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Current versions

'07 baby

Current versions, either one of team 2 would solo team 1.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Current versions, either one of team 2 would solo team 1.

Cosigned

Originally posted by JediSamuraiMRB


Current versions

'07 baby

current versions of both teams?

if so lt&spectre ftw

LT or Spectre FTW

Live in the present

Good thread, Jedi

Originally posted by guy222
LT or Spectre FTW

Live in the present

Good thread, Jedi
Are you implying that Pre-retcon threads are bad?

And this is a terrible thread by the way. Spite in team 2's favor.

Did I say that

Originally posted by Air Legend
Are you implying that Pre-retcon threads are bad?

And this is a terrible thread by the way. Spite in team 2's favor.

Now you try and pick a fight with Guy? No one messes with our Guy. I should report you.

Thanks, Nvr

People try that all the time. It doesn't faze me

Originally posted by guy222
Thanks, Nvr

People try that all the time. It doesn't faze me

No Prop. He'll keep bashing his way right into a perma ban.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now you try and pick a fight with Guy? No one messes with our Guy. I should report you.
co signed,guys THE MAN

Thanks Guys

Friends forever

LT and Spectre would beat the depowered versions of the Beyonder and Molecule Man, but Pre-Retcon versions would reck the Tribunal and Spectre.

Originally posted by Photon009
LT and Spectre would beat the depowered versions of the Beyonder and Molecule Man, but Pre-Retcon versions would reck the Tribunal and Spectre.

The Spectre has on panel been shown to negate the combined power of the UN, The IG, The Oan Battery, among other items. He's also been shown to be given Infinite power by the word himself. THE LT is currently secondly only to God. And Unless God all of a sudden depowers the LT just becuz the mighty preretconned brothers show up, The LT still wins.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Spectre has on panel been shown to negate the combined power of the UN, The IG, The Oan Battery, among other items. He's also been shown to be given Infinite power by the word himself. THE LT is currently secondly only to God. And Unless God all of a sudden depowers the LT just becuz the mighty preretconned brothers show up, The LT still wins.

When did the Spectre negate the IG and UN?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
When did the Spectre negate the IG and UN?

IN JLA AVENGERS. The gamesmaster used those items to trap krona, who then turned the power back around and somehow took it over, it was the spectre who came and just easily seperated the universes that wwhere joined by and held together by the power of those items plus 10 others.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IN JLA AVENGERS. The gamesmaster used those items to trap krona, who then turned the power back around and somehow took it over, it was the spectre who came and just easily seperated the universes that wwhere joined by and held together by the power of those items plus 10 others.

So we are using crossovers as canon now?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IN JLA AVENGERS. The gamesmaster used those items to trap krona, who then turned the power back around and somehow took it over, it was the spectre who came and just easily seperated the universes that wwhere joined by and held together by the power of those items plus 10 others.

It was Krona who was ****ing with the the universes. It had nothing to do with the Items. Plus, the IG didnt even work in the DC universe, which is where it was. All Spectre did was separate the worlds who were being combined.

Originally posted by Photon009
It was Krona who was ****ing with the the universes. It had nothing to do with the Items. Plus, the IG didnt even work in the DC universe, which is where it was. All Spectre did was separate the worlds who were being combined.

You obviously didn't read the book. The gamesmaster's plan was to use those twelve items of power to trap Krona between the universes. Krona twisted the power and combined the universes. Please try to read with understanding. You hate on DC so much that you just have become kinda hard to actually have a real debate with.

Originally posted by guy222
Did I say that
No you implied it.

And this is a terrible thread by the way. Spite in team 2's favor.

Originally posted by Air Legend
No you implied it.

And this is a terrible thread by the way. Spite in team 2's favor.

So now he's not allowed to imply things ?

Do I need to get pr in here ?

You're an a _ _ _ _ by the way.

Originally posted by Faceman
So now he's not allowed to imply things ?

Do I need to get pr in here ?

You're an a _ _ _ _ by the way.
When did I say he's not allowed to imply things.
Get pr in here? And what will he do? Or what can he do? I didn't bash anyone and wtf smilies are legal if you didn't know. GTFO.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So we are using crossovers as canon now? Is this particular crossover canon? I thought it was mentioned that in a futrue dc book but not in a marvel book. Im asking is all and just going by what I have heard but have never really known or seen any scans verifying this.

Who wins, Quan

Originally posted by Photon009
It was Krona who was ****ing with the the universes. It had nothing to do with the Items. Plus, the IG didnt even work in the DC universe, which is where it was. All Spectre did was separate the worlds who were being combined.



It's true, the merger was never held by the items,
but by Krona tech.

Still, that company-crossover garbage should be ignored friends.

By those standards,
Roma can erase DC,
Marvel is just a Multiverse,
Hawkeye & Flash > Krona

Originally posted by guy222
Who wins, Quan Hey guy since this isnt classic MM or the classic Beyonder I think team two wins this for sure.

Oh yeah in a stomp. Lt solos and doesnt need the spectre.

Originally posted by Mr Master


It's true, the merger was never held by the items,
but by Krona tech.

Still, that company-crossover garbage should be ignored friends.

By those standards,
Roma can erase DC,
Marvel is just a Multiverse,
Hawkeye & Flash > Krona It still pisses me off that Supes knocked out Thor. I loathe Superman. Is this canon to both companies,just one, or neither Mr Master.

Didn't Supes use Thor's Hammer and Cap's shield in that silly issue

Originally posted by guy222
Didn't Supes use Thor's Hammer and Cap's shield in that silly issue Yes...it was silly then hawkeyes arrow saved the day. It got ridiculous.

Hawkeye's aarow>Krona

So much for punking Galactus, then getting punked

Originally posted by quanchi112
It still pisses me off that Supes knocked out Thor. I loathe Superman.
Is this canon to both companies,just one, or neither Mr Master.

The cosmological make-up is completely F'd up in that arc,
so it shouldn't be canon.

Subtle allusions have been made in a bio or two concerning the individual heroes,
with no names of course, how can it be canon if they can't mention names?
Anyways
absolutely nothing has been referenced concerning the Cosmic event that took place.

No mention in any Eternity or Infinity bio.
No mention in any of the two sublty alluded hero bios,
nothing in the Cosmic Cube, or IG bios,
nothing.

Is it canon?

Only if Roma can erase DC with the flick of a switch.
Otherwise it's Not canon.

My friend, are u taking team 1 or 2

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now you try and pick a fight with Guy? No one messes with our Guy. I should report you. Considering he didn't actually break a rule, it would be pointless.

Team 2 wins, retarded ass thread.

Originally posted by guy222
My friend, are u taking team 1 or 2

Team 2 ... this is spitish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The cosmological make-up is completely F'd up in that arc,
so it shouldn't be canon.

Subtle allusions have been made in a bio or two concerning the individual heroes,
with no names of course, how can it be canon if they can't mention names?
Anyways
absolutely nothing has been referenced concerning the Cosmic event that took place.

No mention in any Eternity or Infinity bio.
No mention in any of the two sublty alluded hero bios,
nothing in the Cosmic Cube, or IG bios,
nothing.

Is it canon?

Only if Roma can erase DC with the flick of a switch.
Otherwise it's Not canon. Ok if its not canon then I may change my mind about Supes and Thor in a one on one confrontation.

bump

Originally posted by Mr Master
The cosmological make-up is completely F'd up in that arc,
so it shouldn't be canon.

Subtle allusions have been made in a bio or two concerning the individual heroes,
with no names of course, how can it be canon if they can't mention names?
Anyways
absolutely nothing has been referenced concerning the Cosmic event that took place.

No mention in any Eternity or Infinity bio.
No mention in any of the two sublty alluded hero bios,
nothing in the Cosmic Cube, or IG bios,
nothing.

Is it canon?

Only if Roma can erase DC with the flick of a switch.
Otherwise it's Not canon.
No. Becuz Roma didn't fuse the life of the DC verses with her crystal thing. The story is cannon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. Becuz Roma didn't fuse the life of the DC verses with her crystal thing.
The story is cannon.

Merlyn fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into his crystals,
so if DC & Marvel are part of the same Omniverse (as the issue suggests)
Roma (who is now in charge of the CN) would be able to erase DC.

That's all, this is why I think you'l agree, it's not canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn fused the life-force of the entire Omniverse into his crystals,
so if DC & Marvel are part of the same Omniverse (as the issue suggests)
Roma (who is now in charge of the CN) would be able to erase DC.

That's all, this is why I think you'l agree, it's not canon.
No where in the issue does it suggest any such thing. That is totally your own speculation. Now show me where it says the two companies are part of the same omniverse.Or even where it implies it. as a matter of fact the story implies that they are very much different not the same.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. Becuz Roma didn't fuse the life of the DC verses with her crystal thing. The story is cannon. Doesnt this event have to be mentioned in a marvel comic or a dc comic for it be canon? When was it mentioned or referred to?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesnt this event have to be mentioned in a marvel comic or a dc comic for it be canon? When was it mentioned or referred to? It was mentioned in an avengers handbook as a league of heroes from a Distant Cosmos...

And the egg story was continued in DC.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It was mentioned in an avengers handbook as a league of heroes from a Distant Cosmos...

And the egg story was continued in DC. If this is true then it is canon. No matter how silly some of it was it is canon if what you say is true.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No where in the issue does it suggest any such thing.

That is totally your own speculation.

Now show me where it says the two companies are part of the same omniverse.

Or even where it implies it.

This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"
......................................................................................

So Roma can erase DC?

Or is this garbage not canon?

You must choose ... but choose wisely.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
as a matter of fact the story implies that they are very much different not the same.

"as a matter of fact" huh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If this is true then it is canon. No matter how silly some of it was it is canon if what you say is true. I was against it too initially, until the evidence was brought up.. I might be able to find those old threads if you want, I think they have the scans...

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"
......................................................................................

So Roma can erase DC?

Or is this garbage not canon?

You must choose ... but choose wisely.



"as a matter of fact" huh.

I'm no fool. I'm going to read the entire issue and then let you know what it means. BRB.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I was against it too initially, until the evidence was brought up.. I might be able to find those old threads if you want, I think they have the scans... No need I take your word for it. If you want to find it go for it but if you dont ill take your word for it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"
......................................................................................

So Roma can erase DC?

Or is this garbage not canon?

You must choose ... but choose wisely.



"as a matter of fact" huh.

It does seem they are joined but the Marvel Universe and DC Universe are seperated. Roma shouldn't be able to erase DC since umm she isn't in the DCU, only beings that can cross over between the different Universes are beings on LT, The Spectre levels, thats prob how they have it

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm no fool. I'm going to read the entire issue and then let you know what it means. BRB.

Not the same omniverse. In the series, the IG doesn't work in the DC wrealms. When flash goes to any of the marvel universes, There is no speed force. in DC, the speed force comes from the source, which is part of ALL the DC universes. In Marvel, the IG works in every reality as shown when Rune had it. The story is cannon and they are not the same omniverse.

Originally posted by kevdude
It does seem they are joined but the Marvel Universe and DC Universe are seperated. Roma shouldn't be able to erase DC since umm she isn't in the DCU, only beings that can cross over between the different Universes are beings on LT, The Spectre levels, thats prob how they have it

If yall wanna spin it, that's fine.

But the fact is they are trying to portray the Marvel and DC realities as part of the same Omniverse,
it clearly illustrated in the scans I provided.

If they share the same Omniverse,
then Roma should be able to erase DC.

Oh and a host of other characters should be able to erase DC aswell,
since they can erase the Omniverse.

Like HOM Wanda, or the Alien Entity,
they already Re-Created DC, because they re-created the Omniverse.

That's the logic if we consider this nonsense canon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not the same omniverse.

The story is cannon and they are not the same omniverse.

The story is canon?

Cool, so you concede Roma and host of others can erase DC, glorious.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"
......................................................................................

So Roma can erase DC?

Or is this garbage not canon?

You must choose ... but choose wisely.

I believe you chose though.
srugdoped

Originally posted by Mr Master
the story is canon?

Cool, so you concede Roma and host of tohers can erase DC, glorious.


I believe you chose though.
srugdoped

No. Just like the IG doesn't work in teh DCU and the speed force doesn't work in the Marvel U, the celstial nullifiar won't work in the DCU since The life force fo the DCu is the source. I win.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If yall wanna spin it, that's fine.

But the fact is they are trying to portray the Marvel and DC realities as part of the same Omniverse,
it clearly illustrated in the scans I provided.

If they share the same Omniverse,
then Roma should be able to erase DC.

Oh and a host of other characters should be able to erase DC aswell,
since they can erase the Omniverse.

Like HOM Wanda, or the Alien Entity,
they already Re-Created DC, because they re-created the Omniverse.

That's the logic if we consider this nonsense canon.

No, they have been shown to recreate the Marvel Omni but have never been shown to be a threat to the DC Universe. By this logic Imperiex, Anti-Monitor and others in DC can erase Marvel. That could be but thats for DC and Marvel to figure out

Actually since you insisted on using the term omniverse as an exclusive meaning as "Marvel Omniverse" and "DC Omniverse" what if the reality that it took place in was a sort of overlap of the two. Now that might give Roma some sway over that reality without lending her power beyond the Marvel Omniverse into the DC Omniverse?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually since you insisted on using the term omniverse as an exclusive meaning as "Marvel Omniverse" and "DC Omniverse" what if the reality that it took place in was a sort of overlap of the two. Now that might give Roma some sway over that reality without lending her power beyond the Marvel Omniverse into the DC Omniverse?
I'm sure Roma could erase the part of the omniverse that was marvels since thier life essence was forged in the crystal thingy. But the source is the life force of the DC. Unless Roma has control over the source, (NOT), then she can't erase the dc universes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No.
Just like the IG doesn't work in teh DCU
and the speed force doesn't work in the Marvel U,
the celstial nullifiar won't work in the DCU since The life force fo the DCu is the source.

Bad comparison,

not my problem the IG and Speed Force aren't Omniversal.

The CN and other characters ARE Omniversal, (On Panel)
they can sunder the entire Omniverse, or any reality within it.

So, this means anyone of them can erase DC according to JLA/Avengers.


So again, is it still canon to you?

If you do that's fine,
but that means Marvel has certain cats that can erase DC and your conceding to that.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I win.

Nah.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Bad comparison,

not my problem the IG and Speed Force aren't Omniversal.

The CN and other characters ARE Omniversal, (On Panel)
they can sunder the entire Omniverse, or any reality within it.

So, this means anyone of them can erase DC according to JLA/Avengers.


So again, is it still canon to you?

If you do that's fine,
but that means Marvel has certain cats that can erase DC and your conceding to that.



Nah.
The Source is the life force of the DCU. So roma won't be erasing any of those universes. Nice try tho. And the spectre would kill her for even trying. You are reaching. Aren't you. And master just like you dont' like me quoting you, don't ****ing ever tell me what I"m doing. I hate that shit. I haven't conceded to any of your wankey theories. Especially since The DCU's life blood is the source. Not roma's crystal.

Nver admitted that a host full of beings could erase dc. You turncoat.



How could you do that to dc? How,why?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Source is the life force of the DCU. So roma won't be erasing any of those universes. Nice try tho. And the spectre would kill her for even trying. You are reaching. Aren't you. Spectre failed against the AM. Plus someone could just trick the spectre especially if he were hostless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nver admitted that a host full of beings could erase dc. You turncoat.



How could you do that to dc? How,why?
Are you slow or what?

Originally posted by kevdude
No, they have been shown to recreate the Marvel Omni but have never been shown to be a threat to the DC Universe.

Actually you can't re-create one Omniverse and leave the other out,
when their trying to place both companies in one Omniverse.

Originally posted by kevdude
By this logic Imperiex, Anti-Monitor and others in DC can erase Marvel.

Precisely, which is why its silly.

Originally posted by kevdude
That could be but thats for DC and Marvel to figure out

For now, no allusion of that being possible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you can't re-create one Omniverse and leave the other out,
when their trying to place both companies in one Omniverse.



Precisely, which is why its silly.



For now, no allusion of that being possible.

they can't be from the same omniverse when the premise of the story was that the universes where making each other sick. Becuz they were so much unalike. when the magus merged universes, they weren't killing each other.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm sure Roma could erase the part of the omniverse that was marvels since thier life essence was forged in the crystal thingy. But the source is the life force of the DC. Unless Roma has control over the source, (NOT), then she can't erase the dc universes.

Your trying to ignore the fact that its not "part of the omniverse"

But any Universe in the entire Omniverse:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7337/k2hr3.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3205/e8tr6.th.jpg
"In All the Omniverse there is NOT ONE Universe
that I cannot Destroy at the Touch of a Switch"

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/55/k1so0.th.jpg


Let's not spin it yall, it is a fact.

So again,

this means that Roma (amongst others) can erase DC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you can't re-create one Omniverse and leave the other out,
when their trying to place both companies in one Omniverse. They didn't say that they were in the same omniverse. they only said that the occupy the same space. Now echnically the reality that it took place in could be on the border overlap of the two omniverses (Yeah I know its stupid sounding but the companies chose to pervert the word).

It didn't say the same omniverse, and it didn't say two omniverses, for all we know tere might be a third omniverse where the Marvel/DC crossover's take place...

Beyond whats stated on panel is just speculation and nothing more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Your trying to ignore the fact that its not "part of the omniverse"

But any Universe in the entire Omniverse:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7337/k2hr3.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3205/e8tr6.th.jpg
"In All the Omniverse there is NOT ONE Universe
that I cannot Destroy at the Touch of a Switch"

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/55/k1so0.th.jpg


Let's not spin it yall, it is a fact.

So again,

this means that Roma (amongst others) can erase DC.

No. Becuz She cannot destroy that which the source protects. Source>>>>Roma. As a matter of fact, she can't even destroy every universe in marvel. Cuz MJJ can stop her cold. Source>>>>>>>MJJ

Was Roma shown before the Cross over or after???

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Source is the life force of the DCU.
So roma won't be erasing any of those universes.
Nice try tho.

Actually if the Source's life-force is part of the same Omniverse as Marvel's
then it too is just a Crystal at the disposal of the Omniversal guardians.

According to JLA/Avengers ... not me.

I would never accept that nonsense.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And the spectre would kill her for even trying. You are reaching. Aren't you.

No he can't,
if he's part of the same Omniverse as Roma,
he has to concede to whatever she wishes to do as Omniversal guardian.

She guards his reality too according to what you believe to be canon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And master just like you dont' like me quoting you, don't ****ing ever tell me what I"m doing. I hate that shit. I haven't conceded to any of your wankey theories.

Actually you did concede, you just didn't realize it.

If Marvel & DC are part of the same Omniverse,
Roma (amongst others) can erase DC period.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Especially since The DCU's life blood is the source. Not roma's crystal.

If the DCu's life blood is part of the same Omniverse as Marvel's,
then the Source's life-line is connected to a Crystal owned by Roma.

This is ofcourse only if we consider JLA/Avengers canon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually if the Source's life-force is part of the Omniverse,'
then it too is just a Crystal at the disposal of the Omniversal guardians.

According to JLA/Avengers ... not me.

I would never accept that nonsense.



No he can't,
if he's part of the same Omniverse as Roma,
he has to concede to whatever she wishes to do as Omniversal guardian.

She guards his reality too according to what you believe to be canon.



Actually you did concede, you just didn't realize it.

If Marvel & DC are part of the same Omniverse,
Roma (amongst others) can erase DC period.



If the DCu's life blood is part of the same Omniverse as Marvel's,
then the Source's life-line is connected to a Crystal owned by Roma.

This is ofcourse only if we consider JLA/Avengers canon.

You obviously don't understand the source. The source isn't just the life source. It is abeing greater than the spectre. Roma won't be obliterating any parts of it. You lose. You don't have to accept anything. You NEVER do. i've proven that the two aren't both under roma's spell. Thier life forces even make each other sick. You only wish the event to not be cannon becuz Krona is shown over those items of power. And Spectre over them and krona. The story is cannon. Sorry you that. It's fact. And roma cannot erase any dcu universes, as of now those realities are seperated on panel by the Spectre. If you remember during the story, it starts out with the two realities already merged to some degree. hence the cross overs of various villians. they become truly seperated once again later on.

Hey Mr M. Do you have any evidence that they were refering to the same OMNIVERSE?

Or is all this just speculatory spin based off your interpritation of a few words?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hey Mr M. Do you have any evidence that they were refering to the same OMNIVERSE?

Or is all this just speculatory spin based off your interpritation of a few words?

Need you ask?

Originally posted by Creshosk
They didn't say that they were in the same omniverse.
they only said that the occupy the same space.

I don't see the difference Cresh.
We know they mean the same Omniverse.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Now echnically the reality that it took place in could be on the border overlap of the two omniverses
(Yeah I know its stupid sounding but the companies chose to pervert the word).

Interesting observation but I have to disagree.

Because Krona actually supposedly entered each company separately
before he began his mission to merge them.

So when Polemacus is illustrated, it's supposed to be in Marvel,
and when Qward is illustrated, it's supposed to be in DC.

Originally posted by Creshosk
It didn't say the same omniverse, and it didn't say two omniverses,
for all we know tere might be a third omniverse
where the Marvel/DC crossover's take place...

It said they "occupy the same Space"
That's a blatant ceritfication that they are within the same Omniverse imo.

And I never heard of a third Omniverse,
but it's a cool idea. (that would be better actually)

Originally posted by Creshosk
Beyond whats stated on panel is just speculation and nothing more.

I don't believe the statements made in those scans leaves room for speculation.


Come on yall, they F'd up, let's not take this company-crossover seriously and move on.

Anybody going to answer my question? lol. And The Source is suppose to be the Source of everything, its outside watching everything it created.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hey Mr M. Do you have any evidence that they were refering to the same OMNIVERSE?

This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Or is all this just speculatory spin based off your interpritation of a few words?

"speculatory spin based off your interpritation?"

Nah, just what is stated clearly and definitively above in the scans.

But if you honestly believe that means something other,
fine, as you wish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"



"speculatory spin based off your interpritation?"

Nah, just what is stated clearly and definitively above in the scans.

But if you honestly believe that means something other,
fine, as you wish.

No where does it say they are part of the same omniverse. Your own oppinion. And since roma only has power over the marvel omniverse, your opinion means not too much in this matter. Sorry. The story also says that krona deliberatly weakened the seperation of the realities. We all know later on that it was the bringing together of the two realities that was the weakening. Ooops. bet you didnt' know that did you. Thus krona brought the two realities together, before beginning to destroy them. As I just sat here and read the entire series.

Originally posted by kevdude
Was Roma shown before the Cross over or after???

If you mean what came first,

Roma's been around since the early 80's,
far before JLA/Avengers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't see the difference Cresh.
We know they mean the same Omniverse. They didn't say omniverse.



Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting observation but I have to disagree.

Because Krona actually supposedly entered each company separately
before he began his mission to merge them.

So when Polemacus is illustrated, it's supposed to be in Marvel,
and when Qward is illustrated, it's supposed to be in DC.Doesn't discount them from existing in an overlapse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It said they "occupy the same Space"
That's a blatant ceritfication that they are within the same Omniverse imo.Your opining and nothing more I'm affraid.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I never heard of a third Omniverse,
but it's a cool idea. (that would be better actually) Well according to M theory there's an infinite number of realities so that mmatter can assume all possible form. This leads to questions of where the fanfiction realities take place. the not sanctioned by either company for the story to be told.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't believe the statements made in those scans leaves room for speculation. But that's all we can do. it didn't say they were in the Marvel Omniverse, thus ginivg Roma domain over them. So it's just speculation to say that it is as there's no real on panel verification.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Come on yall, they F'd up, let's not take this company-crossover seriously and move on. okay. Wouldn't be the first time ither company screwed up and told a non-canon story as canon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No where does it say they are part of the same omniverse. Your own oppinion. And since roma only has power over the marvel omniverse, your opinion means not too much in this matter. Sorry. The story also says that krona deliberatly weakened the seperation of the realities. We all know later on that it was the bringing together of the two realities that was the weakening. Ooops. bet you didnt' know that did you. Thus krona brought the two realities together, before beginning to destroy them. As I just sat here and read the entire series.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No where does it say they are part of the same omniverse. Your own oppinion.
Not mine, JLA/Avengers'
Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Polemacus (a Universe in Marvel)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/57/same2ns5.th.jpg



This is Qward (a Universe in DC)

according to JLA/Avengers they are part of the same Omniverse:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"

Now your azz, is definitely using unsupported opinions,
in light of the evidence.

Do what you do friend.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And since roma only has power over the marvel omniverse,
your opinion means not too much in this matter. Sorry.

Roma, and others, have power over the entire Omniverse,

and if DC is part of that Omniverse,
then DC is subject to the influence of Roma and others.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The story also says that krona deliberatly weakened the seperation of the realities. We all know later on that it was the bringing together of the two realities that was the weakening. Ooops. bet you didnt' know that did you. Thus krona brought the two realities together, before beginning to destroy them.
As I just sat here and read the entire series.

This has absolutely nothing to do with DC & Marvel sharing the same Omniverse.
Which is what that garbage cross-over tried to portray.

Again,
it's quite simple,

if DC and Marvel share the same Omniverse,

then Roma and others can erase DC.

Heck Wanda already did, so did the Alien Entity & Thanos and on and on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not mine, JLA/Avengers'/b] JLA/Avengers never said Omniverse.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Now your azz, is definitely using unsupported opinions,
in light of the evidence. There's no evidence to support the claim that they're in the same omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Do what you do friend.



Roma, and others, have power over the entire Omniverse, Entier MARVEL Omniverse.

Remember that word you choose to omit from our previous discussion on what an omniverse was and how that word is infered?

DC is not Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
and if DC is part of that Omniverse, No evidence to support this theory.

Originally posted by Mr Master
then DC is subject to the influence of Roma and others.



This has absolutely nothing to do with DC & Marvel sharing the same Omniverse.There's no evidence to support the hypothesis that they are both in MArvel's Omniverse.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Which is what that garbage cross-over tried to portray. Not stated on panel. CLaims are not founded.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,
it's quite simple,

if DC and Marvel share the same Omniverse, Only you are claiming they do... aside from the misuse of the word...

Originally posted by Mr Master
then Roma and others can erase DC. Nothing to support that DC is in the MARVEL omniverse.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Heck Wanda already did, so did the Alien Entity & Thanos and on and on. Not the DC Omniverse. you have no evidence to support it.

Remember our discussion about what an omni verse actually is and how Marvel is misuisng another word?

Originally posted by Creshosk
They didn't say omniverse.

I didn't think they had to, but as you sih.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Doesn't discount them from existing in an overlapse.

Never heard of such a thing, cool idea though.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Your opining and nothing more I'm affraid.

Well according to M theory there's an infinite number of realities so that mmatter can assume all possible form. This leads to questions of where the fanfiction realities take place. the not sanctioned by either company for the story to be told.

But that's all we can do. it didn't say they were in the Marvel Omniverse, thus ginivg Roma domain over them. So it's just speculation to say that it is as there's no real on panel verification.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Creshosk
okay.
Wouldn't be the first time ither company screwed up and told a non-canon story as canon.

According to the official definition of omniverse, it's all things fiction with in a set Omniverse.

Originally posted by Creshosk
JLA/Avengers never said Omniverse.

There's no evidence to support the claim that they're in the same omniverse.

As you wish.

I believe this is the evidence:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"

Originally posted by Creshosk
Entier MARVEL Omniverse.

Remember that word you choose to omit from our previous discussion on what an omniverse was and how that word is infered?

DC is not Marvel.

I have never stated that this idea (Marvel/DC) sharing an Omniverse is valid.

This is exactly why I'm arguing here, I'm against that thought,
so I haven't changed from our prior discussion.

Oh, and I agree.

Originally posted by Creshosk
No evidence to support this theory.

There's no evidence to support the hypothesis that they are both in MArvel's Omniverse.

In JLA/Avengers there is,
which is why I say it's non-canon.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not stated on panel. CLaims are not founded.

Only you are claiming they do... aside from the misuse of the word...

Nothing to support that DC is in the MARVEL omniverse.

Not the DC Omniverse. you have no evidence to support it.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Remember our discussion about what an omni verse actually is and how Marvel is misuisng another word?

All I know is that Marvel and DC are completely separate realities.

Marvel has its own Omniverse, and DC doesn't concern me.

Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

I believe this is the evidence:

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/708/same1bs3.th.jpg
"Another Universe occupying the same Space"



I have never stated that this idea (Marvel/DC) sharing an Omniverse is valid.

This is exactly why I'm arguing here, I'm against that thought,
so I haven't changed from our prior discussion.

Oh, and I agree.



In JLA/Avengers there is,
which is why I say it's non-canon.



As you wish.



All I know is that Marvel and DC are completely separate realities.

Marvel has its own Omniverse, and DC doesn't concern me.

Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.

The story is cannon. You can say it's not all you wish. You can also say roma can destroy any dc universe, except the story never says they are in the same omniverse. just that they operate on the same plane but a diffenert frequency. It was shown that Krona had caused this merging so tha the walls between realities would weaken. He wanted them to collapse on top of each other so he could witness the birth of a new reality.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The story is cannon. You can say it's not all you wish.
You can also say roma can destroy any dc universe,

I will, so long as you think its canon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
except the story never says they are in the same omniverse.
just that they operate on the same plane but a diffenert frequency.

As you wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was shown that Krona had caused this merging so tha the walls between realities would weaken. He wanted them to collapse on top of each other so he could witness the birth of a new reality.

You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I will, so long as you think its canon.



As you wish.



You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend.
The writers had KRONA placing them on the same plane to cause thier barriers to weaken. And it didn't even say that the main realities where on the same plain. Just the outer lying universes. Your entire argument really just is a screen to push your agenda. it has nothing to do with anything. The series is cannon and roma wasn't shown in teh series and the DCU was never mentioned as part of the marvel omniverse. So your theory is washed up. you can post scan after scan and give us your opinion till you are blue in the face. It doesn't change the facts that Roma isn't mentioned, Omniverse is never mentioned, Krona merged the universes to weaken thier barriers, and It was already shown that they weren't in the same omniverse becuz certain items and dimensions dind't exist. I.E. the IG didn't work in the DCU and the speed force didn't work in teh marvel u. Good night. you can give us your opinion all night. won't change the facts of what I just said.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I will, so long as you think its canon.



As you wish.



You said this before,
it had nothing to do with JLA/Avengers writers placing DC/Marvel in the same Omniverse then,
and it has nothing to do with it now friend. Where does it state that the writers placed it in the regular Marvel Omniverse?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The writers had KRONA placing them on the same plane to cause thier barriers to weaken. And it didn't even say that the main realities where on the same plain. Just the outer lying universes.

Still has nothing to do with Marvel/DC sharing an Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your entire argument really just is a screen to push your agenda. it has nothing to do with anything. The series is cannon and roma wasn't shown in teh series and the DCU was never mentioned as part of the marvel omniverse. So your theory is washed up. you can post scan after scan and give us your opinion till you are blue in the face. It doesn't change the facts that Roma isn't mentioned,

As you wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Omniverse is never mentioned,



Yea but a description of the location of Marvel & DC's realities was,
and according to that location,
it would fit within the same Omniverse.

No need to mention the term, when they clearly told us,

they "SHARE the SAME Space" (if it's not the Omniverse, what other Sapce is there)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Krona merged the universes to weaken thier barriers,

Inconsequential to pages 1 and 2 of book #1.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and It was already shown that they weren't in the same omniverse becuz certain items and dimensions dind't exist. I.E. the IG didn't work in the DCU and the speed force didn't work in teh marvel u.

Just cause they didn't work,
doesn't mean they weren't there.

Cause if I recall, Darkseid actually put on the IG,
so it didn't work, but the IG was still accessible to DC's reality.

Which is nonsense cause they are not in the same Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Good night.
you can give us your opinion all night.
won't change the facts of what I just said.

You mean won't change your what you believe to be facts.
And that's fine friend.

The universes, the multiverses the mega verses and the omniverses might have all shared a single border but not been within the same space until Krona pushed them there.

The omniverses were not within one another so Roma would have no authority over DC and Spectre none over marvel

You're showing a bit of desperation in your hypothesis that has no real cooraborating evidence to support, merely to get us to discard what the companies have dubbed as canon.

I might have initilly looked like this:

Originally posted by Creshosk
The universes, the multiverses the mega verses and the omniverses might have all shared a single border but not been within the same space until Krona pushed them there.

Cool,
only Krona had nothing to do with Polemachus and Qward occupying the same Space,
that was there before Krona merged Eternity & Kismet.

It's simple,

Polemachus is a whole Alternate Universe withIN the Prime Multiverse,

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1628/ja0102xc3iy3.th.jpg


Qward is a whole Parallel Universe withIN the DC Multiverse.

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2792/ja0104tc2up6.th.jpg

"Another Universe, occupying the same Space,
but a different vibratory plane of reality"


There's absolutely no way for these Two Realities to "share the same Space"
unless they're both located withIN the same Omniverse.
..................................................................................

You disagree, that's fine, peace & love yall.
..................................................................................

Also
isn't kinda eerily coincidental,
that DC's 52 Universes are also separated by a vibratory plane withIN the same Space?

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8095/vibefr9.th.jpg

52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos,
the Earths will occupy the same Space, each on a different vibrational plane"
..................................................................................

But I thought Polemachus (Marvel) & Qward (DC) shared the same Space on a different vibratory plane?

hm

Originally posted by Creshosk
The omniverses were not within one another
so Roma would have no authority over DC and Spectre none over marvel

Cool, I'd just like to know what other Space does Polemachus occupy,
if it isn't a piece of Marvel's Omniverse.

Same goes for Qward on the DC side.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're showing a bit of desperation in your hypothesis
that has no real cooraborating evidence to support

I'm not concerned one bit friend,
I'm very confident about what I'm saying.

You say I have no evidence, that's cool.

But I'd like the evidence that supports Polemachus occupying another Space
besides the Space it occupies withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse.

Which means you have to prove there are Two Polemachuses,
One withIn the Prime Marvel Multiverse,
and One withIN a mysterious area of Space where coincidentally Qward is a part of too.

Originally posted by Creshosk
merely to get us to discard what the companies have dubbed as canon.

Actually you can seriously believe and/or carry on what you wish.

If your argument is that they didn't place the arc withIN the same Omniverse,
then I disagree because of said reason above, and that's it.

If your argument is
that it's canon because the company dubbed it so,
that's fine,
I just don't understand why no DC name has been mentioned
in any of the Two bios with the subtle references.

Copywrite laws? Perhaps, but if it's canon how can that be an issue?


Oh well, we'll just agree to diagree.

Mornin Mr. M

LT/Spectre for the win

I wonder why we as adults just cant except the fact that the story is cannon, but that each company cant effect eachother unless a crossover is happening....hey maybe one day they will make a crossover that deals with someone using roma's crystals to destroy a dc universe....who knows

To even try and say Marvel would on their own would have roma try and destroy a dc universe is unbelievable, its only to protect and defend ones favorite characters for these sites that have versus matches that the notion was even brought up

I have seen the evidence to support this crossover as being cannon, but never would i entertain the idea roma can effect DC's universes( and it would only be to make a character win a match or seem more powerfull), and for anybody to try an argue it seems a excuse to argue for no reason

Its a story by two companies trying to make a good story and some money, they dont care about these rediculus arguments

Originally posted by starlock
LT/Spectre for the win

Wonderful, I agree.

Originally posted by starlock

the story is cannon,

but that each company cant effect eachother unless a crossover is happening

I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.

Originally posted by starlock
hey maybe one day they will make a crossover that deals with someone using roma's crystals to destroy a dc universe....who knows

That's be nice.

Originally posted by starlock
To even try and say Marvel would on their own
would have roma try and destroy a dc universe is unbelievable,

That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.

Originally posted by starlock
its only to protect and defend ones favorite characters
for these sites that have versus matches that the notion was even brought up

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Originally posted by starlock
I have seen the evidence to support this crossover as being cannon,
but never would i entertain the idea roma can effect DC's universes

Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma or any other cat, can't do anything to DC,
just like Spectre or whoever can't do jack to Marvel.
See right above. ^^^ (that's at the top of this page)
Originally posted by starlock
(and it would only be to make a character win a match or seem more powerfull),
and for anybody to try an argue it seems a excuse to argue for no reason

I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.

Originally posted by starlock
Its a story by two companies trying to make a good story and some money, they dont care about these rediculus arguments

So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.


Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wonderful, I agree.



I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.



That's be nice.



That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.



You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.



Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:

See right above. ^^^ (that's at the top of this page)


I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.



So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.


Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall.

Please stop thinking so much about yourself, your lucky your not worth my time anymore, i actually think you have improved your attitude and respect that in all sincerity,please dont disapoint me, your past could catch up to you again and we dont want that do we?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Wonderful, I agree.



I'd like to know where this is stated,
and/or depicted, on panel or in a bio if you prefer.



That's be nice.



That is unbelievable, good thing No one said that,
but since this is incorrectly directed at me,
I never said that.



You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.



Well if ya'd paid more attention instead of just searching for the opportunity
to add negativity to a cool debate,
you'd realize that sarcasm (Roma or any other Marvel being) can affect DC,
was used to poke fun at the idea that this garbage should be taken seriously as canon.

In fact,
I also mentioned the Spectre, and any being that can takes out either Omniverse:

See right above. ^^^ (that's at the top of this page)


I believe this fits again,

You're only using your fantasies here,
cause No one said what you claimed in the post above
which lead to this presumption about Me.

But nice improve.



So why do you care so much about what we're discussing here?
Or do you just care enough to come in and disrespect everyone by calling us ridiculous?

Honestly dogs, if you don't like the debate I'm having with my intelligent peers,
don't join our fun, don't post unless it's relevant to the thread.

*note*

And Please stop telling me that I'm "protecting my favorite character"
or that I'm debating to "make a character seem more powerful"

This is an off-topic personal attack that's unfounded and inconsequential.

I'm not debating for any characters here dude,
I'm debatng against the canonicity of JLA/Avengers because of its cosmological
senselessness.


Thanks for participating,
but next time try and stay On Topic,
don't force youself to add a snide remark in your paragraphs,
and abstain from assuming so much about other posters' motives.

Peace and love yall.

You can argue against the cosmological senselessness of the book all you want. It's senseless that Reed was able to out think the LT. IT was senseless that a celestial could succeed where the LT could not. It is senseless that SMP could hold Mxy at his mercy while not even being able to kill him. It's senseless that The Spectre had Turly infinite power and didn't kill the AM. it's called comics. comics are created by flawed human beings who try and make a good story and sometimes can't mesh all other established cannon well.

Originally posted by starlock
Please stop thinking so much about yourself,

It's obviously you who thinks about me,
for your post is riddled with remarks subtly directed at me.

Originally posted by starlock
your lucky your not worth my time anymore,

I wish I was never worth your time.

Originally posted by starlock
i actually think you have improved your attitude and respect that in all sincerity,

So you've taken up the mantle now?
Cause why can't you just post with respect?
Why the need to throw in the condescending remarks?
Why the need to assume that I have alterior motives in my posts?

Dude, just add you opinion, give a reason for it if you wish, and move on.
There's no need to start with "why can't we as adults"
"to protect your favorite character"
"to make your character seeem more powerful"
"seems like an excuse to argue for no reason"
"these ridiculous arguments"

Is there any need for any of this in order to get your opinion heard?

Nah friend, just stay on topic and let's be happy.

Originally posted by starlock
please dont disapoint me,
your past could catch up to you again and we dont want that do we?

glare

Master, Answer this question for me and we'll take it slow.

According to Official History, As in comics history, Has the LT ever been lower than the beyonder or MM?

I"m not talking classic or any of that. Becuz those are terms we use given that we are out side of the comics.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Master, Answer this question for me and we'll take it slow.

According to Official History, As in comics history,
Has the LT ever been lower than the beyonder or MM?

Only between 1984 & 1990

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m not talking classic or any of that.
Becuz those are terms we use given that we are out side of the comics.

Cool.

Hey look friend, so long as its stated at the beginning of the thread,
I don't mind involving Pre-era characters with Current ones.

Pre-retcon simply means to me, as though they were never retconned to begin with.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Only between 1984 & 1990



Cool.

Hey look friend, so long as its stated at the beginning of the thread,
I don't mind involving Pre-era characters with Current ones.

Pre-retcon simply means to me, as though they were never retconned to begin with.
According to marvel official history, 1984-1990 doesn't exist to the LT. He was never lower than him. Stop using your perception of events outside of comics and look at them from inside. And I dont' mind using pretconned characters either, but I am not going to sit here and say that pre retconned characters can claim validity over characters feats whom they officially where never over. Meaning I won't say the MM or Beyonder are more powerful than the LT, whom, officially, they never where.

LT FTW

Reece/Man from Beyond aren't worth LT's attention

Spectre is DC's issue I wish as a fan he's not a jobber just for sales anymore

Pre retcon, either MM or Beyonder would beat both Spectre and LT, but post retcon Id have to say the opposite holds true.