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Every battle, every scenario, is exactly alike except for one difference.

Doomsday takes World War Hulk's place.

How far does he get?



1) DOS Doomsday
2) HP Doomsday
3) Doomsday Wars Doomsday
4) DCNU Doomsday

1) DOS Doomsday, stalemates with Sentry
2) HP Doomsday, goes through everyone with ease
3) Doomsday Wars Doomsday, goes through everyone with ease
4) DCNU Doomsday, beats Sentry (who wanted to lose) but not easily.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Every battle, every scenario, is exactly alike except for one difference.

Doomsday takes World War Hulk's place.

How far does he get?



1) DOS Doomsday
2) HP Doomsday
3) Doomsday Wars Doomsday
4) DCNU Doomsday

1-3 does better than WWH. Speed and claws are extra.
I'm not sure about 4) though. Didn't read much on him. Don't know his feats (except the WW one), especially his speed feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
1-3 does better than WWH. Speed and claws are extra.
I'm not sure about 4) though. Didn't read much on him. Don't know his feats (except the WW one), especially his speed feats.

I agree. All are stronger than WWH but DOS is close in strength while HP and Doomsday Wars DD are vastly stronger. But all have far more abilities, speed, claws etc. 4th one is tricky, because his near proximity is deadly to all.

Both of you guys don't believe Dos Doomsday was stronger than that Hulk even if you try to say so whenever the chance presents itself.

You both wouldn't be able to make that case in a battlezone i bet

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Both of you guys don't believe Dos Doomsday was stronger than that Hulk even if you try to say so whenever the chance presents itself.

You both wouldn't be able to make that case in a battlezone i bet

TBH I do believe that DOS DD was stronger than WWH.

Well you and H1N1 can argue that in tandem against me if you want to stand by that

Oh, that'd be fun to watch. In a battlezone anyway.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Well you and H1N1 can argue that in tandem against me if you want to stand by that

I stand by that. If you disagree, fine, I can't honestly say that I care about your believes. No offense.

There's a good chance Zom Strange beats them all to death as long as he doesn't hesitate and get glassed.
Though he's the only thing off the top of my head with enough power output to put the two middle DDs down. Sentry might be able to KO DD Wars DD though with a big attack.

Adamantium bomb might put down the weak ones. And Sentry would tear New Doomsday in half.

Juggernaut could probably beat those two too.



Though New Krypton Doomsday would win fairly handy imo.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I stand by that. If you disagree, fine, I can't honestly say that I care about your believes. No offense. No like you have to substantiate this belief.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
No like you have to substantiate this belief.

I read the comics, that's good enough for me to know that DoS DD is stronger.

Name 1 feat from that run that backs that up.

The windows breaking? That's always a good one

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Name 1 feat from that run that backs that up.

The windows breaking? That's always a good one

Killing Superman with physical force only.

Which is solely based on your high opinion of Superman. Not enough

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Not enough
Which is solely based on your low opinion of Superman.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Which is solely based on your high opinion of Superman. Not enough

Superman was an abstract. Doomsday, when he killed him, was beyond that.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Which is solely based on your low opinion of Superman. Don't get all emotional.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman was an abstract. Doomsday, when he killed him, was beyond that. Superman is the embodiment of heroism in DC and that extends to Marvel in the form of Kallark, so when Hulk beat the piss out of Gladiator it was like he beat Superman also.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Don't get all emotional.

Never. But thanks for your concern.

Bran is right for once Zom Strange likely phucks up the weaker Doomsdays

Only DD failing is DOS. The others succeed.

Well, some might not clear it, but in all fairness neither did the Hulk.

If Doomsday just needs to push Juggernaut into the lake of the school, then obviously he clears it.

Same with Zom. He'd probably beat these guys, but if he's going to stop and look at the "little people" then Doomsday wins that one as well...

Originally posted by iceman24567
Bran is right for once Zom Strange likely phucks up the weaker Doomsdays "For once"
No you.

But yeah, there's no denying a guy that puts holes through Hulk hits like crazy hard. His chin is the only thing that's going to get him into trouble here. I've no doubt he could beat HP Doomsday but then again I've no doubts HP Doomsday could beat him.

He'd have to be super focused to beat him though. Doomsday just has to land some hits or catch him off guard.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, some might not clear it, but in all fairness neither did the Hulk.

If Doomsday just needs to push Juggernaut into the lake of the school, then obviously he clears it.

Same with Zom. He'd probably beat these guys, but if he's going to stop and look at the "little people" then Doomsday wins that one as well... With Juggernaut though, Doomsday would have followed him into that lake or never would have sidestepped him in the first place.

Unless DD just punches someone incredibly far here by accident I think it's safe to say bfr is off. Though that goes for his opponents too since they were too dumb to bfr him and the same would apply.

I don't see how any Doomsday gets past the X-Men and their telepaths. Manchester Black mindphucked H/P Doomsday.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman was an abstract. Doomsday, when he killed him, was beyond that.

I knew one day, you would see the light!

Neither Prof or h1 will accept any battlezone on what they say about the hulk. Like I've said, it's obvious what they are doing.

Anyways, I agree with bran.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Well, some might not clear it, but in all fairness neither did the Hulk.

If Doomsday just needs to push Juggernaut into the lake of the school, then obviously he clears it.

Same with Zom. He'd probably beat these guys, but if he's going to stop and look at the "little people" then Doomsday wins that one as well...

This. Hulk didn't beat Zom or Marko straight up. Everyone else was weaksauce

Hulk pushed Zom strange's shit in with just three punches though. And Doomsday is far more durable than hulk in that scenario with quite a healing factor of his own. Plus he doesn't has any internal organs, so even if strange damages him, he will just heal.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
This. Hulk didn't beat Zom or Marko straight up. Everyone else was weaksauce He could have eaten their food if he wanted to but then the planet would be forfeit. He only truly flexed his muscles when the right conditions were met in another dimension (lol) backed up by his own dialogue. All performances prior to that were mired by heavily holding back.

Zom and Juggs would get their shit pushed back

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's a good chance Zom Strange beats them all to death as long as he doesn't hesitate and get glassed.
Though he's the only thing off the top of my head with enough power output to put the two middle DDs down. Sentry might be able to KO DD Wars DD though with a big attack.

Adamantium bomb might put down the weak ones. And Sentry would tear New Doomsday in half.

Juggernaut could probably beat those two too.



Though New Krypton Doomsday would win fairly handy imo.
Huh? Sentry is doing neither thing you said, DD wars doomsday moved through everything League threw at him like they weren't even there. Sentry isn't koing him with energy blasts. And neither he showed anything on that level of strength to tear a Herald in half.

Doomsday would punch Marko to sleep, don't be silly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk pushed Zom strange's shit in with just three punches though. And Doomsday is far more durable than hulk in that scenario with quite a healing factor of his own. Plus he doesn't has any internal organs, so even if strange damages him, he will just heal. Doomsday has never replicated any sort of healing feat mid fight that would allow us to believe he would still be awake if that type of damage happened.

But yeah Strange was a glass canon. Took 7 shots but meh. Mind you he tanked a big haymaker in a rematch but he's still chinny.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? Sentry is doing neither thing you said, DD wars doomsday moved through everything League threw at him like they weren't even there. Sentry isn't koing him with energy blasts. And neither he showed anything on that level of strength to tear a Herald in half.

Doomsday would punch Marko to sleep, don't be silly. I don't know why I was thinking of Gog Wars Doomsday. Probably because I read Wars and saw HP there so my mind just filled in the gap. But yeah, was thinking of "I get KO'ed by the backlash of Superman getting killed". Not Doomsday Wars. Doomsday Wars is kind of redundant since he's just HP but should be stronger. That's why.

NuDD wasn't anything special in terms of durability. Strong yes, but his durability is probably going to get him torn up good from tornados and then Captain Rip will enter the fray.

HP and DD Wars Doomsday could probably. Not NuDD and DOS though. He might not even be too damaged by either as well.

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Sentry's best hidden power is detecting the rippability of objects. He's very much like Carver that way. Doesn't hurt that both are loopy too.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Doomsday has never replicated any sort of healing feat mid fight that would allow us to believe he would still be awake if that type of damage happened. Except healing from the wound when superman cut him with the sword in hunter/prey. And if omegas can't punch a hole through DD, I doubt strange an. It took a Guardian sacrificing himself to ko a pre DOS Doomsday. Nothing Strange has that is on that level. DD wouldn't hesitate to punch him to sleep either.

Ah OK. Superman wasn't killed there though and he was weakened like whoa. It's one of his best durability feats overall.

I disagree. It was explicitly stated that he was superman level in strength and endurance. He took Diana's attacks like they weren't even there. Probably true. Curious, why do you rank new krypton doomsday that high?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sentry's best hidden power is detecting the rippability of objects. He's very much like Carver that way. Doesn't hurt that both are loopy too.
That's void sentry and Ares is no doomsday.

It's not like it took any effort, though

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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Ares durability is in no way comprable to that of Doomsday's.

What's NU Doomsday best durability ft and let's not pretend Diana didn't hurt him because she did.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except healing from the wound when superman cut him with the sword in hunter/prey. And if omegas can't punch a hole through DD, I doubt strange an. It took a Guardian sacrificing himself to ko a pre DOS Doomsday. Nothing Strange has that is on that level. DD wouldn't hesitate to punch him to sleep either.

Ah OK. Superman wasn't killed there though and he was weakened like whoa. It's one of his best durability feats overall.

I disagree. It was explicitly stated that he was superman level in strength and endurance. He took Diana's attacks like they weren't even there. Probably true. Curious, why do you rank new krypton doomsday that high? That wound was nowhere near basketball sized holes through the chest though. It's possible a "normal" comic book character could have still fought with that assuming it didn't go too far past the ribs without healing. Which comparing them for scale it probably wouldn't have.
Hulk probably shouldn't have healed from that either but he did so I can't take that away. Still though healing from huge ass holes blown straight through you >>>>>> healing from a cut that might have went past the ribs on a normal human.

I don't know. Strange blasted a hole through him on his second attack with really no windup. Even if he isn't as powerful Strange was spamming endless attacks from all angles. I highly doubt even DD is going to take that without severe damage. Plus I doubt the OB would just blast through that Hulk like that but that's neither here nor there.
Really besides humanity, the only really Strange lost was because he didn't aim for the head. Even if he doesn't though DD will be in serious trouble. But that's really a tossup due to glass jawitis. Even DOS has the chance to beat that Strange. But my word does he hit like a truck.


It's been a lot of years but I thought he died. Meh. DD getting slept was one of the biggest things I remember.


Superman like punched him twice in that fight. Rammed him in the planet and blasted him with hv. That's 4 attacks if you count the continuous HV. And DD was already pretty visibly damaged after the planet ram. Then he was almost slagged by HV. Then when he came back he got ripped in half. All this while Superman was being hurt by his aura and the punches didn't even factor into damage. Plus WW put him on his knees from a sword and then was all like "poison!"
There is no way he is anywhere near Superman's durability. Strength yes. His durability was not. That tornado of fire is going to heavily damage DD and then he's going to become a Twix.

Because NK Doomsday was actually taking on a real team for once in comics instead of everyone splitting up to attack him one on one. And was doing fairly well. What was it like 12 Kryptonians and the odd Superman/Supergirl attack? And he was constantly getting attacked by many of them at once and still managed to knock a couple around. In a fairly long fight too.
The last DD that tried that got single paged by two Supermans.

Even though he was brought in specifically to lose in one fight he showed a fukton of strength and durability. He's been my highest rated DD ever since by far. I'd give him a good shot to beat HP DD to death in a page.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That wound was nowhere near basketball sized holes through the chest though. It's possible a "normal" comic book character could have still fought with that assuming it didn't go too far past the ribs without healing. Which comparing them for scale it probably wouldn't have.
Hulk probably shouldn't have healed from that either but he did so I can't take that away. Still though healing from huge ass holes blown straight through you >>>>>> healing from a cut that might have went past the ribs on a normal human.

I don't know. Strange blasted a hole through him on his second attack with really no windup. Even if he isn't as powerful Strange was spamming endless attacks from all angles. I highly doubt even DD is going to take that without severe damage. Plus I doubt the OB would just blast through that Hulk like that but that's neither here nor there.
Really besides humanity, the only really Strange lost was because he didn't aim for the head. Even if he doesn't though DD will be in serious trouble. But that's really a tossup due to glass jawitis. Even DOS has the chance to beat that Strange. But my word does he hit like a truck. But that's the thing, doomsday doesn't has any internal organs which can be damaged for a ko. Unless strange can totally destroy his body, he wouldn't be able to put him down. At best he can stun him for some moments like omegas did. And in that arc, omegas evaporated missiles superman couldn't even dent while weakened and burned him while not even hitting him. That's some beastly power. DD got suckershotted, got up and pushed Darkseid's shit in. OK.

Superman was playing at a different level in that comic. Driving a sword through him which can split Atom's is a low durability feat now? Whaddya know? Except the fact that narration explicitly stated that doomsday was superman level strength and durability. And then he was getting even more powerful as explained by Lex. You are using circular logic here. It was actually two dozen kryptonians. Curiously superman straight up caught his punch.

Originally posted by carver9
What's NU Doomsday best durability ft and let's not pretend Diana didn't hurt him because she did.
By a sword. In h2h he broke her hands in one punch after taking her attacks like nothing.

True. She's said afterwards that she underestimated him and had no problem handling him the second time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
But that's the thing, doomsday doesn't has any internal organs which can be damaged for a ko. Unless strange can totally destroy his body, he wouldn't be able to put him down. At best he can stun him for some moments like omegas did. And in that arc, omegas evaporated missiles superman couldn't even dent while weakened and burned him while not even hitting him. That's some beastly power. DD got suckershotted, got up and pushed Darkseid's shit in. OK.

Superman was playing at a different level in that comic. Driving a sword through him which can split Atom's is a low durability feat now? Whaddya know? Except the fact that narration explicitly stated that doomsday was superman level strength and durability. And then he was getting even more powerful as explained by Lex. You are using circular logic here. It was actually two dozen kryptonians. Curiously superman straight up caught his punch. Except when Doomsday straight up gets beaten to death before and after that fight. Just because he doesn't have organs doesn't mean he doesn't need a body to not get knocked out incapacitated or killed. I'd kind of need proof that Doomsday can just fight with massive holes in his body when he's shown pain from having his limbs snapped off or damage. You can't just claim something like that. Evidence.
Hell the guy got killed by Radiant just blasting energy spikes through him when only one hit his head. When his body was seemingly all together.

And Superman used hv on rockets built to withstand reentry. I think he punched it once too while getting moved backwards. That's not everything he can do, hell that's not even the bright thing to do. And Superman became just as powerful or more powerful than Darkseid as we saw. You get Darkseid out doing even OWAW Superman to that degree and you got a real showing. I feel pretty safe in saying WWH would be percieved that far above that Superman too.
Also DD got suckershotted and then got up and pretty much suckershotted Darkseid. As we saw Strange was pretty relentless with his attacks. Even if he wasn't equal to one OE, he was landing many many attacks on a turtling Hulk. The only reason it stopped was because of humans. The equivalent would have been Darkseid spamming them at DD when he was down and not just one more to melt rubble.

A different level sure. Do you personally believe he would have damaged himself that bad from a planet ram and almost melted himself with HV? That he could then tear himself in half? And that's just an average Superman.
This "Superman" in Doomsday appeared even stronger than Superman or at the very least his equal. So it would flow into:
Do you think Superman operating at a different level could almost kill Superman operating at a different level with HV, damage himself with a planet ram, and tear himself in half?

And I'm not saying it's a low showing. You said he shrugged off all her attacks.

Also where did it say he was as durable as Superman, not that it matters since anyone who's as strong as Superman is immediately discounted... coughmartianmanhunter
If it says endurance I swear to God I shouldn't have to say that doesn't mean durability.

Superman got floored when he tried to catch his punch. And then Doomsday ran over to attack him.
Still, no shame there. Even if he caught that punch it would just be impressive on Superman's part. DD was still comfortably above any one or three of them together. 2 dozen is pretty crazy though.

Anyway, New Krypton DD would comfortably lay a beating on Zom Strange no matter what happened.

But he's probably the biggest hump for any of these guys as he can possibly win all the fights (and lose as well). NuDC might even have the best chance due to poison. But I doubt he'd want to get in range.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Except when Doomsday straight up gets beaten to death before and after that fight. Just because he doesn't have organs doesn't mean he doesn't need a body to not get knocked out incapacitated or killed. I'd kind of need proof that Doomsday can just fight with massive holes in his body when he's shown pain from having his limbs snapped off or damage. You can't just claim something like that. Evidence.
Hell the guy got killed by Radiant just blasting energy spikes through him when only one hit his head. When his body was seemingly all together. That was evidently just for HP. Every other doomsday after Imperiex killed him is just a clone. So you can't take him getting beaten after OWAW as a proof of how he would fare against strange here.
Come on bran, we both know Jurgens writes his characters low in those kind and furious feats. That's not an indication of how powerful the attacks from Superman were. That doesn't mean that Superman was weak. Heck, some of his best combat feats come from that Era. I don't think so. Jurgen said his superman would beat hulk in seconds and would beat silver surfer 99 times out of 100. He has a very high opinion of superman.

A different level sure. Do you personally believe he would have damaged himself that bad from a planet ram and almost melted himself with HV? Considering he brought Hel to his knees in that two punches, nearly made wraith black out with ramming him to moon, I say he can hurt himself to that level. What are you trying to prove here bran? Once again you are using circular logic. We know Doomsday even while weaker was quite above both Diana and mongul. It wouldn't make any sense for him to be lower in durability just because Superman tore him in half. By your logic both mongul and Diana should have beaten him. Sword attacks are now strength showings?
When J'onn can break Diana's arms with one punch or break phantom zone in half with a punch, call me. Superman level strength, superman level endurance but way lower durability? Ha.
I know right.


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Third panel has all the Kryptonians, at least two dozen by my estimate.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's a good chance Zom Strange beats them all to death as long as he doesn't hesitate and get glassed.
Though he's the only thing off the top of my head with enough power output to put the two middle DDs down. Sentry might be able to KO DD Wars DD though with a big attack.

Adamantium bomb might put down the weak ones. And Sentry would tear New Doomsday in half.

Juggernaut could probably beat those two too.



Though New Krypton Doomsday would win fairly handy imo. I didn't think of Strange. It was plot device that he lost to WWH. Sentry would tear DCNU DD in half but not the one portrayed in WWH. My argument is speed and claws. Those things add a dimension Hulk never had. Juggs would definitely pose a problem though.

Does Reed only get the weapons he used in WWH?

He gets the sentry flashlight lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He gets the sentry flashlight lol.

Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?
This.

I dont think Herc or Darwin or whatever would've made that big a difference, but Juggernaut walks into the lake and then that's it? lmfao

Originally posted by krisblaze
This.

I dont think Herc or Darwin or whatever would've made that big a difference, but Juggernaut walks into the lake and then that's it? lmfao

Agreed on Herc, but with Darwin, he actually possesses the power of plot. Had their roles been reversed - and Darwin was being written up as a rogue X-man stomping 'Marvel Earth' - it would have been so easy for Pak to wank him.

He needs to do X? Boom, he develops X. He needs to do Y? Bam, he can now do Y.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded? this post is spot on.

The cis/pis in Hulks favour was terrible

Worst thing is, they didn't have to do it to get the Hulk to win. Pak was just a lazy/terrible writer for that event. I have ZERO problem with the Hulk winning each and every fight he gts in (its his event, after all), but it could have been written so much better, and differently.

So rather than, say, what we saw in Indestructible Hulk (where they attempt to punt Hulk to the N-Zone, and he resists it), they have.....Reed constructing a Sentry Fleshlight to soothe the beast.

Why not attempt to punt him to the N-Zone, and he resisting it? No.

The whole Hulk doesn't kill BS excuse pissed me off too, yet he was willing to let Reed kill Tony when they fought Gladiator style. In fact Hulk gave the yes decision to have stark killed iirc

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Agreed on Herc, but with Darwin, he actually possesses the power of plot. Had their roles been reversed - and Darwin was being written up as a rogue X-man stomping 'Marvel Earth' - it would have been so easy for Pak to wank him.

He needs to do X? Boom, he develops X. He needs to do Y? Bam, he can now do Y.


Darwin almost died from a single hit from the Hulk. He wouldn't have made a difference a d lol at your interpretation of everything, especially Professor X.

Originally posted by carver9
Darwin almost died from a single hit from the Hulk. He wouldn't have made a difference a d lol at your interpretation of everything, especially Professor X.

Emma was able to stop him. Considering later on, with a SINGLE word, he put Phoenix Five members to sleep....do you think Emma Frost would be able to stop a determined Prof X?

1. Instead of doing something like the Zeno Room (where, no matter how much you travel, you will never reach your destination), Reed builds the Sentry Fleshlight. Is it my interpretation, or did that really happen? Plot device.

2. I have you admitting that Ton'y nanites would have worked. They were stolen from him. Plot device.

3. GR apparently only 'avenges the innocent'. But the Illuminati WERE innocent of the bomb that destroyed Sakaar and killed his family. It was Miek who did so. So GR riding away was plot device.

4. Zom was blowing massive holes in him, until the civilians were there. Plot device or not? Why didn't they just have Hulk overpowering him? Clue: because Hulk couldn't.

5. Xavier, I have talked about.

6. Darwin: here's another power he could have tried - Pixie's powers. Oh wait, wasn't Pixie there already (hint: she was). Pixie attempted to send Kuurth to the centre of the Sun; why didn't she do the same to WWH?

7. Juggernaut apparently is unstoppable. Even to himself. Which explains why we've never seen him stop running, ever.

8. I just like seeing the words 'pounding Herc'.

I was going to respond abhi and then I realized I didn't care anymore. Besides the DD not needing a body it's all arguing opinions on power levels.

All I'll say is be careful using writer statements with these two characters especially with Pak saying Hulk is still stronger than Superman.

And character statements aren't much without feats to back it up. As a Superman fan you would be well versed to veer away from this considering everyone in DC is Superman level at one point in time.

Also I really want more fights like New Krypton Doomsday fights in comics. Maybe not to death. but a bunch of relentless characters acting as a team fighting one being.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
The whole Hulk doesn't kill BS excuse pissed me off too, yet he was willing to let Reed kill Tony when they fought Gladiator style. In fact Hulk gave the yes decision to have stark killed iirc ... Hulk still wouldn't have a kill to his name, but you still missed the point of why he wanted them to fight each other facepalm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Emma was able to stop him. Considering later on, with a SINGLE word, he put Phoenix Five members to sleep....do you think Emma Frost would be able to stop a determined Prof X?

1. Instead of doing something like the Zeno Room (where, no matter how much you travel, you will never reach your destination), Reed builds the Sentry Fleshlight. Is it my interpretation, or did that really happen? Plot device.

2. I have you admitting that Ton'y nanites would have worked. They were stolen from him. Plot device.

3. GR apparently only 'avenges the innocent'. But the Illuminati WERE innocent of the bomb that destroyed Sakaar and killed his family. It was Miek who did so. So GR riding away was plot device.

4. Zom was blowing massive holes in him, until the civilians were there. Plot device or not? Why didn't they just have Hulk overpowering him? Clue: because Hulk couldn't.

5. Xavier, I have talked about.

6. Darwin: here's another power he could have tried - Pixie's powers. Oh wait, wasn't Pixie there already (hint: she was). Pixie attempted to send Kuurth to the centre of the Sun; why didn't she do the same to WWH?

7. Juggernaut apparently is unstoppable. Even to himself. Which explains why we've never seen him stop running, ever.

8. I just like seeing the words 'pounding Herc'. A lot of this is borderline nonsense

Originally posted by psycho gundam
... Hulk still wouldn't have a kill to his name, but you still missed the point of why he wanted them to fight each other facepalm He still would have killed them, indirectly...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
... Hulk still wouldn't have a kill to his name, but you still missed the point of why he wanted them to fight each other facepalm another Hulk fanboy excuse.

He ordered him to die, the no killing is just a BS excuse as he would of killed Meik if the Warbound hadnt of stopped him

Stop typing

No comeback? It's easy proving you wrong everytime

I've openly challenged you to several battlezones but your lone testicle coincidentally always withdraws every time.

Also, chronologically those events happened after the Ghost rider encounter so they wouldn't somehow be factored into his judgement.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
He still would have killed them, indirectly... Just saw this.

Ok, so you agree?

Yadda yadda yadda.

If you can't accept or understand what's printed in the comic. explained by pretty pictures and the big words used, that's not my fault.

On panel proof, beats your butthurt kiddo

Originally posted by psycho gundam
A lot of this is borderline nonsense
Feel free to point it out

Originally posted by Mindset
Does Reed only get the weapons he used in WWH?

Every scenario, every battle, is exactly the same, except Doomsday takes the Hulk's place.

Reed's arsenal remains the same.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?

Read above!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does WWDoomsday get other plot device wins too?

So the all-powerful nanites in Tony's suit also get sabotaged?

Ghost Rider: Unleashed also feels that Doomsday is innocent?

Zom Strange gets distracted by civilians?

Xavier gets devolved to Emma Frost level?

Darwin develops teleportation?

Juggernaut gets punted into a nearby lake...and we never see him again?

Hercules allows himself to be pounded?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Every scenario, every battle, is exactly the same, except Doomsday takes the Hulk's place.

Reed's arsenal remains the same.



Read above!

None of that would have actually happened the same way, because DD, and the Hulk have two different mind sets. This isn't something that should even need explaining. DD wouldn't have tried moving aside, and swatting Cain into the lake bed, he would have went at it with him.

The Hulk did not want to engage Cain, he ws there for Charles.

Srange/Zom only became distracted by the civilians because the Hulk's attempts to save them.

Nothing would have played out remotely the same in any of those confrontations, because DD is a mindless beast filled with rage.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Every scenario, every battle, is exactly the same, except Doomsday takes the Hulk's place.

Reed's arsenal remains the same.



Read above! Reed's arsenal was specifically made to battle Hulk.

^

Similarly, is Dr. Strange supposed to attempt to find the man within the monster, drop his guard to his longtime friend on the astral plane and then have his magic abilities crippled?

DD is not Strange's long-time friend/ally, therefore he will be gestured away with "the merest twitch of a finger":
http://i.imgur.com/BvvW4Whh.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
Reed's arsenal was specifically made to battle Hulk.

Reed would then get the time to prepare on the fly as he does with other threats.

Originally posted by ODG
^

Similarly, is Dr. Strange supposed to attempt to find the man within the monster, drop his guard to his longtime friend on the astral plane and then have his magic abilities crippled?

Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Galan007
DD is not Strange's long-time friend/ally, therefore he will be gestured away with "the merest twitch of a finger":
http://i.imgur.com/BvvW4Whh.jpg



Dr. Strange approaches Doomsday the same way he did Banner. The PIS involved in that scenario is only slightly less than many of the other instances in the WORLD WAR HULK arc.

Doomsday can not revert to human form like Banner did (which is the reason Strange stopped attacking. Since DD will still try to take Strange out, he will still lose the fight.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.


It had less to do with plot, and more to do with character. Strange wouldn't give a crap about Doomsday, and Zom had taken over a large portion of his brains rationale. If confronted by a mindless beast, he would have never come to his senses. That is where he stops dead in his tracks, and it could be argued that Cain would have stopped him dead as well.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's a good chance Zom Strange beats them all to death as long as he doesn't hesitate and get glassed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman was an abstract. Doomsday, when he killed him, was beyond that.

Agreed,

Doomsday cannot be stopped.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Feel free to point it out Two of those issues are dependent on the time in which they occurred: Xavier putting the Phoenix 5 down happened years later and Darwin's Hela thing, then you have things tied to Banner's relationships to certain characters and then the context of the fights like Hulk leaving the School grounds and Juggernaut after figuring out Xavier was clean. Nanites all that are story elements that are integral to the events.

If you put Doomsday into the story you remove all the relationship elements that Hulk and the others have with each other obviously so it's essentially death of Superman's plot all over again where Doomsday bumrushed the league of the time that had no idea who or what he even was or why he was

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.

Dr. Strange approaches Doomsday the same way he did Banner. The PIS involved in that scenario is only slightly less than many of the other instances in the WORLD WAR HULK arc. Dr. Strange's mentality was outright refusing to banish his friend a second time and trying to make peace with his long-time friend. Those feelings and inhibitions could not, in any way, transfer over to Doomsday.

It's not PIS. It's story. PIS is SPvFL. Or BPvSS.

Since Dr. Strange doesn't give two craps about Doomsday, he'd just instantly BFR him. He's BFR'ed Hulk twice already reluctantly. He'd have no qualms BFRing Doomsday to some sh1tty place.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Reed would then get the time to prepare on the fly as he does with other threats.



Dr. Strange's mentality during the fight remains the same. Whatever plot device brings that about is irrelevant.



Dr. Strange approaches Doomsday the same way he did Banner. The PIS involved in that scenario is only slightly less than many of the other instances in the WORLD WAR HULK arc. They are not the same character therefore they do not share the same relationship. Quit being ridiculous. Strange bfrs him, easily. Just because he took out Superman Doesnt mean he holds a candle in the marvel universe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They are not the same character therefore they do not share the same relationship. Quit being ridiculous. Strange bfrs him, easily. Just because he took out Superman Doesnt mean he holds a candle in the marvel universe.

Your limited intellect shows up once again.

There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.

As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.

No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality.

It's comics. Not like every character fight with every ability they've shown during fights...doesn't work like that unless you know of fights between heralds where this has been shown. It's not characters forgetting their abilities, it's called comics.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your limited intellect shows up once again.

There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.

As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.

No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality.

Do you think that there was also a fair share of PIS/CIS, and whatever else you want to throw at the WW Hulk arc that also happened during OWAW? Should we begin counting?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. Nobody ever backs this up beyond talking about Dr.Strange. You're more likely to find instances of characters going past their own limits be them restraints against opponents or usage of power/tech against Hulk than any lower showings that keep being talked about but never remarked on.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Nobody ever backs this up beyond talking about Dr.Strange. You're more likely to find instances of characters going past their own limits be them restraints against opponents or usage of power/tech against Hulk than any lower showings that keep being talked about but never remarked on.

Seriously?

The floor is yours

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The floor is yours

What exactly are you saying? Are u suggesting zom was the only instance?

The only real instance of stupidity is not bfr'ing him again. But that was lazily explained that he'd just come back. And Juggernaut continuing to run into a lake. Also Sentry getting punched but that seemed more like Sentry trying to get amped up or justify the release of his Golden Guardian of Good powers.
Zom getting distracted was showing Dr Strange was still in there, and the nanobots were plot device, not stupidity on the part of Tony.

Beyond that, Zom got used with Strange, Sentry's calming aura, turning him into Grey Hulk, breaking his neck, adamantium bombs, the Wolverine, the Thingerine, unbeatable on the forums at the time Darwin tried to drain him, Elixir turned off his healing factor, the Juggernaut, telepathy, Black Bolt's voice (though Skrull), new Hulkbuster, and mega form Sentry uber form was used.

Pretty much everything and more that has stopped him in the past, or at the very least halted him.

If you want to argue that Hulk was seriously wanked then sure, because he sure the **** was. But acting like stupidity was a heavy component doesn't work when they pretty much tried everything.

Though it stands to reason that Reed should have been able to simply **** him up but not every Reed under writers acts like that. In retrospect Reed is really the only one from that story that could easily beat Hulk outside a combination of just gang beating Hulk.

U failed to mention all the tps present at the x mansion

That doesn't fall under telepathy?

And they all had big panic fits when they entered Hulk's mind.

I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick. Pak is garbage.

Even if Strange could, he's not beating Hulk with a handicap. Or with a massive powerup apparently either

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That doesn't fall under telepathy?

And they all had big panic fits when they entered Hulk's mind.

Which makes no sense. Emma, charles and the cuckoos plus cerebro? They could have made do literally anything

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which makes no sense. Emma, charles and the cuckoos plus cerebro? They could have made do literally anything And Hulk could have just destroyed the mansion before they knew he was there. Or took his Warbound there. Or crashed his ship into the mansion. Or did any sort of offensive attack aimed at Xavier.

Welcome to comics.

Meh. Im over the storyline

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm no Strange expert, but I do know he's never had a problem doing magic without using his hands, which is how Hulk stopped him... Had every bone in his body broken at one point, and still managed his sorcerer supreme schtick. You could argue he could have used his astral form. But at that time Strange felt he needed his hands to properly fend off Hiroim. Hiroim being as formidable as he was as a Shadow Priest with the Oldpower, who's to say Dr. Strange wasn't right?

Unfortunately, taking in Zom like he did just ruined him and his hands to the point of uselessness as he revealed later on in New Avengers Annual #2. Which mirrors his origin, i.e., crippling the hands that allowed him to perform miracles of surgery in a careless act of hubris.

Originally posted by Stoic
Do you think that there was also a fair share of PIS/CIS, and whatever else you want to throw at the WW Hulk arc that also happened during OWAW? Should we begin counting?

Let the counting begin!

What PIS/CIS in OWAW was comprable to World War Hulk?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Let the counting begin!

What PIS/CIS in OWAW was comprable to World War Hulk? You've barely established anything in World War Hulk beyond characters acting in-character.

Nice to see everyone getting along so well...

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your limited intellect shows up once again.

There were several instances in WORLD WAR HULK where characters inexplicably forgot abilities, fought in a bizarre fashion, or quite simply underperformed. These events made the narrative possible, the same way it worked through Banner's relationship with his adversaries, the writer(s) would find some other means to apply it to Doomsday.

As for your Doomsday "Taking out Superman" comment.

No one that took on Banner beats an all out Superman with the same mentality. False. Strange did not forget an ability he forgoed using it due to his personal relationship with Banner. That same time does not exist with Doomsday.

Sentry, G. Rider, and Zom/Strange do so. All out Superman is not that impressive when we are discussing the Hulk, Sentry, and Strange tbh.

Originally posted by ODG
Unfortunately, taking in Zom like he did just ruined him and his hands to the point of uselessness as he revealed later on in New Avengers Annual #2. Which mirrors his origin, i.e., crippling the hands that allowed him to perform miracles of surgery in a careless act of hubris. Looks like Strange took it personally and wanted to beat Hulk at his own game after getting his hands broken.

He invoked Zom twice and the things he was saying were antagonistic as well as belittling both times during their encounters.

It's character motivated

Guys, OP says they happen the same way they did in the comics. Strange, in that case, would fight Superman the way he did Hulk.

Silly? Sure, but it's the spirit of the thread, so please stick by it.

Originally posted by ODG
You've barely established anything in World War Hulk beyond characters acting in-character.

Stoic is the one who suggested both storylines have comprable coccurences of PIS/CIS.

Either you can take up the challenge presented to him or allow Stoic to answe for himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. Strange did not forget an ability he forgoed using it due to his personal relationship with Banner. That same time does not exist with Doomsday.

Sentry, G. Rider, and Zom/Strange do so. All out Superman is not that impressive when we are discussing the Hulk, Sentry, and Strange tbh.



They are different kind of beasts.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, OP says they happen the same way they did in the comics. Strange, in that case, would fight Superman the way he did Hulk.

Silly? Sure, but it's the spirit of the thread, so please stick by it.

OP is OP.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Stoic is the one who suggested both storylines have comprable coccurences of PIS/CIS.

Either you can take up the challenge presented to him or allow Stoic to answe for himself. Stoic challenged you, not the other way around. Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, OP says they happen the same way they did in the comics. Strange, in that case, would fight Superman the way he did Hulk.

Silly? Sure, but it's the spirit of the thread, so please stick by it. Superman isn't even in this thread.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Let the counting begin!

What PIS/CIS in OWAW was comprable to World War Hulk?

For one, Imperiex could have obliterated everything, and everyone from the door, instead of sending out probes and allowing the heroes to form any sort of resistance. Just look at how easily he dealt with Doomsday. So yeah, before slinging the PIS/CIS brick, maybe you ought to remember that it's in all comics.

The Hulk alone had the strength to physically deny Sakaar, a planet described as being larger than the Earth from exploding like Krypton did. He could have killed everyone on Earth before they got the chance to say WAIT. This is according to the levels that he was at just before leaving Sakaar, and his ability to consciously control his power. It wasn't hard to see how much he'd been actually written down to suit the characters that he was going to place on trial. The others that physically confronted him shouldn't have even been a challenge.

So, if you even bothered to pay attention to the writing, you would have read the part about how he held back the entire time, and how he was actually trained to control his power. Every physical confrontation that he had upon returning to Earth was actually PIS to his credit.

Originally posted by Stoic
So, if you even bothered to pay attention to the writing, you would have read the part about how he held back the entire time, and how he was actually trained to control his power. Every physical confrontation that he had upon returning to Earth was actually PIS to his credit.

Did The Hulk hold back against The Sentry during their fight?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Did The Hulk hold back against The Sentry during their fight?

According to the writer. Yes he did. It's actually canon to the story. It's written after the story just before he travels to the Dark Dimension, but it's still canon. Just like when Superman holds back. We all know that a physical battle between him (Superman) and just about any DC hero is him holding back. So if Superman says that he was holding back, and we can take it at face value, why isn't the same done in regards of the Hulk?

It literally took him less than 3 panels to go from not being able to stop Sakaar from exploding to being able to overpower the forces that were going to make it explode. This is just the first piece of evidence that he was actually holding back. Then he literally comes out and says that he was. Another piece of evidence happens at the very end of the WW Hulk arc, when with a footfall he nearly sinks the entire Eastern Seaboard. And he was trying to stop himself.

PIS happens in comics. Bran brought up a huge point. People say that Xavier could have done this and that. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire state that the X-Men lived in before ever arriving at the mansion. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire planet before he ever made the broadcast from the moon. Superman could have broken Wonder Woman's neck several times. batman should have never drew blood from Superman, because he can take a nuke to the face without taking as much damage. Superman should have kill J'onn several times before ever getting within range of him, by frying him with HV back in the day. You want to talk about PIS?

I mentioned this a couple pages back. It's not so much PIS, but more character that plays part in many of these things. The Hulk, like Superman is not a murderer, he's a hero. Doomsday is a murderer. Strange would see this and kill him. There would be slight differences in the outcome of several events if the book was calle World War Doomsday. Doomsday would have either been shut down by Xavier, or he would have killed all of the mutants present except for those able to escape. He wouldn't have killed the Juggernaut though. This event would have been broadcasted to other heroes including Doctor Strange. Do you think that any of the heroes on Earth would hold back against, or try to reason with a monster that would punch a child through a sidewalk? No, of course not.

DD would have been stopped. Strange wouldn't have come to his senses when he allowed Zom to enter his body. Why? because Doomsday wouldn't have snapped him out of it by trying to save those civilians like the Hulk did.

There are three guys that can be argued to have been able to stop him without a doubt. Cain, Dr. Strange/Zom, and the Sentry. My money is on Strange/Zom.

Originally posted by Stoic
batman should have never drew blood from Superman, because he can take a nuke to the face without taking as much damage. Watch yourself Stoic. Batman >>> a nuke! sneer

Originally posted by ODG
Stoic challenged you, not the other way around. Superman isn't even in this thread.

that's what I get for skimming over the OP.

The point still stands, though.

So we all agree DD loses.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that's what I get for skimming over the OP.

The point still stands, though.

You can't ignore character though, because DD is not the Hulk. The Hulk actually prepared for a campaign. DD couldn't prepare a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Some of the outcomes would have been horrendous to the point that no hero would stop before killing, or being killed by DD. Like I said, Strange wouldn't have snapped out of his possession, the civilians would have been killed, and it would have caused Strange to become even more dangerous than he already was. You really have to go back to the confrontation that he had with the Hulk to see what I mean. If the OP says that all of the outcomes would be the same, what are we debating? Is it saying that DD thinks exactly like the Hulk, when we know that he doesn't? Should we believe that the heroes would try to reason with him after he brutally kills the X-Men? Although your point still stands, you can't expect people to ignore character.

Originally posted by Badabing
Watch yourself Stoic. Batman >>> a nuke! sneer

Yo didn't you watch those commercial warnings about taking other peoples meds brother?

Originally posted by Stoic
You can't ignore character though, because DD is not the Hulk. The Hulk actually prepared for a campaign. DD couldn't prepare a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Some of the outcomes would have been horrendous to the point that no hero would stop before killing, or being killed by DD. Like I said, Strange wouldn't have snapped out of his possession, the civilians would have been killed, and it would have caused Strange to become even more dangerous than he already was. You really have to go back to the confrontation that he had with the Hulk to see what I mean. If the OP says that all of the outcomes would be the same, what are we debating? Is it saying that DD thinks exactly like the Hulk, when we know that he doesn't? Should we believe that the heroes would try to reason with him after he brutally kills the X-Men? Although your point still stands, you can't expect people to ignore character.



Yo didn't you watch those commercial warnings about taking other peoples meds brother?

I'm not ignoring character, the OP is.

People are, by the nature of the thread, to treat DD as they would have treated Hulk.

If that means DD wins, fine. If it means he loses, that's fine too.

Bleh, still weird typing DD and meaning Doomsday, not Matt.

You have to admit Pr...there will be some instances that will not play out the same as it did with WWH. The Satellite thing wouldn't have happened either because Doomsday energy wouldn't have crushed the city and his foot step wouldn't have been earth threatening either. Is that there any proof that Doomsday could survive a spike going straight through his head? They created a vaccine that hindered Hulks power and Hulk overcame it via rage. Does Doomsday get this same benefit...is there proof that he can overcome something that is built to fight against his powers? The military scene; can Doomsday survive adamantium bullets going through every part of his body? Can he survive holes being punched through his body? Would he have toyed with Ghost Rider or would he have went all out? Would Ghost Rider judge Doomsday as an innocent and ride off?

The list goes on and on but the battles will obviously not go the same way.

Just agree that LoB is a nincompoop.

Originally posted by carver9
You have to admit Pr...there will be some instances that will not play out the same as it did with WWH. The Satellite thing wouldn't have happened either because Doomsday energy wouldn't have crushed the city and his foot step wouldn't have been earth threatening either. Is that there any proof that Doomsday could survive a spike going straight through his head? They created a vaccine that hindered Hulks power and Hulk overcame it via rage. Does Doomsday get this same benefit...is there proof that he can overcome something that is built to fight against his powers? The military scene; can Doomsday survive adamantium bullets going through every part of his body? Can he survive holes being punched through his body? Would he have toyed with Ghost Rider or would he have went all out? Would Ghost Rider judge Doomsday as an innocent and ride off?

The list goes on and on but the battles will obviously not go the same way.

I never said they would play out the same. Just that the people fighting Doomsday would treat him as if he were the Hulk (within reason).

Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said they would play out the same. Just that the people fighting Doomsday would treat him as if he were the Hulk (within reason). you will never get some posters to understand that a DC chsracter will do as well/better than Hulk/Marvel character

And you will just never understand

Originally posted by Stoic
According to the writer. Yes he did. It's actually canon to the story. It's written after the story just before he travels to the Dark Dimension, but it's still canon. Just like when Superman holds back. We all know that a physical battle between him (Superman) and just about any DC hero is him holding back. So if Superman says that he was holding back, and we can take it at face value, why isn't the same done in regards of the Hulk?

It literally took him less than 3 panels to go from not being able to stop Sakaar from exploding to being able to overpower the forces that were going to make it explode. This is just the first piece of evidence that he was actually holding back. Then he literally comes out and says that he was. Another piece of evidence happens at the very end of the WW Hulk arc, when with a footfall he nearly sinks the entire Eastern Seaboard. And he was trying to stop himself.

PIS happens in comics. Bran brought up a huge point. People say that Xavier could have done this and that. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire state that the X-Men lived in before ever arriving at the mansion. The Hulk could have destroyed the entire planet before he ever made the broadcast from the moon. Superman could have broken Wonder Woman's neck several times. batman should have never drew blood from Superman, because he can take a nuke to the face without taking as much damage. Superman should have kill J'onn several times before ever getting within range of him, by frying him with HV back in the day. You want to talk about PIS?

I mentioned this a couple pages back. It's not so much PIS, but more character that plays part in many of these things. The Hulk, like Superman is not a murderer, he's a hero. Doomsday is a murderer. Strange would see this and kill him. There would be slight differences in the outcome of several events if the book was calle World War Doomsday. Doomsday would have either been shut down by Xavier, or he would have killed all of the mutants present except for those able to escape. He wouldn't have killed the Juggernaut though. This event would have been broadcasted to other heroes including Doctor Strange. Do you think that any of the heroes on Earth would hold back against, or try to reason with a monster that would punch a child through a sidewalk? No, of course not.

Was Sentry holding back during WORLD WAR HULK?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just agree that LoB is a nincompoop.

You're DANGEROUSLY close to my Purge list!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
And you will just never understand get over your obsession with me and crying about every Hulk related subject like you always do.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Was Sentry holding back during WORLD WAR HULK? http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/th_HulkvsSentry14.jpg

crackers

Originally posted by ODG
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/th_HulkvsSentry14.jpg

crackers

Since you've decided to jump in the line of fire, you can deal with the following.

Stoic asserted that despite the on panel evidence in the fight between The Hulk and Sentry in WORLD WAR HULK, Banner wasn't going all out. The premise for this stance is that subsequent events indicated that he was capable of much more.

Using the standard created by, Stoic, I now ask YOU the following.

Do the depictions of The Sentry after the fight you posted indicate that Robert was really not holding back?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Since you've decided to jump in the line of fire, you can deal with the following.

Stoic asserted that despite the on panel evidence in the fight between The Hulk and Sentry in WORLD WAR HULK, Banner wasn't going all out. The premise for this stance is that subsequent events indicated that he was capable of much more.

Using the standard created by, Stoic, I now ask YOU the following.

Do the depictions of The Sentry after the fight you posted indicate that Robert was really not holding back?

Hulk said he was holding back so yes, Stoic is correct.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Since you've decided to jump in the line of fire, you can deal with the following.

Stoic asserted that despite the on panel evidence in the fight between The Hulk and Sentry in WORLD WAR HULK, Banner wasn't going all out. The premise for this stance is that subsequent events indicated that he was capable of much more.

Using the standard created by, Stoic, I now ask YOU the following.

Do the depictions of The Sentry after the fight you posted indicate that Robert was really not holding back? What an obtuse question as 1) the answer is plainly obvious, and 2) you witlessly ignored the actual storyline.

1) That was the most power Sentry could bring to bear at the time without Voiding out. That was not the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time.

2) That it wasn't the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time was proven not even a few pages later. You didn't need the Heart of the Monster storyline years later to prove that. You just had to turn a few phucking pages in the actual World War Hulk #5 comic itself.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk said he was holding back so yes, Stoic is correct.

What does the depiction of The Sentry during SIEGE indicate to you about his power?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What does the depiction of The Sentry during SIEGE indicate to you about his power?

Don't understand what you are implying here.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
What does the depiction of The Sentry during SIEGE indicate to you about his power? That it's too much for Superman to handle.

Originally posted by ODG
What an obtuse question as 1) the answer is plainly obvious, and 2) you witlessly ignored the actual storyline.

1) That was the most power Sentry could bring to bear at the time without Voiding out. That was not the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time.

2) That it wasn't the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time was proven not even a few pages later. You didn't need the Heart of the Monster storyline years later to prove that. You just had to turn a few phucking pages in the actual World War Hulk #5 comic itself.

Originally posted by ODG
What an obtuse question as 1) the answer is plainly obvious, and 2) you witlessly ignored the actual storyline.

1) That was the most power Sentry could bring to bear at the time without Voiding out. That was not the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time.

2) That it wasn't the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time was proven not even a few pages later. You didn't need the Heart of the Monster storyline years later to prove that. You just had to turn a few phucking pages in the actual World War Hulk #5 comic itself.

So they added the revision because it was so "Expletive" obvious the first time around.

Originally posted by Mindset
That it's too much for Superman to handle.

YOU are now number TWO on The Purge list!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
So they added the revision because it was so "Expletive" obvious the first time around.

Lol...what ODG is telling you is, right after the Hulk and Sentry fight, Hulk went Super Saiyan. This literally took place a couple of pages AFTER their fight. He was amped to the point that he was stating he could destroy Earth with another footstep. What does this tell you LOB?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Since you've decided to jump in the line of fire, you can deal with the following.

Stoic asserted that despite the on panel evidence in the fight between The Hulk and Sentry in WORLD WAR HULK, Banner wasn't going all out. The premise for this stance is that subsequent events indicated that he was capable of much more.

Using the standard created by, Stoic, I now ask YOU the following.

Do the depictions of The Sentry after the fight you posted indicate that Robert was really not holding back?

The Sentry wasn't holding back in his fight with Hulk. I wouldn't say he went all out under his own power. It's more to do with the fact that he lost control halfway through the fight.

The events in the Ultron fight are quite the same. As soon as he sees Lindy is dead and he loses control. Whereas the precedent for the WWH fight is different to the Ultron one. Although with WWH I think Sentry wasn't as likely to turn as he was the Ultron fight.

@LOB

Same comic...pages after his fight with Sentry.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh033.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh034.jpg.html
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh035.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...what ODG is telling you is, right after the Hulk and Sentry fight, Hulk went Super Saiyan. This literally took place a couple of pages AFTER their fight. He was amped to the point that he was stating he could destroy Earth with another footstep. What does this tell you LOB?

It tells me the same standard should be applied in reference to The Sentry.

You jumped into the argument without taking stock of what is going on.

My point is the inherent contradiction involved in those who hold Sentry to that showing when later depictions prove otherwise.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
It tells me the same standard should be applied in reference to The Sentry.

You jumped into the argument without taking stock of what is going on.

My point is the inherent contradiction involved in those who hold Sentry to that showing when later depictions prove otherwise.

What we are telling you is, we don't even have to wait until 'later' to see if Hulk was holding back or not. He shows this in the SAME comic him and Sentry fought in. The same comic. Do you not see the flaw in your argument?

Plus, your argument is similar to me saying "Superman held back against HP Doomsday because he showed better fts afterwards. WTF man.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
So they added the revision because it was so "Expletive" obvious the first time around. There are people who read comics and don't phucking get it.

That fact may have escaped you.

Which is ironic.

Because you are living proof of it.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
get over your obsession with me and crying about every Hulk related subject like you always do. You were crying when I responded....
Originally posted by Insane Titan
you will never get some posters to understand that a DC chsracter will do as well/better than Hulk/Marvel character This is most of your post history

Originally posted by ODG
What an obtuse question as 1) the answer is plainly obvious, and 2) you witlessly ignored the actual storyline.

1) That was the most power Sentry could bring to bear at the time without Voiding out. That was not the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time.

2) That it wasn't the most power Hulk could bring to bear at the time was proven not even a few pages later. You didn't need the Heart of the Monster storyline years later to prove that. You just had to turn a few phucking pages in the actual World War Hulk #5 comic itself. A spoon-feeding if I've ever seen one

Originally posted by carver9
What we are telling you is, we don't even have to wait until 'later' to see if Hulk was holding back or not. He shows this in the SAME comic him and Sentry fought in. The same comic. Do you not see the flaw in your argument?

Plus, your argument is similar to me saying "Superman held back against HP Doomsday because he showed better fts afterwards. WTF man.

I'll try to make this as simple as possible.

Stoic posted this.



According to the writer. Yes he did. It's actually canon to the story. It's written after the story just before he travels to the Dark Dimension, but it's still canon.

It literally took him less than 3 panels to go from not being able to stop Sakaar from exploding to being able to overpower the forces that were going to make it explode. This is just the first piece of evidence that he was actually holding back. Then he literally comes out and says that he was. Another piece of evidence happens at the very end of the WW Hulk arc, when with a footfall he nearly sinks the entire Eastern Seaboard. And he was trying to stop himself.

That confirms Banner's status and despite the event pages later they added HOM to top it all off.

With Sentry there is always the element of his mental instability. While you have instances where he clearly performed better than he did in WWH, there is only ONE circumstance of him "Going all out".

That event is SIEGE.

Your attempt at making an analogy with Superman is asinine because the issue of dynamic strength and his mental blocks are firmly established. The relationship between Robert and The Void always made the issue murky at best.

Sentry had another dose of serum before Seige. Which happened after WWH.

Originally posted by ODG
There are people who read comics and don't phucking get it.

That fact may have escaped you.

Which is ironic.

Because you are living proof of it.

You would be one to talk about irony.

Let me go very slowly.

Banner. Wasn't. Really. Going. All. Out. During. The. Fight.

Sentry. Wasn't. Really. Going. All. Out. During. The. Fight.

An equal applying of standards to both characters allows this by any rational measure.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'll try to make this as simple as possible.

Stoic posted this.



According to the writer. Yes he did. It's actually canon to the story. It's written after the story just before he travels to the Dark Dimension, but it's still canon.

It literally took him less than 3 panels to go from not being able to stop Sakaar from exploding to being able to overpower the forces that were going to make it explode. This is just the first piece of evidence that he was actually holding back. Then he literally comes out and says that he was. Another piece of evidence happens at the very end of the WW Hulk arc, when with a footfall he nearly sinks the entire Eastern Seaboard. And he was trying to stop himself.

That confirms Banner's status and despite the event pages later they added HOM to top it all off.

With Sentry there is always the element of his mental instability. While you have instances where he clearly performed better than he did in WWH, there is only ONE circumstance of him "Going all out".

That event is SIEGE.

Your attempt at making an analogy with Superman is asinine because the issue of dynamic strength and his mental blocks are firmly established. The relationship between Robert and The Void always made the issue murky at best.

Didn't Sentry take another dose of Serum before or after Seige? This question isn't for LOB, for someone else.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sentry had another dose of serum before Seige. Which happened after WWH.

Thanks.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Sentry take another dose of Serum before or after Seige? This question isn't for LOB, for someone else.

Do you even read bro?

Bran said Before.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanks.

Except from the fact that the serum done nothing apart from weakening Robert's control so the Void could break out easier as he did. It had nothing to do with amping him or anything.