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1) Classic Rogue vs Colossus

2) pure h2h.

who is the better fighter?

Colossus in both if she doesn't have all the powers she's absorbed.

i think she can get the majority in either one.

He's got more strength and toughness. Her flight doesn't help too much, plus her absorption doesn't work when he's armored up. So Piotr has the advantage.

actually her absorption on his armored form works just fine.

her flight, durability and superhuman reaction is sufficient to make her a serious threat

Originally posted by King Castle
actually her absorption on his armored form works just fine.

her flight, durability and superhuman reaction is sufficient to maker a serious threat

it's debatable imo.

of course it is that is why we are debating.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's debatable imo.

Yea. There's been inconsistent portrayal.

If she can grab him and armor up, then she'll win.

^

Assuming that she can maintain her grip before getting smashed in the face. I don't see her winning here. She's too frail at round start and even if she gets a bit of armor she can't really do anything with it. He's a better fighter and he can sacrifice split second contact to knock her out after a few good ones.

Rogues strength level is below colossus

Oh wait, this is classic Rogue.

1. Rogue 8/10

2. Colossus is better at h2h

i dont know i bn impressed by rogues fighting from time to time.. plus her life draining experience i think gives her an edge

Classc Rogue isn't strong enough to take Colossus.

interesting b/c it has in the past and even taking on the avengers and x men back in her bad guy days.. plus her strength is not her only power.

also her strength gave thor pass and even complimented her strength.

colossus 8/10

Originally posted by Q99
Yea. There's been inconsistent portrayal.


there only been one inconsistent showing of it and thats when it did not work on him. The only reason it did not work was becuase it was during that whole "poor rogue can't kiss anyone period" so they inorder to allow colossus to kiss her made up some crap that it does not effect him. This is dispite the fact it has effected him and did after this event as well if not mistaken.

Though becuase colossus like a few characters on the boards seems to get a pass.

rogue has the reflexes to combo to ko colossus

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
there only been one inconsistent showing of it and thats when it did not work on him. The only reason it did not work was becuase it was during that whole "poor rogue can't kiss anyone period" so they inorder to allow colossus to kiss her made up some crap that it does not effect him. This is dispite the fact it has effected him and did after this event as well if not mistaken.

Though becuase colossus like a few characters on the boards seems to get a pass.

don't start with the "this board" crap. it'll seriously get you a warning.

will see

Rogue is faster better fighter the colossus and i see colossus having a near impossible time landing hits on her.

Originally posted by King Castle
Rogue is faster better fighter the colossus and i see colossus having a near impossible time landing hits on her. jYea, Rogue hardly ever got hit.

When she absorbed Quicksilver's powers she STILL couldn't even land a hit on Betsy.

Betsy is a skilled MA'er and was also using her TK to boost her speed and strength and Rogue wasnt using QS's full speed in the fight,... nor was it said she even activated it.

Rogues strength level is like between 50-70 ton range

colossus would win

Originally posted by chomperx9
Rogues strength level is like between 50-70 ton range

colossus would win King Castle said that Colossus would not be able to land a hit on her though.

Bump.

Id give it to classic Rogue. Flight, speed and agility should give her the edge.

Is it still the case that she cant absorb his powers in his metal form?

Nope

Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus in both if she doesn't have all the powers she's absorbed.

Can't she just absorb the shit out of Piotr in 1?

Assuming no power absorption :
Rogue wins 1. The combination of speed/maneuverability/strength/durability gives her the win after a tough fight.
Rogue loses 2. Colossus is stronger and more durable than her, he's also the better fighter IMHO.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Can't she just absorb the shit out of Piotr in 1?


Reading back through the thread apparently it was shown once that she cant absorb him when he is in metal form.


Originally posted by zopzop
Assuming no power absorption :
Rogue wins 1. The combination of speed/maneuverability/strength/durability gives her the win after a tough fight.
Rogue loses 2. Colossus is stronger and more durable than her, he's also the better fighter IMHO.


Yeah thats what I thought. Speed, maneuverability, flight is too much of a fighting edge. Colossus doesnt even leap far like She-Hulk.

Colossus don't have the leaping feats of She-Hulk but I think I've seen some in his cluttered respect thread a few years ago.

I remember him jumping up and smashing an attack helicoper once and I think he jumped up and punched a Sentinel in the face as well.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Reading back through the thread apparently it was shown once that she cant absorb him when he is in metal form.

Wow. I forgot all about this thread and was too lazy to do so.

But from some quick googling, you appear to be right:

https://tinyurl.com/yycuty88

Might be supported by more books.

Alas, I'm sure many writers would ignore it (assuming they haven't done so already), just saying. Doesn't mean we should.

I remember that I think it was in the adjectiveless X-Men book from the late 90's.

Maybe Colossus got immune with time.

Worked fine earlier:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235174/6138090-rco020_1469493766.jpg

I think there is more cases of her powers working on him than not working.

Oh, safe to say.

Similar with adamantium being highly resistant to phasing or some forms of possession. Or being allergic to hellfire.

Or the number of times Venom symbiote can bond to a host before it gets permanent.

And so on...

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus don't have the leaping feats of She-Hulk but I think I've seen some in his cluttered respect thread a few years ago.

I remember him jumping up and smashing an attack helicoper once and I think he jumped up and punched a Sentinel in the face as well.


Will have to check that.

But I think its safe to say its not in character for him to do so.

And I do think the She-Hulk type leaping would be needed against Rogue.



Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Maybe Colossus got immune with time.

Worked fine earlier:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111235174/6138090-rco020_1469493766.jpg


Huh... Weird.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh... Weird.

Not weird at all.

Marvel and DC did try to care about continuity in the past, but they still made thousands of errors. Many were way worse than this one.

Nowadays, they don't even pretend they care.

He was also much younger during the time...far more weaker. Based on latter showings, she cant absorb him.

Originally posted by carver9
He was also much younger during the time...far more weaker. Based on latter showings, she cant absorb him.

Rogue's gotten better with her absorption over the years, too.

She absorbed him fine in Second Coming, but we don't see it on panel. So maybe he switched to human form. Maybe.

Guess it depends whether the OP meant both Rogue and Colossus to be classic or just Rogue.

Dark Riddick still posts on KMC, just under a new account, last time I checked.

There's literally only ONE story where Rogue could not absorb Colossus while armored up. The default is that she CAN absorb him.

Rogue easily.

I wonder if it's some mental thing for Colossus to be at times resistant to her touch.

During WWHulk when Colossus got his arms bent I recall Elixir stating his powers couldn't heal Colossus unless he reverted to human. There was also the story where one of Apocalypses Horsemans touch based powers wouldn't work on Colossus either.

He couldn't heal him, as they needed to un-bend his arms first.

Elixir's powers have limits and don't come with a hefty dose of TK.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He couldn't heal him, as they needed to un-bend his arms first.

Elixir's powers have limits and don't come with a hefty dose of TK. I think Elixir mentioned something about his physiology being the issue.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think Elixir mentioned something about his physiology being the issue.

Let me check, brb.

Turns out we both were right:

http://i64.tinypic.com/15z2loy.png

Well I think I'm more right as there was another time Elixir tried to hurt Colossus by touching him with no luck. I can't track down the issue but it's the issue where Colossus beat the sh!t out of the New X-Men team a while back.

I might be wrong but I think it did happen.

You are wrong, indeed:

https://i.imgur.com/HfyogX8.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/HfyogX8.png

I thought Elixir actually used his power in that brawl but it's been a decade since I saw it. Is that the whole fight?

You're wrong. Colossus admitted Elixir have the power to take him out with a touch.

Stilt beat me to the punch.

Originally posted by carver9
You're wrong. Colossus admitted Elixir have the power to take him out with a touch. Colossus said that before Elixir touched him, Elixir stated his physiology was an issue.

He didn't use his power. Never calmed down, never tried anything fancy. Just lashed out at Colosuss, full angry kid mode.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't use his power. Never calmed down, never tried anything fancy. Just lashed out at Colosuss, full angry kid mode. Can you post the entire altercation between Colossus and the New X-Men?

I could, but you just want to derail the thread even further.

And it's high time you learned how to find this stuff without help.

Elixir never once uses his death touch on Colossus. He just tries his best to hurt him via conventional means, which he eventually does... after the exercise is over and when Colossus power-downs, with his back turned on Foley.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I could, but you just want to derail the thread even further.

And it's high time you learned how to find this stuff without help.

Elixir never once uses his death touch on Colossus. He just tries his best to hurt him via conventional means, which he eventually does... after the exercise is over and when Colossus power-downs, with his back turned on Foley. Settle down. I've tried to find the scans but I stay away from those shady sites. I leave that stuff to you guys.

Are you hiding something?

What "shady" sites?

You might consider avoiding KMC, then. As since 2015, none of the bugs were fixed... your data can be easily intercepted. The forum is obsolete and our connection to it is not secure.

Don't expect all others to do the work for you. Not my fault your memory is spotty.

Rogue can absorb beings with weird metallic physiologies such as Magus, the leader of the Technarch. What Elixir can and cannot do is irrelevant here.

http://i.imgur.com/zO19se5.png

And, as said, she has absorbed Colossus' powers (when metallic) several times.

https://giantsizecomicthings.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/download.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What "shady" sites?

You might consider avoiding KMC, then. As since 2015, none of the bugs were fixed... your data can be easily intercepted. The forum is obsolete and our connection to it is not secure.

Don't expect all others to do the work for you. Not my fault your memory is spotty. The sites where you guys download the comics.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The sites where you guys download the comics.

You wont get in trouble for that. If you're worried about the downloading aspect then you can just use viewcomic, readcomic etc. You aren't onwloading it then just viewing the comic someone else has uploaded. I've downloaded at least 6 Terabytes of comics in my time and never had a problem.

But either way you wouldn't get in trouble.

Originally posted by Magnon

And, as said, she has absorbed Colossus' powers (when metallic) several times.

https://giantsizecomicthings.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/download.jpg


He looks armourless there when she was making contact.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He looks armourless there when she was making contact.
Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...

Here are the scans.

https://i.postimg.cc/XY7SxXHj/1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/g2S97dQv/2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/65hxdChb/3.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #247

Originally posted by juggernaut74
The sites where you guys download the comics.

They are more secure than KMC is.

And nobody needs to dl these days.

Originally posted by Magnon
Rogue's kiss changed him from steel to flesh (that's what the sparkles are about), but he was armored at the start. Colossus (armored) was about to go sacrifice himself against the Master Mold but Rogue couldn't allow that and stole his power. Unfortunately I couldn't find the previous panel (and even the one I could find is of very poor quality)...


Ah okay

Regardless Rogue wins in either scenario.

As far as the their actual stats goes, I'm not familiar with a lot of the more recent stuff Rogue has done, so she might have reached heights I don't know of. For years though, I felt it was generally assumed that he was more durable than she was, while she had the advantages of speed and flight. Strength could be argued, but I would generally pick Colossus tbh.

As far as the absorption thing goes, this is what I was able to put together:

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Uncanny X-Men #179 This is the first actual absorption of Colossus by Rogue. After being heated and then subsequently cooled by Pyro and Avalanche, Colossus is trapped in a kind of "frozen" state. Rogue's absorption of his power turns him back in to his "Human" form, allowing the Morlocks to heal him.

https://imgur.com/M34nPjl
https://imgur.com/4GMDNXj

Uncanny X-Men #194 While fighting Nimrod, Rogue absorbs the powers of both Colossus and Nightcrawler so as to better fight the future Sentinel.

https://imgur.com/SGDPwPF

X-Men and Alpha Flight #1 During a Danger Room session gone wrong, Rogue is struck and falls from the air. Colossus being Colossus, he puts himself at risk to catch her and their skin-to-skin contact causes her to absorb his powers.

https://imgur.com/KR7XpOj

Uncanny X-Men #208 While going up against The Hellfire Club, Rogue accidentally absorbs Colossus's powers while trying to prevent him being sunk in to the Earth by Harry Leland.

https://imgur.com/FIHcMy9

Uncanny X-Men 247 Rogue absorbs Colossus's power so that she can add it to her own during a battle with Master Mold.

https://imgur.com/PWZ8SW2

So already we have five instances of Colossus's powers being absorbed by Rogue, all written by Chris Claremont. There can be little doubt of his intent as regards Colossus's vulnerability to Rogue during that period. It should be noted that the last time Claremont had it happen, in Uncanny X-Men #247, was AFTER Colossus had undergone his first upgrade in the wake of the Morlock Massacre (Uncanny X-Men #211).

Back in 1985 there was also the X-Men Heroes for Hope One Shot, which, while obviously not canon, was overseen by Claremont, so it serves as supplementary evidence that the person that by and large defined both Colossus and Rogue intended for her to be able to take his powers.

https://imgur.com/XNbe8gq
https://imgur.com/tCJwtUu

X-Men #80 In an issue written by Joe Kelly in the late 90s, we see Rogue absorbing the powers of Colossus (among others) so that she can fight Cerebro's X-Men.

https://imgur.com/32BcvpK
https://imgur.com/xt7odsb

X-Men Legacy #235 Takes on the powers of Colossus and several X-Men so as to better protect Hope Summers in an issue written by Mike Carey.

https://imgur.com/0dwN6E3

Cable and X-Force #10 Steals Colossus's powers while fighting Domino in an issue written by Dennis Hallum.

https://imgur.com/gLULJrF


So yes, the consensus at Marvel seems to be that, even if Colossus still had the numerous resistances offered by his organic-steel skin, he would not be immune to Rogue's touch. That does not mean, however, that an alternative wasn't considered at one point.

In 2000, during an arc written by Chris Claremont himself where the X-Men fight The Neo, we see enough to hint that Claremont was going to make some changes.

X-Men #100 Colossus in his metal form touches Rogue without suffering any ill-effects.

https://imgur.com/Rh3OnVR

X-Men #102 Colossus has his powers absorbed by Rogue, but this is WITHOUT skin-to-skin contact. I don't quite understand why her powers are going haywire, so if someone could correct me on it, I'd appreciate it.

https://imgur.com/TetBdCx

X-Men #106 Colossus makes it a point to turn from metal to flesh before kissing Rogue, allowing her to absorb his powers. Rogue even comments on the transformation.

https://imgur.com/qQybQP2

X-Men #107 Colossus, in his Human form, takes Rogue's hand, and is subsequently brought low by her absorption powers.

https://imgur.com/7yZvPVB

From that, I don't think it's much of a leap to believe that Claremont, the man that had defined these characters in the first place (he even created Rogue), was at least in the early stages of changing the nature of how their powers interacted with each other. It might not have been carried on by Marvel, but the idea of Colossus's skin granting him unusual resistances is not a new one.

^ Nice put together in short time Pr.

As for strength/durability comparisons, I agree Colossus has always had the edge in strength and was definitely more durable. But I do think Rogues flight, speed, agility would still give her the definitive edge in a fight (without power absorption obviously).

Right now though she had the strength of Wonder Man I believe, so shes probably stronger now as well.

Not *always*, let's not go too crazy.

As for Wonder Man, he's an overrated piece of shit. His upper limits might be impressive, but there's a good reason nobody - not Carol, not anyone - was afraid to face that turd in h2h.

He's Ares one win

Yes

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Nice put together in short time Pr.

As for strength/durability comparisons, I agree Colossus has always had the edge in strength and was definitely more durable. But I do think Rogues flight, speed, agility would still give her the definitive edge in a fight (without power absorption obviously).

Right now though she had the strength of Wonder Man I believe, so shes probably stronger now as well.

Thanks, I'd love to pretend i just whipped it up but it's been sitting in a notepad file for a while now.

Strength wise i would go by Colossus post resurrection and possibly post Morlocks but before that not sure. And again i only say that while possibly not knowing some of Rogue's better feats. She's in a lot of books i either didn't read or only read once because after a while she did nothing for me as a character.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not *always*, let's not go too crazy.



Did Rogue used to be stronger? I guess they were pretty much on par in classic versions. Whilst Colossus was the more durable.

Thought Domino was the reason Rogue powers were going crazy..

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/41465000/SmartSelect_20190701-123024_Chrome.jpg.html

It's not Domino.

I know... auto correct. DominA.

I knew she could mess with powers but I didn't know she was the reason Rogue was all over the place. Good to know.

Carver just schooled Pr like it weren't nothing but a thang

Hey, it's not my fault Rogue is so awful that I couldn't remember whether she'd absorbed anyone by proximity before.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hey, it's not my fault Rogue is so awful


She is not awful

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Did Rogue used to be stronger? I guess they were pretty much on par in classic versions. Whilst Colossus was the more durable.

They both have showings suggesting they're superior to each other in both departments.

This fight will always be interesting to discuss. They were the greatest physical powerhouses of the X-Men before Namor joined.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They were the greatest physical powerhouses of the X-Men before Namor joined.
Which is kinda sad. The X-Men need stronger bricks/flying bricks.

Juggernaut was the strongest X-Man even depowered.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Juggernaut was the strongest X-Man even depowered.


Of course. But then he will be their enemy again tomorrow.

Rogue.

Namor was stronger than depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
She is not awful

All joking aside, I like some versions of Rogue well enough. She wouldn't be my favourite character or anything, but I think Claremont's Rogue was an interesting character with good arcs. Her trying to handle Carol's psyche is some good stuff.

Around the time of Joseph though, I feel like she just kinda went... Meh? The "will they, won't they" stuff with Gambit, making her a team leader... It just wasn't handled well I thought. I don't even think they're great ideas, but still, they could have been handled better.

Originally posted by zopzop
Which is kinda sad. The X-Men need stronger bricks/flying bricks.

Why? They're the X-Men, not the Avengers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor was stronger than depowered Juggy.

Yep. It was suggested at one point that he wasn't even Colossus level, though if he has a feat I'm not recalling it, that would trump any statements.

I always had an impression that pre 52, Aquaman was Colossus level....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I always had an impression that pre 52, Aquaman was Colossus level....

mhmm

Not sure if serious or just wanting to be my first ban of the day...

Lol. For lowballing Aquaman?

Originally posted by -Pr-
All joking aside, I like some versions of Rogue well enough. She wouldn't be my favourite character or anything, but I think Claremont's Rogue was an interesting character with good arcs. Her trying to handle Carol's psyche is some good stuff.

Around the time of Joseph though, I feel like she just kinda went... Meh? The "will they, won't they" stuff with Gambit, making her a team leader... It just wasn't handled well I thought. I don't even think they're great ideas, but still, they could have been handled better.




The Carol stuff was always great. Yeah I see what mean about the rest. Shes just always had a special place in my heart since the animated series.



Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. For lowballing Aquaman?


Oh thatll do it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. For lowballing Aquaman?



Seriously though, I don't blame you. Post-Crisis Aquaman's strength feats are not the most numerous or quantifiable.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Carol stuff was always great. Yeah I see what mean about the rest. Shes just always had a special place in my heart since the animated series.






Oh thatll do it.

Oh, animated Rogue is a different animal, even with that accent.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Oh, animated Rogue is a different animal, even with that accent.


I guess Shes always stuck as Rogue in my mind even when reading the comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor was stronger than depowered Juggy. Not a chance.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I guess Shes always stuck as Rogue in my mind even when reading the comics.

Oh, me too. A lot of them are the definitive versions of the characters. I can't read a comic without hearing that Gambit or Wolverine in my head.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Not a chance.

I admit it's been a while since I read it, but I don't recall depowered Juggernaut having that many great feats.

Whats the latest on Juggs anyway? Powered or depowered. X-Men ally or foe?

iirc he showed up recently in one of the Uncanny X-Books wanting to be an X-Man again. AFAIK he has his powers still.

^ So he could be part of the team with his full powerset?

That would obviously be their biggest physical brick. But hes always switching. And I agree X-Men are not Avengers so dont really need that level of a brick anyway.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Not a chance.
100% chance. Your hatred for Namor is well known.

Originally posted by -Pr-
All joking aside, I like some versions of Rogue well enough. She wouldn't be my favourite character or anything, but I think Claremont's Rogue was an interesting character with good arcs. Her trying to handle Carol's psyche is some good stuff.

Around the time of Joseph though, I feel like she just kinda went... Meh? The "will they, won't they" stuff with Gambit, making her a team leader... It just wasn't handled well I thought. I don't even think they're great ideas, but still, they could have been handled better.



Why? They're the X-Men, not the Avengers.



Yep. It was suggested at one point that he wasn't even Colossus level, though if he has a feat I'm not recalling it, that would trump any statements.
That's why Juggernaut74 swears up and down that Juggy was stronger than Namor because that would make Colossus stronger than Namor.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ So he could be part of the team with his full powerset?

That would obviously be their biggest physical brick. But hes always switching. And I agree X-Men are not Avengers so dont really need that level of a brick anyway.

I only saw a few of the scans so I don't know what came of it, but yeah, presumably. The X-Men is a mess right now anyway though, so it'll be interesting to see what Hickman does with them this month.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Juggernaut74 swears up and down that Juggy was stronger than Namor because that would make Colossus stronger than Namor.

Well he's morally superior, at least he used to be... That has to count for something.

Originally posted by abhilegend
100% chance. Your hatred for Namor is well known. Namor is a tool.

Juggernaut at his weakest crushes Namor.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Namor is a tool.

Juggernaut at his weakest crushes Namor.
In your dreams maybe.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I only saw a few of the scans so I don't know what came of it, but yeah, presumably. The X-Men is a mess right now anyway though, so it'll be interesting to see what Hickman does with them this month.



Well he's morally superior, at least he used to be... That has to count for something.
Bah, avenging son is superior to that ruskie in every way.














I kid, I kid. Don't ban me.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course. But then he will be their enemy again tomorrow.

"Of course"?

Depowered Juggs was a pushover and he kept losing more and more of his power. X-Men/Excalibur just wasn't the best period in his career, feats-wise.

Read comics, Darth Thorgina.

Depowered Juggs was a beast. Smashing the likes of Sasquatch, amped Rhino, small Alpha Flight squad, doing well better than most bricks against WWHulk, Hyperion, Thor, etc.

Namor is still stronger than him.

Namor couldn't beat Sasquatch no way he's going to beat Juggernaut.

Namor never fought 616 Sasquatch. He is stronger than depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Depowered Juggs was a beast. Smashing the likes of Sasquatch, amped Rhino, small Alpha Flight squad, doing well better than most bricks against WWHulk, Hyperion, Thor, etc.

Why are you treating X-Men/Exc Cain and T-Bolts Cain as the same version?

Smashed Sasquatch? It was a stalemate...?

He needed a gun to take care of Rhino.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor never fought 616 Sasquatch. He is stronger than depowered Juggy. Namor is overrated. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why are you treating X-Men/Exc Cain and T-Bolts Cain as the same version?

Smashed Sasquatch? It was a stalemate...?

He needed a gun to take care of Rhino. Why are you assuming not is the better question.

As depowerments can vary.

And Cain spent a lot of time fighting on the side of angels the first time he got depowered and it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR how he was losing even more of his power as time passed. He even feared one day an angry mob of peasants would be a threat to him.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Namor is overrated. Why are you assuming not is the better question.
Namor is also stronger than Colossus and depowered Juggy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
As depowerments can vary.

And Cain spent a lot of time fighting on the side of angels the first time he got depowered and it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR how he was losing even more of his power as time passed. He even feared one day an angry mob of peasants would be a threat to him. When he was at his weakest he became a farmer after he left Thunderbolts he was able to be a beat a X squad that included Iceman and one-shotted Class 75 Man-Killer.

X-Men Juggernaut and Thunderbolts Juggy were around the same power level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor is also stronger than Colossus and depowered Juggy. Nice you said that 42 times. Good job.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
When he was at his weakest he became a farmer after he left Thunderbolts he was able to be a beat a X squad that included Iceman and one-shotted Class 75 Man-Killer.

X-Men Juggernaut and Thunderbolts Juggy were around the same power level.

Don't forget how he trashed Colossus there, too.

No, they really weren't.

I want to see scans.

Scans like this

https://i.postimg.cc/VLBBYztk/ngv7g-FQ-d.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I want to see scans

Just for you, my love:

http://i.imgur.com/ONJXvkN.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans like this

https://m.imgur.com/ngv7gFQ





He really was at his worst then.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget how he trashed Colossus there, too.

No, they really weren't. Can you prove they were not? They were both Class 100.

Posting Cain beating up Colossus don't help your case.

Blatant lies in your posts certainly don't help yours, juggy.

Says the guy making stuff up.

Read some comics, j74. Then come back.

I've read some comics son I'm out of this one.

I'll be seeing you Wednesday.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Nice you said that 42 times. Good job.
Truth needs to be retold.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I've read some comics son I'm out of this one.

I'll be seeing you Wednesday.

No, you haven't. You lying piece of shit.

You kept starting the same arguments on this site since the beginning. Why? Since you had NOTHING to talk about here. Snoop gave you all the material. Or Trackz.

Those days are gone. Snoop doesn't even post here. Trackz barely visits. You're a filthy piece of shit and you'll be treated as such.

This is the last thread you've derailed. I'm alarming everyone.

Retarded juggy74 days are over.

I win.

You win what?

Ignore list from us?

You seem to have broke.

Anything more you can add to the thread, juggy?

Who else has Depowerednaut "smashed"...?

Your mother, maybe?

He smashed his replacement after he smashed She-Hulk who hurt her hand punching him.

Don't forget how he served as Iceman's (pre-amps) punching bag and couldn't even defend himself against the clowns from the Wrecking Crew.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Of course"?

Depowered Juggs was a pushover and he kept losing more and more of his power. X-Men/Excalibur just wasn't the best period in his career, feats-wise.

Read comics, Darth Thorgina.


Yeah true he didnt do much in his X-Men depowered Days. His better depowered Feats were afterwords.

Ive not been a regular comic reader for well over a decade. But every once in a while something catches my interest.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't forget how he served as Iceman's (pre-amps) punching bag and couldn't even defend himself against the clowns from the Wrecking Crew. Oh man I forgot about that.

I have no idea what's going on, but the hostility needs to come down a few notches.