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Minus the Flashes and Zoom are there characters that can combat at light speed. What character has 'combat' showings that is light speed and beyond? Please provide scans if you can.

The Runner surpassed lightspeed while in possession of the Space Gem.

Apparently Northstar (and Aurora)
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AstonishingX-Men060-004_zps7a9bd0c5.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AstonishingX-Men060-005_zpsfb2e7a07.jpg

The Twins with the Children of the Vault upgrade (lost this)
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/xmen190005qg7.jpg
2. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/aurora2.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Minus the Flashes and Zoom are there characters that can combat at light speed. What character has 'combat' showings that is light speed and beyond? Please provide scans if you can.

Some scans from the Runner vs Thanos when Runner was blitzing him and dodging his attacks.

http://imgur.com/a/c8YSB

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/5302/600453-photon_vsquicksilverel0.jpg

Nice scans.

Neat.

Originally posted by carver9
Minus the Flashes and Zoom are there characters that can combat at light speed. What character has 'combat' showings that is light speed and beyond? Please provide scans if you can.
For sures (on panel evidence)
Glads, Hyperion (the one that fought Glads), Northstar, lightray, runner, Superman, WW, and Surfer. I can't think of anyone else.

Maybes (don't know of any on panel evidence)
CM, BA

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
For sures (on panel evidence)
Glads, Hyperion (the one that fought Glads), Northstar, lightray, runner, Superman, WW, and Surfer. I can't think of anyone else.

Maybes (don't know of any on panel evidence)
CM, BA

You have scans of any of them combating at light speed?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt1.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt2.jpg

And then Surfer is boogying around Scuttlebutt while firing blasts:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_surfer1.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
You have scans of any of them combating at light speed?

My collection isn't organized. I don't really have individual scans put into folders of feats.

I'm pretty sure you know the scenes if I describe them. Maybe someone here can post the scans.
Glads-fight with Hyperion
Hyperion-fight with Glads
WW-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously
Superman-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously, vibrating intangible through energy beams, walking and talking casually within nanoseconds, blitzing faster than the speed of his HV, etc.
Northstar-shown here
Runner-blitzing Thanos
Lightray-shown here
Surfer-fight against Deathurge, chasing Bill

Originally posted by h1a8
For sures (on panel evidence)
Glads, Hyperion (the one that fought Glads), Northstar, lightray, runner, Superman, WW, and Surfer. I can't think of anyone else.

Maybes (don't know of any on panel evidence)
CM, BA

Every Hyperion ever published has had super speed from my knowledge. This includes King Hyperion.

Superman ran circles around Omega Beams which are confirmed FTL.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ApokolipsNowb.jpg

They were actually gaining over Flashes going at their top speed.

http://i.imgur.com/BxSVkqe.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-013.jpg

So yeah, suck on that surfer.

w00tw00t

-kingdom gog.
-the plutonian.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

flying speed via surf board =\= fighting speed and overall movement speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman ran circles around Omega Beams which are confirmed FTL.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ApokolipsNowb.jpg

They were actually gaining over Flashes going at their top speed.

http://i.imgur.com/BxSVkqe.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-013.jpg

So yeah, suck on that surfer.

w00tw00t

facepalm

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
flying speed via surf board =\= fighting speed and overall movement speed. It does when one maneuvers in close quarters at that speed.
For it requires ftl speed reflexes and movement speed.
Fighting = evasive maneuvering too.
Surfer could have easily threw in a few blasts while he was doing that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman ran circles around Omega Beams which are confirmed FTL.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ApokolipsNowb.jpg

They were actually gaining over Flashes going at their top speed.

http://i.imgur.com/BxSVkqe.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-013.jpg

So yeah, suck on that surfer.

w00tw00t You must have no dick at all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm
What? I was just joking on surfer part.Originally posted by Galan007
-kingdom gog.
-the plutonian.
Speaking of Gog, Superman and KC Superman blitzing him before he could respond and operating in a nanosecond is ridiculously impressive.

i.imgur.com/E95qsn0.jpg

"I'm a nanosecond ahead from you."

Originally posted by NemeBro
You must have no dick at all. Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm

sad part is that abhi doesn't even try to troll; this is just who he is.
h1 doesn't try either, but at least he's right sometimes, no matter how little

i think quan is actually more bearable than these two.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? I was just joking on surfer part.
Speaking of Gog, Superman and KC Superman blitzing him before he could respond and operating in a nanosecond is ridiculously impressive.

i.imgur.com/E95qsn0.jpg

"I'm a nanosecond ahead from you."

Hard to believe you didn't know what you were possibly causing, tbh.

But he's innocent! He might even post the shrugging smiley?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hard to believe you didn't know what you were possibly causing, tbh.
Joking is prohibited now?

Originally posted by carver9
Minus the Flashes and Zoom are there characters that can combat at light speed. What character has 'combat' showings that is light speed and beyond? Please provide scans if you can.

Sentry using lightspeed to blitz Morgana Le Fay and tear her head off before she even knows what's happened.

http://i.imgur.com/mDJEdcfl.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Joking is prohibited now?

No, baiting is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, baiting is.
I'm sorry if you think that was baiting.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Sentry using lightspeed to blitz Morgana Le Fay and tear her head off before she even knows what's happened.

http://i.imgur.com/mDJEdcfl.jpg
How's that lightspeed blitzing?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm sorry if you think that was baiting.


How's that lightspeed blitzing?

I'd like for you to explain why it wasn't then.

- Attack before someone reacts
- Lightspeed

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman ran circles around Omega Beams which are confirmed FTL.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Speed/combat/ApokolipsNowb.jpg

They were actually gaining over Flashes going at their top speed.

http://i.imgur.com/BxSVkqe.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-012.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=FC07-013.jpg

So yeah, suck on that surfer.

w00tw00t

Batman outreacts the Omega Sanction, and even gets the last word in.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmuqyaeqGg1qidrtmo1_500.jpg
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/batman-darkseid1.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
It does when one maneuvers in close quarters at that speed.
For it requires ftl speed reflexes and movement speed.
Fighting = evasive maneuvering too.
Surfer could have easily threw in a few blasts while he was doing that.

no. fighting speed is the speed of moving your body parts at a certain speed, also reflex. however what surfer did is just flying at a certain speed. can he react, move his arms legs and body in such a speed? please show me him doing so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he's innocent! He might even post the shrugging smiley?
You Devil's advocate, you!

Great Batman/DS scan, btw. The little guy overcoming huge odds is what comics is all about, though others can surely see that scene in a different way.

Originally posted by riv6672
You Devil's advocate, you!

Great Batman/DS scan, btw. The little guy overcoming huge odds is what comics is all about, though others can surely see that scene in a different way, which is wrong and counter to your point of view (and hence, irrefutably wrong).

Fixed.

What? But i...thats not what i...EEK!http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w344/riv6672/smilies/scared-runaway4.gif

Originally posted by h1a8
My collection isn't organized. I don't really have individual scans put into folders of feats.

I'm pretty sure you know the scenes if I describe them. Maybe someone here can post the scans.
Glads-fight with Hyperion
Hyperion-fight with Glads
WW-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously
Superman-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously, vibrating intangible through energy beams, walking and talking casually within nanoseconds, blitzing faster than the speed of his HV, etc.
Northstar-shown here
Runner-blitzing Thanos
Lightray-shown here
Surfer-fight against Deathurge, chasing Bill

A lot of those doesn't sound like light speed combat.

Originally posted by carver9
Minus the Flashes and Zoom are there characters that can combat at light speed. What character has 'combat' showings that is light speed and beyond? Please provide scans if you can.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Fresh off some long term amnesia, Makkari not fully aware of what he's capable of is slowly getting acclimated to his powers again. There's some kind of Doppler effect happening to him in his "red" and "blue" perception. I think that has something to do with something moving at around light speed.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-02-023.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-02-024.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-02-025.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-03-003.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-03-004.jpg http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/e-03-005.jpg

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
no. fighting speed is the speed of moving your body parts at a certain speed, also reflex. however what surfer did is just flying at a certain speed. can he react, move his arms legs and body in such a speed? please show me him doing so.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7666/785937-9silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

Reacting to someone at mid teleportation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman outreacts the Omega Sanction, and even gets the last word in.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmuqyaeqGg1qidrtmo1_500.jpg
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/batman-darkseid1.jpg

Um... NO!

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
no. fighting speed is the speed of moving your body parts at a certain speed, also reflex. however what surfer did is just flying at a certain speed. can he react, move his arms legs and body in such a speed? please show me him doing so. so you are referring to h2h fighting. Well there is a feat where Surfers busts out, with his arms, of a machine draining him in a nanosecond (I'm not sure though of the feat). If that's true then Surfer has shown he can move his limbs light speed or faster.

Originally posted by carver9
A lot of those doesn't sound like light speed combat. which ones

Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm You know what you must do, Raoul

Originally posted by h1a8
My collection isn't organized. I don't really have individual scans put into folders of feats.

I'm pretty sure you know the scenes if I describe them. Maybe someone here can post the scans.
Glads-fight with Hyperion
Hyperion-fight with Glads
WW-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously
Superman-blocking multiple beams of energy simultaneously, vibrating intangible through energy beams, walking and talking casually within nanoseconds, blitzing faster than the speed of his HV, etc.
Northstar-shown here
Runner-blitzing Thanos
Lightray-shown here
Surfer-fight against Deathurge, chasing Bill

Wonder Woman blocking beams since we don't know how fast those beams were.

Superman blocking beams for the same reason. Wouldn't that make Captain America light speed? Vibrating. Intangible (don't know when this happened). Walking and talking isn't a combat showing (don't know what scene you are talking about).

What did Lightray do?

What Surfer showing?

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman blocking beams since we don't know how fast those beams were.

Superman blocking beams for the same reason. Wouldn't that make Captain America light speed? Vibrating. Intangible (don't know when this happened). Walking and talking isn't a combat showing (don't know what scene you are talking about).

What did Lightray do?

What Surfer showing? I thought beams were considered light speed on kmc if they appeared straight (non fluffy looking).

Captain America aim blocks beams. Also blocking a single beam isn't light speed. You must move your arms to block multiple beams simultaneously.

Mongol shot at Superman with an energy beam, before the beam hit Superman he vibrated intangible and passed through it like a ghost.

The scene where Hal, Clark (he lied and said the time dilation didn't affect him), and deadman were talking within a nanosecond. Clark walked at least 10 ft and spoken several sentences in that span. Just imagine if he threw a punch instead of talk and walk. So it counts.

Light ray moved at light speed to hit quicksilver (quicksilver couldn't respond). In that scene, she states that she moves at the speed of light.

Surfer circles Deathurge many times claiming to move faster than light.
Surfer chases scuttlebutt and is shown reacting and moving to warp speed changes in its direction (Bill was trying to shake SS off the path).

Originally posted by carver9
. Walking and talking isn't a combat showing.
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This makes no sense. If someone can walk, perceive, understand and "talk" at lightspeed, there is no reason (sans PIS) to him be incapable to fight in same speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
Light ray moved at light speed to hit quicksilver (quicksilver couldn't respond). In that scene, she states that she moves at the speed of light..

That's captain marvel aka photon, Spectrum, Pulsar, etc

Lightray is a DC New God

Originally posted by h1a8
I thought beams were considered light speed on kmc if they appeared straight (non fluffy looking).

Captain America aim blocks beams. Also blocking a single beam isn't light speed. You must move your arms to block multiple beams simultaneously.

Mongol shot at Superman with an energy beam, before the beam hit Superman he vibrated intangible and passed through it like a ghost.

The scene where Hal, Clark (he lied and said the time dilation didn't affect him), and deadman were talking within a nanosecond. Clark walked at least 10 ft and spoken several sentences in that span. Just imagine if he threw a punch instead of talk and walk. So it counts.

Light ray moved at light speed to hit quicksilver (quicksilver couldn't respond). In that scene, she states that she moves at the speed of light.

Surfer circles Deathurge many times claiming to move faster than light.
Surfer chases scuttlebutt and is shown reacting and moving to warp speed changes in its direction (Bill was trying to shake SS off the path).

How fast were those beams that Mongul shot?

Lol...so every showing Cap has with beams is him aim blocking?

I'm not going into the Hal and Supes showing but the purpose of this thread is 'combat' showings.

The Surfer showing is flight speed.

Originally posted by carver9
The Surfer showing is flight speed. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg Originally posted by carver9


But he zips around at lightspeed to avoid attacks and then blasts Deathurge.
And the Scuttlebutt one had him flying around Scuttlebutt while blasting the entire time something that was moving at lightspeed or above. Like I mean, literally two things were moving at lightspeed, and one was flying around the other in circles while shooting attacks at it. What is that if it isn't combat?

I guess for carver if the guy didnt do a PUNCH in super speed this is not "combat speed".

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But he zips around at lightspeed to avoid attacks and then blasts Deathurge.
And the Scuttlebutt one had him flying around Scuttlebutt while blasting the entire time something that was moving at lightspeed or above. Like I mean, literally two things were moving at lightspeed, and one was flying around the other in circles while shooting attacks at it. What is that if it isn't combat?

Didn't realize he was talking about that one. If so, I agree with it. The others I disagree with though. Answer those for me H1.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I guess for carver if the guy didnt do a PUNCH in super speed this is not "combat speed".

Not what I am saying. There are some Hulk threads that has just been bumped. Please satisfy your lowballing pleasures in those threads.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Spectrum (Monica) owns Quickfire who has localized time manipulation.

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/MightyAvengers2013-005-012_zps3d9d38ab.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/MightyAvengers2013-005-013_zpsc8a8ce58.jpg

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Miscellany/MightyAvengers2013-005-014_zps31024692.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't realize he was talking about that one. If so, I agree with it. The others I disagree with though. Answer those for me H1.

I don't really see why some still question those feats? I mean his got em pulling an attack while moving at those speed.

Then there's this feat as we'll.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7666/785937-9silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

That should pretty much stop all those FTL combat question.

Originally posted by Ambient
I don't really see why some still question those feats? I mean his got em pulling an attack while moving at those speed.

Then there's this feat as we'll.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7666/785937-9silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

That should pretty much stop all those FTL combat question.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast were those beams that Mongul shot?

Lol...so every showing Cap has with beams is him aim blocking?

I'm not going into the Hal and Supes showing but the purpose of this thread is 'combat' showings.

The Surfer showing is flight speed.

Cap has no showings where he blocks or dodges beams AFTER they are fired. Even if he did then he didn't move at light speed. He must block multiple beams at the same time to be considered moving at light speed. You only need a fraction of the speed to block something from afar.

All straight looking beams (not fiery or fluffy) are excepted to go at the speed of light here.

The purpose of the thread is TO PROVE that a character can fight at light speed.

Define fighting at light speed.
I'm thinking it is having the ability to move one's limbs at light speed or beyond, respond to light speed attacks from 5ft or less, and maneuver around at light speed or less.

Originally posted by Ambient
I don't really see why some still question those feats? I mean his got em pulling an attack while moving at those speed.

Then there's this feat as we'll.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7666/785937-9silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg

That should pretty much stop all those FTL combat question.

Surfer most definitely can fight at light speed and has ftl reflexes but this isn't a feat at all.

Teleporting is also considering changing something from matter to energy then transporting it to another place and finally, changing it from energy to matter.

The guy who was teleporting converted energy for awhile (Surfer was tracking him). When the guy decides to reappear, Surfer then blasts him.

Not a reflex feat at all but rather a super sense feat by Surfer.

Nova Prime:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11111/111115588/3272685-nova+10.jpg

Surfer (blitzing Nova Prime):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/35308/1742414-nova_14_dcp_005.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
so you are referring to h2h fighting. Well there is a feat where Surfers busts out, with his arms, of a machine draining him in a nanosecond (I'm not sure though of the feat). If that's true then Surfer has shown he can move his limbs light speed or faster. I once did some rough calculations regarding that feat. Turned out Surfer was moving his limbs at about 6 cee.

@large:

Surfer's a toughie regarding h2h combat speed. I don't recall him ever actually fighting FTL h2h; and the scene mentioned above is the only one (again, afaik), where he moves his limbs that fast. As I see it, Surfer lacks such feats largely because this is not how he fights. He prefers energy attacks, which dramatically reduces the chances/need for h2h combat. Plus, those he has fought h2h, (eg, Thing, Abomination), were hardly speedsters themselves, so neither was there need for FTL. Clearly though, Surfer has moved his limbs FTL at least once; and that he can do it at all makes sense, given his powerset.

I think it's logical to infer that Surfer can fight h2h @ FTL. But given that he rarely fights h2h to begin with, I don't see him being as adept, as say, Superman or the Flash.

In Comicvine, Superman is regarded as sub-light speed in combat.
Is it wrong?

Depending on version, it can be.

Preboot Superman has defined examples of reacting to things moving at light speed/ftl.

Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer most definitely can fight at light speed and has ftl reflexes but this isn't a feat at all.

Teleporting is also considering changing something from matter to energy then transporting it to another place and finally, changing it from energy to matter.

The guy who was teleporting converted energy for awhile (Surfer was tracking him). When the guy decides to reappear, Surfer then blasts him.

Not a reflex feat at all but rather a super sense feat by Surfer.
We'll the point is Surfer can fight at ftl which u seemed to agree. So I guess we just have to leave it at agree to disagree on posted scan.