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Thor and Loki (Classic Loki to be exact) working as a team take on the Elders of the Universe one at a time in the following gauntlet...

Thor and Loki are restrored to full strength after every round of combat and all fights are to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

How far does Thor and Loki get?


1) The Champion...
2) The Collector...
3) The Gardener...
4) The Runner...
5) The Grandmaster...
6) Ego...

Collector could beat either one individually. It gets murky two on one though.

They stop at Grandmaster though for sure.

The Elders fluctuate a great deal. It would hardly surprise me if a high end Thor beat any of them by himself. Nor would it be shocking if one of them took on an Avengers line-up. You know how those things go.

Isn't the Stranger an Elder, or is that just my imagination?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Collector could beat either one individually. It gets murky two on one though.

They stop at Grandmaster though for sure.

Hmm, curious. Last time they battled, the two were pretty much even.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Elders fluctuate a great deal. It would hardly surprise me if a high end Thor beat any of them by himself. Nor would it be shocking if one of them took on an Avengers line-up.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Elders fluctuate a great deal. It would hardly surprise me if a high end Thor beat any of them by himself. Nor would it be shocking if one of them took on an Avengers line-up. You know how those things go.

Isn't the Stranger an Elder, or is that just my imagination?



Hmm, curious. Last time they battled, the two were pretty much even. it would hardly surprise me if Grandmaster killed Odin. Or if the entire race of Asgardians took him out after a long battle.
Look how neutral I am.

Who Collector? Wasn't he punching Thor around pretty easily and Thor resorted to damaging his shit instead of fighting him?
And he also got easily beat by Alter Ego too there. And that was with acknowledging his previous win over Ego

if we look at the champion's first appearance, they stop there. collector is capable of beating them, gardener has almost no battle appearances that i'm aware of save against the hulk. runner is capable of beating them but GM should easily stomp both the vast majority of the time imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
if we look at the champion's first appearance, they stop there. collector is capable of beating them, gardener has almost no battle appearances that i'm aware of save against the hulk. runner is capable of beating them but GM should easily stomp both the vast majority of the time imo.
You have great faith in the Elders my friend

I think they beat 1-3 pretty easily. They stop dead in their tracks at 4 though.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
it would hardly surprise me if Grandmaster killed Odin. Or if the entire race of Asgardians took him out after a long battle.
Look how neutral I am.

Who Collector? Wasn't he punching Thor around pretty easily and Thor resorted to damaging his shit instead of fighting him?
And he also got easily beat by Alter Ego too there. And that was with acknowledging his previous win over Ego

I see what you did there but what I said is actually plausible.

Here's the fight:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033930_AST02-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033931_AST02-011.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033932_AST02-012.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033933_AST02-013.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033935_AST02-014.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033936_AST02-015.jpg

Pretty even more or less. Despite the Collector powering up for the first time.

Yup, he swallowed Thor ftw. But as you yourself pointed out, if Thor decides to unleash a powerful enough blast (Or bombards him from a distance with attacks), he can win. He's not going to beat Ego hammering away at his very surface however unless he decides to go for his core. That being said, a high end Ego is closer to Galactus/Odin types and it would be one of those uphill battles that Thor is known for.

Did you hear btw? Old Thor and Galactus are facing off in February.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I see what you did there but what I said is actually plausible.

Here's the fight:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033930_AST02-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033931_AST02-011.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033932_AST02-012.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033933_AST02-013.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033935_AST02-014.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/17033936_AST02-015.jpg

Pretty even more or less. Despite the Collector powering up for the first time.

Yup, he swallowed Thor ftw. But as you yourself pointed out, if Thor decides to unleash a powerful enough blast (Or bombards him from a distance with attacks), he can win. He's not going to beat Ego hammering away at his very surface however unless he decides to go for his core. That being said, a high end Ego is closer to Galactus/Odin types and it would be one of those uphill battles that Thor is known for.

Did you hear btw? Old Thor and Galactus are facing off in February. Not going by "The hero wins in comics" logic is what I was doing.

Right, Collector would have ruined him had he continued (or not just thrown punches). Last time he transformed it took the Uni Mind to take him down.

Which only worked because Ego wasn't actively attacking him. But as we seen, Ego has the power to utterly wreck Thor easily.

Hell, Ronan with Ego's power beat Beta Ray Bill, Thor, Namor, Hercules, changing Hulk, and pretty much every other hero close to Earth while Surfer, and then Quasar were draining his power.

What we've seen is that Old Thor shouldn't stand a chance. I don't know why you're excited about that unless you're looking for PIS.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Not going by "The hero wins in comics" logic is what I was doing.

Right, Collector would have ruined him had he continued (or not just thrown punches). Last time he transformed it took the Uni Mind to take him down.

Which only worked because Ego wasn't actively attacking him. But as we seen, Ego has the power to utterly wreck Thor easily.

Hell, Ronan with Ego's power beat Beta Ray Bill, Thor, Namor, Hercules, changing Hulk, and pretty much every other hero close to Earth while Surfer, and then Quasar were draining his power.

What we've seen is that Old Thor shouldn't stand a chance. I don't know why you're excited about that unless you're looking for PIS.

Using that kind of mindset, we might as well as discount most of the hero's feats. What I said was perfectly reasonable and if you don't think it's a very possible outcome, then you haven't read many comics.

As indicated by what? Thor putting Collector on his knees, and Collector's punches knocking Thor back and doing absolutely no damage whatsoever?

What? Ego was very much attacking Thor:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo05.jpg

Okay? Good for Ego. Fortunately, Thor has his own high end showings to draw from. Some of them against Ego himself.

Christ, you Galactus fans are a horribly dreary bunch. I was hoping for just a good comic, but now I want Old Thor to kick his ass.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
but now I want Old Thor to kick his ass.
After what we've seen from Galactus these passed few years, any scenario less than him absolutely pushing Thor's shit in can be considered PIS of the highest order.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Using that kind of mindset, we might as well as discount most of the hero's feats. What I said was perfectly reasonable and if you don't think it's a very possible outcome, then you haven't read many comics.

As indicated by what? Thor putting Collector on his knees, and Collector's punches knocking Thor back and doing absolutely no damage whatsoever?

What? Ego was very much attacking Thor:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsEgo05.jpg

Okay? Good for Ego. Fortunately, Thor has his own high end showings to draw from. Some of them against Ego himself.

Christ, you Galactus fans are a horribly dreary bunch. I was hoping for just a good comic, but now I want Old Thor to kick his ass. I'm not discounting any feats at all. I'm saying you can't attribute feats to Thor just because on one day you could see him beating Grandmaster (and in the same breath say you could see Grandmaster beating the whole Avengers).
I can't discount feats you made up.

As indicated by Collector's past feats. As indicated by a refusal to fight him. Collector was beating Thane Ector, Hercules, Quasar, and other Avengers when he was powered up. If you think a tiny scuffle is indicative of Thor being on his level, then I don't know what to tell you.

Raising his body temp and throwing tiny human sized beings at Thor isn't the extent of Ego's power. If the fight starts out you know, with Thor outside of Ego, and Ego is actually attacking him with attacks? There's a bad chance for Thor.

Yes, let's discount a showing of Ego's power, and let's look instead to when he keeps people on his planet for whatever ungodly reason. It's the equivalent of say Thor fighting Ant Man by inhaling him.
I realize Ego has shitty showings, but in an actual battle setting where the hero isn't conveniently inside him? It's not the most applicable.
Thor can defeat Ego if he's inside him. Thor gets destroyed if he's not inside Ego. Simply put.

No you weren't. I've seen your posts inside the Ownage thread. All you want is feats for Thor.
I've stated my opinion of the battle you asked me about, and now you want Thor to easily win? Yeah, you were certainly looking for a good comic.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the fight in much the same way you'd be looking forward to a fight between Thing and Thor, or Spider-Man/Thor in the former's comics. One side of the fans will clearly be looking forward to it more.

Also, are you taking a jab at me because I think Galactus should beat King Thor decisively (outside of comics of course)?

You realize you're saying this while defending Thor's chances alone against Skyfather and trans level characters, right? And that I'm a Thor fan...



One side will always be more bias than the other when you (a Galactus hater) talk to me about him and Asgardian characters.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm not discounting any feats at all. I'm saying you can't attribute feats to Thor just because on one day you could see him beating Grandmaster (and in the same breath say you could see Grandmaster beating the whole Avengers).
I can't discount feats you made up.

As indicated by Collector's past feats. As indicated by a refusal to fight him. Collector was beating Thane Ector, Hercules, Quasar, and other Avengers when he was powered up. If you think a tiny scuffle is indicative of Thor being on his level, then I don't know what to tell you.

That's not what I did. Whatever, a pointless venue of discussion.

So not the actual fight they had then? That fight doesn't set things in stone but it very well helps portray the idea that Thor and Collector are on the same level. Especially since Collector powered up to fight Thor and did no damage. You don't go Super Saiyan and trade blows briefly but evenly if you were facing someone that you could crush or something.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Raising his body temp and throwing tiny human sized beings at Thor isn't the extent of Ego's power. If the fight starts out you know, with Thor outside of Ego, and Ego is actually attacking him with attacks? There's a bad chance for Thor.

Yes, let's discount a showing of Ego's power, and let's look instead to when he keeps people on his planet for whatever ungodly reason. It's the equivalent of say Thor fighting Ant Man by inhaling him.
I realize Ego has shitty showings, but in an actual battle setting where the hero isn't conveniently inside him? It's not the most applicable.
Thor can defeat Ego if he's inside him. Thor gets destroyed if he's not inside Ego. Simply put.

It certainly doesn't hurt though. And we've seen that Thor's weather control can counter Ego's bodily control and that he has sufficient fire power to take out the planet. Ego might be favored, but you're fooling yourself if you think Thor has no shot. Even when on his surface, when Thor isn't trying to atomize the entire goddamn planetary mass, he can mount a successful offense:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17036302_Thor_227-12.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17036303_Thor_227-13.jpg

I'm not discounting it. I'm simply pointing out that Thor has very powerful showings as well so it doesn't end the discussion. I just posted scans of Thor beating Ego while being on his surface.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No you weren't. I've seen your posts inside the Ownage thread. All you want is feats for Thor.
I've stated my opinion of the battle you asked me about, and now you want Thor to easily win? Yeah, you were certainly looking for a good comic.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the fight in much the same way you'd be looking forward to a fight between Thing and Thor, or Spider-Man/Thor in the former's comics. One side of the fans will clearly be looking forward to it more.

The idea that I just want high end feats from Thor was debunked when I spent all of Fraction's run begging for him to be taken off of Thor. Hint: Not all fanboys prefer feats over stories. If that was my cup of tea, I'd switch over to Hulk.

You didn't just state your opinion, you mocked the idea that I could be excited for the encounter in the first place. The fact that you find the very idea of them matching up insulting apparently is annoying and is why I hope Thor kicks his ass.

Thor and Loki get up to the Runner on teamwork alone

Thor beating Grandmaster is laughable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not what I did. Whatever, a pointless venue of discussion.

So not the actual fight they had then? That fight doesn't set things in stone but it very well helps portray the idea that Thor and Collector are on the same level. Especially since Collector powered up to fight Thor and did no damage. You don't go Super Saiyan and trade blows briefly but evenly if you were facing someone that you could crush or something. Exactly what you did.

Why would the actual fight if it amounts to nothing?
Collector struck him once with a physical attack when he's mainly an energy being.
Because Collector is weak as hell if doesn't power up. He was getting blood drawn on him by Thane Ector, and as soon as he powered up he one shotted him, in the same issue Thane was beating Hercules. Who has long drawn out fights with Thor... Which makes him pretty much the equal of Thor, no? I mean, if a very very short fight puts Collector as the equal of Thor, then long drawn out fights that specifically show Hercules being the equal of Thor should put them as such, no?

Anyway, a short fight puts them as equals, because why the hell not. But Collector fully unleashed has him above like 3 beings on Thor's level at the same time. Should I take the short skirmish as gospel?



Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It certainly doesn't hurt though. And we've seen that Thor's weather control can counter Ego's bodily control and that he has sufficient fire power to take out the planet. Ego might be favored, but you're fooling yourself if you think Thor has no shot. Even when on his surface, when Thor isn't trying to atomize the entire goddamn planetary mass, he can mount a successful offense:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17036302_Thor_227-12.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17036303_Thor_227-13.jpg

I'm not discounting it. I'm simply pointing out that Thor has very powerful showings as well so it doesn't end the discussion. I just posted scans of Thor beating Ego while being on his surface. And that again, is retarded. It only worked because Ego created a tiny construct to fight them with.

Thor defeating what amounts to a construct of Ego isn't him defeating Ego. But like I said earlier, when the hero isn't on him or in him. Was he one of the two? Yes. Can Ego create shields to stop people from flying onto or in him? Yes.
Should Ego defeat Thor more often than not? I think so, what do you think Rage?


Also, Thor has been knocked out by Ego at range. He got crushed by weakened Ronan empowered by Ego. And he got crushed by Alter Ego.
He beat Ego by being inside him and blasting a thermal blast. And he beat an Ego construct.

Thor has ways to get in or on Ego, but in a battle thread where he isn't inside Ego already, or where the fight starts when he's on Ego, I think his chances are less than great.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The idea that I just want high end feats from Thor was debunked when I spent all of Fraction's run begging for him to be taken off of Thor. Hint: Not all fanboys prefer feats over stories. If that was my cup of tea, I'd switch over to Hulk.

You didn't just state your opinion, you mocked the idea that I could be excited for the encounter in the first place. The fact that you find the very idea of them matching up insulting apparently is annoying and is why I hope Thor kicks his ass. And you also cried for an entire year because Thor was getting knocked out every book. And you also use Fraction feats in like every Thor thread.

I wondered why you'd be excited if Thor is a fighting a guy who should easily beat him. Is it because you're expecting Thor to lose?

You realize I read your responses in the Ownage Thread don't you?
But yes, me thinking Galactus should win is why you were so ready to hope Thor kicks his ass.
You're just a featfish Rage, as evidenced by possibly any fight Thor could be in in the future and your responses. And that's cool, but let's not pretend it's anything but.

You want to argue with me about a fight I clearly have no interest in and apparently you want Thor to kick his ass just to spite me? You clearly wanted to discuss the merits of said comic book with me! Mayhaps you wanted to discuss the coloring of the comic book too?



Anyway, to recap:
You said Thor could beat anyone in this thread, including Grandmaster, and Ego. You want Thor to defeat Galactus just because I said Galactus should win decisively and the fight is pointless.
How do you Thor fans live with us Galactus fans?