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Didn't Magneto before cut off a mutant from using their powers by blocking off inhibitors to their brain or some crap?

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I say Iceman then. Bobby has shown he's packing some serious power behind all those jokes

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magneto

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Iceman hands down.

I've heard some stuff about Magneto being powered up by cold temperatures or something like that.

What are some new iceman feats other than strange bullcrap?

Originally posted by kgkg
What are some new iceman feats other than strange bullcrap?
He got blown apart by Northstar.

Magneto.

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Magneto would suck the life energy out of Iceman.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
he cant its the ultimate magnetcontrol vs the ultimate icecontrol now, which is the most powerful element?
Magnetism trumps ice and water control. Becuz water and ice have electromagnetic components to them. To which magneto can control.

Iceman is Omega. Magneto isn't.

Therefore, Iceman wins by default. Don't argue that logic!

Originally posted by Accel
Iceman is Omega. Magneto isn't.

Therefore, Iceman wins by default. Don't argue that logic! magneto's feats are way above iceman's

Originally posted by Accel
Don't argue that logic!
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
magneto's feats are way above iceman's

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Originally posted by The-Judge
he cant its the ultimate magnetcontrol vs the ultimate icecontrol now, which is the most powerful element?

Yes little child, he can...

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

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Originally posted by The-Judge
well, that takes time, and phoenix uses fire, its the bottle effect

It sucks out life energy if you cared to read the scan. And let him freeze him. The cold increases magnetism's power.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
magneto is still a human and need to breath. he cant if he is frossen by a ton of ice

Magneto is in no way, shape, or form "human." He gets his shields up; the cold increases his power.

Originally posted by The-Judge
maybe, but he cant do that to iceman... he would be frossen in a half second, and magneto isnt stupid enouh to attack in such harsh ways against a omega

Right.... and Jean "isn't" an Omega. And why exactly wouldn't he attack in such "harsh" ways against Bobby. What, is he trying to protect him or something? Does he not want Bobby to get hurt? Honestly, do you really believe the crap you post?

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Originally posted by The-Judge
bobby isnt of the fireelement, and iceman attacks faster.

This doesn't matter. Erik wasn't sucking out the "fire" like you'd want to believe. He was sucking out Jean's life energy like a sponge. Bobby is just as vulnerable to that as the Phoenix is.

And how can you possibly know Bobby attacks faster? Erik can summon his shields in milliseconds. From there.... BOTTLE EFFECT.

Magneto wins...

LMAO..."the fireelement"

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Originally posted by The-Judge
watch the drawing... watch her fire... its being sucked in. the fire is the force of the phonix forca, aka, LIFE-force

You sir, are an idiot.

Her "fire" isn't her life force. Try again.

Ill get into this later....but guess who I think wins

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Ill get into this later....but guess who I think wins

Magneto.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
when he is sucking the lifeforce of iceman, he would get stabbed by an icestick



He has class 100 durability and strength due the EM energies coursing through his body.

Iceman once impaled Magneto with a giant ice spike. I don't remember what happened exactly after that but it was pretty much Magneto laughing saying that because of his powers of magnetism he could control ice and that his body just metabolized the ice spike and made him stronger.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iceman once impaled Magneto with a giant ice spike. I don't remember what happened exactly after that but it was pretty much Magneto laughing saying that because of his powers of magnetism he could control ice and that his body just metabolized the ice spike and made him stronger.

evillaugh

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Those feats suck. Hercules wears metal. Colossus is metal.

Originally posted by Validus
Those feats suck. Hercules wears metal. Colossus is metal.

He used strength alone Val.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
well, i know when i have lost... magneto wins... you won, batdude

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Rubbish. Any scan of Magneto going to hand to hand with Colossus is highly suspect.

Originally posted by Validus
Rubbish. Any scan of Magneto going to hand to hand with Colossus is highly suspect.

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/492/magcolagain3pg.jpg

I wanna know something. Can magneto have all his molecules go to absolute zero and survive? Mags isnt the only one who has controlled blood. Iceman did so to emma frost. Iceman can exist as water vapor in such an area that while magneto might be able to control said water vapor, he wouldnt know which water vapor is Iceman and which is plain water vapor (as sentinals couldnt even detect his mutant signature).
Iceman doesnt have to go the physical route to beat him (and he would lose if he did).
But for the easiest win? Stop all of Mags molecules

Originally posted by Validus
Rubbish. Any scan of Magneto going to hand to hand with Colossus is highly suspect.
nope since magneto can also increase his phisical strenght

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I wanna know something. Can magneto have all his molecules go to absolute zero and survive? Mags isnt the only one who has controlled blood. Iceman did so to emma frost. Iceman can exist as water vapor in such an area that while magneto might be able to control said water vapor, he wouldnt know which water vapor is Iceman and which is plain water vapor (as sentinals couldnt even detect his mutant signature).
Iceman doesnt have to go the physical route to beat him (and he would lose if he did).
But for the easiest win? Stop all of Mags molecules

Iceman can make it go ALMOST absolute zero.

Oh, and you're post holds about as much merit as me saying Magneto sucks his life force out ie the bottle effect.

magneto increases the gravity so iceman won't be able to move

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iceman once impaled Magneto with a giant ice spike. I don't remember what happened exactly after that but it was pretty much Magneto laughing saying that because of his powers of magnetism he could control ice and that his body just metabolized the ice spike and made him stronger.

This should be an open and shut deal. Magneto wins.

Originally posted by batdude123
Iceman can make it go ALMOST absolute zero.

Oh, and you're post holds about as much merit as me saying Magneto sucks his life force out ie the bottle effect.




Is that SUPPOSED to be an insult? Did you just call your own post rubbish? Because anything Ive said Iceman has done more than once (unlike your life force scan )
Virtually and almost are not the same thing. The scan that we use to determine how cold iceman can go says virtually. Its so close that there isnt a significant difference. Like saying .000000001 is significanly different from .0000000001. Its not that big of a deal. For all intents and purposes? He can stop molecular motion to absolute zero. Besides how is Magneto going to find out where he is? He can be in any part of the water vapor and water vapor is water vapor no matter if Iceman is inhabiting it or not.

Why does it have to be a physical matter (ie Iceman impales him?)
Iceman does the miousture inversion trick and he can do many different things:
A) Stop his molecular motion
B) Create a "iceman" to fight magneto while dehyradting him like storm was doing in your own scan (and iceman can do it MUCH quicker by just ripping his water out)
C) Miousture inversion his head (and how can he defend against that?)
E) Transmute the water in Mags body to gas (just like he transmuted Ice into water)

Originally posted by Blair Wind


Is that SUPPOSED to be an insult? Did you just call your own post rubbish? Because anything Ive said Iceman has done more than once (unlike your life force scan )
Virtually and almost are not the same thing. The scan that we use to determine how cold iceman can go says virtually. Its so close that there isnt a significant difference. Like saying .000000001 is significanly different from .0000000001. Its not that big of a deal. For all intents and purposes? He can stop molecular motion to absolute zero. Besides how is Magneto going to find out where he is? He can be in any part of the water vapor and water vapor is water vapor no matter if Iceman is inhabiting it or not.

So you wanna get rough, huh Blair?

Since Magneto can also control ice, and make the effects of it worth sh*t, what's to debate here? He used it to POWER HIMSELF UP. By your logic, this giant ice spike would've frozen his insides since it's VIRTUALLY absolute zero (Btw, space has also been proclaimed to be virtually absolute zero as well). And yet, Magneto LAUGHED and used it to power himself up.

"Iceman once impaled Magneto with a giant ice spike. I don't remember what happened exactly after that but it was pretty much Magneto laughing saying that because of his powers of magnetism he could control ice and that his body just metabolized the ice spike and made him stronger."

On top of that, Magneto could just suck the life force out of him just as easily as whatever Iceman can do. Or as juggernaut66666 said, reverse the gravity or increase it so that Iceman litterally couldn't do anything, and then.... what for it.... SUCK THE LIFE FORCE OUT OF HIM!!! Yay!!!! clap

Oh, and since apparently he can control Ice, that must mean it's part of the EM spectrum. And guess what? He can perceive the world solely as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy, and sense disruptions alongside magnetic lines of force (which encompass the entire planet).

http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magthrowscolossusoutfromroomwi.jpg

So, he'd know exactly where Iceman would be, and he could plan accordingly. Once he puts those shields up, Bobby is f*cked royally here.

iceman is so outmached here and don't come up with that fake x-men forever feat magneto has tons of ways of beating iceman

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Why does it have to be a physical matter (ie Iceman impales him?)
Iceman does the miousture inversion trick and he can do many different things:
A) Stop his molecular motion
B) Create a "iceman" to fight magneto while dehyradting him like storm was doing in your own scan (and iceman can do it MUCH quicker by just ripping his water out)
C) Miousture inversion his head (and how can he defend against that?)
E) Transmute the water in Mags body to gas (just like he transmuted Ice into water)

A. Yeah, I'd like to see Bobby do that. Especially once Magneto puts those shields up.

B. Magneto could sense which is the real one and attack Bobby.

C. There are dozens upon dozens of things Magneto could do to kill Bobby, while you only have a few.

D. Wow, transmutating ice into water. Not exactly a big step there, Blair. And it wouldn't exactly be called "transmutating" considering ice and water are the same damn chemical. So, there goes your transmutating argument out the window.

Originally posted by batdude123
So you wanna get rough, huh Blair?

Since Magneto can also control ice, and make the effects of it worth sh*t, what's to debate here? He used it to POWER HIMSELF UP. By your logic, this giant ice spike would've frozen his insides since it's VIRTUALLY absolute zero (Btw, space has also been proclaimed to be virtually absolute zero as well). And yet, Magneto LAUGHED and used it to power himself up.

"Iceman once impaled Magneto with a giant ice spike. I don't remember what happened exactly after that but it was pretty much Magneto laughing saying that because of his powers of magnetism he could control ice and that his body just metabolized the ice spike and made him stronger."

On top of that, Magneto could just suck the life force out of him just as easily as whatever Iceman can do. Or as juggernaut66666 said, reverse the gravity or increase it so that Iceman litterally couldn't do anything, and then.... what for it.... SUCK THE LIFE FORCE OUT OF HIM!!! Yay!!!! clap

Oh, and since apparently he can control Ice, that must mean it's part of the EM spectrum. And guess what? He can perceive the world solely as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy, and sense disruptions alongside magnetic lines of force (which encompass the entire planet).

http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magthrowscolossusoutfromroomwi.jpg

So, he'd know exactly where Iceman would be, and he could plan accordingly. Once he puts those shields up, Bobby is f*cked royally here.

Rough? You havent seen anything yet
where are you getting this idea of pure "ice"? Look at my posts again. Read what I said. Magneto can control ice (and I of course would like to see this scan that your basing so much of it on) but can he control molecules in the way that Iceman can? The actual movement of them? oh and look at this again:
Why does it have to be a physical matter (ie Iceman impales him?)
Iceman does the miousture inversion trick and he can do many different things:
A) Stop his molecular motion
B) Create a "iceman" to fight magneto while dehydrating him like storm was doing in YOUR OWN scan (and iceman can do it MUCH quicker by just ripping his water out)
C) Miousture inversion his head (and how can he defend against that?)
E) Transmute the water in Mags body to gas (just like he transmuted Ice into water) How does he defend against this??

now lets think of this logically, again. You say Magneto would be able to tell where Iceman is because he can "see" water vapor. Listen to what you just said. Water vapor is ALREADY present in the air. Its ALL around us. Iceman can turn himself, and others to water vapor. Its not DIFFERENT from water vapor. Its all the same. No one could tell where icemans water vapor is compared to.......water vapor.
(oh and space? Iceman is king in terms of ice powers. He froze what space could not: Ie a Celestial ship and ALL OF ITS MOLECULES (actualy wording, everything it IS). You really think that Iceman cant go colder than space?)

btw by in uncanny x-men comics when polaris tried to kill bobby tried to freeze polaris who easily controlled bobby iceblast and said even in water there are molecules she can manipulate magneto>>>>>>polaris

Originally posted by batdude123
A. Yeah, I'd like to see Bobby do that. Especially once Magneto puts those shields up.

B. Magneto could sense which is the real one and attack Bobby.

C. There are dozens upon dozens of things Magneto could do to kill Bobby, while you only have a few.

D. Wow, transmutating ice into water. Not exactly a big step there, Blair. And it wouldn't exactly be called "transmutating" considering ice and water are the same damn chemical. So, there goes your transmutating argument out the window.

A) His shields? What do shields have to do with anything? He attacks past it. Or his body. Besides the point.

B) Real one? Icemans in the air somewhere...he can create ice dupes to fight others. He rips his water out. Nuff said

C) Cant defend against it can you?

D) Bah you know what I mean....Iceman can control gas, water, and ice. How does Mags defend against having his own water supply (which is like what 70% of the human body) suddeny turn to water vapor?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
btw by in uncanny x-men comics when polaris tried to kill bobby tried to freeze polaris who easily controlled bobby iceblast and said even in water there are molecules she can manipulate magneto>>>>>>polaris

Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Rough? You havent seen anything yet
where are you getting this idea of pure "ice"? Look at my posts again. Read what I said. Magneto can control ice (and I of course would like to see this scan that your basing so much of it on) but can he control molecules in the way that Iceman can? The actual movement of them? oh and look at this again:
Why does it have to be a physical matter (ie Iceman impales him?)
Iceman does the miousture inversion trick and he can do many different things:
A) Stop his molecular motion
B) Create a "iceman" to fight magneto while dehydrating him like storm was doing in YOUR OWN scan (and iceman can do it MUCH quicker by just ripping his water out)
C) Miousture inversion his head (and how can he defend against that?)
E) Transmute the water in Mags body to gas (just like he transmuted Ice into water) How does he defend against this??

now lets think of this logically, again. You say Magneto would be able to tell where Iceman is because he can "see" water vapor. Listen to what you just said. Water vapor is ALREADY present in the air. Its ALL around us. Iceman can turn himself, and others to water vapor. Its not DIFFERENT from water vapor. Its all the same. No one could tell where icemans water vapor is compared to.......water vapor.
(oh and space? Iceman is king in terms of ice powers. He froze what space could not: Ie a Celestial ship and ALL OF ITS MOLECULES (actualy wording, everything it IS). You really think that Iceman cant go colder than space?)
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Originally posted by Blair Wind
Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again
i know he has more abilities like iceblast but since iceman is made of ice magneto can do what ever he desires to hm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
now lets think of this logically, again. You say Magneto would be able to tell where Iceman is because he can "see" water vapor. Listen to what you just said. Water vapor is ALREADY present in the air. Its ALL around us. Iceman can turn himself, and others to water vapor. Its not DIFFERENT from water vapor. Its all the same. No one could tell where icemans water vapor is compared to.......water vapor.
(oh and space? Iceman is king in terms of ice powers. He froze what space could not: Ie a Celestial ship and ALL OF ITS MOLECULES (actualy wording, everything it IS). You really think that Iceman cant go colder than space?)

Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Pish Posh. Who the hell has said hes gonna use an ice blast? Of course he would lose that way. Iceman has more options than just the "iceblast"
Read what I said again

And Magneto is more than one little power as well.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
C) Cant defend against it can you?

Water vapor has molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. Null point. That better?

Originally posted by batdude123
Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here.


You do know your making no sense right? Bobby is an elemental. Omega mutant elemental to be more precise. Therefore he CAN turn to PURE ice, water, or water vapor. Please show me one more scan of Magneto ever stealing someones life force. Please.
Damn you use one word wrong and someone jumps at you. Doesnt matter. Ive listed various ways as to how Iceman could win, and all your defenses for him where a bit ambigious. Oh and Bobby can MAKE it that cold. Doesnt mean when he is ice he becomes that cold
Gravity? What does gravity have to do with it? Iceman "teleports" to more water vapor. Tell me HOW does Magneto know where Iceman is coming from and HOW Magneto can stop his water turning to gas, or is head?

Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.
magneto can exist as pure enrgy aswell

Originally posted by batdude123
Water vapor has molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. Null point. That better?

Show me where Mags can do that.

Besides the point. How can he locate Iceman in that form?

and HS6 is right. What is he going to do prey tell?

Originally posted by Validus
Rubbish. Any scan of Magneto going to hand to hand with Colossus is highly suspect.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
magneto can exist as pure enrgy aswell

First time I've heard that one.

Scans?

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
magneto can exist as pure enrgy aswell

Yea? Show me in 616 cannon where Magneto can do that. Ill admit to being wrong if you can show me. Not a what if, or a "future" timeline.

i don't have scans only read it in his bios

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Iceman could occupy the water vapor in Magneto's own body. I fail to see what Mags is going to do to combat that.

Water and ice have electrons and magneto can control all electrons and protons. He will have complete control over his own body's water. Iceman isn't going to usurp the will of magneto. Magneto can ball iceman up in a nice tight force field and send him str8 into the sun. let's see bobby put that out.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
i don't have scans only read it in his bios

Well, then it has no place in this debate, does it?

Ive heard it was only in a what if. Therefore not valid for this debate.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Water and ice have electrons and magneto can control all electrons and protens. He will have complete control over his own body's water. Iceman isn't going to usurp the will of magneto. Magneto can ball iceman up in a nice tight force field and send him str8 into the sun. let's see bobby put that out.

Too bad a consciousness doesn't have electrons or protons. There goes that theory.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
You do know your making no sense right? Bobby is an elemental. Omega mutant elemental to be more precise. Therefore he CAN turn to PURE ice, water, or water vapor. Please show me one more scan of Magneto ever stealing someones life force. Please.
Damn you use one word wrong and someone jumps at you. Doesnt matter. Ive listed various ways as to how Iceman could win, and all your defenses for him where a bit ambigious. Oh and Bobby can MAKE it that cold. Doesnt mean when he is ice he becomes that cold
Gravity? What does gravity have to do with it? Iceman "teleports" to more water vapor. Tell me HOW does Magneto know where Iceman is coming from and HOW Magneto can stop his water turning to gas, or is head?

All this "he's an Omega Mutant, so he automatically wins" bullshit is getting a little tiring here at KMC. Stating he's an Omega in my opinion is a cop out answer.

Stealing life energy? Um.... kay?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

And you still haven't come up with a way for Bobby to defend against this.

Alright alright, sorry for the transmutating comment.

Bobby can't make it absolute zero. Plain and simple. Ice and water can be manipulated by Mags. Magneto used Bobby's attack to POWER himself up. Why's that hard to understand? Obviously Bobby can be manipulated by Magneto's powers. So yes, he can sense where Bobby is. And Magneto can create sentient beings out of EM energy as well. It goes both ways. Water can be controlled by Magneto as well, just like it can with Bobby. The difference? Magneto has thousands of other powers at his disposal.

And Magneto's shields can't be manipulated on the inside. He controls what goes on in there. So at best, Bobby's powers get deflected, or power Magneto up, while he's getting his life energy drained.

Originally posted by batdude123
Bobby is alive, isn't he? He isn't pure water vapor or ice. He is alive. Therefore, he can have his lifefoce sucked out, and Magneto can sense where he is. Plain and simple. Water and ice have molecules that can be manipulated by Magneto. He was POWERED up by Bobby's attack. The cold is not going to hurt him. And Iceman can't transmutate. To transmutate means to convert one chemical into another. Turning ice into water isn't transmutating. THEY'RE THE SAME CHEMICAL. crylaugh Oh, and Magneto can also create a sentient being of EM energy to combat for him as well. And the space comment was just a word of association. Virtually absolute zero doesn't mean it is absolute zero. Other wise, Bobby wouldn't even be able to move himself at all. He would LACK kinetic movement in his body. Nothing in the universe can happen without kinetic movement. And gravity could also be taken over by Magneto, so Bobby would be helpless. Magneto wins here.


For Claritys sake,

he wasnt wrong by using the word Transmutate, well, potentially wasnt wrong.

SCIENTIFFICLY, you are correct. it is, "to convert one element into another by bombarding it with alpha particles or neutrons"

But to transmutate can also mean to transform in form or apperance IE Solid to liquid, gas. etc.

so your both right

Originally posted by batdude123
All this "he's an Omega Mutant, so he automatically wins" bullshit is getting a little tiring here at KMC. Stating he's an Omega in my opinion is a cop out answer.

Stealing life energy? Um.... kay?

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

And you still haven't come up with a way for Bobby to defend against this.

Alright alright, sorry for the transmutating comment.

Bobby can't make it absolute zero. Plain and simple. Ice and water can be manipulated by Mags. Magneto used Bobby's attack to POWER himself up. Why's that hard to understand? Obviously Bobby can be manipulated by Magneto's powers. So yes, he can sense where Bobby is. And Magneto can create sentient beings out of EM energy as well. It goes both ways. Water can be controlled by Magneto as well, just like it can with Bobby. The difference? Magneto has thousands of other powers at his disposal.

And Magneto's shields can't be manipulated on the inside. He controls what goes on in there. So at best, Bobby's powers get deflected, or power Magneto up, while he's getting his life energy drained.

No show me one BESIDES that Phoenix life force scan? Ive seen it enough times. Please

Show me a scan of Magneto actually controlling bobby since he is ice. Or that scan your obsessing over that is just pure hearsay. Get the scan.

He can sense Bobbys consciousness?? Please, how is going to differentiate between water vapor.............and water vapor?
Thats he he defends. Bobby wont let him find him.

Mags can control what happens beyond the shield? So if say Spartan could teleport a peice of wood inside the shield, it wouldnt happen because? He cant control what happens if it just bypasses the shield itself. So yet again he can stop all his molecular motion. Die by turning his water into gas, or his head into water. Iceman wins

Another thing, in that scan of phoenix, phoenix was weakened in that;;;, im not saying Magneto COULDENT do the same to iceman, but Iceman IS a very powerful mutant with complete mastery over his own element.

Whats to say magneto wouldent struggle trying rip his life force and or manipulate iceman? You have to factor in Iceman being an omega mutant into that formula, because it would be the difference between iceman getting played with and iceman remaining firm

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No show me one BESIDES that Phoenix life force scan? Ive seen it enough times. Please

Show me a scan of Magneto actually controlling bobby since he is ice. Or that scan your obsessing over that is just pure hearsay. Get the scan.

He can sense Bobbys consciousness?? Please, how is going to differentiate between water vapor.............and water vapor?
Thats he he defends. Bobby wont let him find him.

Mags can control what happens beyond the shield? So if say Spartan could teleport a peice of wood inside the shield, it wouldnt happen because? He cant control what happens if it just bypasses the shield itself. So yet again he can stop all his molecular motion. Die by turning his water into gas, or his head into water. Iceman wins

I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield.

Magneto wins.

Originally posted by batdude123
I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield.

Magneto wins.

He did it once.....once isnt good enough man

and umm......when did it show the person actually.....teleporting?

Originally posted by batdude123
I show a scan proving what I say, and what do I get? Blair being a buttmunch. If he can do that to the Phoenix, then he can do it to Bobby... He obviously can do it, you just can't defend against it.... evillaugh

Srank has the scans...

Actually, good try, but no. The shield he created around his house can even stop teleporters from entering... yeah, he's that damn good.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg

So Bobby ain't doing jack inside Magneto's shield.

Magneto wins.

I understand what your saying and its a good point, but i mean, the scan doesnt entirely proove that he could absolutely do it to magneto. She even said herself in the scan that she needs more energy, and that magneto saw her weakness, which enabled him to do such. Its not as impersseive as say, an anus wielding life beating pheonix. Not to say it was a lackluster feat. My point is, She was weak in that state, thus makeing it very questionable wether or not he could do the same to Iceman, or even manipulate him.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
She was weak in that state, thus makeing it very questionable wether or not he could do the same to Iceman, or even manipulate him.

He did it before, and she was weak after combatting Erik.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He did it once.....once isnt good enough man

and umm......when did it show the person actually.....teleporting?

Btw, I forgot to mention the simple fact that Magneto could send Bobby to another dimension for the BFR win via a wormhole. (X-Men: The End and Excalibur Vol. 3) Iceman=bye bye

Originally posted by batdude123
He did it before, and she was weak after combatting Erik.

But he weakened her through combat or what have you, and THEN sucked her life force right? (im not being smart if it sounds that way lol, i am just trying to ensure my memory is not faulty)

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
But he weakened her through combat or what have you, and THEN sucked her life force right? (im not being smart if it sounds that way lol, i am just trying to ensure my memory is not faulty)

Something like that, but a hell of a feat nonetheless. And it's not like Bobby is gonna win in .5 seconds (if he does win). Magneto has used Bobby's ice to power himself up. Ice can be controlled by Erik.

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Ill be back in a sec

Originally posted by batdude123
Something like that, but a hell of a feat nonetheless. And it's not like Bobby is gonna win in .5 seconds (if he does win). Magneto has used Bobby's ice to power himself up. Ice can be controlled by Erik.

I see, yes a good feat none the less. I just dont think he could do it right off the bat, Perhaps eventually though as he did to phoenix. The only problem im seeing is sure, Magneto can control Ice to some degree, becuase some of what ice/water is composed of is in the em spectrum. But i seriously doubt he could do what iceman could do withinn his own range and better, let alone overpower Icemans own manipulation.

I could see it going either way, although i think Mags has more ways to kill iceman than iceman does mags. As far as raw power goes though, i duno.. hard to say. I mean, iceman is an omega mutant. BUT dont get me wrong, i am by no means saying that is merit for an iceman win

im just saying, when you look at all the other omega mutant feats and put them in perspective with iceman, (Vulcan, Cable, to name a few) they are all rediculous.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I see, yes a good feat none the less. I just dont think he could do it right off the bat, Perhaps eventually though as he did to phoenix. The only problem im seeing is sure, Magneto can control Ice to some degree, becuase some of what ice/water is composed of is in the em spectrum. But i seriously doubt he could do what iceman could do withinn his own range and better, let alone overpower Icemans own manipulation.

I could see it going either way, although i think Mags has more ways to kill iceman than iceman does mags. As far as raw power goes though, i duno.. hard to say. I mean, iceman is an omega mutant. BUT dont get me wrong, i am by no means saying that is merit for an iceman win

im just saying, when you look at all the other omega mutant feats and put them in perspective with iceman, (Vulcan, Cable, to name a few) they are all rediculous.

Oh I agree that he can't control ice as well as Iceman. That'd be retarded of me to say. However, the effects of it have proved to by null. As a matter of fact, he can be powered up by it.

Fair enough. It'd be a good battle.

And did you say something about Cable?

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Originally posted by batdude123
Oh I agree that he can't control ice as well as Iceman. That'd be retarded of me to say. However, the effects of it have proved to by null. As a matter of fact, he can be powered up by it.

Fair enough. It'd be a good battle.

And did you say something about Cable?

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I agree, i think it would be a good battle, i just dont know as much about iceman as i do about magneto though, so im not entirely sure from his side. Im almost inclined to say magneto due to his incredible defenses, but i cant make a firm descision becuase of my iceman ignorance
ice-ignorance.
lol


as for the last part of your post lol

I ment Cable circa Cable & Deadpool 7-11? i think those are the issues. I think that cable would kill magneto or put up an extremely good fight. but i could be wrong. Maybe someone shuold make that thread>?

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Somebody tampering with MAGNETO'S blood. Yeah, good luck with that one.

Celestial Ship>Anything Magneto has ever done.Bobby>Celestial ship.Bobby>Magneto.

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Originally posted by superbatman86
Celestial Ship>Anything Magneto has ever done.Bobby>Celestial ship.Bobby>Magneto.

Phoenix>Bobby

Magneto>Phoenix

Magneto>Bobby

ABC logic SUCKS.

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Originally posted by The-Judge
magneto is overrated... all those incredible feats he do are used once, and maybe there is a reason henever uses it again?? maybe theyre hard, slow or nearly impossible to pull out? its not like just warps his opponents to other dimension in fights



Forum rules, buddy.

Originally posted by The-Judge
magneto is overrated... all those incredible feats he do are used once, and maybe there is a reason henever uses it again?? maybe theyre hard, slow or nearly impossible to pull out? its not like just warps his opponents to other dimension in fights

your sig is amaizng

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
your sig is amaizng

Metal over ice... for now.

Originally posted by batdude123


hahahahahaha

Originally posted by The-Judge
magneto is overrated... all those incredible feats he do are used once, and maybe there is a reason henever uses it again?? maybe theyre hard, slow or nearly impossible to pull out? its not like just warps his opponents to other dimension in fights No the reason is "How the hell do you stop a guy that turns off your brain function, and rips you apart as soon as the fight starts." He has to job or theres no book.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
No the reason is "How the hell do you stop a guy that turns off your brain function, and rips you apart as soon as the fight starts." He has to job or theres no book.

Bingo.

The only prayer bobby has in this fight is with his control over water and that fact his body is ice and can become water it would work very differently then most other mutants.

Originally posted by breeze85
Metal over ice... for now.

Ice freezes metal and shatters it. Iceman wins.

ha! I knew I WAS right. (but I didnt say anything about it) Theres a reason Magneto can block out teleporters, and I knew I had read it somewhere before. Teleporters (like nightcrawler here) teleport along the magnetic lines.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/A-F33-09.jpg
Therefore magneto can block them, meaning that well he CANT block someones POWERS (not teleporting) to simply bypass them and create the effect PAST the shields since there powers do not have to follow the magnetic lines

Originally posted by batdude123
Phoenix>Bobby

Magneto>Phoenix

Magneto>Bobby

ABC logic SUCKS.

Oh come on

Im sorry but Mags killing Phoniex was ridiculous.

A stroke kills her?!?!

Originally posted by batdude123
Forum rules, buddy. Forum rules dictate he's powerless AFAIK.

Demigawd did a much better job of using the Magneto who only existed for a few issues of Excalibur and did things no other Magneto has shown.

Shi'ar have technology that can be used to block teleporters too. I don't think that would render the inside invulnerable to matter manipulation.

Magneto. force field renders any of Bobby's attacks useless

Originally posted by batdude123
Phoenix>Bobby

Magneto>Phoenix

Magneto>Bobby

ABC logic SUCKS. Oblivion>Pheonix
Oblivion>Magneto
Bobby>Oblivion
Bobby>Magneto

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Shi'ar have technology that can be used to block teleporters too. I don't think that would render the inside invulnerable to matter manipulation.


Liking the new sig X

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Liking the new sig X Hmm I think it might need a border of some sort.

I'm going to say Iceman wins... just to annoy batdude.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Forum rules dictate he's powerless AFAIK.

Demigawd did a much better job of using the Magneto who only existed for a few issues of Excalibur and did things no other Magneto has shown.

Shi'ar have technology that can be used to block teleporters too. I don't think that would render the inside invulnerable to matter manipulation.

I'm not Demigawd DAMMIT!!!! I don't debate like him, I'm not a Magneto fanboy!!! Get off me!!!!

Originally posted by Grimm22
Oh come on

Im sorry but Mags killing Phoniex was ridiculous.

A stroke kills her?!?!

That was Xorneto, n00b.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm I think it might need a border of some sort.

I'm going to say Iceman wins... just to annoy batdude.

You suck. disgust

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not Demigawd DAMMIT!!!! I don't debate like him, I'm not a Magneto fanboy!!! Get off me!!!!

Originally posted by Blair Wind


Shaddup!!! disgust nutkick

Originally posted by Blair Wind
ha! I knew I WAS right. (but I didnt say anything about it) Theres a reason Magneto can block out teleporters, and I knew I had read it somewhere before. Teleporters (like nightcrawler here) teleport along the magnetic lines.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/A-F33-09.jpg
Therefore magneto can block them, meaning that well he CANT block someones POWERS (not teleporting) to simply bypass them and create the effect PAST the shields since there powers do not have to follow the magnetic lines


Iceman wins. Magnetos water turns into vapor, while all the while trying to search for iceman in all the water vapor in the earth.....which is alot....and since you cant tell the difference between iceman water molecules and.....water molecules its impossible.

Originally posted by batdude123
That was Xorneto, n00b.

Thats not how Morrison wrote it

Thats just a lame marvel copout

Originally posted by Blair Wind


Iceman wins. Magnetos water turns into vapor, while all the while trying to search for iceman in all the water vapor in the earth.....which is alot....and since you cant tell the difference between iceman water molecules and.....water molecules its impossible.

Magneto simply sends him to another dimension or sucks the life energy out of him.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Thats not how Morrison wrote it

Thats just a lame marvel copout

I wasn't even talking about that incident when I posted about Magneto beating the Phoenix.

Xorneto was later decapitated by Wolverine. WOLVERINE DAMMIT!!!

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto simply sends him to another dimension or sucks the life energy out of him. And then he pulls the solar energy out of Superman wherever he is, without any knowlegde of where he is, no matter how fast Superman is moving, just by imagining it, all while blocking out the sun.Originally posted by batdude123
I wasn't even talking about that incident when I posted about Magneto beating the Phoenix.

Xorneto was later decapitated by Wolverine. WOLVERINE DAMMIT!!! The finishing blow in Eve of Destruction was Wolverine stabbing Magneto.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And then he pulls the solar energy out of Superman wherever he is, without any knowlegde of where he is, no matter how fast Superman is moving, just by imagining it, all while blocking out the sun.

tohslaugh I'm not Demigawd...

however, theoretically he DOES have the potential...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The finishing blow in Eve of Destruction was Wolverine stabbing Magneto.

The X-Men set him up didn't they?

Originally posted by batdude123
tohslaugh I'm not Demigawd...

however, theoretically he DOES have the potential... Then why are you rambling on about sending people to other dimensions? And Magneto beating "Phoenix".

Besides we already settled on you being a blurry and somewhat faded coffee-stained sticker-photo of him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then why are you rambling on about sending people to other dimensions? And Magneto beating "Phoenix".

Besides we already settled on you being a blurry and somewhat faded coffee-stained sticker-photo of him.

Because he CAN do it.

Maybe DG was right about a lot of things...

Originally posted by batdude123
Because he CAN do it.

Maybe DG was right about a lot of things... Which dimensions are you referring to? Dormammu's? Shuma-Gorath's? Otherworld?

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Originally posted by The-Judge
magneto cant attack and have his shields up at the same time...

You're a moron.

lol, magneto CAN attack with his shields up

Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto simply sends him to another dimension or sucks the life energy out of him.

wasnt magneto powered up by scarlet witch? besides in the TIME it takes him to create a wormhole, iceman can turn his water to gas. Or rip all the water from his body. Or turn his head into water vapor.....all simple quick attacks.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
wasnt magneto powered up by scarlet witch? besides in the TIME it takes him to create a wormhole, iceman can turn his water to gas. Or rip all the water from his body. Or turn his head into water vapor.....all simple quick attacks.

No, not in X-Men: The End and Excalibur Vol. 3.

And Magneto can also create stuff from the atoms in the air. Atomic control. He has complete control over atoms and shit. Yeah, he's that damn good...

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He also has a telepathic ability.

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Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree...

Originally posted by batdude123
No, not in X-Men: The End and Excalibur Vol. 3.

And Magneto can also create stuff from the atoms in the air. Atomic control. He has complete control over atoms and shit. Yeah, he's that damn good...

http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00413fg2.jpg
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He also has a telepathic ability.

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Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree...


A) He made a damn comb. Straining. Iceman has complete control over his element at a atomic level and can do it quickly and from many different ways. Iceman has the speed advantage in killing him, and the tactical one considering that Magneto is a human (and we all know how much water we all carry around )

B) Xavier helped him. Mute point

Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) He made a damn comb. Straining. Iceman has complete control over his element at a atomic level and can do it quickly and from many different ways. Iceman has the speed advantage in killing him, and the tactical one considering that Magneto is a human (and we all know how much water we all carry around )

B) Xavier helped him. Mute point

A) I'm not suggesting he's going to transmutate Magneto or anything. Simply proving that they both have atomic control. Magneto can affect stuff on a molecular level just as easily as Iceman.

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2610/magtakesonplasticandceramic7lu.jpg

B) That's not even the point. He HAS a telepathic ability close to Charles' level.

Agree to disagree.... bastard.

Originally posted by batdude123
A) I'm not suggesting he's going to transmutate Magneto or anything. Simply proving that they both have atomic control. Magneto can affect stuff on a molecular level just as easily as Iceman.

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2610/magtakesonplasticandceramic7lu.jpg

B) That's not even the point. He HAS a telepathic ability close to Charles' level.

Agree to disagree.... bastard.

A) Not as easily as Iceman. Icemans power is to stop all motion at a molecular level. Or move it around (ripping water from people). Magnetos powers extend to that, but take much more time to actually be effective. For the first time: Iceman speedblitzes Magneto



B) But he cant actually USE those powers. Invalid point. Non debatable.

I agree to nothing......bastard

Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) Not as easily as Iceman. Icemans power is to stop all motion at a molecular level. Or move it around (ripping water from people). Magnetos powers extend to that, but take much more time to actually be effective. For the first time: Iceman speedblitzes Magneto



B) But he cant actually USE those powers. Invalid point. Non debatable.

I agree to nothing......bastard

A) What you're forgetting is that everything emits EM energy, and as such, Magneto can tamper with it. Even Iceman. He either molecular effects Iceman, sucks his energy out, or sends him to another dimension.

BOOBY ain't speedlbitzing Erik!!!

B) Yes he can. He's used Cerebro before.

Yes you do... bastard.

Originally posted by batdude123
A) What you're forgetting is that everything emits EM energy, and as such, Magneto can tamper with it. Even Iceman. He either molecular effects Iceman, sucks his energy out, or sends him to another dimension.

BOOBY ain't speedlbitzing Erik!!!

B) Yes he can. He's used Cerebro before.

Yes you do... bastard.

A) Icemans molecular control over his own body trumps magnetos
Plus Iceman doesnt need a body and can transfer his consciousness to another place (and Magneto would know WHERE Iceman is) while he has his "iceman" battle for him Bobbys control over water is greater than Magnetos extended powers

B) And when has he used those powers offensively WITHOUT outside help?? (cerebro, Xavier)

Can it......bastard

Originally posted by Blair Wind
A) Icemans molecular control over his own body trumps magnetos
Plus Iceman doesnt need a body and can transfer his consciousness to another place (and Magneto would know WHERE Iceman is) while he has his "iceman" battle for him Bobbys control over water is greater than Magnetos extended powers

B) And when has he used those powers offensively WITHOUT outside help?? (cerebro, Xavier)

Can it......bastard

A) No. The day Iceman affects water like Magneto affects electromagnetism on a MULTI-planet scale, then I'll agree with you.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00116xz8.jpg

Besides, Magneto has Iceman's powers and WAY more. Don't give me the Omega mutant crap either.

B) You have to have telepathy in order to use Cerebro in the first place.

Agree to disagree damn you!!!

Meh. Magneto is overrated on these boards. Iceman FTW!

Originally posted by batdude123
A) No. The day Iceman affects water like Magneto affects electromagnetism on a MULTI-planet scale, then I'll agree with you.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=secretwars00116xz8.jpg

Besides, Magneto has Iceman's powers and WAY more. Don't give me the Omega mutant crap either.

B) You have to have telepathy in order to use Cerebro in the first place.

Agree to disagree damn you!!!


A) Icemans control over matter effected a CELESTIAL SHIP. Froze everything on it.

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What was that scan you showed supposed to prove? That he can control magnetic waves Your overextrapolating what he did in that scan

Iceman is Omega. Therefore he has no limits

B) So? We KNOW he has telepathy, but he CANT use it without outside help

C) How is Magneto going to detect iceman? When he is in his water vapor form? Hes just a consicsouiness in water vapor

Sentinals "killed him"
evaporated him (as the scans above stated) and could find no trace of his mutant signature
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake2yu.jpg

and yet:
(after Juggs comes in a kills a few)
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D) How can magneto keep from having iceman rip his water out?
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman20rs.jpg
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E) Besides he can miousture inversion others (AoA, but Icemans done more than AoA has already)
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemanaoa0wm.jpg
Who says he cant just turn his head into water vapor?
or turn the water he does have into gas? Since he controls water molecules in all three states
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmutesicetowater2my.jpg

or just freezing it all:
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenn41p143oa.jpg
Meaning that Magneto wouldnt even have time to "power up from it"
ALSO where is this scan of Iceman powering up Magneto? If it DID happen, why couldnt he power magneto up so much that he couldnt hold all the energy in? Ala Cyclops to Bishop?

Iceman is more than just your snowball throwing idiot these days
Therefore I agree to non of your nonsense

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Well that could happen too.....including his insides