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Welcome to round 2 of Pool B.

This match will be a week from start time.

Prep is 72 hours long.

The Location: The Amazon Jungle

Judges will be announced soon.


I have not received Opening Posts from Martian_Mind

Thus he forfeits his prep time and the ability for his partner to use his team for prep time.

Blair's Team (being that Martain is non-existant):
Box/Ivo (Amazo)
Element Lad/Brainiac 5 (Amazo 2)
Aquarian
Independent Amazo

Powers
Being that my team has all that data from last match, I can use my Professor Ivo/Box combo to again recreate Amazo will all the powers he has gained so far and include some new ones (which up to right now include):

My team (minus Aquarian)/Leo's team/All of Martain Minds team, and some of Charlottes. Green Lantern, Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman w/Lasso, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Batman's mind*, Zatanna, Elongated Man, Atom, Parasite, ect ect.

Wait, wait, what you say? How did he get those extra powers? From where? Well, dear friends, from Professor Ivo's genius mind. You see, for everytime that Amazo was destroyed, he was pre-installed with powers from the JLA recreated by Ivo, and any powers he had before. As you can see, a rebuilt Amazo/Red Tornado hybrid remembers EVERYTHING that he has done:

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*Mind characters:
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Speed Force "Stop Time"
Now that we have that established, inside the first second of prep time, we use savitar's AND Flash's powers and share his speed with the other members of my team.

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With Savitar and Wally's nearly unparalleled use of the speedforce, coupled with vulcan's omega level ability to tap into, absorb and manipulate nearly any energy source, Savitar and Wally's access to speed force energy will be enhanced to beyond omega levels.

Using vulcan's power, AND SAVITAR'S/WALLY'S ABILITY TO SHARE SPEED FORCE ENERGY, Savitar/Wally imbues each member of my team with vast amounts of speed force energy. The end result: each person on my team will be capable of moving AND thinking at speeds as close to light speed as possible. and yes, hyperspeed grants hyperspeed thinking as well. here is just one of literally dozens of examples i could show (So we can enter into "Stop Time":

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Pwnage
This is where things get interesting. With all the time in the world, we have Brainiac/Element Lad do some VERY interesting things for us. You see, Element Lad is basically Sersi (just so you can understand), and Brainy...well he is what Reed Richards wishes he could be:
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That is more than the Library of Congress by a good amount. Per Second. Yea. He pwns. Thus begins our three day extravaganza.

Day 1
First, they outfit the metal on Amazo into Inertron nanotech (Thanks to Engineer). What is Inertron? The strongest metal in the world, no no, the universe. Even VALIDUS, who was >>>>> stronger than both Kryptonians and Daxamites combined could not break it:

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Thus, we have the MOST durable person on the field, bar none. Giving Madison some extra Inertron to work with, he goes on to create some independent Amazo's. (more on this later)

Brainiac/Element lad then create Legion Flight Rings with all kinds of capabilities (anything claimed has a scan to its name, just ask if you need it). They include Psi blockers, flight, environmental adapting (extreme heat, cold, ect), communications, forcefields, ect. The forcefields here are made almost skin tight, and to show what they can do they are so powerful that not even Green Lantern, Superman, or Jay vibrating could pass through them:

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That however is NOT all. You see Brainiac 5 is a genius. And he, coupled with Element Lad, can re-create the tech for this all over again:
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Yes. Thats right, EVERY SINGLE LEGION POWER. That includes: Magnetism, Gravity, Telepathy, Super Speed, Shrinking/Growth, Darkness, Super Strength, Heat Vision, Transmutation, JUST to name a FEW. Any type of power used that is Legion lite? I am effectively immune too. We give this upgrade to MY (as in Blair's team) as well. The Amazo's are outfitted to go 1) Go over the Brainiac/Element Lad and be under their control, and 2) another to be completely independent.

Using Mr. Terrific/Forge/Brainiac 5/Batman/Ultimate Reed Richards brain power(S) combined with Sersi/Element Lad's powers, we make all of our characters invisible to technology, optics, smell, and sound (thanks to Brainy's association to Invisible Kid and Forge's inventiveness) and create millions of T-Spheres (which are smart bombs). Each T-Sphere and Legion Ring, using Forge's power here to conceptualize tech, is designed to shut down any and all powers OUTSIDE of our own - this is beyond what abilities they already have of course.

To sum up Day 1:
Created Amazo(S) with Inertron
Created Legion Rings
Made us immune to all Legion Powers
Invisibility
Amped T-Spheres

Day 2

Using Forge's ability to conceptualize tech, Brainy's 12th level intelligence, and Sersi/Element Lad's powers to transmute whatever we need instantly, we create tech on our person that allows no one to duplicate our powers. Anyone who does so is instead giving a bio-power source of Invisible Serum (that Brainy can create). What does this do?:

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Basically? We tweak it so that all their information disappears and gets deleted. Virus from the future ftw. All their copied powers are now deleted from their systems, any information they once had are deleted from their systems. If they do not try to duplicate our powers, we can simply inject them with the virus into them. The virus is equipped for delivery in all the T-Spheres (isolated of course), our Legion Rings, and of course our characters in case they try to duplicate us.

Day 3

We practice. Yea. No more building tech. We have all we need, no use giving away trade secrets. We go through our battle plan with Spartan as our field commander. We then take Spartans brain patterns and install them into the Independent Amazo Construct. Computers are lovely things. The end of prepping is putting up all forcefields, duplicating exact copies of Persuaders Axe to the Amazo(S), and getting Aquarian ready.

Battle Plan

For all my prepping, the battle plan is relatively simple:
The best offense is a ridiculously powerful defense.

My teammembers all teleport away from Aquarian, having the T-Spheres with them to neutralize powers and create millions of holograms of our team. We, of course, are invisible to them COMPLETELY. We use Parasite's ability to siphon powers/energy from anyone on their team as well. We also use Sersi's/Element Lad's powers to transmute any weapon they have into Oxygen.

Aquarian takes his field and expands it as far as he can right before the battle begins (my teammates are outside of this field):
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If the other team is anywhere near that when the match starts, they can no longer use any of their superpowers (strength, speed, energy wielding powers -- even Quasar's bands will not work in proximity to him-- and anything mechanical or technological will not work either).
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So if anyone is caught in that (he can of course move around), they will be powerless. THE BEST PART IS that Super Adaptiod copied his powers last match. I specifically did not. If they choose to use his power, (and in fact, I think by default because they have it), SA should just shut down. Why? Because his powers affect him as well as others. So, by absorbing him, they defeated themselves.

So, we have two attacks going on. Aquarian with his null field, and my characters with their T-Spheres nulling all powers as well. Coming in contact with us would not be wise. Any thing they can throw at us, we have a counter for. Once all powers are stopped, we just cut them to pieces with the ax's, blow them up with the T-Spheres, or do something more creative like shrink to Atom size, and run at their foreheads with Flash/Savitar speed.

If it comes to a punch out, we are stronger, more durable, faster, have more powers to work with, and if push comes to shove we have Aquarian as our trump card. Fly catcher ftw. They are kept there until we do a quick let go/kill manuever. Meaning Aquarian takes his field down and a nanosecond later we kill them. Especially with their tech dependent team, it will take a while for them to come back "online". By that time, they are dead.

PREP

all right. as in the last rd my team will enter hyperspeed, but before we do, i share the adaptoid data with terminatrix. with the data she should be able to transform herself into a version of the adaptoid. that done, my team enters hypertime, as i explained in my first match by the sharing of the speed force via savitar/vulcan aka EMPEROR SPEED.

once in hypertime, and given the length of prep this rd, i will have enough time to do anything i feel like and time will not be an issue. i could stretch seconds into years. imagine how long hours become when time dilation comes into effect . . .

first thing i do is have forge reverse engineer the synthesis process and return black box to normal. then we go ahead and create TWO 'new version' super-adaptoids. these new, techno-organic versions clearly lack the limitations of their older 'classic' counterparts. yelana belova easily absorbed sentry's powers (scans readily available upon request) and was using his power while simultaneously using wolverine's healing factor, and cage's invulnerability. she'd also copied ironman's power as well as spidey's. the 'overload' argument is moot and proven even MORE so by the fact that belova was attacked by MULTIPLE ironmen. the idea behind attacking with multiple ironmen was to (as in the past) attempt to overload the adaptoid's neuro-net. that never happened of course and belova was on the verge of defeating ALL the ironmen before she was destroyed.

overloading the new adaptoids is not an option as it was in the past, nor are any of the 'classic' adaptoid showings of any relevence.

(you know, just in case they came up. . . )

with that dealt with, i alter taki and forge, transforming both into adaptoids. again like in rd 1, using black box's powers, we access AIM and dl all power signatures ever used by the super adaptoid into each of them. reed and forge then ensure their software is protected from any imagineable outside tampering (belova was remotely destroyed -- we change that frequency and otherwise safeguard against any form of virus or remote assault).

that done, we then create 6 of the 'classic' style adaptoids to act as our independent constructs. again, we have as much time as it would take, but given sersi, taki, reed and forge + the instructions on how to create one . . . it would likely take minutes in the real world. creating 6 androids should not be considered anything remotely close to implausible by anyone. the SA's possess the classic limits, but they are also HIGHLY intelligent and WE are in command of them. we grant them the ability to access no more than any 3-4 powersets at one time. it's only software that dictates their behavior, and again, between reed and forge, rewriting some software in a small thing. bruce banner was able to easily alter the software of the original SA and send it on his own private mission. we do pretty much the same thing and we have sersi and taki to make sure we can do whatever we need to. with that done, we spend time in hypertime becoming proficient with all accessible powers then come out of hypertime, copy cdb's team's powers (while she does the same to my team) and are nearly ready to roll. my team fields EMPEROR SPEED, adaptoid forge and adaptoid taki, along with the 6 other super adaptoids. EMPEROR SPEED shares his speed with everyone on the team so all of us are capable of lightspeed with the EMPEROR>lightspeed.

BATTLE

at the start of the battle, my characters appear as far from them as we can get. several adaptoids appear invisible and intangible thanks to vision and sue storm then we use captain marvel's cosmic awareness to instantly locate each member of their team and relay it to everyone on our team via tp link. when they are found, and we have an idea of what their opening looks like, emperor speed (if feasible) proceeds to steal the speed of the other team and redirect it back to OUR team. then 4 adaptoids use nate's and/or rachel's tp to overwhelm and psionically crush amazo. the others look for other targets to be named once we see how the battle is taking shape. if they have other droids, we will alter the plan. ALL of us move at at least lightspeed, have benefit of cosmic awareness and most can use sersi's teleportation powers. again, our maneuverability/adaptability is unquestionable.

now, a couple things regarding amazo that i'd love cleared up. first, when amazo was initially created by ivo, he was fed powers from the original leaguers DIRECTLY. ie--their powers were literally PUMPED into him. in the most recent incarnation, he was granted the power of absorption by ivo through a combination of vixen's powers and parasite's powers. what i'd like to know is where does bw's amazo get the jla powers from, and without vixen's powers, how is he creditting amazo with the ability to absorb powers at all?

and even if he can prove he CAN absorb, there is no logical way he can possibly have gained the jla powers . . . afterall, they are not 'innately' part of amazo.

secondly, if he can somehow address those issues, there is another issue -- amazo does not have the ability to NOT copy a power that is close to him. his absorption is not a conscious decision. that means he automatically copies whatever superpower is around him. that would include all the powers of his teammates -- including aquarian. the problem with that is that aquarian's powers CANNOT BE SHUT OFF. and his null field negates ALL powers within the field -- including amazo's. now, there is proof that psi powers CAN escape the field evidenced by aquarian's empathic control over animals, so our psi assault WILL get through and destroy him. but none of his available energy/strength/speed attacks will be possible. and because he retains the memories and powers over all the rds, amazo will be stuck with aquarian's field the whole tournament (until the finals) should be choose to continue to create him. in fact, it is MOST likely that amazo would simply be unable to function at ALL within the field as all the energy required to power the droid itself would be nullified.

if bw somehow explains THAT away, it should be made clear that he has only MIMICKED savitar's speed. in other words, he does NOT access the speed force and therefore can NOT share/steal speed or use the speed force in any way. he can copy savitar's tourney limit speed (just below LIGHT SPEED), but the speed force and vulcan's ability to access it is what allows savitar to EXCEED light speed. without access to the force (something no amazo has EVER shown) he is capped at just under light speed. another interesting point -- amazo lacks imagination, that's why he can't use the powers he has creatively. he has copied forge's powers, a power based PURELY on creativity and imagination. i could see that setting up a dilemma in his AI that COULD cause it disruptions or to even shut down.

if somehow bw explains away all of that, and he can in some way survive the psi assault, i still have a great combo to attack amazo if i need to -- forge's powers allow him to SEE mechanical energy in motion. what energy he can SEE, vulcan can manipulate. i have the original vulcan and the original forge -- together via tp link, they could throw down a WORLD of hurt on any cybernetic entity . . . that combo attack should also work through the null field in the same way a psi attack would.

all of those scenarios are just possible scenarios that may come into play. i have others if needed and cdb has her own little tidbits. again, with our starting places and cosmic awareness, with our speed and teleportation, we can instantaneously adapt to whatever they come out with should an alteration in plans prove necessary.

Edited at Gundam's request.

did jan take part in that as well . . .? and besides, who cares.



come on . . . cosmic awareness finds you regardless. or gabe finds you based on the energy you are outputting to stay invisible. or nate/rachel finds your psi signatures. or B8, who is centuries beyond B5, overcomes whatever you're trying to pull , or . . .


no proof of mr t = no spheres.

no speed force = no 1000000 spheres. (you like the whole 1000000 thing, eh?)

but let's say for a second you DO have mr t and make . . . however many you make. ALL adaptoids copy jack in prep. so, he just grows to jack's size and unleashes angies atom-slicing net. the net would be big enough to wipe out ALL the spheres in one swoop and we would never have to go near any of them. the net would also have the benefit of slicing all of your team into atoms . . .
our versatility is simply too overwhelming for you.



lol

sweet -- next match i just get all my guys to make a death ray that kills everyone in 2 stages -- first stage paralyzes, second stage kills. gotta avoid the ohk thing . . .

please. forge can take MONTHS to come up with an idea -- not that you have his powers OR sersi's. (again, show me a rebooted amazo possessing/accessing ANY non-jla power . . .) besides, without access to the speed force you have no time to even TRY something like that. having smart guys on a team doesn't mean they can go ahead and create whatever crazy thing you can imagine . . .



well, without proof of terrific, no spheres.

period.

not that you would have anywhere NEAR the number anyway without speed force access. we also have angie's powers, B8's powers, forge's powers, reed's mind, taki's mind, nate's AND rachel's tk AND we proofed ourselves in prep against any virus attacks. with all of that, our ability to metabolize wounds/heal at speed force-type speed, and THINK at those speeds, we could easily, effectively and INSTANTLY combat whatever virus you attempted to throw at us.

beyond that -- in case you missed it -- WE HAVE INDIGO (B8!) ON OUR SIDE! she comes from a future CENTURIES beyond the 31st century where lowly B5 comes from. whatever virus and or tech you throw at her/us will be obsolete. might as well try attacking us from a pong system . . .

here's one other little tidbit about b5. there's a reason bw wanted someone else in the draft. here's a quote from the dc database about his weakness: "While Brainiac 5 possesses a great intellect, memory and scientific knowledge, he is still limited by his human creativity and ability for original thought." And bw said he is everything REED wanted to be?? he got it backwards. b5 would KILL to have reed's or forge's creativity . . .

bear that in mind as things play out and consider this fact in light of all the stuff bw is trying to sell . . .



no parasite (unless you somehow built him in . . .) and no sersi. we don't have weapons and you most certainly are NOT invisble to us nor do you have all those little spheres . . . or if you do, they have been sliced into atoms . . .



since you recreated amazo, i guess i can drop the idea that you have his powers. it would be odd though because you'd have to avoid him in your prep scenarios all the time (in the previous match it was pointed out that the prep area was very small and copying him was unavoidable). still having aquarian on the field IS potentially VERY beneficial for us. you see, in an instant i could use black box's powers to access cerebra then dl blink's powers into our adaptoid's, use cosmic awareness to find you, teleport you inside the field's area, then, when all your powers are nullified i could use sersi's power to change the air inside the field's area to hydrochloric acid, or just have near-lightspeed jack, who's several hundreds of feet tall step on you. and no, you couldn't just teleport yourself out of the field. the field prevents computers and droids from working:

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yeah, i really REALLY like that idea . . . it really is simple and pretty much foolproof. and since we go INTO the battle searching for you, using our cosmic awareness we could instantly find you. then it's just a matter of teleporting you into the field and the battle is over. what was it you said -- flycatcher ftw? indeed . . .



yeah, figured you were hoping for that . . . sorry, no such luck. all new adaptoid's for you.



stronger? more durable? FASTER?? more powers??? We outnumber you 3-1. we have NINE superadaptoid's, EACH capable of instantly dl'ing ANY POWER EVER USED BY ANY ADAPTOID. we are no where near your field. our cosmic awareness finds you instantly. you have 3 characters that move sub light speed. we have ELEVEN that do so and one that moves WELL beyond that speed. that ONE character can steal your speed, add it to ours and you are stuck like flies in amber. one of us is several hundreds of feet tall. others can become so instantly and fire atom-slicing nets that would destroy the entire jungle we are in. we have an overwhelming power advantage. we can sense you anywhere you go. we have an overwhelming psi advantage and once we locate you we can utterly overwhelm whatever minor defenses you can muster -- because against all of our nates and rachel's it wouldn't be NEAR enough. aquarian could be taken out with tp as explained or by having the air in his field transmuted. AFTER we blink you inside the area. once inside the area, the droid would shut down so you couldn't access your OWN teleporting.

or we could just cut off your legs or rip your head off.

you are dead in so many ways it really is impossible to encompass in this post.

Charlotte's post #1\8

Well, I'd like to correct some misinterpretations in leo's post. Well, Adaptoids can't grow using Jack's powers- he wears entire city as a giant battle suit (given the size of NYC, that should be a Mount Everest tall being) but doesn't grow giant by himself, just being merged into giant city "golem"- but that doesn't matter as they have downloaded Hank Pym's signature both in AIM package and during prep, so they can grow using that pretty instantly.

Aquarian would be most likely brain dead in the opening nanoseconds of fight with local plant life having all kinds of BDSM session with him courtesy of Plantsman and Mantis' powers. Same goes for Brainiac\Element Lad amalgam. It may have SOME psi-protection, but it doesn't help as we've already "downloaded" the experience of Marvel's most powerful telepaths during prep (both via Nate's astral plane manipulation and Black Box\Terminatrix technopathy).
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Nate by himself toys with Fantastic Four making Reed-designed psi-blockers look like silly toys for little kids.
We also have Emma's and Xavier's experience with us- that leaves space for more fun with your parhetic psi-defences.
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Here Emma is bypassing ONE psi-defence, designed by Tony Stark, and later it's shown that she's capable to ignore the defenses of Stark himself.
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Mental Madonna who has combined experience of Cable, Emma, Xavier, Jean Grey and Nate himself, and is wearing naonsuit with all the properties of Cerebra who also periodically injects neurostimulants into its bloodstream (+providing hivemind connetcions woth our technopaths so extra data can be downloaded instantly if needed), can do all of that to you in nanoseconds. You have Martian Manhunter's TP, yes, but for all its might it's pathetic compared to that.

I do believe that Jack wearing NYC armour can just step on him without any prolonged ill effects- he's much bigger in that armour than the biggest radius Aquarian's powers were seen to achieve. Ill effect would be minor also because Jack grants "golem" he's merged into sort of healing factor - remember, he keeps all kinds of control over the city while wearing it as golem.
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So from many attacks it can...well, just heal.

Virus attack? Well, there's always antivirus softvare from the future a century or two more distant than the one Brainiac5 is from. More advanced generation of Brainiacs FTW.
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Well, you may counter that it's little stuff- but we have Engineer, Forge, Ultimate Reed Richards, Wiz Kid and Hank Pym minds avaliable for brainstorming+acess to the skills and abilities of 616 Reed and Doctor Doom.
BTW, talking about viruses. If you can SOMEHOW survive atom cutting blades, the wave of nanoviruses jammin all your tech is really good as a followup.
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The list of minds and powers we have to adjust it is nice. BTW, speaking of death rays. It's well within our ability to recterate Ultimate Galactus busting weapon and fire it on you and that would be much more plausible than the amouth of stuff you're trying to sell here.

continued, so that's 2\8 just technically

Speaking of proof on tracking psi-signatures via astral plane, well... I'll adress the events of Psi-War once again. See, Psylocke being stupid enough ingites the trap releasing the distortion wave that blocked any connection to astral plane.
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Among the victims of these events are guys like Spiderman who aren't even active telepaths by themselves.
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So tracking a psionic signature of a telepath over astral plane when you have established dominance over it is not that hard or implausible.
Another handy use of astral plane we're capable in is drawing extra psi-powers from it.
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Also as I've said, you are flys in the amber in more ways than one:
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Kept in suspended animation via Nate's TK
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Pinned to the ground by the gravity increased on you.
Jungles would also be haulting your movement courtesy of Mantis' biopathy.
You're done, B-Dub. Really...

Haven't been reading all the matches (to even experienced onlookers, the amount of chaos brought about by so many rules and characters is a bit staggering), but I do like seeing what Charlotte dreams up for the Authority. I won't comment other than to say it's amusing to see it. A shame Blair didn't use Spartan for this round...that bit with Angie removing the Void signature is classic. I knew of it of course, but never would've remembered to use it in this setting. Blair, did you anticipate that or was it just by chance that you didn't field Spartan this round? I was discussing it with leo, and just got too curious not to ask.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Haven't been reading all the matches (to even experienced onlookers, the amount of chaos brought about by so many rules and characters is a bit staggering), but I do like seeing what Charlotte dreams up for the Authority. I won't comment other than to say it's amusing to see it. A shame Blair didn't use Spartan for this round...that bit with Angie removing the Void signature is classic. I knew of it of course, but never would've remembered to use it in this setting. Blair, did you anticipate that or was it just by chance that you didn't field Spartan this round? I was discussing it with leo, and just got too curious not to ask.

Well, after being Ms.Has-Forgotten-Everything-Really-Needed-To-Cripple-Your-Opponent in previous round I decided to stop with extrapolative nonsence and decided to do something more reliable(I totally forgotten the Void signature in previous round, for example).
*unofficial post.

Blah and Barf. Lets break this down by characters and briefly. Debates dont need long winded explainations:

Mr. Terrific:
Martian has him, and even though he is not debating, I can use his team can I not? Thanks. With his spheres, I can spread my field of powerlessness to surround the entire area. You really have no chance here.

Element Lad:
You are thinking New Age Hippie. Thats the only Element Lad that has ever had a time limit on his powers. I didnt draft that piece of garbage.


Brainiac 5:
No, see, I ALWAYS wanted him in my draft. You use a bio against me with him? He has created everything that the Legion uses. 12th level intellect ftw Show me Indigo processing information faster than him, or inventing half the stuff he has. Thanks

Amazo:
Wow, lots of speculation here. You go from the original Amazo and the latest version of Amazo without ever mentioning any of the Amazo's in between. The Vixen/Parasite thing was PIS, and never needed before. You think people will buy that? Besides, if it was because Ivo did not have the proper materials, Box can transmute metal into anything that Ivo might need, and Element Lad can create anything they dont have.

Ok, first you say I cannot get the JLA powers. I say to thee, all that information is just data. Software. How do you think that Ivo gives him those powers PRE-INSTALLED all the time? He remembers the data and gives him the powers. Next, yes we re-created Amazo, but I never re-created Box. I had all that Data in Box's internal database (scan is in the previous match.). Sorry, but I have all the powers I specified.

On to the "he has to absorb everyone speach," UH...What about the time he could ONLY absorb JLA members? Did he absorb those who were not? hmmm INTERESTING, looks like he didnt. Or how about the fact that Ivo could always, I dunno, build him to select his targets. Wow, such an easy thought right? Good, because I'm surprised you guys didnt have it.


Also, how would Amazo get speed from Flash if he does not get access to speedforce? He just...does? pfffft. Just because he doesnt use the more exotic uses, doesnt mean Ivo/Box wont (especially after seeing Savitar do it).

And I found this quote hilarious:

What has someone having the original powers ever effected Amazo? He always kicks the crap out of everyone. With your powers, I can counter anything you try, or do it myself. Really, your characters stand no chance.

Aquarian:
You guys are seriously misinformed about Aquarian. You think because he displays a power means that it can be used against him? The cosmic cube granted him his wish: He can never be attacked. Not by anything. And look, strength around him gets sapped, but his doesnt:
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marveltwoinone05804ye2.jpg

So, just because he can do something, does not mean it you can rebound it on him (the PSI thing). BESIDES, the only PSI way he can do something is if he touches them with his field:
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mcp4625oo6.jpg

So just let it go. We are invisible to you (Indigo did not show that much "advances" in detection btw guys. She was fooled more than once until the last second). We power you down with his powers

Jack Hawksmoore:
I'm so confused. NYC? We are in the Amazon. He is completely useless.

Moving on:
I have all the tech and powers to power you guys down. You can try to make false claims about all you have done, but really, I have all your powers and can turn yours off. Engineer doing her nano cut thing will not work. Aquarian is there to turn off her powers, and ON PANEL, someone has taken her nanotech and made them go powerless.

I do not see what we need to argue about here. You guys are basically creating defenses after the prep already happened (saying you could and blah blah), but clearly, my attack is more powerful. All I have to do is take your powers away. Done deal for you guys.


Remember

1 ) Take away powers through:
Amazo's
T-Spheres spreading field throughout the field
Aquarian

1b) Infect them with inviso virus

2) Kill them

Charlotte's post #3\8

Wow, B-Dub, somebody is trying really hard here. So let's dance.

Since my policy is protect favourites first, use anything else last, let's have a talk about Jack (BTW, you spelled his surname wrong, but that doesn't matter).
The prep area for all the teams was abandoned NYC (poll A had it as a battle area as well). We were allowed to use all the materials etc in it- and in the end of our preptime...well, we did this:
http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ap6p14no1.jpg
All the material in the prep area (or enrtire prep area) was made into a battle gear for Hawksmoor and he entered battlefield wearing it. I'm not gone mad, darling...In fact, wearing that "gear" he's technically still in the city, just that the city is merged with his body, so he can act in normally hostile environments like ocean, desert or jungles in our case.
Your complaint is a result of misunderstanding- we didn't prep on battlefield, it's that just for pool A battlefield and prep area were the same. And the size of "city armour" (Jack was teleported to the battlefield wearing it) is much bigger than anything Aquarian's field has ever covered, so your frontliner gets stepped on by our frontliner.

Though he'll be brain dead by that time (anything you can muster is enough for our psi-power to overcome), so not that it matters.

Now, to Brainiac5 part. You clearly are going to impress judges with huge numbers, aren't you? Well, you're not the only one with huge processing capabilities.
Terminatrix amalgam consists not only of Indigo\Brainiac8, but of Engineer as well. Take a glimpse on capacity of her database:
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=authority1104ni8.jpg
Every book in the earth can be fitted into the drop of her blood, and she constantly downloading information into her databases (parasyting on global nets basically):
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=midnighterarmageddon101wp2.jpg

Saying that Brainiac5's processing capabilities are greater that the ones Terminatrix amalgam posess...is pretty stupid. 12th level intellect is a standart for Coluan, and Brainiac8 isn't coluanian retard as well.
http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jennysparks5p14cm8.jpg
Angie also has genius level intellect, something like level 8 on coluan scale. Courtesy to SuperAdaptoid's database we have access to 616 Reed and Doctor Doom abilities, also we have Ultimate Reed and 616 Forge on his disposal.

As for Marty's team, the answer is no- you can't use your teammate's characters unless that was specified by judges. Also you wrote your prep "being as he's non-existent". So no unlimited T-Spheres to you (and most likely instant mind fry).

As for Flash, where do you see Amazo moving on superluminal speed on Earth? If it were so, then case is closed. In the light of "chosen ones", you can copy light speed, but can't transcend it, entering the speedforce. Though the being without any imagination\willpower at all was able to copy GLC ring, so the case is doubtful.

As for Amazos in between, the first pre-crisis one was force fed a few powersets from captured JLA members and couldn't copy anything new barring his original programming. He can't "only copy" then- either you're operating on pre-built in powers and get pwned, or copy everything within your line of sight and get pwned as well, or not copy anything and be useless and get pwned. The Amazo with JLA powers only was pre-fed those powers and didn't copy anything else, as he didn't have power absorbtion capability. Parasyte\Vixen allowed him to go beyond pre-fed powersets *those were limited by JLA big seven, you're right*, and it wasn't as PISy as you try judges to believe.

Brainy is 12th level, and considered a genius among the Coluans. He can go through the double the Library of Congress every second. The entirety of the human race is a 9th level intellect.

As for your ridiculous Amazo comment:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazojla5.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazojla6.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/amazojla7.jpg

You dont mess with Amazo, he is the man I can build him any damn way I want considering Ivo can do whatever he wants, and Brainy can improve on him if need be.

As for Martian, you work together in all prep places. he told me use whatever members of the team you want, but he didnt help in any way. So thus, I used Mr. Terrific. You guys are sure worried about those spheres. Think you will lose if you have no powers? Hell, since I had his entire team used, what would you do if all of our characters copied Gentle Man ghost (the Amazo's) and turned ghostly? Intangiblity ftw. I mean invisible, intangible, and still turning off your powers? Man accept defeat.

As for Jack, your point? With my characters having his powers now, I can talk to the cities just as well. Plus nothing you do will actually hurt Aquarian.

I prepped better than you guys, and can defend better as well. End of debate Short, sweet, and to the point. Arnt you guys happy I stopped being so long winded?

So what? It doesn't state Amazo can copy only those who has JLA membership card- it all shows him copying a bunch of metahumans- not that impressive. Neither it shows him being able to select what power is to copy.

As for Jack part... you clearly want to die here, right? Original one wears that "city gear" acting as life support system, and if you copy just his powers when in jungles... it won't do you any good, I suppose- no access to his urbanopathy at all. Overriding his control over NYC "mecha"? Something along the lines of that was done: a)by planet biomatrix gone haywire; b)using inhibitiors from 70th century; c)timerift created by Perun. Don't think you can replicate any of that...

Yeah, you can go and say you can replicate that with ease. Do that and look even more extrapolative than you already did.

Brainiac8+Engineer+Reeds (Ultimate and 616)+Forge+616 Dr Doom= combination that makes any tech created by Brainiac 5 pretty obsolete. The best part is cosmic awareness bit. And your processing capacity is nothing THAT impressive as I've already stated.

Nothing? Brainwash him into vegetable state and then do whatever we wish with him. Psionic powers work through his field just well. Element Lad\Brainiac5 combination is dealt with that way as well- and sorry I don't get how you're going to transform them into Amazo or whatever.
Black Knight powers are useful in dealing with your ghost template, in fact they're tailor made to do that.

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all righty:

if there is a rule that says you get access to marty's guys in prep, i'd love to see it. far as i was aware it was JUST you. that's what i was planning for in my next match thinking marty wouldn't be around. so . . . where's this rule exactly?

assuming you get the spheres: who cares?

as was explained earlier and meticulously glossed over by you -- forge was ONLY able to create the neutralizing effect BECAUSE he reverse-engineered ROM'S NEUTRALIZER! he did not 'invent' the tech. without access to his MEMORIES you have no way of recreating the neutralizing effect.

and even if someone SOMEHOW thinks you can, FORGE ALSO CREATED A WAY TO COUNTER AND REVERSE THE PROCESS. that's why storm has her powers right now. we specifically stated we were protecting from all outside tampering. you think going against an amazo who MAY have copied forge's powers, forge and reed would somehow NEGLECT to protect themselves from one of forge's own (and likely his GREATEST!) weapon??

b5 -- who cares how fast he can process? it's his creativity that you are straining beyond limits . . .

supersmart=/"do and make whatever the **** BS you can imagine . . ."

nice showing for amazo. i'll see you that and raise you these:

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazo1po1.jpg

http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazo1po1.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazo3mn0.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazo4oh9.jpg

like the first scans, these ones are also all PIS i suppose . . .?

so was adam ripping his head off i presume? conveniently, all low showings are PIS. funny how that happens . . .

you overrate aquarian's invulnerability. he doesn't have enough appearances to say he's as invulnerable as you make him out to be. a psi attack piggy-backed on his own powers should work just fine. sound gets through. light gets through. his own psi powers function. no reason ours shouldn't. besides, i like his shield. i can blink your androids inside it and wipe them out instantly leaving aquarian on his own.

cosmic awareness + instanta-offensive teleporting FTW!!

so, anyway, no speedforce. and obviously no proof that he has EVER used the speedforce . . .

amazo MIMICKS powers. unless you think a guardian gave him his ring? or a god gave him his lasso? no wait -- ivo is smart enough to CREATE a REAL gl ring from nothing right? and a REAL lasso? ivo can do what only the gods can do. wow, creating guardian tech AND god tech. that ivo IS a smart guy. funny then he couldn't turn tornado into a REAL, non-PIS amazo! or that he couldn't figure out a way to keep amazo from getting his head ripped off and his legs blown to ****

so, no speedforce (it chooses, anyway), no power neutralizer (needs the REAL forge's memories and forge can counter and block its effects anyway). savitar has stolen speed from ACROSS THE PLANET! amped by vulcan as he is, stealing your characters speed and the speed of the spheres (wouldn't be NEARLY a million without access to the speedforce to help make them all) wouldn't be any problem at all. once thats done, we can do whatever we want to you.

go intangible and invisible. we have cosmic awareness. you are NOT hiding from us. we have access to magic anyway and can track you (in fact we accounted for that possibility in prep) via tp or astrally. and gentleman ghost is vulnerable to tp assault.

most of our guys (and ALL of mine) appeared as far away from you as the field allowed. we FOCUSED cosmic awareness on you to locate you so we could INTENTIONALLY adapt to whatever nonsense you tried. we ALL move at near-lightspeed with savitar>>lightspeed. we are protected from your neutralizer, your virus and aquarian is only HELPING us.

overwhelming power, PSI power, astral and magical powers and defense and the ability to adapt on the fly ftw.

oh -- and about jan arrah. you chose element lad. you never said ANYTHING, ANYWHERE about a classic version or . . . ANY version. without specifying it is assumed it is CURRENT. current version needs to touch material and changes only last minutes. be like me saying i draft rachel then in mid-match telling everyone it's phoenix rachel. you made a very bad mistake in not specifying classic, or pre-reimagined or whatever. live and learn.

just a bit more about aquarian in case anyone is wondering how we take him out. it also is very plausible that once he is left on his own an adaptoid droid could copy his shield. seems logical to say both shields would cancel each other leaving him injured perhaps or at least vulnerable. we could all grow giant-sized and just step on him. so long as we step . . . slowly . . . we would get through his shield which only blocks thinge with kinetic energy beyond a specific threshhold. or i can just use invisble woman's powers to create a shield AROUND his shield and eliminate him that way. also, i see no reason he can't simply be teleported himself and bfr'd that way.

his limited number of appearances makes it hard to say for sure what would work, but it is likewise pure speculation to suggest these attacks would be INEFFECTIVE. our attacks against him are logical and each should have a chance of working. regardless, he would be left alone against all of us and would have NO WAY of defeating us while we've provided many options that might take him out.

oh, and forgot to mention -- if he does somehow have spheres, at the speed we move, coupled with sersi's transmuting abilities, we could just turn all the spheres into something equally dangerous to us -- like bubbles.

that's all i'll have time for folks. thanks charlotte. been a pleasure.

and bw -- always interesting.

Mr. Terrific:
What? Freaking a, in prep, both teams worktogether....how confusing is that? I have access to Martians team...simple as.

Element Lad:
I told Red who I wanted, and who I didnt. I said Element Lad the one who didnt have a time limit to him, he said fine. You can try your semantics all you want, but I specified to him who I wanted.

Amazo:
You guys act like he is nothing more than a robot...but there is Ivo/Box underneath that machine. The creativity to use his powers to the fullest? all there, as is the needed materials to create one. Having limited materials is what lead to that Red Tornado piece of crap.

You also have to realize that I created him using Inertron. Try all you want, its still the hardest metal in the universe.

As for creating a "gl ring" or a "lasso", he just feed the data into Amazo's absorbtion technology, and it produced it. Theres a reason he comes pre-installed with those powers. Besides, I KEPT the data from last round. Is it that hard to comprehend?

Also, for Aquarian, with his powers he dwindled a man who was a living singularity (yes thats right), he stopped Quasars powers, and someone with the powers of a cosmic cube could not harm him. There is a very SIMPLE way to harm him, its just that you guys do not possess the ability to. Heck, if Quasar could not do anything to him, what makes you think Vulcan can? No psi power can harm him, especially when I have all your powers anyways. All your speculation on his powers....are just that: speculation.

Really now people: They are arguing semantics and downplaying what we all know is true, Amazo is a powerhouse, Brainy is smarter AND more creative then all of them combined, and Aquarian shuts down powers. And my T-Spheres nuetralize their powers in a battlefield wide way. How can they even start using their powers? I mean with Forge, Brainy, Box, Ivo, Ultimate Reed, Mr. Terrific, Batman, ect ect, at our disposal, there is no one that can go against us. As a sidenote, Brainy has created power dampeners before. Just thought you should know before you complain about Forge some more.

Have fun getting de-powered.

i realize this match is closed, but for the judges sake, and because bw did not read the OPENING POST OF THIS MATCH very well . . .

Originally posted by Newjak
Welcome to round 2 of Pool B.

This match will be a week from start time.

Prep is 72 hours long.

The Location: The Amazon Jungle

Judges will be announced soon.


I have not received Opening Posts from Martian_Mind

Thus he forfeits his prep time and the ability for his partner to use his team for prep time.

clearly a little more difficult to comprehend than bw thought it was!

anyway, as i'd said from the outset, no access to any of marty's guys including of course, mr. t.

damn, KNEW i'd read that ^%$#@!* rule somewhere . . .

So this match was over on the 12th, right? It's up for judgment now?

yep.

Who can vote?

Originally posted by Bentley
Who can vote?
The judges, etc.

Originally posted by Ha-Son
The judges, etc.

and the judges are . . .?

I'll post my judgment tomorrow. A lot to consider.

Martian kind of screwed you B-Dub.

Ok, after taking everything into consideration, these are the conclusions I've come to:

1) I've seen no evidence that Amazo could use the speed force and does anything more than mimic super speed. Copying Flash's powers doesn't necessarily mean he gets the genuine article without some sort of proof. He can simulate the effects of any power he encounters, but without evidence of him showing the ability, and also with the scans showing that Amazo doesn't use said powers to the full extent as the progenitor, I can't follow that line of reasoning. Sorry B-Dub.

2) Aquarian's field was a nice touch (an idea stolen from me). However, due to the speed disparity, and the fact that Leo and Charlotte can act before B-Dub's team can react, the teleportation of the other members of his team into Aquarian's proximity and thus nullifying them does seem feasible.

3) A portion of B-Dub's prep was thrown out of the window due to Martian pulling a Trickster.

4) Brainiac 5/Element Lad were under utilized offensively and relegated to a supporting role. B-Dub banked too much on Amazo and Aquarian being his trump cards in my opinion. The computer virus attack and T-Spheres were a nice touch, but due to Martian's absence they aren't on the table. With three days you should have come up with something to counter the numbers disadvantage you found yourself in (and you also should have paid closer attention to the rules).

The main determining factor in my opinion was Savitar. His ability to sap speed, lend speed, and out maneuver B-Dub at the onset of battle kinda sealed it. If I'd seen evidence that Amazo could access the speed force himself this would be a more interesting fight (particularly since he's pretty much the only offensive implement being utilized in this match), but since no evidence was provided, this match pretty much becomes Amazo/Box/Ivo and Element Lad/Brainiac 5 being teleported into the Aquarian's null field, and then B-Dub would likely have to retract the field to free his teammates, and in that moment given Charlotte and Leo's team speed they could move in and take out Firestorm/Brainiac 5 and disable Amazo. I don't think they'd be able to harm Aquarian, but being held hostage in his own force field doesn't really count as a win, and given the speed disparity Aquarian would likely never get the chance to ensnare Charlotte and Leo's characters.

Vote: Charlotte and Leo

B-Dub, you should have used Element Lad/B-5 offensively. You spent far too much time trying to solidify Amazo's standing and didn't bring anything else to the table, and you were already at a disadvantage due to not having Martian present. Also I felt you would have had a better showing with Spartan/Void on the battlefield rather than Aquarian given that tactically you're taking a tech based approach and he offers more offensively.

Ok then I think Ill pretty much said everthing that needs to be said about this match.

BW is going solo which already puts him at a big disadvantage.

I do have a hard time believing that Amazo can use or have access to the speedforce with anything approaching the Flash or Savitor. That in my opinion puts him at another huge disadvantage.

With two power copiers of Amazo and Adaptoid's level on the battle field I generally give it to the more prepared one. Adaptoid just had a little mroe time to prepare for this.

So my vote goes to Leo/Charlotte

good match folks.

unpinning . . .