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Ultraman doesn't have magic weakness right?
and he's equally ruthless. on the other hand Adam has thousands of years of experience. tough fight Adam 6/10 maybe

Ultraman.

Black Adam baby...

Black wins.

I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless.

Good fight. Split 50/50

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless. Based on what is he slightly more powerful ?

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless.

Same here.

Black Adam is above superman... BA wins but ULTRAMAN makes him earn it.

Originally posted by MONSTAR
Black Adam is above superman... BA wins but ULTRAMAN makes him earn it. I concur.

Ultraman.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless. Same here.

Probably Adam, not too sure Ultraman is quite the analogue of Supes.

But like Superman said, as he dished out an ass-wooping, Ultraman killing off all the heroes/villains meant he had no-one to challenge him and stopped improving as a fighter.

Give the slight edge to Adam.

Ultraman.

that crazy mofo ultraman ftw. but no win would come easy.

Adam imo

Black Adam rapes this scrub.

Adam

isnt ultraman stupid? anyway, black adam wins

Originally posted by 753
isnt ultraman stupid? anyway, black adam wins

No, he's just psycho, who can go toe to toe with Superman.

Adam 7/10

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No, he's just psycho, who can go toe to toe with Superman. seemed pretty dumb in the comics I've read of him. is jla 2.0 canon?

i might say UM is more powerful, since i believe kal is slightly more powerful than either BA or CM, but BA is hellasmart and i think he is the more skilled fighter as well. i think that combo would be enough to give BA the wins.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'd give it to Ultraman. Slightly more powerful and just as ruthless.

Ultraman is not slightly more powerful than BA...despite the recent Forever evil. Ultra can't do what BA can do. Forever Evil isn't the BA we know

Sure, bro. This is by Geoff Johns himself, the biggest Black Adam fanboy in the world.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944185_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944188_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944191_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg
Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944194_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-020.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944196_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-021.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944199_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-022.jpg


Ultraman wins.

Ultraman rips adam's face off and punches his teeth in. Even before reboot he beat superman straight up which Captain Marvel and Black Adam have never done despite having superman's weakness played up against him.

Pre-DCnU BA especially WW3 BA could take 4-5/10 imo

This is the Black Adam we know, it is just that Ultraman is being shown as pretty uber. It remains to be seen if Superman is definitely Ultraman's equal, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, bro. This is by Geoff Johns himself, the biggest Black Adam fanboy in the world.



Ultraman rips adam's face off and punches his teeth in. Even before reboot he beat superman straight up which Captain Marvel and Black Adam have never done despite having superman's weakness played up against him.



i never saw those scans. clearly my own opinion of how the fight would go was wrong. those scans should definitively end this thread. clearly UM>BA. a rematch may of course be different, but using those scans UM is clearly superior. it should not even be a question, and the thread, until further proof can refute that fight, should likely be close.

in the video game INJUSTICE, superman did something almost the same to captain marvel. i wondered if that would work. seems he didn't even need the heat vision like in the game....

Rarely should scans end a thread. They are just one portrayal. Still, new as the New 52 is there isn't much contradictory evidence, so it does seem like for now, UM is above Black Adam in the New 52. And by extension, Superman is also likely above BA--but that hasn't been fully confirmed yet.

But pre-reboot Superman/Ultraman vs. BA is debatable, and I bet that in a few years, it might be debatable in the new 52 too.

Ultraman is amped, so more than likely, he is above any Herald in DCNU and that includes Supes.

^ We don't know that he's amped. While it seems likely, he could just be depowered without Kryptonite just as he seems to be depowered in sunlight.

It is possible he is amped in some way, or that he doesn't exactly correspond to Superman. But what makes you think that? Snorting Green K? That seemed like the way he always does it. If snorting Green K is amped, then what would constitute 'standard' power levels?

Yes, it was explicitly stated that the kryptonite amped him...then he had his group gather more knite so that he could keep his power at those levels. Without this amp...he would not have defeated Adam so easily if at all.

Originally posted by Cogito
^ We don't know that he's amped. While it seems likely, he could just be depowered without Kryptonite just as he seems to be depowered in sunlight.

Why don't we know? It was shown in fear that he was amped off knite. Look at Galan Sig. Then we have no idea how long the knite amp last...days, months, yrs, who knows the distance on when the amp would wear off.

Originally posted by carver9
Why don't we know? It was shown in fear that he was amped off knite. Look at ABHI Sig. Then we have no idea how long the knite amp last...days, months, yrs, who knows the distance on when the amp would wear off.

Just because you want to keep it mysterious doesn't mean you get to make it last as long as you'd like.

That was some serious ownage.

Originally posted by carver9
Why don't we know? It was shown in fear that he was amped off knite. Look at ABHI Sig. Then we have no idea how long the knite amp last...days, months, yrs, who knows the distance on when the amp would wear off.
Lulz. You might break something you're reaching so far. Also MY SIG?

Characters who are more brutal tend to look more powerful than those who are not brutal.

Has nothing to do with power but with how brutal they are. IMO

I'm not reaching. There isn't a shed of evidence proving the amp wore off.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
That was some serious ownage.
Believe me, in his 70+ years history this is the first time Adam has lost cleanly in a 1v1 fight. John Cena has nothing on this guy.

And that is not an amp, that is 100 percent charge.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz. You might break something you're reaching so far. Also MY SIG?

Not your Sig...meant to say Galan Sig.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not reaching. There isn't a shed of evidence proving the amp wore off.
Except the fact that its not an amp to begin with? Ultraman was beginning to run low on power, he snorted some kryptonite to get back at his full strength and just after this fight he has to go snort some more kryptonite because his powers were beginning to run low again?

Originally posted by carver9
Not your Sig...meant to say Galan Sig.
Sure buddy.

It's said Black Adam gets his power from Green K, not that he is always amped by it.

Though I could see that this might mean there is no 'standard' level for him. That his powers naturally vary a lot more than Superman's--really high right after getting some Green K, then dropping faster.

Guess we will need to see.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Believe me, in his 70+ years history this is the first time Adam has lost cleanly in a 1v1 fight. John Cena has nothing on this guy.

Actually Superman pretty well dominated him in the trailer for the DCU online game.

Originally posted by carver9
Ultraman is amped, so more than likely, he is above any Herald in DCNU and that includes Supes. No.

K-nite is the source of Ultraman's power(without it, his powers wane), and sunlight is the antithesis of his power. This is the direct opposite of Superman, if you didn't notice:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948446_7281884.jpg

That's why he was eating k-nite when he first arrived on earth 3 as a baby:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948448_8009091.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948453_5722934.jpg

That's why he's still huffing it now:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948443_2822206.jpg


What we don't know is how often he must 'recharge', and/or what it takes to deplete, the k-nite reserves in his body. Since he's been in the mainstream DCU, Ulty has taken a single huff of k-nite, and that was sufficient for him to effortlessly move the moon, effortlessly own Black Adam, and also engage in a few miscellaneous activities in between. So a little bit of k-nite definitely seems to go a LONG way for him.

However, he did need to take a hit of k-nite in the wake of he and BA's battle, which is why he went looking for Metallo:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948534_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948535_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-012.jpg


Regardless, fresh k-nite consumption shouldn't be considered an 'amp' for Ulty. It should be considered his standard/optimum level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except the fact that its not an amp to begin with? Ultraman was beginning to run low on power, he snorted some kryptonite to get back at his full strength and just after this fight he has to go snort some more kryptonite because his powers were beginning to run low again?


Do you have a scan for this? A DCNU scan?

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

K-nite is the source of Ultraman's power(without it, his powers wane), and sunlight is the antithesis of his power. This is the direct opposite of Superman, if you didn't notice:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948446_7281884.jpg

That's why he was eating k-nite when he first arrived on earth 3 as a baby:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948448_8009091.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948453_5722934.jpg

That's why he's still huffing it now:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948443_2822206.jpg


What we don't know is how often he must 'recharge', and/or what it takes to deplete, the k-nite reserves in his body. Since he's been in the mainstream DCU, Ulty has taken a single huff of k-nite, and that was sufficient for him to effortlessly move the moon, effortlessly own Black Adam, and also engage in a few miscellaneous activities in between. So a little bit of k-nite definitely seems to go a LONG way for him.

However, he did need to take a hit of k-nite in the wake of he and BA's battle, which is why he went looking for Metallo:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948534_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948535_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-012.jpg


Regardless, fresh k-nite consumption shouldn't be considered an 'amp' for Ulty. It should be considered his standard/optimum level.




Answer this...depending on the amount and size of knite he snorts...does this aid in how powerful his amp is?

Calling it an 'amp' is the problem, since it is the source of his power. Without it, he has nothing. That being said, it could be possible that he really doesn't have a 'standard' level in the same way regular Superman does.

Originally posted by carver9


Answer this...depending on the amount and size of knite he snorts...does this aid in how powerful his amp is? In the Silver Age it did. Don't know what route Johns will go, however.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have a scan for this? A DCNU scan? Originally posted by carver9


Answer this...depending on the amount and size of knite he snorts...does this aid in how powerful his amp is?
Happy?

No.

I thought so.

Actually, Abhil, even though Carver may not have phrased it properly, you haven't addressed his implicit question, which is to say that perhaps UM's powers are inherently more dynamic than Superman's: stronger after a hit, perhaps much stronger after a big snort, but then waning much faster.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily true, but it could well be that supposing that just because Ultraman could so it, so could Superman, is wrong.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Calling it an 'amp' is the problem, since it is the source of his power. Without it, he has nothing. That being said, it could be possible that he really doesn't have a 'standard' level in the same way regular Superman does. The source of Superman's power(the sun) is 'better' than Ultraman's in that Supes gets to recharge every single day-- all he has to do is wait for the sun to come up. His power source isn't as limited as Ultraman's.

That said, Ultraman has a very finite amount of k-nite that he can consume. Once that's gone, he's phucked. However, k-nite does seem to empower him moreso than standard/atmospheric sunlight empowers Superman-- and historically(even during the Silver Age) this has always been the case.

Not sure why Ulty doesn't just have Deathstorm make him some k-nite, though..? Perhaps Deathstorm(being that everything from earth 3 is opposite) can only affect organic molecules, while mainstream Firestorm can only affect inorganic molecules(we saw FS make k-nite during Trinity War, after all)..? I might be onto something here... mmm

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Actually, Abhil, even though Carver may not have phrased it properly, you haven't addressed his implicit question, which is to say that perhaps UM's powers are inherently more dynamic than Superman's: stronger after a hit, perhaps much stronger after a big snort, but then waning much faster.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily true, but it could well be that supposing that just because Ultraman could so it, so could Superman, is wrong. Ulty stores k-nite radiation in his cells, like Superman stores solar radiation in his cells.

If Ulty depletes those reserves, he needs to recharge-- same with Superman. And as we've seen: a little k-nite goes a LONG way for Ulty.

The Ultraman cokehead panels are priceless epic awesome.

Originally posted by Galan007
The source of Superman's power(the sun) is 'better' than Ultraman's in that Supes gets to recharge every single day-- all he has to do is wait for the sun to come up. His power source isn't as limited as Ultraman's.

That said, Ultraman has a very finite amount of k-nite that he can consume. Once that's gone, he's phucked. However, k-nite does seem to empower him moreso than standard/atmospheric sunlight empowers Superman-- and historically(even during the Silver Age) this has always been the case.


In other continuities, is there any evidence of Ultraman being more powerful just after a hit than Superman normally is?

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Actually, Abhil, even though Carver may not have phrased it properly, you haven't addressed his implicit question, which is to say that perhaps UM's powers are inherently more dynamic than Superman's: stronger after a hit, perhaps much stronger after a big snort, but then waning much faster.

I wouldn't say this is necessarily true, but it could well be that supposing that just because Ultraman could so it, so could Superman, is wrong.
Shh. You are ruining my fun. I don't want to speculate on comics. Everything would be revealed in due time.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
In other continuities, is there any evidence of Ultraman being more powerful just after a hit than Superman normally is? It was hard to tell back then because Ulty naturally emitted low-levels of k-nite radiation due to all the k-nite he'd consumed over the years-- thus Superman would weaken just by being within close proximity of him.

However, back then Ulty did gain entirely new superpowers with each new exposure to k-nite, so there's that...

Thanks for the info. Is this pre-Crisis UM, or post?

Originally posted by carver9
No.

Why, don't you like him to be so uber?

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Thanks for the info. Is this pre-Crisis UM, or post? Pre-crisis.

Post-crisis continuity mostly dealt with the anti-matter version of Ulty.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Why, don't you like him to be so uber?

Ultraman? I do think he is uber. I also believe he is above Herald levels.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Thanks for the info. Is this pre-Crisis UM, or post? pre-Crisis

Originally posted by carver9
Ultraman? I do think he is uber. I also believe he is above Herald levels. You're a wise man, carv. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

Originally posted by carver9
Ultraman? I do think he is uber. I also believe he is above Herald levels.

Carver honestly. And you are right WBH is about Trans or low Skyfather .

hug

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
In other continuities, is there any evidence of Ultraman being more powerful just after a hit than Superman normally is?

There is the Crime Syndicate arc in which Ultraman gets time released anti-K capsules while on New earth Universe and He defeated Superman.

But this is the Anti-Matter Ultraman not the multiverse version

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Carver honestly. And you are right WBH is about Trans or low Skyfather .

hug

I'm saving this post. Let me add this to my sig.

Originally posted by Galan007
No.

K-nite is the source of Ultraman's power(without it, his powers wane), and sunlight is the antithesis of his power. This is the direct opposite of Superman, if you didn't notice:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948446_7281884.jpg

That's why he was eating k-nite when he first arrived on earth 3 as a baby:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948448_8009091.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948453_5722934.jpg

That's why he's still huffing it now:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948443_2822206.jpg


What we don't know is how often he must 'recharge', and/or what it takes to deplete, the k-nite reserves in his body. Since he's been in the mainstream DCU, Ulty has taken a single huff of k-nite, and that was sufficient for him to effortlessly move the moon, effortlessly own Black Adam, and also engage in a few miscellaneous activities in between. So a little bit of k-nite definitely seems to go a LONG way for him.

However, he did need to take a hit of k-nite in the wake of he and BA's battle, which is why he went looking for Metallo:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948534_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16948535_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-012.jpg


Regardless, fresh k-nite consumption shouldn't be considered an 'amp' for Ulty. It should be considered his standard/optimum level.

Good point. Not really an amp after all.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm saving this post. Let me add this to my sig.

Sure, why not. I mean it .

Is there a chance that BA's lightning amped UM? Everything else is opposite for UM vs SM. It seemed the fight was close enough until BA used the lightning.

Originally posted by Badabing
Is there a chance that BA's lightning amped UM? Everything else is opposite for UM vs SM. It seemed the fight was close enough until BA used the lightning.

Reported for lowballing UM... superdur

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Reported for lowballing UM... superdur You DARE report and Dur me in the same post!? You will learn not to disrespect Raptor Bada, LiZod, Raptalian Stallion, Jurassic Gigolo! sneer

Originally posted by Badabing
You DARE report and Dur me in the same post!? You will learn not to disrespect Raptor Bada, LiZod, Raptalian Stallion, Jurassic Gigolo! sneer

cough All the homoerotic energies in this thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t586771.html were responsible for this mistake, good sir Lizard sir!

Originally posted by Badabing
Is there a chance that BA's lightning amped UM? Everything else is opposite for UM vs SM. It seemed the fight was close enough until BA used the lightning. I don't think so. I think Ulty, like SPB, just isn't especially vulnerable to magic.

Heck, even back in the Silver Age he was tanking magical attacks from Dr. Fate:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955334_1.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955336_2.jpg

...So shrugging off high-end magic definitely isn't a new concept for him.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sure, why not. I mean it .

I'm saving this as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
Pre-crisis.

Post-crisis continuity mostly dealt with the anti-matter version of Ulty.

He's one of the few Superman villains that beat him outright, so there's that. The entire Crime Society beat the JLA, in fact.

Then got dismantled by Superman alone in Trinity, but he wasn't himself... His personality was a melding of his, Batmans, and Wonder Womans at that point..

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think so. I think Ulty, like SPB, just isn't especially vulnerable to magic.

Heck, even back in the Silver Age he was tanking magical attacks from Dr. Fate:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955334_1.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955336_2.jpg

...So shrugging off high-end magic definitely isn't a new concept for him.

You're probably right.

But that makes this a really low end showing for Adam, which is unusual given who's doing the writing. (Adams has been a favorite of Johns.) OR, it means this Ultraman is comparatively uber compared to past versions, above Superman and Cap.

I don't know how anyone could possibly see this as a poor showing for Adam-- he was simply the first measuring stick used to show us how uber Ulty is.

...And Johns LOVES Adam, so that's saying something.

He should have used another character instead of Adam. Someone like Captain Atom or something.

Lol. If Ulty would've beaten DCnU Captain Atom at all--let alone that easily--it would've definitely skyrocketed him near the Skyfather tier at the very least, imo. DCnU Atom was ridiculously powerful.

BA was a good measuring stick.

id give the edge to ultraman but I think his wiping of BA was bullshit. I remember when prime fought BA. Yeah adam couldn't do much to him but he tanked a hella of a shot and recovered right away.

When it comes to D.C as far as they are concerned Black adam and shazam are nothing more then shit,fodder if you will.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't know how anyone could possibly see this as a poor showing for Adam-- he was simply the first measuring stick used to show us how uber Ulty is.

...And Johns LOVES Adam, so that's saying something.

Well, Ulty did take out Superman off panel...

It's not that I don't agree with you.. Ultraman is supposed to be the uber, at the moment.

But in the future, if a writer happens to have Superman fight Ulty on completely even terms, and worse yet has him win, that's where it makes Adam look bad...

But time will tell.

This is a new continuity, and no they are not. Especially not Teth. True Billy has been treated like shit recently, but those are all alternate versions.

I think it was kind of overkill, but it was awesome so yeah.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, Ulty did take out Superman off panel... Nah, this is how the heroes were beaten:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955586_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-001.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955588_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-002.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16955590_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-003.jpg
Deathstorm phucked with the Firestorm Matrix, forcing all of the heroes to merge with him.

...But even if that wouldn't have happened, Supes still wouldn't have been a threat at all. He was already circling the drain due to extreme k-nite poisoning.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This is a new continuity, and no they are not. Especially not Teth. True Billy has been treated like shit recently, but those are all alternate versions.

I think it was kind of overkill, but it was awesome so yeah.

I can agree with that