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Marvel

Over a long encounter though not just one fight

Dracula easy. Too hard to put down, and Strange level telepathy/hypnosis

CadenceV2
Great assessment
Thanks

Off topic a bit. Do you think Dracula could defeat the werewolves and zombies?

Blue Marvel

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Dracula easy. Too hard to put down, and Strange level telepathy/hypnosis I don't think so. He has to make eye contact to use his telepathy and turning into a flock of bats or a gout of mist won't help when BM shoots anti-matter at him.

Dracula being the anti-christ of marvel may mean he isn't susceptible to anti-matter.
Plus most people don't even know when hes around.

Originally posted by Wonder Man
Dracula being the anti-christ of marvel may mean he isn't susceptible to anti-matter.
Plus most people don't even know when hes around. lol, I forgot how funny some of your posts could be. He isn't the anti-christ, if anything, that would be Damon Helstrom.

anyway, if something as mundane as a wooden stake can kill him, getting his matter completely destroyed would definitely kill him.

Wonder Man truly is a wonder poster.

Why do you think Blue Marvel operates over seas.
Because Dracula moves from west to east.

Originally posted by deathslash
I don't think so. He has to make eye contact to use his telepathy and turning into a flock of bats or a gout of mist won't help when BM shoots anti-matter at him.

Dracula has several feats of healing from dust and bones due to the immortality granted by the Darkhold curse and as King of the vampires. So I dont see why something like Anti Matter will end off once and for all a being of the Darkhold imo. A bloodlusted Silver Surfer, determine Dr Strange, and Thor failed to kill Dracula, not sure why BM should.

Making eye contact is also not hard. Silver Surfer and Dr Strange made eye contact easy enough in fights. Dont see why BM wont. There is also the fact one bite for any reason equals auto win like it did on Apocalypse.

I also feel Dracula has a slight speed edge.

CadenceV2 thanks for your valuable input.
You might be able to get someone on the board to make you a siggy.
He also doesn't reflect so he could trounce longer than he has to.
Stamina is in his favor.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Dracula has several feats of healing from dust and bones due to the immortality granted by the Darkhold curse and as King of the vampires. So I dont see why something like Anti Matter will end off once and for all a being of the Darkhold imo. A bloodlusted Silver Surfer, determine Dr Strange, and Thor failed to kill Dracula, not sure why BM should.

Making eye contact is also not hard. Silver Surfer and Dr Strange made eye contact easy enough in fights. Dont see why BM wont. There is also the fact one bite for any reason equals auto win like it did on Apocalypse.

I also feel Dracula has a slight speed edge. He's also been killed by blade, punked by Deadpool, bitched by the hulk, and gotten chopped up by Apocalypse. He's far from being the sort of unbeatable badass that you're making him out to be. He's not stronger than the hulk (who BM oneshotted), or Sentry (who BM fought to a near standstill), or the Avengers team that Adam fought, or king Hyperion (who BM solidly beat), or Pagan (who BM is heavily implied to have beaten).

lol, even if he does make eye contact, he still needs to have a sufficiently powerful will in order to hypnotise him.
Http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tYiCGgNLJ8c/SPB25m51X8I/AAAAAAAAFIg/OcGX_-QYPRY/s1600-h/qfight0080-a.jpg

He's been owned by blade, owned by Deadpool, and owned by the hulk. All three of those characters were casually keeping up with his speed. What makes you think that the character that can fly from New York to Rome, beat Ultimo and then fly back to New York in only a few minutes is slower? Adam has kept up with King Hyperion and Nova. He's not slower than Dracula.

marvel should be able to handle him without much trouble. mist isn't immune to anti-matter that i'm aware of.

Originally posted by leonidas
marvel should be able to handle him without much trouble. mist isn't immune to anti-matter that i'm aware of.

Thor has beaten him with lightning. Anti-Matter would probably erase him.

Originally posted by deathslash
He's also been killed by blade, punked by Deadpool, bitched by the hulk, and gotten chopped up by Apocalypse. He's far from being the sort of unbeatable badass that you're making him out to be. He's not stronger than the hulk (who BM oneshotted), or Sentry (who BM fought to a near standstill), or the Avengers team that Adam fought, or king Hyperion (who BM solidly beat), or Pagan (who BM is heavily implied to have beaten).

lol, even if he does make eye contact, he still needs to have a sufficiently powerful will in order to hypnotise him.
Http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tYiCGgNLJ8c/SPB25m51X8I/AAAAAAAAFIg/OcGX_-QYPRY/s1600-h/qfight0080-a.jpg

He's been owned by blade, owned by Deadpool, and owned by the hulk. All three of those characters were casually keeping up with his speed. What makes you think that the character that can fly from New York to Rome, beat Ultimo and then fly back to New York in only a few minutes is slower? Adam has kept up with King Hyperion and Nova. He's not slower than Dracula.

He been beaten by Blade? Never in a straight fight ever I read. Lots of context.

Punked by Deadpool? You mean the writer made Deadpool's blood toxic for plot device? Thats your counter?

Bitched by Hulk? You mean Hulk amped by Odin brother and was more powerful than any high tier at the time? Guess what beat that Hulk too. One of Dracula's minions using TP b the way.

Im not making him bigger than he is mate. I stated facts that Dracula survive a Blood lusted Surfer. Fact. He contended with Thor till Sifs blood poison him and weaken him. Fact. He beat Apoc, X Men biggest villain really with a single bite. Fact. He beat Strange once with telepathy, trick Strange again with hypnosis, and Strange needed tons of prep to beat Dracula the final fight via Darkhold in Stranges Possession. Fact.

I dont see why a non jobbing/written to his best Dracula cannot beat Blue Marvel easy with Hypnosis or not survive BM best attacks. That simple.

As for speed, Hulk never "kept up" with Dracula. Hulk made a single AOE blast. One attack that was it. One that Dracula survived fine and healed instantly from when all the other Vampires died.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5476189-dracula+feat+durability+%2815%29.png
https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5476190-dracula+feat+durability+%2816%29.png
https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5476191-dracula+feat+durability+%2817%29.png

Deadpool was speed blitz laughably easy by Dracula too till Dracula was poison by Deadpools blood.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5456559-dracula+feat+speed+%2811%29.jpg
https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5456560-dracula+feat+speed+%2812%29.png
So wrong there.

Drac holds a major speed edge. The guy matches speed with Mach 2+ Spitfire.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5796370-dracula+feat+speed+%2815%29.png

Im not seeing peak human in combat speed Blue Marvel holding a edge or matching at all IMO.

I don't think BM is peak human combat speed. He can also emit powerful light energy.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I don't think BM is peak human combat speed. He can also emit powerful light energy.

Does he show any real combat speed though? I seen his fights in Ultimates,and nothing stands out as after image combat speed worthy. I dont recall any statements of him fighting or reacting to mach+ speeds

He actually caught a truck thrown behind him to save civilians. He ran instead of using flight. You'd have to be way beyond peak human speed to react to something like that. That guy who threw it is also high class 100.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/23tl11f.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He actually caught a truck thrown behind him to save civilians. He ran instead of using flight. You'd have to be way beyond peak human speed to react to something like that. That guy who threw it is also high class 100.

I feel Cap or Daredevil can do that, and Cap America has done similar things.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
I feel Cap or Daredevil can do that, and Cap America has done similar things.
Really? In general I doubt they can. Anyways u mentioned after images. I thought this was pretty ok.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6DkAg7IOdQw/WOzhHpX1TeI/AAAAAAADJ4E/t6tzJVVIR7YIxx0nnphPa3a-lBvaT9y6gCLcB/s1600/90_08.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NbGN60T4jBE/WOzhIuq17mI/AAAAAAADJ4Y/XWUOaOfBN7U7NoqG8NpcvMt70gfrQDJAACLcB/s1600/90_13.jpg

Everyone is always talking about experience.
Can you imagine Dracula at the top of his game

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Really? In general I doubt they can. Anyways u mentioned after images. I thought this was pretty ok.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6DkAg7IOdQw/WOzhHpX1TeI/AAAAAAADJ4E/t6tzJVVIR7YIxx0nnphPa3a-lBvaT9y6gCLcB/s1600/90_08.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NbGN60T4jBE/WOzhIuq17mI/AAAAAAADJ4Y/XWUOaOfBN7U7NoqG8NpcvMt70gfrQDJAACLcB/s1600/90_13.jpg
Ok those are better examples of blur speeds. Not after image quality, but better than peak human.