) while none is given to Aquaman ....in essence, a free punch while AM is standing there like some sucker.

A normal fight between the two = BlackPanther (Batman) bloodied, beaten and dead.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I do not know of Batman ever fighting AquaMan, but even if he did it still doesn't change anything.

The only way BlackPanther (or Batman for that matter) can win against Aquaman is if BP (BM) is given prep time and opportunity to come up with some stratagem ....eg, maybe placing a nuclear device in the general area and then putting some sort of psi-dampener (this is comics) to ensure that AM isn't able to read minds and know what is going on.

In a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.

AM is faster, stronger, more resilient, better perception, has magic, and has top tier telepathy.

A physical match without prep for BP is spite (although on the other hand, giving BP a lot of prep time while AM sits there waiting to be whooped is also spite .....thus it is hard to put AM against BP with BP having no prep, and it is also hard to put AM against BP with BP having prep).

The interesting thing would be if BOTH had prep time, although even then ALL my money would be on Aquaman.
Wakandan technology is the bomb, but AM also has comparable tech (Atlantean, although I'd say Wakandan is better) BUT his Atlantean resources are also augmented by ....yep ....sorcery.

In essence, Aquaman is simply beyond Black Panther (and Batman) in a KMC style match.
The only way he would lose is if prep time was given to Panther (Batman) while none is given to Aquaman ....in essence, a free punch while AM is standing there like some sucker.

A normal fight between the two = BlackPanther (Batman) bloodied, beaten and dead.

Agree'd,

But I do have a question or two, I don't know much about aquaman so maybe you can enlighten me.

How fast is AM!!? would you put him above or below namor, same with durability, anywhere around namors level?

Also, how powerful is his telepathy!!? I ask because the Panther god gives T'challa a superhuman resistance to telepathic attacks, (cable couldn't even read his mind).

But yeah, I agree, Aquaman has BP outclassed in every way, Only way I can see BP getting any wins is with Prep, or depending how fast Aquaman is.

Originally posted by spetznaz


In a one-to-one physical fight, KMC style (i.e. no jobbing, bloodlusted, out for victory) then one thing is simple .....there is no way a human (even 'peak' humans like Panther and Bats, whatever 'peak' means) are going to win against someone like Aquaman.



Yeah the only thing is BP isnt peak human anymore hes superhuman.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah the only thing is BP isnt peak human anymore hes superhuman.

Oh yeah forgot about that, Hudlin gave him an upgrade.

Edit: I however do not know the extent, I dont think I would put him past blade level.

Aquaman wins with no difficulty.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Also, how powerful is his telepathy!!? I ask because the Panther god gives T'challa a superhuman resistance to telepathic attacks, (cable couldn't even read his mind).Which version of Cable? Reading minds is different to psiblasts, many people with resistances to telepathy can fight against mind control and mind reading, but are still fried by a psiblast. And Aquaman's variant of telepathic attack further still seems different to psibolts and be based more in the physical than the esoteric.

Giving a white Martian a seizure is one of his often brought up telepathic feats for reference.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Oh yeah forgot about that, Hudlin gave him an upgrade.

Edit: I however do not know the extent, I dont think I would put him past blade level.

To be quite honest with you all this peak human/superhuman business is confusing.

Cap is said to be peak human but if you just look at his strength level he is superhuman (lifting 1100lbs with ease).

Nightcrawler is supposed to be an Olympic class acrobat ie does not have superhuman reflexes. Bull****.

DD is supposed to be an Olympic level athelete. Part of his reflexes come from his senses , but having Olympic level reflexes does not able you to bat bullets because your reflexes would not be fast enough for you to do this even if you knew the bullet was coming.

The whole classification system is ****ed.

IMO your viewing it to much in realistic terms, view them as fictional humans or anime humans.

Even Hawkeye who is a regular human has a bow that even Olympic Athletes strong guys struggle with his arrows.

To Punisher taking tranquilizers and not being put down and killing Crocodiles on there turf without no weapons IIRC.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah the only thing is BP isnt peak human anymore hes superhuman.

Batman is also supposed to be 'peak human' (and in his case there is no Wakandan herb like T'Challa nor some Super Soldier Formula like Cap), yet MANY of his feats are CLEARLY superhuman (eg evading a sniper's bullet by FEELING the over-pressure caused by the supersonic bullet travelling through air, kicking a mature tree in two, breaking free from being chained to a chimney by ripping the bloody chimney off etc etc etc).
Actually, to be honest, Batman has more 'super human' feats than Cap America and B.Panther combined.

Or take Batgirl ......

Furthermore, even if you state that BP is 'superhuman,' what is that compared to someone that can lift a city block and throw off mind attacks that can cripple TRUE super people.

Thus the distinction of BP being peak vs super human is actually pure semantics.
It is like debating on whether a Porsche Carrera is faster than a Lamborghini Murcielago ......yet the cars are competing in a cross-country race against a Tupolev Tu-144!

Now, the Porsche may or may not be faster than the Lambo, but the fact remains neither vehicle is going to win against the Tu.

Same thing here ....Panther may be Peak or may be Super human (although the way so-called Peak humans are written they may as well be metahuman .....many of the things Nightwing does on a weekly basis are technically beyond human, and Captain America's serum DEFINITELY did not make him peak human).
Anyways, T'Challa may or may not be peak/super, but his abilities simply do not compare to those of Aquaman.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Which version of Cable? Reading minds is different to psiblasts, many people with resistances to telepathy can fight against mind control and mind reading, but are still fried by a psiblast. And Aquaman's variant of telepathic attack further still seems different to psibolts and be based more in the physical than the esoteric.

Giving a white Martian a seizure is one of his often brought up telepathic feats for reference.


I see what you saying, Reading someones mind and a Psiblast are two different things. Yeah cable didnt try to attack panther or nothing, he was just having a hard time detecting him.

Point taken.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I see what you saying, Reading someones mind and a Psiblast are two different things. Yeah cable didnt try to attack panther or nothing, he was just having a hard time detecting him.

Point taken.

By rights eventhough Psi balsts and mind reading are two different tasks they are both similar in nature. So if you have resistance to teleptahy you should have resistance to mind blasts, but I guess thats just how things are.

I dont know much about white martians but they seem to be badass. If aquaman can do that and BP gets no prep, BP loses.