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how many of the celestails would it take to bring down the vishanti in their own realm.
your opinions please?

Originally posted by Nihilist
how many of the celestails would it take to bring down the vishanti in their own realm.
your opinions please?

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other than scathan.

fail. vishanti's were strong enough to even resist LT for some time when directed by dr strange, no celestial is doing crap to them. neither are all celestials combined doing anything. i think the celestials are vastly overrated on this forum.

against the entire Celestial race?
spite.

against one or two, don't know depends on the power levels they demonstrate. as far as I'm aware Galactus can consume the dimension of any magic wielding entity... I would suspect a Celestial could do the same.

galactus is way below the vishaantis. the vishaantis are equal to or even greater than eternity.

gotta disagree

eternity's power dwafts the vishanti

Originally posted by janus77
against the entire Celestial race?
spite.

against one or two, don't know depends on the power levels they demonstrate. as far as I'm aware Galactus can consume the dimension of any magic wielding entity... I would suspect a Celestial could do the same.

its not the entire race,its how many celestials would it take to defeat them,so its not spite.

aggamatto stalemated galactus in their own realm.

Originally posted by Nihilist
its not the entire race,its how many celestials would it take to defeat them,so its not spite.

aggamatto stalemated galactus in their own realm.
Galactus was clearly underestimating aggamatto, as well as not really intent on defeating him. see how he began to absorb Mephisto's dimension, he would likely do the same to aggamatto's dimension if he really wanted to destroy him.

no it does, the vishaantis power was able to repel the LT for some time, both cyttorak and dormammu have gone up against eternity, the former cudnt be harmed by eternity and the later atleast won for the first few minutes/seconds.

there is no such thing as "won" for the first few minutes/seconds. it's called having the upper hand (well, past tense - had the upperhand) and against Eternity, it's called PIS .

Originally posted by janus77
Galactus was clearly underestimating aggamatto, as well as not really intent on defeating him. see how he began to absorb Mephisto's dimension, he would likely do the same to aggamatto's dimension if he really wanted to destroy him.

aggamatto and the vishanti are far,far superior to mephisto.mephisto has been defeated in his own realm many a time.

Originally posted by Nihilist
aggamatto and the vishanti are far,far superior to mephisto.mephisto has been defeated in his own realm many a time.
what I was drawing your attention to was that Galactus could consume magical dimensions, like he consumes hyperspace, like he consumes the universe in general.

if Galactus was inclined to truly fight for something (if say cosmic consonance was at stake) I'm sure he'd at least attempt to do that.

furthermore, this was in Aggamatto's dimension, theoretically Galactus should have been at a disadvantage... all things point to that confrontation as being less than positive for Aggamatto imo.

eternity knew the outcome when dormammu challenged him

he was unharmed

dormammu and umar conspired to defeat eternity

Originally posted by janus77
what I was drawing your attention to was that Galactus could consume magical dimensions, like he consumes hyperspace, like he consumes the universe in general.

if Galactus was inclined to truly fight for something (if say cosmic consonance was at stake) I'm sure he'd at least attempt to do that.

furthermore, this was in Aggamatto's dimension, theoretically Galactus should have been at a disadvantage... all things point to that confrontation as being less than positive for Aggamatto imo.
this thread is about the vishanti as a whole
galactus was only up against 1/3 of the vishanti,and all 3 members are roughly as powerful as each other.

Originally posted by Nihilist
this thread is about the vishanti as a whole
galactus was only up against 1/3 of the vishanti,and all 3 members are roughly as powerful as each other.
yes but you notice I did state 1 or 2 Celestials in my original post.

I suspect Galactus at 'normal' levels is below the average Celestial, so maybe even 2 Celestials would beat the Vishanti.

NO, vishantis are on a level of power bordering beyond abstracts. no way is the celestial race or galactus for that matter winning against them. and hasnt any1 pais any attention to the LT example. i doubt very much whether all the celestials combined cud even try to do anything against LT.

3 ore more would imo be required to defeat the Vishanti in there own Dimension

Originally posted by leonheartmm
NO, vishantis are on a level of power bordering beyond abstracts. no way is the celestial race or galactus for that matter winning against them.
so explain how Galactus alone and not at any peak of power, was stalemating Aggamatto, in his own dimension, without going all out against Aggamatto?

^ur interpretation. if he had significantly damaged agomatto, maybe i wudv accepted it.

Originally posted by janus77
so explain how Galactus alone and not at any peak of power, was stalemating Aggamatto, in his own dimension, without going all out against Aggamatto?

To do Agamotto some level of justification he wasn't going all out either is seemed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
NO, vishantis are on a level of power bordering beyond abstracts.

Temporarily repelling the LT doesn't not put you beyond abstract beings. If the Vishanti threatened LT maybe....

^which is the point. agomotto wud have fd him up if he had. galactus has very weak FEATS. its his purpose that is great.

Originally posted by llagrok
Temporarily repelling the LT doesn't not put you beyond abstract beings. If the Vishanti threatened LT maybe....

sigh, how many beings do you know that can suprise the LT with their power and repel his for an reasonabl amount of time. oh yeah, next to none, he nullified the power of the infinite gauntlett with a finger snap. vishaantis are friggin powerful

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, how many beings do you know that can suprise the LT with their power and repel his for an reasonabl amount of time.

Reed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, how many beings do you know that can suprise the LT with their power and repel his for an reasonabl amount of time. oh yeah, next to none, he nullified the power of the infinite gauntlett with a finger snap. vishaantis are friggin powerful

Apparently the LT isn't what he used to be. Even She-Hulk surprised him :/

It is a great feat though.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^which is the point. agomotto wud have fd him up if he had. galactus has very weak FEATS. its his purpose that is great.

He has weak feats yes but he has some great ones too. And my point in the Agamotto battle was that none of them was taking the confrontation very seriously and they still Stalemated.

Celestials FTW

No one is above Living Tribunal besides his boss, TOAA

It would take at least 3 Celestials to challenge each member of the Vishanti in their realm. At least 3.

Celestials win. Agamotto struggled stalemating Galactus in his own realm.

Scathan solos.

The Vishanti resisted LT for a short period

here it explains the Vishanti have enough power to collapse the Entire Omniverse, and LT interferes

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the celestials all get destroyed

Originally posted by janus77
yes but you notice I did state 1 or 2 Celestials in my original post.

I suspect Galactus at 'normal' levels is below the average Celestial, so maybe even 2 Celestials would beat the Vishanti. average level galactus is above most celestials in a stomp the only a few ever gave him problems solo. the Judge and the Dreamer Tiamut off the top of my head. I'd say a host of celestials ought to do it. Figure 7-8 moderately high powered if its in Vishanti's realm.

Celestials win.

@colosssus... Where in any of your scans does it say destroy the omniverse? I don't see it at all....

Originally posted by rotiart
@colosssus... Where in any of your scans does it say destroy the omniverse? I don't see it at all.... *shrug* it says entire plane of existance

That would refer to 616... Not the entire omniverse...
Which kind of deflates your argument on their level of power

Originally posted by rotiart
That would refer to 616... Not the entire omniverse...
Which kind of deflates your argument on their level of power not really, since slorith was an "omni-verse parasite"

He may have been... But that doesn't mean they could do jack to him... In the scans it says a confrontation between slorioth and the vishanti would wreck our universe.. So the vishanti summoned the living tribunal and asked him to intercede. He did and repelled slorioth with barely an afterthought.