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Fighting Iron Fist is WAY more impressive than fighting Black Canary, no matter how big Gail Simone's lady boner for her is.

The guy got pounded by IF. And WC also made Hawk look like a fool.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fighting Iron Fist is WAY more impressive than fighting Black Canary, no matter how big Gail Simone's lady boner for her is.

Yea, but WC's considerably stronger than BC, while SS is weaker than IF.


I think this is a good fight.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The guy got pounded by IF. And WC also made Hawk look like a fool. First fight was pretty even with Danny edging him out at the end iirc.

And I always rc.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The guy got pounded by IF. And WC also made Hawk look like a fool.

He has also beaten Danny before, even once when Spider-man tried to help IF double team him IIRC, so it goes both ways. Hawk is an idiot, he rushed her, she side stepped him and he got sliced by her weapon. He made himself look like a fool... at least he still get a hunk of her scalp to remember her by though.

Steel Serpent wins the high majority,,

still curious to see why ppl put her so high with what little she's got

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has also beaten Danny before, even once when Spider-man tried to help IF double team him IIRC, so it goes both ways. Hawk is an idiot, he rushed her, she side stepped him and he got sliced by her weapon. He made himself look like a fool... at least he still get a hunk of her scalp to remember her by though.

hawk is pretty skilled in his hawk form amd is considerably faster and stronger than serpent. hes resisted blades, bulllets, poisons, and gases in his magical form. yet wc almost killed him and she was toyhing with dinah and huntress. id give the edge to wc.

Originally posted by King Castle
Steel Serpent wins the high majority,,

still curious to see why ppl put her so high with what little she's got

Because what little she's got is all very impressive? She's got zero low showings.

Originally posted by King Castle
Steel Serpent wins the high majority,,

still curious to see why ppl put her so high with what little she's got
Her few showings are fairly impressive though. If you can defeat Black Canary and a decently skilled MAer (Huntress) at the same time with ease then you're definitely at least on the low end of Top Tier.

i never considered huntress to be anything but low end street leveler and i am still not convinced on the BC love she gets..

is she skilled yeh, but, i only put her in mid range at best..

h2h both of them dont add much to me and i can a lot of heroes/villains MA'ers capable of taking them on...

too often new characters come in kicking and screaming taking names and kicking butt but they dont maintain their initial lvl.. reminds me of Taskmaster..

Originally posted by King Castle
i never considered huntress to be anything but low end street leveler and i am still not convinced on the BC love she gets..

is she skilled yeh, but, i only put her in mid range at best..

h2h both of them dont add much to me and i can a lot of heroes/villains MA'ers capable of taking them on...
She's still a dangerous distraction that would make taking BC much more difficult.

Yet WC beat them both handily. She arguably handled BC better than Deathstroke did (although Deathstroke was like usual fighting her with the gloves on to a degree).

DS is always phuckin around.

this is how i see it

NW
Batman
Cass
lady shiva
bronze tiger
DS
WC
Richard Dragon
Red Robin
BC
Wildcat
Huntress
damian

dont forget that wc could have easily killed bc but that was not her intent. alsol she manipulated shiva at the end and lived to tell about it. it made it seem that shiva couldnt do anything without bc help. wc is no joke.

Originally posted by King Castle
this is how i see it

NW
Batman
Cass
lady shiva
bronze tiger
DS
WC
Richard Dragon
Red Robin
BC
Wildcat
Huntress
damian

why is richard so low? he would mess up nw.

the hell you say..

PM is high

nw wouldnt make it past 1 minute against the dragon.

dont be dissin my boy NW..

he actually has mountain of feats unlike the RD.

NW: Roadhouse!

hes good but not that good. richard has went toe to toe with batman,shiva, and bronze tiger. does nw?

he's more acrobatic/faster then bruce at its bn stated on panel.. NW does a lot better with DS then most ppl... he has fought cassandra..

he also has a longer history of consistency and battles with other various characters and repeated fights to gauge his skills and abilities from various angles.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
hes good but not that good. richard has went toe to toe with batman,shiva, and bronze tiger. does nw?

Technically in current DC continuity Richard does not have a canon fight with Batman, Shiva or Tiger. His fights are either pre-crisis or from Chuck Dixon series which was retcon'd away by 52. Shiva and Bronze Tiger are even worse in someways since they get mild retcons every time they show up in a new book.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
nw wouldnt make it past 1 minute against the dragon.

He stalemated Cass not to long ago, and that was before he got an arbitrary skill bump from taking up the cowl. Every indication would seem to suggest he can content with top tiers currently.

Gotta love DC with their constant retcons of characters and especially confusing with ppl throwing PC feats into a current rewritten character

true. but its pretty well known that dragon is one of the few at the top. and his fight with bruce was won with ease. his last fight with shiva wasnt too long ago so i still count that. whether it was retconed or not.