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They switch universe. Both have prep

Batman. Tony doesn't add anything that DC doesn't have.

Tony does better in the fights for obvious reasons but I think Bruce might overall make better decisions than Tony. I personally think it would average out at pretty even with both of them having different scenarios better or worse.

I dont see Bane breaking Tonys back though so theres that

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Tony does better in the fights for obvious reasons but I think Bruce might overall make better decisions than Tony. I personally think it would average out at pretty even with both of them having different scenarios better or worse.

I dont see Bane breaking Tonys back though so theres that

Tony with prep can like take out the Hulk. Batman with prep is multiversal. They arent on the same level.

Been done a few times.

Batman does better for the reasons Sin states. But, the Joker dies.

Batman Annual #4 is a week in the life of Batman. Tony won't last.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Tony with prep can like take out the Hulk. Batman with prep is multiversal. They arent on the same level.

Without prep, Batman takes on universal threats.

https://i.postimg.cc/50KV9MqD/RCO029-1572439079.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman Annual #4 is a week in the life of Batman. Tony won't last.



Without prep, Batman takes on universal threats.

https://i.postimg.cc/50KV9MqD/RCO029-1572439079.jpg Pretty much.

Originally posted by HumbleServant
They switch universe. Both have prep

Tony, easily. Anybody that tells you otherwise is an flat out idiot, Tony created a damn "easy" button. Tony with 24 hours is a greater monster than Bruce with prep. Tony is a futurist always has been since he was 9 years old.

Bruce has 24 hours to prep for a guy he doesn't know. A guy so smart he borders on precog. And that guy is prepping for him. Complete mismatch

Lmao, idiot.

That's only cause you're a dc swallower, Go read a comic. This man resurrected himself. Saved his self in tech. Has adapted Asgardian shit into armor. He is better than Bruce in every way that doesn't include punching.

That's not what the OP is asking for though. They're not fighting each other.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Tony, easily. Anybody that tells you otherwise is an flat out idiot, Tony created a damn "easy" button. Tony with 24 hours is a greater monster than Bruce with prep. Tony is a futurist always has been since he was 9 years old.

Bruce has 24 hours to prep for a guy he doesn't know. A guy so smart he borders on precog. And that guy is prepping for him. Complete mismatch

Is this thread asking for them prepping for each other?

Batman is just good at everything

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is this thread asking for them prepping for each other?


No. If IM was placed in Gotham and vice versa.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Tony, easily. Anybody that tells you otherwise is an flat out idiot, Tony created a damn "easy" button. Tony with 24 hours is a greater monster than Bruce with prep. Tony is a futurist always has been since he was 9 years old.

Bruce has 24 hours to prep for a guy he doesn't know. A guy so smart he borders on precog. And that guy is prepping for him. Complete mismatch

What are the greatest prep feats of Iron Man?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Tony, easily. Anybody that tells you otherwise is an flat out idiot, Tony created a damn "easy" button. Tony with 24 hours is a greater monster than Bruce with prep. Tony is a futurist always has been since he was 9 years old.

Bruce has 24 hours to prep for a guy he doesn't know. A guy so smart he borders on precog. And that guy is prepping for him. Complete mismatch


I dont think its fair to call people an idiot because they disagree with you. I do think people are sleeping on Tony a little bit though.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I dont think its fair to call people an idiot because they disagree with you. I do think people are sleeping on Tony a little bit though.

Especially when he's misread the OP, lol.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I dont think its fair to call people an idiot because they disagree with you. I do think people are sleeping on Tony a little bit though.

Not sleeping on him. Tony just doesn't face the same caliber of threats as Bruce. His rogues pale in comparison and despite being a tech genius, he doesn't think his way out of situations as much as you'd think he would. His solo runs have been abysmal and imo he still hasn't recovered from the Otto owning. Wayne wouldn't take an L like that.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are the greatest prep feats of Iron Man?

the guy built a couple of sentinels that took down every hero from Hyperion to Doctor Strange and even omega mutants who assembled (and it took them all on together). Best part is the beating was so bad Magneto had to recruit the deadliest villains to bust the sentinels and grab a winning chance.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Not sleeping on him. Tony just doesn't face the same caliber of threats as Bruce. His rogues pale in comparison and despite being a tech genius, he doesn't think his way out of situations as much as you'd think he would. His solo runs have been abysmal and imo he still hasn't recovered from the Otto owning. Wayne wouldn't take an L like that.

Bruce really isn't. He's a psychologist, strategist and detective but far surpassed by MANY people in DC in science knowledge. Stop it

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bruce really isn't. He's a psychologist, strategist and detective but far surpassed by MANY people in DC in science knowledge. Stop it

I will address this post. I can't remember the previous feats you described.


Yes, there are other characters who are smarter than him, morrow, terrific comes to mind. But I think you don't understand what Bruce is. He's like weaponized willpower. He's imo a lantern ring without a lantern or a ring. Just a man who will to do whatever for the sake of the mission. Tony isn't outperforming someone with that drive level. I honestly think Wayne could get killed and simply say no and will himself back to life and readers would be like well he IS Batman so it's logical. IM doesn't have that kind of fallacy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I will address this post. I can't remember the previous feats you described.


Yes, there are other characters who are smarter than him, morrow, terrific comes to mind. But I think you don't understand what Bruce is. He's like weaponized willpower. He's imo a lantern ring without a lantern or a ring. Just a man who will to do whatever for the sake of the mission. Tony isn't outperforming someone with that drive level. I honestly think Wayne could get killed and simply say no and will himself back to life and readers would be like well he IS Batman so it's logical. IM doesn't have that kind of fallacy.

Plot armor doesn't exist on forums. And Idk why this scan was posted, he simply answered a question here it's like some kinda sphinx scene with extra effect.


Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman Annual #4 is a week in the life of Batman. Tony won't last.



Without prep, Batman takes on universal threats.

https://i.postimg.cc/50KV9MqD/RCO029-1572439079.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Plot armor doesn't exist on forums. And Idk why this scan was posted, he simply answered a question here it's like some kinda sphinx scene with extra effect.

We go by feats on this forum. So it's valid whether we want it to be or not. He looked a god in the face and said I'm Batman and the god backed down. It moots any Iron Man argument

Batman.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We go by feats on this forum. So it's valid whether we want it to be or not. He looked a god in the face and said I'm Batman and the god backed down. It moots any Iron Man argument

So thinking the sentence "I'm Batman" holds some special power that makes things work out for him or trump card over high Dimensional beings law? But I'm the troll eh? KMC never fails to amuse me

All Bruce did was passed the test. The creature asked him why he should be.. AND he kinda put the answer in his sassyness, He helps protect his world from threat, he's a smart guy. If Tony can give a good reply too, he'd "defeat" the threat aswell 🤦

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So thinking the sentence "I'm Batman" holds some special power that makes things work out for him or trump card over high Dimensional beings law? But I'm the troll eh? KMC never fails to amuse me

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
All Bruce did was passed the test. The creature asked him why he should be.. AND he kinda put the answer in his sassyness, He helps protect his world from threat, he's a smart guy. If Tony can give a good reply too, he'd "defeat" the threat aswell 🤦

You can hand wave it away all you like but it happened on panel. Until Tony does something similar you argument is fail. You cannot call it trolling when it's backed up

batman doesn't prep he just randomly gets plot device

just recently he got black lantern ring in death metal

Originally posted by MrMind
batman doesn't prep he just randomly gets plot device

just recently he got black lantern ring in death metal
why

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Bruce really isn't. He's a psychologist, strategist and detective but far surpassed by MANY people in DC in science knowledge. Stop it

I think your missing the point. These things you list are exactly why Bruce would do better if they swapped positions. Vril Dox II isn't as smart as his father or his son Querl (both of whom are 12th level genius while he is only 10th), yet he has beaten both more than once because he is a far better psychologist and plays their ego against them. He uses it as a means to manipulate them into doing what he wants them to and falling into his traps. They both beat him in every area of science but he is a better strategist and psychologist. Similarly he has beaten other adversaries that are "smarter than him.

Could Bruce build the tech that Tony can? Absolutely not
Would Bruce beat the threats that Tony has faced? Absolutely yes.

The same cannot be said in reverse. Tony wouldn't solve the mysteries Bruce has. He would be able to replocate the detective skills to solve all the crimes. He also would have problems taking down some of Bruce's more insane enemies.

If they switched places in each other's universes Bruce could still defeat most if not all of the adversaries Tony has, without creating the tech he did but by strategy and psychology. Tony could not do everything that Bruce could to fill his role and the tech he could create wouldnt fill the void

Tony would attempt to solve the problems of Gotham by building a Joker Buster suit.

Anyway, this is in addition to the universal threat I posted above - same two weeks.

Sure, Tony could solve most of them - not saying he can't dive down and rescue trapped divers or whatnot. But everyday, day after day after day, whilst at the same time running a company and maintaining his playboy image?

https://i.postimg.cc/FfnMpFdL/RCO032-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/2VRfg5Hd/RCO033-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/GTYnH0ps/RCO034-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d71MGZ1F/RCO035-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7bTkBzNY/RCO036-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hXKRP5Rf/RCO037-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QFSGBJjS/RCO038-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nC4txt5y/RCO039-w-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/R62zSCvB/RCO040-1572439079.jpg

In addition to this, Albert misses the point of the universal threat. When faced with the same issue, Tony would have attempted to fight it with his repulsor blasts.

https://i.imgur.com/p9iBgt3.png
https://i.imgur.com/p9iBgt3.png

Batman just stole himself a new Robin.

"....and he never will"

Not surprised they didn't show the lower part of their bodies

Or Batman's hands.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But everyday, day after day after day, whilst at the same time running a company and maintaining his playboy image?

He used to pretend to be his own bodyguard and an Avenger before he revealed his identity. For most of his superhero career, in fact.

So living two lives is not anything new to him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, this is in addition to the universal threat I posted above - same two weeks.

Sure, Tony could solve most of them - not saying he can't dive down and rescue trapped divers or whatnot. But everyday, day after day after day, whilst at the same time running a company and maintaining his playboy image?

https://i.postimg.cc/FfnMpFdL/RCO032-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/2VRfg5Hd/RCO033-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/GTYnH0ps/RCO034-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d71MGZ1F/RCO035-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7bTkBzNY/RCO036-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hXKRP5Rf/RCO037-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QFSGBJjS/RCO038-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nC4txt5y/RCO039-w-1572439079.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/R62zSCvB/RCO040-1572439079.jpg

In addition to this, Albert misses the point of the universal threat. When faced with the same issue, Tony would have attempted to fight it with his repulsor blasts.

tony also would have been scanning energy signature's so he can create a counter pulse or something that would hurt it. At the same time he's not retarded either and has figured out mysteries too like the whole paragon issue way back in the first storyline in the IM director of shield book.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He used to pretend to be his own bodyguard and an Avenger before he revealed his identity. For most of his superhero career, in fact.

So living two lives is not anything new to him.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying he can't do SOME aspects of it.

But it's doing it everyday. It's the workload of a street level hero, coupled with the workload of a herald (when Batman shows up for the JLA big events).

Tony's role in the Avengers is to be one of their big guns and is rolled out for the main events. The Punisher has to stick around to solve crimes and stop muggings etc. It's going out on patrol every night, and at the same time being the playboy billionaire, and at the same time having to fight Kalibak.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yeah, I'm not saying he can't do SOME aspects of it.

But it's doing it everyday. It's the workload of a street level hero, coupled with the workload of a herald (when Batman shows up for the JLA big events).

Tony's role in the Avengers is to be one of their big guns and is rolled out for the main events. The Punisher has to stick around to solve crimes and stop muggings etc. It's going out on patrol every night, and at the same time being the playboy billionaire, and at the same time having to fight Kalibak.

Tony could easily make multiple suits to patrol or have Rhodey or Pepper( assuming they come with him) to do patrols or stand in for him. He could create a LMD to go to meetings or some shit.

Just to clear some stuff up:

Arkham isn't some revolving door airy-fairy mental hospital. They DO actually make it pretty advanced (like Tony would):
https://i.postimg.cc/F1xvSvFh/RCO008-1475726140.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7JwB4jjV/RCO009-1475726140.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/K3f08J2y/RCO010-1475726140.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grpdrjWM/RCO011-1475726140.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/6y5XLPTn/RCO012-1475726140.jpg

And they use New God tech - which apparently the Riddler can defeat on the fly, no prep. I mean, argue that it is PIS all you want - but it happens. Moreover, let's not pretend it's just Batman on his own here - he has the entire Bat family plus Leslie Thompson etc etc. Yet Gotham is still a handful.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yeah, I'm not saying he can't do SOME aspects of it.

But it's doing it everyday. It's the workload of a street level hero, coupled with the workload of a herald (when Batman shows up for the JLA big events).

Tony's role in the Avengers is to be one of their big guns and is rolled out for the main events. The Punisher has to stick around to solve crimes and stop muggings etc. It's going out on patrol every night, and at the same time being the playboy billionaire, and at the same time having to fight Kalibak.

Tony was doing it everyday.

From stopping losers like Stiltman (lol) to fighting powerhouses such as Count Nefaria. Working on several teams, for United Nations, for SHIELD, all while doing his solo adventures, too.

Saving dogs from being run over, too.

Batman is not as special as you would like him to be. He shines in his own universe, but that's because most heroes there are lazy bums

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tony was doing it everyday.

From stopping losers like Stiltman (lol) to fighting powerhouses such as Count Nefaria. Working on several teams, for United Nations, for SHIELD, all while doing his solo adventures, too.

Saving dogs from being run over, too.

Batman is not as special as you would like him to be. He shines in his own universe, but that's because most heroes there are lazy bums

Lol, let's be honest, Iron Man hasn't been nor ever will have as many appearances as Batman, even across the various teams.

But your points still miss out the vital patrol aspect, of Tony not only doing ALL that you say, but ALSO doing nightly patrols to stop alleyway muggings etc.

Now, you could argue that he just creates drones to do all that. But that shows he CAN'T do what Bats does.

Not to mention a lot of Batman's adventures take place during the night, when Tony is fast asleep lol.

@Albert: EXACTLY. Glad you see my point we are in agreement, you are welcome.

An additional scan:
https://i.postimg.cc/QMfgjY7P/RCO020-1489569230.jpg
Tech so advanced, even New Gods can't crack it. And New Gods are hundreds of years ahead of Earth. Yet the Riddler cracks it in 11 seconds.

Yeah, Tony relying on tech would get him in trouble lol.

You acting like Tony wouldn't have Gotham like Batman had it in kingdom come but with more lethality. Massive surveillance , Iron-drones everywhere it'd really change Gotham to the core probably creating something like a New Gotham and an Old Gotham. New Gotham a technological marvel while Old Gotham the outer remnants of Gotham clinging to it's past, crime ridden pushed out of the main part of Gotham that Tony really focuses on.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You acting like Tony wouldn't have Gotham like Batman had it in kingdom come but with more lethality. Massive surveillance , Iron-drones everywhere it'd really change Gotham to the core probably creating something like a New Gotham and an Old Gotham. New Gotham a technological marvel while Old Gotham the outer remnants of Gotham clinging to it's past, crime ridden pushed out of the main part of Gotham that Tony really focuses on.

Because he's never done this for NYC...

But at least he didn't have his continuity being reset several times.

I like the way you're repping Bats on this board, but you're one of the least knowledgeable posters we've got when it comes to Stark.

You're only keeping this thread going because Alberto is here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he's never done this for NYC...

How many super powered Heroes populate NYC?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But your points still miss out the vital patrol aspect, of Tony not only doing ALL that you say, but ALSO doing nightly patrols to stop alleyway muggings etc. I don't think anyone would argue that Batman's stamina and overall shape is clearly beyond Tony. Also Batman's detective skills are far beyond Tony. The thing is Tony works his way around this with his tech (drones etc) while Batman goes out on patrol, that doesn't even automatically mean Batman is dumb for doing this, it's just the character, like Spider-Man.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But at least he didn't have his continuity being reset several times.

I like the way you're repping Bats on this board, but you're one of the least knowledgeable posters we've got when it comes to Stark.

You're only keeping this thread going because Alberto is here.

I have read enough to know that when there is a threat that Tony needs solving, he builds an armour for it and goes in guns blazing. My point is that it doesn't solve anything. There are some things you can't just build a machine to solve your issues for.

But sure, if you have anything to counter my series of scans, go for it. I can 100% guarantee you can't, because Tony isn't that kind of hero, and doesn't have as many appearances as Bats. Wolverine, now, sure, but not Tony. Tony doesn't have the stamina to continually do what Batman does.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How many super powered Heroes populate NYC?

Even better. All those heroes, and NYC still has crime what losers, if we use your logic.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I don't think anyone would argue that Batman's stamina and overall shape is clearly beyond Tony. Also Batman's detective skills are far beyond Tony. The thing is Tony works his way around this with his tech (drones etc) while Batman goes out on patrol, that doesn't even automatically mean Batman is dumb for doing this, it's just the character, like Spider-Man.

Agreed.

My point was that there is a limit to how much tech can cover up for the shortcomings of Tony vs Batman. Using drones etc is fine and all - until you get into what Albert is proposing, which is a complete police state with shoot to kill drones in one part of Gotham and a lawless wild west in the other.

My thing is You act like he's never done this before he's done it to San Francisco in the past but San Francisco is no Gotham city. Tony would handle Gotham differently he'd honestly go heavy handed with his tech to try and clean up Gotham whether they like it nor not:
https://i.postimg.cc/kBbC2StB/savf.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because he's never done this for NYC... what about the alternative future where he sort of did go Superior Iron Man on crime. Can't remember what it was called Big town maybe.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
My thing is You act like he's never done this before he's done it to San Francisco in the past but San Francisco is no Gotham city. Tony would handle Gotham differently he'd honestly go heavy handed with his tech to try and clean up Gotham whether they like it nor not:
https://i.postimg.cc/kBbC2StB/savf.jpg

Why you always post useless miniatures instead of actual scans...

You're doing more harm than good to Marvel's side.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why you always post useless miniatures instead of actual scans...

You're doing more harm than good to Marvel's side. http://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img905/9795/dFvws2.jpg

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img905/9795/dFvws2.jpg

Imagizer link doesn't work when copied.

But yeah, I was able to find it via reverse image search, it's not about that.

It's that Alberto keeps posting scans that can't be read, trolling on purpose.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But yeah, I was able to find it via reverse image search, it's not about that. I used Nazi science

Lmao. Also, isn't that Axis Tony? So had his moral compass inverted, Tony?

In short, no, he's not doing that normally....

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I used Nazi science

I know.

https://tinyurl.com/mbwq8h2

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao. Also, isn't that Axis Tony? So had his moral compass inverted, Tony?

In short, no, he's not doing that normally....

It's from Superior Iron Man, yes.

Lol Albert is making a really terrible case for you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao. Also, isn't that Axis Tony? So had his moral compass inverted, Tony?

In short, no, he's not doing that normally....

he can push up on that line though, easily.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he can push up on that line though, easily.

So why post scans of when he had his moral compass realigned by a global telepath?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What are the greatest prep feats of Iron Man?

One-shotting Wonder Man, beating Hyperion.

Knocking out the Hulk without prep.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Batman. Tony doesn't add anything that DC doesn't have.

He is Marvel's greatest multitasker, he adds a lot.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11115/111151115/3684598-4719726427-ac13..jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUSdum0WkAAki-O.jpg


Bruce = monster


Tony = hero

For Sin Batman is the one looking heroic there

Yeah, I remember the infamous Sin and Rusty mini-series.

Originally posted by Bentley
For Sin Batman is the one looking heroic there

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One-shotting Wonder Man, beating Hyperion.

Knocking out the Hulk without prep.



He is Marvel's greatest multitasker, he adds a lot. not to mention time traveller, sols anvil and a million other insane things.

Originally posted by Bentley
For Sin Batman is the one looking heroic there

This guy gets it

I think the interesting part would be more about how their personalities and worldviews would affect their actions if they got swapped. How would Batman handle the events of Civil War? How would his conversations with Mallen(including the mid-fight debate) or Maya go during Extremis? What approach would Bruce even take to the broader issues presented there? How would Tony address the mindwipes in Identity Crisis? How would he respond to Tim's dad dying? How would he be received by the Justice League?

And some issues may go better for either person simply because they wouldn't get caught up in that particular dumpster fire to begin with.

Originally posted by StyleTime
How would his conversations with Mallen

Oh yeah, I'd love that

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think the interesting part would be more about how their personalities and worldviews would affect their actions if they got swapped. How would Batman handle the events of Civil War? How would his conversations with Mallen(including the mid-fight debate) or Maya go during Extremis? What approach would Bruce even take to the broader issues presented there? How would Tony address the mindwipes in Identity Crisis? How would he respond to Tim's dad dying? How would he be received by the Justice League?

And some issues may go better for either person simply because they wouldn't get caught up in that particular dumpster fire to begin with.

Bruce would be dead set against government registration

Originally posted by MrMind
Bruce would be dead set against government registration he would 100%

Pft, you give Batman too much credit, after a week into Civil War the US becomes Batcountry