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JLU Amazo was pretty ridiculous as he was able to move Oa with all its inhabitants out of dimension phase in addition to all the other powers he was able to copy.

Grundy's "chaos magic" was too much for him, though, and he BFR'd himself from the situation.

Given his actual feats and those of his opponents, though, I don't think the JLU version of Amazo could beat Odin or Rune King Thor, let alone both of them at the same time. Amazo's best feat was something Odin has done to Asgard on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
JLU Amazo was pretty ridiculous as he was able to move Oa with all its inhabitants out of dimension phase in addition to all the other powers he was able to copy.

Grundy's "chaos magic" was too much for him, though, and he BFR'd himself from the situation.

Given his actual feats and those of his opponents, though, I don't think the JLU version of Amazo could beat Odin or Rune King Thor, let alone both of them at the same time. Amazo's best feat was something Odin has done to Asgard on more than one occasion.
He also had the power to destroy the subatomic universe and was in the process of actually destroying it before Luthor convinced him otherwise . IMO , almost destroying an entire universe should be considered his best feat , not just BFRing a planet to another dimension .

Chaos Magic was a convenient plot device to get rid of him though , as that episode was devoted to Hawkgirl , and Amazo with his power could have ended the whole fiasco in a nanosecond . Not to mention that based on his evolving ability , he's probably immune to Chaos Magic ever since that episode .

Destroying a non-essential sub-atomic/pocket universe, while impressive, doesn't strike me as more impressive than forcibly moving Oa, with the Lantern Corps and Guardians present, to another plane of existence.

The Chaos Magic thing did happen, however, regardless of whether or not we believe it should have, and the Odin Force and Rune Magic wielded by Odin and RKT are both many leagues more potent than the mysticism invoked by a bunch of nerd kids by accident.

Via feats, Amazo didn't do anything that puts him on the same level as the team, let alone capable of beating them.

odin force and rune magic are not 'Chaos' magic

What's the difference? I mean, was chaos magic ever explicitly defined?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's the difference? I mean, was chaos magic ever explicitly defined? no, but im quite sure there are unique elements that differentiate chaos magic from odin force or rune magic

amazo might have a weakness against chaos, as he is Artificial intelligence

So Wanda would obliterate cartoon Amazo then?

Originally posted by Glorificus
So Wanda would obliterate cartoon Amazo then?


From what I can tell, Wanda can obliterate 1/3rd of the full portion of everything in existence that people think shouldn't be obliterate-able.

Wanda's last adventure is merely the most recent example that comes to mind, not really anything especially noteworthy.
Flaming birds, mutants, demons, whatever; after nearly everything else has been tried, if you still need your problem gone, call Scarlet Witch.
First time I ever saw her in the comics, in fact, Wanda put down 1 or more powerful magic-enhanced beasts, then trapped the archvillain that created them.
Thing is, this villain commanded power over time itself, was thought immune to magic, and thought immune to everything else, owing to his part of his power BEING his opponent's power.
(Marvelt Team-Up #43, Volume 1)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/darkrider.htm


Come to think of it, the only person who seems to trump Wanda, if a situation ever gets desperate enough to call her in, is ... Victor Von Doom.

He's the true hero of last resort.


Kitty Pryde needs saving?

Call Doom.


The (Fantastic Four) Richards' child is dying?
Mr. Fantastic himself isn't the man for the job?

Call Doom.

Onslaught needs stopping?
And he has an impenetrable force field surrounding himself?

Why, simply send Rogue and the Vision!

You don't understand why?
Friend, do you not realize that one role of the doctor is to spread knowledge?
Allow Doom to explain it to you!
Anything you don't understand about your own powers can be learned from him as needed. Why thrash around in confusion?


What's that?

Galactus is about to devour his own worldship, greatest source of energy during the Secret Wars, then destroy all your friends in a bid to take down the Beyonder, most powerful known being in existence?


Dr. Doom to your rescue, baby.
He's got his own axe to grind with Big G!

Beyonder himself?

Dude, Dr. Doom will BECOME the Beyonder, if that's what it takes.
In fact, M.D. or no, Doom shall prove physician enough for whatever ails you.


I understand he even makes house calls.


House calls!

I know, right?


Imagine, house calls by a doctor in THIS day and age!


The world needs more professionals like that ...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Destroying a non-essential sub-atomic/pocket universe, while impressive, doesn't strike me as more impressive than forcibly moving Oa, with the Lantern Corps and Guardians present, to another plane of existence.

The Chaos Magic thing did happen, however, regardless of whether or not we believe it should have, and the Odin Force and Rune Magic wielded by Odin and RKT are both many leagues more potent than the mysticism invoked by a bunch of nerd kids by accident.

Via feats, Amazo didn't do anything that puts him on the same level as the team, let alone capable of beating them.
Well then I guess you and I have different tastes of what's impressive and what's not . Because frankly speaking shifting a planet to another dimension doesn't sound the least bit as impressive as being capable of destroying an entire universe(irrespective of whether its essential or not) with a mere thought .

Not denying that it happened , just that such a plot-device stipulation would probably never happen again , based on Amazo's adaptive evolution ability .
Also , you're lowballing the Chaos Magic as presented in that episode because that same magic had Fate(probably the JLUverse's most elite mage) helpless to do anything . They needed the Nth Metal mace(something which Amazo could have reproduced on his own , which is why the whole situation could be considered PIS)

One-on-one he could provide a decent challenge to Odin , imo . Hell , I am willing to bet he could probably have a shot at duplicating the Odinforce itself , if such a strategy is allowed in battle . RKT , based on the scale of his power alone , would one-shot him though .

Couldn't Amazo just also copy RKT powers?
Plus he has flashes speed and reflexes as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
Couldn't Amazo just also copy RKT powers?
Plus he has flashes speed and reflexes as well.
There's nor proof for that . Ignore the Odinforce copying part of my previous post .

Its not in character for him to use previously copied powers in his recent incarnations . Otherwise he could have just reproduced Hawkgirl's mace and ended Grundy's threat in less than a nanosecond . JLU's Flash's speed and reflexes would be useless against Odin/RKT anyways .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
There's nor proof for that . Ignore the Odinforce copying part of my previous post .

Its not in character for him to use previously copied powers in his recent incarnations . Otherwise he could have just reproduced Hawkgirl's mace and ended Grundy's threat in less than a nanosecond . JLU's Flash's speed and reflexes would be useless against Odin/RKT anyways .

There is proof of that though. In the same issue, it was stayed that he went around the Universe copying even abstracts. He was beyond all. This version of Amazo stomps in my opinion.

Originally posted by carver9
There is proof of that though. In the same issue, it was stayed that he went around the Universe copying even abstracts. He was beyond all. This version of Amazo stomps in my opinion.
First of all , its an animated series , not a comic book issue . And do you have proof that he copied that reality's Abstracts , apart from Amazo's own vague self-hyperbole("In my travels through space , I have attained mastery of forces all but incomprehensible to humans" ?

Here's the episode in question :
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For further reference , here's the other(the only one else) original episode he appeared in :
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lol @ Carver

Him beating Odin is a stretch. Him beating the team isn't happening.

The idea of Amazo, somehow, stomping them is hilarious.

We clearly saw he had limits. If the chaotic energies which revived Grundy were too much for him, he'll break down upon facing the Odin Force.

If Amazo copies Thor and Odin's powers, he obviously wins-- but given his FAIL vs. Grundy's magics, I'm hard-pressed to see him duping their powers. /shrug

Aside from that, the Asgardians STOMP, imo.

Though Chaos Magic =! Odin Force. I can see why a machine, which is build by logic and "order" fails to copy Chaos.

If he's built on logic and order, I can definitely see him having issues (ie. failing hard) with copying a potent source of magic that craps all over logic and reasoning.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If he's built on logic and order, I can definitely see him having issues (ie. failing hard) with copying a potent source of magic that craps all over logic and reasoning.

Magic is another word for science the humans don't understand. Didn't Odin said that... oh wait it was movie Thor.

Chaos =! Order. That was my point. Not that he has a problem to copy magic, which still has an inner order (iow rules) to it. If it wouldn't one could prep spell or cast the same spell again, right?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Magic is another word for science the humans don't understand. Didn't Odin said that... oh wait it was movie Thor.

Chaos =! Order. That was my point. Not that he has a problem to copy magic, which still has an inner order (iow rules) to it. If it wouldn't one could prep spell or cast the same spell again, right?

Yes, that line is from the movies. Even in the comics, every once in a while you have a scientist like Pym or Richards state something similar. And then magic completely wrecks science something fierce.

In any case, given that we've seen Amazo fail at copying/handling mysticism of some kind (which, via direct comparison is vastly inferior to what the Odin Force or Rune Magic is capable of) and we've seen the upper limits of Amazo's power as well as Odin's and RKT's, I think it's very unlikely Amazo could even copy their power.

And if that's the case, Amazo is getting messed up hardcore.

Didn't Amazo eventually copy Chaos, anyway?

Didn't Amazo nullify Fate? Been a while since I watched it...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't Amazo nullify Fate? Been a while since I watched it...
Fate was never a threat to him to begin with .

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, that line is from the movies. Even in the comics, every once in a while you have a scientist like Pym or Richards state something similar. And then magic completely wrecks science something fierce.

In any case, given that we've seen Amazo fail at copying/handling mysticism of some kind (which, via direct comparison is vastly inferior to what the Odin Force or Rune Magic is capable of) and we've seen the upper limits of Amazo's power as well as Odin's and RKT's, I think it's very unlikely Amazo could even copy their power.

And if that's the case, Amazo is getting messed up hardcore.
Amazo never attempted to copy Grundy's magic . And Chaos Magic could only be nulled by Nth metal(magic and mysticism's kryptonite in that universe) .

We've never really seen the upper limits of Amazo's duplication powers either .