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ko, kill morality on... world mind upgrade.

fight starts off after rider returns to earth and is stopped by wonderwoman from entering earth atmosphere..

MM tried to link to his mind through wonder woman and was ko'ed by the self defense measures from the world mind.. hurting Wonder woman as well..

wonderwoman took it as an attack and the fight starts..

been done I think
i say Nova

i looked but, whatever if so.. close.

could go either way

nova takes a majority.

nova

Wonder Woman spanks him with her lasso

Nova spanks her with the nova corps

WW

I'd say Diana. She's pretty good at blocky blasty and'd beat him in HtH, so overall has the edge. Good fight.

Close, small majority to Nova methinks.

What can Diana do against gravity manipulation?

Grav weave. Compressed grav pulse to the dome. Yawn.

Diana.

Originally posted by cdtm
What can Diana do against gravity manipulation?

Depends on how it's used. A compressed grav pulse can be blocked or dodged. A heavy gravity field like the one used on Gladiator's cousin will merely slow her down and not take her out, etc..

Originally posted by dmills
Grav weave. Compressed grav pulse to the dome. Yawn.

Exactly

Originally posted by Q99
Depends on how it's used. A compressed grav pulse can be blocked or dodged. A heavy gravity field like the one used on Gladiator's cousin will merely slow her down and not take her out, etc..

That field wasn't heavy. That field was done by Robert Rider, Richard's brother, who had only been a centurion for a short while and has very, very limited access to the Nova Force.

One by Richard Rider, Nova himself, with all his experience in manipulating grav pulses and with the backing of the nova force inside him will definitely make her brain bounce about in her head. I don't think WW can stay conscious.

Originally posted by Psychopath001
That field wasn't heavy. That field was done by Robert Rider, Richard's brother, who had only been a centurion for a short while and has very, very limited access to the Nova Force.

One by Richard Rider, Nova himself, with all his experience in manipulating grav pulses and with the backing of the nova force inside him will definitely make her brain bounce about in her head. I don't think WW can stay conscious.

I can think of him doing a single gravity pulse to KO Moonstone, but that's basically a bolt that WW could block or avoid, it's hardly an insta win there. He still uses grav pulses like *bolts*, it's not like he can just think and make it happen, and that's something WW is quite capable of defending against pretty well. Heck, her forehead is protected by an unbreakable object too and her brain's a lot more resilient than most too.

Also, he specifically said that what Robby did is very difficult and he'd have trouble replicating it even with his greater power.

Woah I don't remember him putting it like that.

I know he said it was very impressive considering Robert was new, but I don't recall him saying he wouldn't be able to do it.

Plus, we all know Nova doesn't like to kill people unless he has no other option. A serious and heavy pulse from the Nova Force would kill moonstone. If he knows just how powerful WW could be, dont you think he'd up the ante? (So to speak)

Originally posted by Psychopath001
Woah I don't remember him putting it like that.

Exact words, "I'm Nova Prime, buster. I pack significantly higher levels of nova force. And I'm telling you, I couldn't have done that."

"Oh come on."

"Seriously. I couldn't have pinner her line that. And I can explode super-star destroyers by coughing. It's not the nova force, Rob. It's what you do with it. I've never known anybody to weave, shape or manipulate gravity fields with the finesse you do. Worldmind says that in six generations, she's never seen a centurion with the intuitive-force skills you've got."


Richie's a lot more powerful but that kind of thing requires a lot of finesse and intuition apparently. He has his own tricks like the pulse he used on Moonstone, but precise control over a sustained period to keep someone that strong pinned is apparently really difficult. So it's not like it can be done to set up an easy pulse to the head, when it requires a lot of concentration to just do the field in the first place.



He can blast her strong enough to do real serious damage, but it'll be, y'know, a blast he needs to hit with. It might hit, it might be blocked. It might take her out if done strong enough, it might just rattle and stun her but not be a win. It's not a sure win, "Use then yawn" like some posts were implying.

Hmm...

I'll admit, you do have a point, though I don't recall ever yawning...

But I do still have another trick in my bag. Deep space.

As far as I know WW can't survive the vacuum without technological assistance. It takes Nova seconds of full power flight to reach space.

He could always just take her there with enough speed she might not be able to react in time. I'm not sure if he's physically more powerful than she is but one thing I'm relatively certain of is that she wont be able to overpower him before she's floating to the moon.

Her reflexes would stop such a blitz not only that but she could just fly back to earth?

Yeah... I don't think it's that simple.

Reflexes really only count for shit if you can over power someone who is grappling you and get out of their way in time. Neither of which she ca do for Nova.

Plus, the Nova Prime is approximately 1000 times more powerful than the average centurion.

The Worldmind guided a single centurion agaisn't Nova in battle, and despite her extreme lack of experience and being severely overmatched, with the help of the worldmind she was able to actually beat Nova.

Do you think that Wonder Woman will somehow win in a fight agaisn't Nova when he's carrying the World Mind about?

And worse comes to worse, lets say she tries to fly back to earth, what's stopping Nova from opening a interlocking his body with hers with a strong grapple and star gating her to the center of the galaxy? How is she going to fly back to earth then?

Average centurions aren't impressive at all not only that but i highly doubt Wonder Woman will be on the defensive threwout the fight she could blitz him from the go and if she lasso's him he's dead. I think you guys need to chill with the Nova wanking a couple high end feats and he's damn near unstoppable? Not so much

Its not a matter of his being unstoppable, it's a matter of more than half of the people I come across thinking they know anything about Nova after only reading some events and a few issues.

The Nova Force was used to power thousands, maybe even close to a million centurions. All that power suddenly goes into one person and you come here to say WONDER WOMAN could beat him!?

It doesn't work as far as I'm concerned.

I know I've seen Nova do some incredible things. I know that Nova is for all intents and purposes, a pussy because he ALWAYS holds back his power ever since the first issue of Annihilation: Nova. I know that Nova was the only person crossed in and out of Kree space, all the while infected by the Phalanx.

And I know that Wonder Woman CAN NOT win this.

If you read Nova comics you would know that there isn't even an argument. These supposed high level feats are things Nova did without the aid of the vast majority of the Nova Force up until when he went up agaisn't Sphinx where he unleashed more of the Nova Force than ever before, and it still hadn't been maxed out.

So why then would you suddenly think Wonder Woman could beat him?

A great many people can beat Nova. Unfortunately Wonder Woman isn't one of them.

I admit I'm a heavy duty Nova fan but I don't over rate him. I just know what I've seen him do and I make my judgement from there.

Been reading Nova since i don't know before WOK started none of his older shit but i have read a butt load of Wonder Woman i already gave you reasons why she wins. Wonder Woman has beaten high level beings too hardly impressive it's called a high end showing. Circe, Hecate, Ares, Nekron all lost to her some multiple times hell two times she's beaten Ares it was during war times . I give Wonder Woman the majority

Why?

What I don't understand is why you possibly think she can win?

Nova withstood a full blat from Galactus. The blast destroyed everything for lightyears around. It even completely decimated Annihilus's warships and flagship. Nova survived that, and not only did he survive it, he also created shields for Star-Lord and Phyla Vell so they would survive it as well.

Then lets not forget the fact that his suit repairs his body and itself even during combat (Though not as fast as a healing factor)

What the hell could Wonder Woman possibly do to win? A punch? A kick? Nova's received far worse from people like the Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock/Ultron and was still standing and ready to go.

How can Wonder Woman actually win?

If Wonder Woman is restricted to punching and kicking i agree . By the way she didn't beat Hecate, Neckron or Ares with punches and kicks maybe you should stop reading Nova for a while and pick up a Wonder Woman book it's not as bad as it seems.

Then let me know exactly how she will beat Nova and if it works, I will humbly admit it works and Nova loses.

But frankly, I sincerely don't see you coming up with anything she could do to win.

Highspeed lasso tag? Or a lasso counter? Like i said once he's lassoed she can pick and choose how he dies. Not saying it works everytime but it's seems more viable than him opening a stargate right between her boobs.

I really doubt the possibility of Wonder Woman actually being able to get her lasso around him. Chances are so insignificant they are negligible.

If that's the only way she can win, then she has a chance of winning, but the majority still goes to Nova..

Not imo, She takes the majority especially if he starts the fight blasting her

You still haven't told me how. How would she take the majority here? Physical fighting is not an option and I know that's her staple. Does she have anything to challenge him? Anything else at all?

You dismissed her bread and butter. You dismissed the reason she was able to defeat multiple skyfather level characters. You are obviously on a Nova high

Originally posted by Psychopath001
You still haven't told me how. How would she take the majority here? Physical fighting is not an option and I know that's her staple. Does she have anything to challenge him? Anything else at all? Nova loses here kid!!

Originally posted by BattleMage
Nova loses here kid!!

Originally posted by iceman24567
You dismissed her bread and butter. You dismissed the reason she was able to defeat multiple skyfather level characters. You are obviously on a Nova high

?

All you gave me was that if she can Lasoo him, she gets to pick how he dies.

I told you the chances of her actually lasooing Nova? That's like trying to shoot spider man.

You come up with one thing that has a very low probability and then accuse me of dismissing it because I'm apparently on a Nova high. Is that all she has in her bag of tricks? Because if that's it then we shouldn't even be having this argument.

By the logic you just gave, Wonder Woman is effectively the most powerful comic book character ever made since all she has to do is lasoo you and kill you with her mind.

LOL yes because she has never lassoed anybody before? She's lassoed Flash, Ares, Nekron, Amazo ect ect. Her lasso is her power she's the goddess of truth so she beats Nova with the lasso of truth. She lasso's him then beats him to a pulp or cuts his head off via tiara or lightning bolt his ass. I shouldn't be having this argument with a Nova fanatic i have no clue why i am even defending Wonder Woman .

Okay, so let me get this straight.

Wonder Woman's lasso is essentially so powerful that whenever a threat presents itself, she could easily just lasso whatever the hell is it and kill it?

Why is this thread even here? Why would anyone even ask who can win or lose a fight with her since all it takes for her to win is to lasso them and the threat comes to an end regardless of how strong or weak the person is?

-_-;

Whether or not I'm a Nova Fanatic would still have nothing to do with this because

a) Either everyone in DC is retarded and made the most undefeatable character ever

or

b) You've completely misinterpreted or exaggerated just what Diana is capable of.

No offense dude, but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The rest of the JLA may as well go on holiday while Wonder Woman goes around lasooing and getting rid of every single threat in a matter of moments.

I'm not saying she can lasso anybody and win thats just what you choose to hear. I'm saying she lassos Nova and wins because she does . You are acting as if lassoing Nova is impossible or something which it isn't

I definitely think Nova will take the majority.

I have never read a Wonder Woman comic in my life.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I definitely think Nova will take the majority.

I have never read a Wonder Woman comic in my life. You must be Psychopath001's twin brother then

Originally posted by iceman24567
I'm not saying she can lasso anybody and win thats just what you choose to hear. I'm saying she lassos Nova and wins because she does . You are acting as if lassoing Nova is impossible or something which it isn't

No one said it's impossible. But if you're banking on her using the lasso to win, then that's not a majority. I mean, for it to be considered a majority for her victory she has to have more than one thing to do.

Nobody likes a one trick pony, and quite frankly, resting all your hopes on one single move of hers? What if she can't lasso him, what then?

What if everytime she tries to lasso him, Worldmind helps him evade. After all, the worldmind did help a simple centurion escape death and the hands of Nova and Gamora by simply directing her and making sure she was not hit once.

What's to say Nova isn't going to do the exact same thing in this situation?

I wouldn't say she wins the majority with the lasso if i didn't think she would use it . So Nova is going to spend the whole fight evading her? Can you guarantee Worldmind will help him evade everytime? Especially while Nova is bloodlusted?

Of course he isn't going to spend the whole fight evading her, but have you ever tried to lasso someone who is punching you? If Nova were to come in close for H2H, assuming she chooses to lasso him then, he would only need to dodge it once before he came in so close that she would not be able to use the lasso.

If he chooses not to go with the H2H option and use energy to fight he's going to be intelligent enough to make sure he remains as far out of range of that thing.

Honestly, she's likely to have a higher chance of victory if she doesn't even use the lasso. I believe her bracelets can do some other things as well. I'm not sure how well they'll fare agaisn't Nova, but I'm petty sure she's going to have more success with them than if she kept trying to lasso him.

I'm pretty sure she could lasso him if need be and h2h with her? Really she would lasso him as soon as he swings. Her bracers are mostly defense good defense at that and she has her tiara she could throw and the whole lightning attack all of that would be her setting him up to get lassoed

I'll have to counter-argue tomorrow. It's so late right now and I'm so tired my eyes are fuzzy

Originally posted by iceman24567
I wouldn't say she wins the majority with the lasso if i didn't think she would use it . So Nova is going to spend the whole fight evading her? Can you guarantee Worldmind will help him evade everytime? Especially while Nova is bloodlusted?


i dont think this is a bloodlusted fight no? cant he just gate her outside earth's atmosphere? she gets ko'ed. then he goes to pick her up for some good tlc. emphasis on the lovin and carin..... cause thats just the kind of guy he is..

still Nova

I'm not too knowledgeable on WW, I admit. Has she ever lassoed anyone THRU a force field before (not a personal bio-aura force field like Supes)? Because, that's basically Nova's primary defensive ability.

pretty much what I was thinking.
Nova could keep the lasso at bay via gravity force field

He'll bed her within 2 hrs.

The lasso isn't much of an option here with gravity in play. He can simply make her too heavy to move and blast away. She wouldn't be able to touch Nova Prime if he didn't want her to.

Originally posted by the ninjak
He'll bed her within 2 hrs.

The bed would break within the first .00002 seconds.

Is this Nova Prime, because if it isn't Diana wins. She was able to break down force fields with her lasso, affect phasing martians, and speedsters, so the Lasso is a viable option.

Originally posted by dmills
The lasso isn't much of an option here with gravity in play. He can simply make her too heavy to move and blast away. She wouldn't be able to touch Nova Prime if he didn't want her to.

has he ever used his powers to contain someone like this though?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Is this Nova Prime, because if it isn't Diana wins. She was able to break down force fields with her lasso, affect phasing martians, and speedsters, so the Lasso is a viable option.

We have to assume Nova Prime cuz pitting a Nova Centurion against WW would be like pitting a 2-year old girl against Brock Lesner.

SPLAT.

Originally posted by Psychopath001
Okay, so let me get this straight.

Wonder Woman's lasso is essentially so powerful that whenever a threat presents itself, she could easily just lasso whatever the hell is it and kill it?

Why is this thread even here? Why would anyone even ask who can win or lose a fight with her since all it takes for her to win is to lasso them and the threat comes to an end regardless of how strong or weak the person is?

-_-;

Whether or not I'm a Nova Fanatic would still have nothing to do with this because

a) Either everyone in DC is retarded and made the most undefeatable character ever

or

b) You've completely misinterpreted or exaggerated just what Diana is capable of.

No offense dude, but it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The rest of the JLA may as well go on holiday while Wonder Woman goes around lasooing and getting rid of every single threat in a matter of moments. LMFAO!!! She'd just be lassoing the hell out of people!

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
We have to assume Nova Prime cuz pitting a Nova Centurion against WW would be like pitting a 2-year old girl against Brock Lesner.

SPLAT.

Yeah, well putting a girl against Nova Prime would be like putting a pitbull against a wolf! SPLAT!

He's a pretty noble guy.
If she lassoed him it's pretty much fight over after he tells her everything she wants to know.
He is fast enough to evade her while applying the gravity with will slow her down, also the blasts would force her into defensive stances.
She has a more immediate ability to restrain him though I don't see her method giving her more wins.

Forcefield around the groin area ftw!

BTW, the lasso has also BFR, so she could have that option as well.

nova can bfr too however

Originally posted by Warlord
has he ever used his powers to contain someone like this though? It's gravity bro. He can make it as durable as it needs to be as evidenced by the Galactus event. He's even contained a being that was intangible in it.

no doubt he could just asking if he has used it this way

Like I said, would be nice to know if WW has used the lasso to breach force fields before. I'd like to see the scans of this happening. Otherwise, I don't see how the Lasso can even touch Nova.

Of course, I don't see Nova winning any close ranged fights with WW, but with the Worldmind helping him out, he should easily discern the fact that WW is a close combat specialist and simply keep away from her while peppering her with energy blasts and using his force fields to fend off her limited ranged attacks like her lasso.

Except Wonder Woman has a shield of her own and a ranged ability as well

good.
they shot at each other's shields

Originally posted by Psychopath001
Okay, so let me get this straight.

Wonder Woman's lasso is essentially so powerful that whenever a threat presents itself, she could easily just lasso whatever the hell is it and kill it?

Why is this thread even here? Why would anyone even ask who can win or lose a fight with her since all it takes for her to win is to lasso them and the threat comes to an end regardless of how strong or weak the person is?

It's not like getting the lasso on someone is automatic, but it is a very powerful weapon that if she gets on someone gives a very telling edge that often spells victory.


Also, she's very powerful even without it. I think your problem is you're looking at it from a Nova-centric PoV. Nova's very strong, but WW's a herald level character as well with a wide variety of threats and powers.

Originally posted by Psychopath001
Why?

What I don't understand is why you possibly think she can win?

Nova withstood a full blat from Galactus. The blast destroyed everything for lightyears around. It even completely decimated Annihilus's warships and flagship. Nova survived that, and not only did he survive it, he also created shields for Star-Lord and Phyla Vell so they would survive it as well.

Then lets not forget the fact that his suit repairs his body and itself even during combat (Though not as fast as a healing factor)

What the hell could Wonder Woman possibly do to win? A punch? A kick? Nova's received far worse from people like the Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock/Ultron and was still standing and ready to go.

How can Wonder Woman actually win?

What's wrong with punching and kicking? It's very strong, she's very skilled in melee (one of the most skilled Herald levelers in melee period) and won't use just one or two but keep at it, and while Nova took hits from those people, they did definitely hurt. Wonder Woman won't just let up after one hit.


Also, she has a tiara that can cut through anything. WW slit Superman's throat with it, what make you think the same wouldn't threaten Nova? (people have been talking about the lasso and shields, which it can't really penetrate, but an edged object with a cut-all enchantment may do fine).

Her bracers can produce the lightning of Zeus in powerful blasts, and have blocked Darksied's omega effect, which is rather a more concentrated attack than Galactus's big blast there.


Diana has a variety of ways to win/threats.

Originally posted by Q99
It's not like getting the lasso on someone is automatic, but it is a very powerful weapon that if she gets on someone gives a very telling edge that often spells victory.

Also, she's very powerful even without it. I think your problem is you're looking at it from a Nova-centric PoV. Nova's very strong, but WW's a herald level character as well with a wide variety of threats and powers.

You are absolutely right. I AM looking at it from a Nova Centric point of view, but that doesn't mean I am wrong!

She is powerful without the lasso, I even stated it myself. She actually has a better chance of victory using her bracers and other things than she does actually using the lasso.



Better fighter than Nova, I can agree she is. But I can tell you this much, she will NEVER beat Nova in hand to hand combat. More than anything else, more than anything Nova ever displays, his resilience for pain and the level of difficulty it presents bringing his life to an end is by far his major advantage.

Can Wonder Woman fight Nova hand to hand and be superior at it, yes, because although Nova has been trained by the original Nova Prime as well as Drax the Destroyer, he does not have nearly as much experience with hand to hand combat as she does. But can she win with it?

I say thee nay. Simply because I don't think she is physically capable of killing Nova with her bare hands.



Also a good point, but if you go back to the incident concerning Galactus's blast, you will notice two things.

1) Nova was protecting two other people at the time of the blast, to make sure their lives weren't brought to an end right then and there.

2) He was not hurt, but not even seriously harmed by the incident.

The lightning Diana calls down may be powerful, but considering Nova has been in the heated core of Galactus's ship's engine room, withstood the blast I referred to earlier at it's most intense, close to Galactus, has been to the core of a dying planet, and has gone hand to hand with the likes of the silver surfer without any significant damage, I think I can say that he is more than capable of surviving several blasts from the bracers lightning (That is my speculation, if the measurements you're giving of the lightning bolts are accurate).

Another fact about Nova you might be interested in knowing. The more of the Nova force he calls on, the harder it is to beat him. Think of it like how the hulk keeps getting angrier and therefore my powerful. Nova gets desperate and reaches deeper and deeper into the Nova force, looking for a solution.

The more of the Nova force he calls on, the more powerful his attacks get, and the faster his suit heals his body and repairs itself.

There was an incident, I think it was during the War of Kings, where Nova was pretty hurt. In two panels ALL the damage was -gone-. Or maybe it was right before the secret invasion, on Galactus's ship... I can't remember precisely.


Diana can win this, but I put her chances of victory waaaaay below 50%.

And for the record, Nova once used a nova force blast that was off the scale in order to lobotomize Ego, the living planet.

A fight stopper.

http://img38.imageshack.us/i/nova32lerajecps012.jpg/



Game over.

http://img215.imageshack.us/i/nova25oroborosdcp028.jpg/
http://img4.imageshack.us/i/nova25oroborosdcp029.jpg/
http://img88.imageshack.us/i/nova25oroborosdcp030.jpg/



Or better yet, Diana could end up like this...

http://img529.imageshack.us/i/annihilation1019vu8.jpg/

And this...


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Nova2/novagamora.jpg

Not really

nova should take his place among other powerhouses in the comics community...he's not the inexperienced rookie he once was

He is a powerhouse but he aint trans level . He's part of the Mightiest heroes in the Galaxy line-up

who said anything about trans level?

Thats what I'm getting from the Nova centric group.

Originally posted by iceman24567
That's what I'm getting from the Nova centric group. No. And that's kind of a cop out man. We are simply making our case. Looking at some of your statements you seem to believe that Diana wins just by virtue of being Wonder Woman-- That seems to be a more fanboyish stance IMO.

Not a cop out the other guy declared Wonder Woman had no chance which is ridiculous and it's quite obvious he reads little if any Wonder . Yes i am a Wonder Woman fanboy

Not arguing that Nova wins this. I'm pretty much undecided. Would like to know what tactics WW would use to pull wins against Nova. I really don't see the lasso becoming as much as an auto-win as a lot of people are saying here.

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Originally posted by Psychopath001

Better fighter than Nova, I can agree she is. But I can tell you this much, she will NEVER beat Nova in hand to hand combat. More than anything else, more than anything Nova ever displays, his resilience for pain and the level of difficulty it presents bringing his life to an end is by far his major advantage.

Everyone goes down with enough damage. Resilience to pain prevents one from dropping fast but it doesn't prevent the damage from happening, and that's what grants the win.

WW also has taken extreme levels of pain and damage without dropping too. Minutes after she and Superman beat each other to a pulp in Sacrifice they were both heroing again, and she was just fine for taking on a trio of Alpha OMACs (the class of OMACs designated for taking on Superman types).



Quite frankly yes. She can take down kryptonians and gods in melee. Anyone who's herald level toughness can be taken down by her.



But also it was spread across an entire solar system and with an epicenter quite a distance from him. That reduces the damage a lot, square cubed rule and all. He just had to spend some energy to defend against the small portion that hit him.



The blasts probably won't one-shot him, but considering they're able to blast back wargods and ash Ivo made battle androids (also of note- she can keep it going for awhile, it doesn't have to be a quick blast, if someone's caught between she can keep a currant going), he's not going to like taking them and they can also be used as a set-up to further attacks.

It's a powerful tactical tool. Same as the tiara, useful for piercing defenses and attacking vital spots, or the lasso, useful for restraining or reducing capabilities or also just as a weapon.




Yea, but there are limits, and attacks of this level will still dish damage faster than he can repair.



I put them at above 50% (though with a good share of wins for Nova too).


Nova's quite powerful, but Diana's had enough upgrades to move into the high herald category, and even before upgrades she was pretty far up in the mid-heralds.

Also, power aside, WW's a very good tactician and uses her options well.




By being within his brain. That makes it quite a bit easier.


Just to make things clear, I'm a Nova fan too, his book is great and I think he deserves a ton of respect, I just give Diana the nod in a fight.



Can be blocked or avoided by speeding out of the blast radius. Also hard to tell how much damage it'd do to a herald-toughness target, it might just cause a lot of damage but not finish things.

A *potential* fight stopper, perhaps, but not without counter.

I don't think either fighter has something that'll grant them a win every time just because they try it. This isn't a fight of that kind.



Out of character. I do wish people wouldn't try and turn so many WW threads into sex things.



Agreed.

LOL at her never being able to beat him in h2h LOL

@q99

You know what? You're right. It was more my lame attempt at humor about Nova being a ladies man than about WW. Diana has without question earned her place among the best of the best.

She still has needs imo

With regards to h2h, it should be noted that Nova casually dispatched of Gamora in CQC FWIW. I consider Gamora to be Diana's superior in CQC, (Not strength wise of course ) but that another debate.

Imo Gamora is overrated but then again so is Wonder Woman's h2h capabilities

for me even the fact that Nova is starting to be appreciated as equal to WW's power level is fine.

I remember creating the same thread some months ago and most people were thinking this wasn't even a fight

Originally posted by Warlord
for me even the fact that Nova is starting to be appreciated as equal to WW's power level is fine.

I remember creating the same thread some months ago and most people were thinking this wasn't even a fight Ditto. It means we're making progress.

Originally posted by Warlord
for me even the fact that Nova is starting to be appreciated as equal to WW's power level is fine.

I remember creating the same thread some months ago and most people were thinking this wasn't even a fight

Yea, I have a hard time picturing it being anything but an all-out, majorly destructive epic battle.

Originally posted by dmills
With regards to h2h, it should be noted that Nova casually dispatched of Gamora in CQC FWIW. I consider Gamora to be Diana's superior in CQC, (Not strength wise of course ) but that another debate.


He ain't beatin her H2H. No way no how... He has to use his various abilities cause she is just way too skilled and experienced. I do think he wins a slight majority. Unless her lasso or tiara connects.

I'm thinking he can repel them though pretty easily...
If this nova recruit can do this, he should be able to repel objects that are even more damaging or projected with even more power...
http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nova2808.jpg/

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He ain't beatin her H2H. No way no how... He has to use his various abilities cause she is just way too skilled and experienced. I do think he wins a slight majority. Unless her lasso or tiara connects.

I'm thinking he can repel them though pretty easily...
If this nova recruit can do this, he should be able to repel objects that are even more damaging or projected with even more power...
http://img28.imageshack.us/i/nova2808.jpg/ Ah, but notice that I made a distinction between h2h and cqc. There's a difference .

Nice find btw. Morrow using gravity to repel those spikes.

Originally posted by dmills
Ah, but notice that I made a distinction between h2h and cqc. There's a difference .

Nice find btw. Morrow using gravity to repel those spikes.


yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.

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going by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.

Also, Wondy does have non-HtH CQC options too.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
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going by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.

The "Page not found" makes a compelling argument.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
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going by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith. Nah. The Xenith fight is an outlier. Prime was just freaking out over Robbie. Most of his fights in cqc he mixs grav manipulation with h2h. i.e. Drax etc.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
yeah but the distinction b/n the 2 is still small. when in close quarters, 2 physical class 100's would more often than not resort to h2h. even NP resorts to h2h when in close quarters combat against a physical powerhouse as shown against Gladiator's cousin Xenith.

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previe...nova28page1.jpg
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going by feats and skill, Wondy should be > Xenith.

woops posted the wrong links.... fight went more like this...
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Yep. He did fight h2h when he was pissed. But once he realized that Robbie was alive he calmed down and went back to being the cerebral assassin that we know and love.

Yeah, the Xenith fight really puts the Surfer's current durability into show too. Even at full confidence (at the start) Nova was making Xenith bleed with his punches. While the Surfer took a direct hit at full power and shrugged it off like nothing.

Hmm, Nova does have effective ways of avoiding the lasso and tiara, and if he combines his gravity manip along with the worldmind running strategies i think he cud get a slight majority due to fighting smart.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yeah, the Xenith fight really puts the Surfer's current durability into show too. Even at full confidence (at the start) Nova was making Xenith bleed with his punches. While the Surfer took a direct hit at full power and shrugged it off like nothing. Yep. It also helps that he was actually trying to hurt Xenith as opposed to whinning "We were once a team blah blah blah" like he did with Norrin.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yeah, the Xenith fight really puts the Surfer's current durability into show too. Even at full confidence (at the start) Nova was making Xenith bleed with his punches.

Because the psionic dampener in his helmet shorted out his invulnerability temporarily. He says so in the scans.

And besides, Richard wasn't really trying to fight Surfer, and likely wasn't tapping close to the full Nova Force, like he did against Sphinx...

Originally posted by cdtm
Because the psionic dampener in his helmet shorted out his invulnerability temporarily. He says so in the scans.

And besides, Richard wasn't really trying to fight Surfer, and likely wasn't tapping close to the full Nova Force, like he did against Sphinx... We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But I'm not ready to open that can of worms yet...

As to D Dude's comment on the lasso, I'm pretty sure the Lasso can subdue Nova. It's affected intangible beings, GL's with force fields, gotten past Supes aura, and driven away Hectate.

Since it's magical in nature, I'll put my money on the lasso putting down Nova. Ultimately.

Originally posted by dmills
Yep. It also helps that he was actually trying to hurt Xenith as opposed to whinning "We were once a team blah blah blah" like he did with Norrin.

Not arguing about Nova's mindset.

He DID give full gravimetric on each hand. Basically, full power. Meaning he wasn't holding back.

Don't think he was scared of actually hurting the Surfer that time. I think he felt that he had to give it his all just to get the Surfer's attention.

With so many lives on the line that time, I really don't see any reason for Nova to be holding anything back.

Originally posted by cdtm
Because the psionic dampener in his helmet shorted out his invulnerability temporarily. He says so in the scans.


The psionic dampener was introduced later on. At the start of the fight where Nova was whaling on Xenith, she was bleeding.

Hey! I'm prolly as big a Nova fan as you guys are. Tho, I really tend to set his power levels very much below that of the Surfer. Slightly below Gladiator level, too. Tho, admittedly, recently Norrin is being shown as being in a class on his own.

It's his fighting tactics (with the help of the Worldmind) that makes him so dangerous. Having the level of situational awareness he gets as well as a myriad of tactical resources available to him mid-combat is simply awesome. This coupled with the versatility of the Novaforce makes him a viable threat to any herald-level opponent.

Maaan, if Surfer had Worldmind with him, he'd be unstoppable...!

Worldmind: "Norrin, you noob, stop trying to energy blast him, shrink down, enter his brain and take him down from there!!!"

S'why he's now my fave character. Topping even Norrin and Thor.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Not arguing about Nova's mindset.

He DID give full gravimetric on each hand. Basically, full power. Meaning he wasn't holding back.

Don't think he was scared of actually hurting the Surfer that time. I think he felt that he had to give it his all just to get the Surfer's attention.

With so many lives on the line that time, I really don't see any reason for Nova to be holding anything back.



The psionic dampener was introduced later on. At the start of the fight where Nova was whaling on Xenith, she was bleeding.

Hey! I'm prolly as big a Nova fan as you guys are. Tho, I really tend to set his power levels very much below that of the Surfer. Slightly below Gladiator level, too. Tho, admittedly, recently Norrin is being shown as being in a class on his own.

It's his fighting tactics (with the help of the Worldmind) that makes him so dangerous. Having the level of situational awareness he gets as well as a myriad of tactical resources available to him mid-combat is simply awesome. This coupled with the versatility of the Novaforce makes him a viable threat to any herald-level opponent.

Maaan, if Surfer had Worldmind with him, he'd be unstoppable...!

Worldmind: "Norrin, you noob, stop trying to energy blast him, shrink down, enter his brain and take him down from there!!!"

S'why he's now my fave character. Topping even Norrin and Thor. Please don't misunderstand me! My point was about Nova always tending to whine when facing psuedo allies. On a normal day he ain't touching SS

Originally posted by dmills
Please don't misunderstand me! My point was about Nova always tending to whine when facing psuedo allies. On a normal day he ain't touching SS Co-sign

Don't know how this argument somehow shifted to Silver Surfer but I'll comment on it anyway.

I think the primary problem here is a matter of how rigid the minds of a lot of people are... once you're used to looking at people with a certain power level, it's usually hard to imagine some lowbie suddenly rising in the ranks all of a sudden, but I will say this much:

A certain level of power can drive someone insane. Something I'm sure we can all agree on is that is a staple of Marvel. First person who got the entire power of the Nova force was some dude who called himself Super Nova, went insane almost immediately.

The first time the Worldmind was brought into Nova, Nova had access to the full power of it all and almost lost his mind in about five panels.

You say Nova wasn't holding back agaisn't Silver Surfer, and I agree. However, when it comes to Nova, the statement 'holding back', cannot be applied the same way as you would apply to other people. During his fight with SS (Not much of a fight, I'll admit), he was not holding back in terms of giving it his all. No doubt about that. But was he using the entirety of the Nova force at that time? No. Because if he was, he would have become irrational again.

He and SS traded blows, so to speak, and I do remember his hitting SS at one point in time and SS showed signs of quite a bit of pain. I think he also hit Nova at that same time.

What do you think would happen if Nova were to let loose EVERYTHING at once at SS? Will Nova lose his mind permanently? More than likely. But will SS still be standing after that? I sincerely doubt it.

Even in his fight agaisn't Sphinx, he stated he was using more of the Nova Force than hed'd used, and he was able to go agaisn't Sphinx, more or less. His judgement was getting impaired but he was certainly not mad yet, which means even then he still hadn't released all the barriers and so forth holding back the rest of the Nova Force.

I don't think SS will be defeated by Nova even if that were to happen for the simple reason that Silver Surfer's durability is bordering on ridiculous. I suppose that's one thing he has that would let him take down Nova almost every single time.

But don't make it seem like SS shows up, pimpslaps Nova into a coma and then runs off, because Nova is below the surfer power wise, but he is not 'very much below'.

But SS and Nova is a different situation than this thread, so let me get back to wonderwoman.

Q99
You said that all things go down with enough damage, which I agree to, so you should understand that this goes both ways.

Reason I don't think Nova will go down in melee? Because it's not a fight where he's getting injured and just keeps coming back. I'm talking about the fact that though he keeps getting injured, he also keeps getting repaired.

Also, like you said, WW has withstood a lot of pain before, but even she has her limits on bodily damage. What would happen if Richard were to give a continued, extremely powerful blast of the Nova Force at her, essentially nonstop. If there's one thing Nova has over WW, it's flight speed, so what happens if he maintains his blast on her but keeps flying back as she's chasing him to try to get closer?

Most reason I know Nova wins this is because he functions well on two playing fields. He may not be able to beat WW in melee but he will sure as hell **** her ass up when it comes to long range fighting. He can hold his own agaisn't her in Melee long enough to gain the advantage.

But WW's going to keep delivering powerful blows in rapid succession, and repairing still takes some time and is power not being used for other things.

The lightning can be kept on in a constant zap too.



Then WW keeps the bracers up and nulls it entirely, and try her own ranged attacks when an opportunity comes up. Nova needs to get more clever than that since a strait forward approach has it's own problems.


Also, while he's faster in flight, WW's still pretty darn fast, and I'm not sure if he could outpace her while putting *that* much power into blasting.

I won't pretend to know how you're thinking but right now it seems like you're living under the assumption that Nova stands there and takes the punches. Nova is very highly trained in hand to hand combat despite his not using it all that often. Wonder Woman's blows will have even less of an effect because she is fighting with an individual who not only will it take several of her punches to wound him (and that goes both ways), but who will also be doing his best to block and dodge her attacks. He is by no means a slacker when it comes to bruiser fighting.

And yea, the lightning can be kept on constant zap, but

a) Nova, unlike Wonder Woman, has forcefield that comes in useful for things like this,

and

b) Assuming she is already facing an endless onslaught and continued blast from Richard, she is not likely to even be able to gather the sort of mentality it takes to call down lightning. This isn't a laser gun or cyclops blast we're talking about. We're talking about the raw energy of the Nova force. Very few people just shrug that off.



I'm not particularly a WW fan so I'm not sure what you mean by 'Nulls it entirely', could you explain?

And as for the faster, I wasn't just talking about flight. I was also talking about reflexes and muscle movements. The more of the Nova force he uses, the more physically capable he comes, so assuming he is ready to go at someone as powerful as Wonder Woman and has the appropriate power reserve, I see him being fast enough in Melee to present a very serious challenge to her.

Keep in mind, she's fought with that kind of person pretty often. Yes, he has skills, but she's better (part of which is due to her high HtH speed, which I'l go into more depth on later), and a few hits will turn into more as she takes advantage of wounds.

It doesn't take many hits from her to inflict significant damage on Superman and similar when she's going all-out, and he's also a trained hand to hand fighter with a lot of strength and toughness (lesser kryptonians like Supergirl go down right-fast).

He's no slacker, she's just that good.



Her bracers were made from Zeus's shield and have what is called the Aegis effect. Nothing that hits them does damage, akin to Captain America's shield, and furthermore when they're crossed in front of her they make a circular forcefield that blocks her entire body from attacks from that side totally.

Blasts by Ares at full power, Darksied's Omega Effect, even Nekron's death blasts, all have been blocked entirely.


So if Nova just blasts Wonder Woman at full strait-on, simply crossing her arms in front of her and flying head on will protect her completely. A side-shot or such would be needed.



Oh, her reflexes are one of her best areas, so I wouldn't count on even an amped Nova doing too well there. In terms of reflexes/hand speed, she's faster than Superman and has hit the likes of Wally West and Zoom.

He can probably make her work when he's really amped, but it's still going into her area where Wonder Woman has both melee speed and skill that's exceptional even for herald levelers.

Alright, you're better than I thought :P

I'm going to have to pull out all the stops for this one.



When it comes to going all out with hand to hand combat, then I have this much to say. Richard doesn't lack discipline, but simply just feels more comfortable using the Nova force to fight. However, when he is presented with a threat very up close, and has to, for whatever reason, go hand to hand with the opponent, he can access to Xandarian Worldming and immediately receives knowledge of Xandarian martial arts, most of which combine a combination of hand to hand fighting as well as energy attacks.

How would WW act if she is facing someone with equal strength and speed, and though he may have less melee experience than she does, mixes his blows with powerful bursts of the Nova Force (Keep in mind that Nova reduced one of the Luminals to nothing but skeletal structure with one accidental blast). How is she going to overcome a fighting style like that? Especially since it's upclose, cancelling out the possibility of her crossing her bracers, but also being much wider than an individual bracer can handle?



Unfortunately, being faster than superman doesn't really count for much nowadays.

But I will bring up another solution. A stargate. Opening a stargate inside the atmosphere of a planet can cause incredible and mostly irreversable damage to the surrounding area and people.

If she and Wonder Woman were up close and personal, in a split second, he could open a stargate right where they are and both of them will find themselves in space in a matter of seconds. What happens then?

Meh this guy didnt even know she has her own shield

What's your point..?

My point is you should read up on the character you are debating against before you claim she has no chance of beating Nova that's my point just saying

So basically you're saying that because I didn't know Wonder Woman had a shield I'm therefore not entitled to be in an argument concerning her?

Basically what I'm saying is how can you honestly debate against her if you dont even know what the character is capable of. That's why I said you should read a couple Wonder Woman comics before saying she stands no chance that's basically what I'm saying

Yeah but what you're saying doesn't add up.

You're telling me I should go read a couple wonder woman comics. What gives you the impression I haven't read Wonder Woman once in a while?

Did I ever at any point in time say I haven't read Wonder Woman before? I've read when she got blinded, I've read when she killed Maxwell Lord. And I have the Infinity Crisis arc on my comp (Admittedly, it's not about her, but still)

So I didn't know one thing she could do (making shields, which doesn't make much of a difference to the fight ANYWAY).

And because I'm not a WW expert I therefore shouldn't argue?

^See I would have said you aren't a Wonder Woman expert therefor you shouldn't argue if that's what I meant. I'm saying you should read up on her before saying she has no chance against somebody of Novas calibre that's all stop trying to put words on my mouth. Reading a couple Wonder Wpmsn comics obviously isnt enough if you still think she gets stomp . You could just flip threw her respect thread.

I already did go through her respect thread! And I frankly do still think she has no chance.

The reason I'll say so now is the same reason I have always been saying it.

Not even a matter of speaking of raw power, I won't even bring that issue into it since it's so controversial, but she is already at major disadvantage because of three simple things: She can't breathe in space, Nova has the tactical advantage of the most advanced supercomputer in the universe who can upload valuable skills and information into his brain, cutting short any learning process, and three: Nova can open a stargate into a random location in the galaxy in a second.

No amount of her feats can EVER change those three things. And that is why I stick firmly to what I am saying. I don't need to be a WW expert to know she has no chance.

Not that she isn't strong. I just don't SEE any way of her winning. I can't see much that she can do!

Psycho: I don't agree with you but I'll be damned if I argue against giving Nova the respect he deserves! :P

Whatever I give Wonder Woman 7/10 against Rich

Bottomline, you can't block gravity. Let's say Nova fires what WW thinks is a blast, she blocks it, but it's really not a blast, it's Nova placing a grav node around her. If she blocks it, she's done.

Same way Nova would overcome the lasso? Its obvious that this match isnt one sided in anyway but I dont think Nova takes the majority

This match is very heavily one sided >.>

Originally posted by iceman24567
Whatever I give Wonder Woman 7/10 against Rich

^your opinion is noted too bad you are pretty much the only person who thinks so. Still think Wonder Woman takes this 7/10

Originally posted by iceman24567
Whatever I give Wonder Woman 7/10 against Rich 7/10?!

And you seem to be the only person who believes that dodging gravity and avoiding a lasso are the same thing.

LOL you seem so suprised that I am saying 7/10 but the pro Nova cat calls it a one sided stomp yet you have no problem with his posts Lol for shame

Originally posted by dmills
Bottomline, you can't block gravity. Let's say Nova fires what WW thinks is a blast, she blocks it, but it's really not a blast, it's Nova placing a grav node around her. If she blocks it, she's done. So the lasso is tantamount to gravity?

Originally posted by Psychopath001
And you seem to be the only person who believes that dodging gravity and avoiding a lasso are the same thing. Again putting words in my mouth quote me saying they are the samething

Originally posted by dmills
So the lasso is tantamount to gravity? Going in circles I dont see you changing my mind about this match and I highly doubt I will be changing your mind agree to dissagree

I think the major problem here is that you're living in denial. Either that or you're just not listening.

When I say one sided I don't mean Wonder Woman wouldn't do any damage.

When I say one sided what I mean is simply this: I can think of several foolproof ways for Nova to win this, but I cannot think of any foolproof ways for Wonder Woman to win. Which is why I call it one sided. I'm not saying he spanks her like he's her daddy, but put simply, I cant think of anything she can do that will put Nova down permanently in a way that one can decide the battle is over. I cannot see anything she would do that would KO this guy.

And for the record, her lasso isn't going to break through one of the Worldmind's gravimetric shields.

She's damaged skyfather level beings threwout her career but Nova would stomp her easily in your opinion yeah I'm living in denial I guess the other 4 or so people who agree with me are living in denial too. Whatever she wins 7/10 imo

Styles make fights. The match up is simply in his favor in this one, much like Hal is IMO a bad match up for Nova. Nova's strengths happen to play well off of her weaknessess.

I guess it's the second one. You just don't listen.

I never said Nova would stomp her easily. I said the fight was one-sided. One sided because I can't see anything Wonder Woman has actually putting Nova down. His durability is incredible and for when he does get hurt he begins to auto-repair.

She could keep coming at him over and over and he'd still be standing. On the other hand, he could just take her to the center of the galaxy in 2 seconds flat and leave her ass there.

Instead of getting all emotional about the situation sit back and look at it without being biased. You'll see what I am saying is absolutely true. And I don't need to be an expert on Wonder Woman to know it.

Dmills actually put perfectly what I've been trying to say ALL this time. It's not a matter of power level, it's a matter of these two people not being properly matched. Nova has so many advantages over her.

So get over it.

Nova wins.

Getover your Nova wanking she can take a majority. I find it funny that you call me biased when you are obviously a fanboy. I think its a decent match up she has physical abilities along with her gear that should keep her in the fight keep her in the fight long enough to either wrap him up which she does to people every other issue of her comic its hardly a bad match up stylistically IMO at least

Whoa, Psycho... Tune down the attitude, man. Nova won't get due respect if you behave that way. :-/

Originally posted by dmills
Styles make fights. The match up is simply in his favor in this one, much like Hal is IMO a bad match up for Nova. Nova's strengths happen to play well off of her weaknessess.

I disagree. Ranged blasting is not a particular weakness of hers, in large part because hitting her with powerful blasts generally means attacking from unexpected angles, which generally means not keeping at too much distance. She has the reaction to hit high-speed targets, and significant threats at both close and medium range.




I don't think anyone has said a sure fire way for either fighter to win. Stargate won't do it, hanging back and blasting won't do it, gravity manipulation won't do it. All can be avoided or have counters.



Cut his throat, wrap him in the lasso and slam him into stuff, hit him with a barrage of close attacks until he's KOed, keep a continual charge of Zeus's lightning on him so he's too stunned to fight back effectively. That's 4 right there.

He can just be beaten down, his healing is not so impressive that that won't work. Nova's tough and all but I don't know where you're getting the impression that he can't be taken out by herald level melee fighting.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Whoa, Psycho... Tune down the attitude, man. Nova won't get due respect if you behave that way. :-/ trying to shove your opinion down peoples throats is the wrong way to go. Either way I'm done with him and his fanboy bs good call though

Nova was Destroyer level trained.

All things go down with time, and I know that given enough time, anyone, no matter how tough they are, can be taken down by Melee. My point of it is though: The length of time it would take for WW to actually defeat Nova through the use of Melee would have been a situation where Nova would have found a way to beat her. You say gravity, stargates and blasting won't do it, but what makes you think that they can't?

Fact of the matter is that as long as Richard has the Worldmind I can't ever really picture myself saying that he is going to get defeated by WW melee. The Worldmind could observe WW's fighting style, and upload into Rich's brain fighting techniques that would help to give him the upper hand.

And the thing about those four that you gave for knocking Nova out? We went through that before, and I gave the most sensible reasons I could come up with with why they wouldn't be as effective as they might sound.



So when someone says something you can't find a sensible reason to disagree with, your last line of defense is to call them a danboy and then run off?

So you didnt call me biased? Emotional? All the while trying to shove yoir biased opinion down my throat. IMO that's a very good reason to call a Nova fanboy a fanboy then running off because i rather not get warned for calling you out on your biased point of view.

Originally posted by Psychopath001
His durability is incredible and for when he does get hurt he begins to auto-repair.


The Aegis vambraces are one hell of an equalizer though.

They're fantastic defenses against just about anything, up to skyfather level attacks and even exotic attacks like the Canary Cry. Being able to block gravity isn't out of the question.

How do you block gravity?

Originally posted by iceman24567
So you didnt call me biased? Emotional? All the while trying to shove yoir biased opinion down my throat. IMO that's a very good reason to call a Nova fanboy a fanboy then running off because i rather not get warned for calling you out on your biased point of view.

I did call you biased, because I think you've been biased from the very start. Nova is my second favorite marvel character right after Beta Ray Bill, and yeah I'm pretty close to being a fanboy, I'll admit that, but I don't let it impair my judgement.

I didn't shove my opinion down your throat, I said what I believed, and gave you a chance to say yours. You didn't come up with anything we hadn't already argued about but instead started shortening your points to one-liners based on that you think WW would win. Then when I ask how no good reason surfaces.

And I did call you emotional because of your posts before that. Go look at the two posts, the one sent to dmills about me and the one to me right before that. You were already getting hostile towards me, if that isn't emotional then I don't know what you'd describe it as.

Originally posted by cdtm
The Aegis vambraces are one hell of an equalizer though.

They're fantastic defenses against just about anything, up to skyfather level attacks and even exotic attacks like the Canary Cry. Being able to block gravity isn't out of the question.

And for the record, blocking gravity is impossible. That sort of thing can't even be explained...

Originally posted by the ninjak
How do you block gravity?

How do you fire off gravity as beams?