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In a strict H2H combat which street leveler has the best chance here IF any at all........

Iron fist vs Thing
Batman vs wonder Woman
Shang Chi vs Wonder Man
Captain America vs Thor
Daredevil vs Namor ( fully hydrated )
Black Panther vs Hulk ( Joe Fixit )

Maybe Panther... followed by IF

Iron Fist

IF

IF and Cap.

Also add Shang. It's basically between those three, with Panther being iffy due to which version of Fixit Hulk shows up

Batman has a chance you guys still read their sh*tty books

Of course he has a chance, he has BatMite watching over him. But WW is more skilled than all the other opponents.

Strictly H2H (like IF can't use his Chi abilities or enhance his stats with Chi)? Then Daredevil has the best shot. He can try for a Hail Mary pressure point attack vs Namor.

Originally posted by lawest9
In a strict H2H combat which street leveler has the best chance here IF any at all........

Iron fist vs Thing
Batman vs wonder Woman
Shang Chi vs Wonder Man
Captain America vs Thor
Daredevil vs Namor ( fully hydrated )
Black Panther vs Hulk ( Joe Fixit )

Iron Fist isn't a street leveler though. He's a meta. Spider tier.

Originally posted by zopzop
Strictly H2H (like IF can't use his Chi abilities or enhance his stats with Chi)? Then Daredevil has the best shot. He can try for a Hail Mary pressure point attack vs Namor.

Shang already used pressure point attacks against Thing, lol. Pretty sure Mantis did the same to Wonder Man, she did do so against Thor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shang already used pressure point attacks against Thing, lol. Pretty sure Mantis did the same to Wonder Man, she did do so against Thor.

Mantis isn't really street though, she's more like Val Armorr/Karate Kid. Plus she sprinted across a field to intercept shotgun fire after the gun went off.

Same issue she took down Thor, I think.


...or was that Gamora who did the shotgun thing...?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also add Shang. It's basically between those three, with Panther being iffy due to which version of Fixit Hulk shows up

Counting on his armor plus his off panel beating of Black Dwarf

Yeah, but then Hulk is Hulk - I can well see him getting mad enough to power through. I assume the Panther armour is not allowed, too, just as Bats and Cap aren't allowed armour. But I could be wrong.

Can't Hulk simply rip the suit off? Kraven II proved it's vulnerable at the seams, Hulk should be able to grab and pull it apart.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, but then Hulk is Hulk - I can well see him getting mad enough to power through. I assume the Panther armour is not allowed, too, just as Bats and Cap aren't allowed armour. But I could be wrong.

It's limited to grey right? Y would he suddenly become stronger

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's limited to grey right? Y would he suddenly become stronger Yes limited to JF grey.

bruce one shots diana and then he beats up the rest

Panther was already beating up immortal hulk lol

Yeah but he has his claws that could cut through steel (or adamantium as SOME posters tried to claim lmao) like butter, and his soul spear.

Bearing in mind though, Sue was able to block them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but he has his claws that could cut through steel (or adamantium as SOME posters tried to claim lmao) like butter, and his soul spear.

Bearing in mind though, Sue was able to block them.

So that Hulk had poor durability?

Originally posted by lawest9
In a strict H2H combat which street leveler has the best chance here IF any at all........

Iron fist vs Thing
Batman vs wonder Woman
Shang Chi vs Wonder Man
Captain America vs Thor
Daredevil vs Namor ( fully hydrated )
Black Panther vs Hulk ( Joe Fixit )

Is Iron Fist allowed to use his trademark Iron Fist technique?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Iron Fist allowed to use his trademark Iron Fist technique?

Even without it he still took down most of the Wrecking Crew. Pretty sure they're at least as durable as Ben.

No, their durability is crap.

They have more bulletproof showings than Thor, but against blunt force trauma, they suck.

Plus, they're some of the worst jobbers Marvel has to offer.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, their durability is crap.

They have more bulletproof showings than Thor, but against blunt force trauma, they suck.

Plus, they're some of the worst jobbers Marvel has to offer.

Keep up, Stilt - Shang Chi disabled Ben with pressure point attacks.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11144/111444934/8257772-d9bc173f-a515-42b7-9b6b-0d3051994caf.jpeg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Keep up, Stilt - Shang Chi disabled Ben with pressure point attacks.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11144/111444934/8257772-d9bc173f-a515-42b7-9b6b-0d3051994caf.jpeg


Nice.


Stilt will probably argue Shang isn't Danny though. Even though Danny managed to defeat Shangs rival Cat, who was only ever able to get a draw in three matches. (Funny how Fisk never seems vulnerable to those shenanigans. )

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Keep up, Stilt - Shang Chi disabled Ben with pressure point attacks.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11144/111444934/8257772-d9bc173f-a515-42b7-9b6b-0d3051994caf.jpeg "you people"

tsk tsk Sue

Originally posted by Smurph
"you people"

tsk tsk Sue

That's when I knew....

https://i.imgflip.com/38yapg.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Is Iron Fist allowed to use his trademark Iron Fist technique? Yes.

Originally posted by lawest9
Yes.

That settles then.

But it's also kind of unfair, Dragon Chi puts him waaay above street level. I mean theoretically he could just explode an entire area against an army of streets like Nitro and amp up his durability to tank Cage level hits.

Originally posted by cdtm
That settles then.

But it's also kind of unfair, Dragon Chi puts him waaay above street level. I mean theoretically he could just explode an entire area against an army of streets like Nitro and amp up his durability to tank Cage level hits. I didn't know the Dragon Chi was THAT formidable as I haven't read IF in a very long time, I'm mostly familiar with this feats when he was team up with Luke Cage back in the day so I'm inclined to take the DC away then.

Originally posted by lawest9
I didn't know the Dragon Chi was THAT formidable as I haven't read IF in a very long time, I'm mostly familiar with this feats when he was team up with Luke Cage back in the day so I'm inclined to take the DC away then.

Ever since Fraction and Brubaker he turned from a MA with a gimmick, to throwing around chi like some street fighter character.

Actually did a chi ball Haduken even, turned an undead warrior into a skeleton.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nice.


Stilt will probably argue Shang isn't Danny though. Even though Danny managed to defeat Shangs rival Cat, who was only ever able to get a draw in three matches. (Funny how Fisk never seems vulnerable to those shenanigans. )
Danny wishes he could be Shang, the true master of Kung Fu and the best martial artist in marvel.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Keep up, Stilt - Shang Chi disabled Ben with pressure point attacks.

No, you keep up.

You have no ****ing need of the pressure point strikes in order to hurt the members of the WC.

You just need to throw a punch, lol.

They are only dangerous when Mungi blesses them with his semen --- then they're easily Superman tier or above.

Originally posted by cdtm
Stilt will probably argue Shang isn't Danny though.

No, you moron.

Wrecking Crew are no Ben.

Originally posted by lawest9
Yes.

If so, then I see no reason why he shouldn't take Ben --- he has beaten Colossus, who is in the same brick league with Grimm.

Then you have him doing more harm to P5 Namor than Thor did with a charged Mjolnir sucker shot and so on.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, you keep up.

You have no ****ing need of the pressure point strikes in order to hurt the members of the WC.

You just need to throw a punch, lol.

They are only dangerous when Mungi blesses them with his semen --- then they're easily Superman tier or above.

Lol, all moot. IF is skilled enough to bypass any durability advantage Ben has over the WC, through pressure points. It's completely moot, even if Ben is 1,000,000 times more durable than them, because it's been shown that pressure points work on him in a recent comic.

Shang never beat Ben. Even in their most recent fight. He just managed to hurt him and make him temporarily unable to use one arm.

And landed said nerve hit only when Ben was preoccupied with the other guy.

WC losers, in the example that Todd brought up, were beaten mostly with casual strikes... needs to be said that Danny still used IF tech in the end in order to destroy Thunderball's weapon, though.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
his trademark Iron Fist technique? Keep up, Stilt

Marvel has clearly established that Danny Rand has no ownership of the IF.

That said, Lin Lie wins.

Oh, sure. As we discussed a few days ago.

But Lawest is not familiar with any Marvel or DC characters after 70s.

Lawest is currently writing a fanfic about the technique Iron Fist used on Thunderball's weapon

Originally posted by Smurph
Lawest is currently writing a fanfic about the technique Iron Fist used on Thunderball's weapon

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, you moron.

Wrecking Crew are no Ben.



If so, then I see no reason why he shouldn't take Ben --- he has beaten Colossus, who is in the same brick league with Grimm.

Then you have him doing more harm to P5 Namor than Thor did with a charged Mjolnir sucker shot and so on.

Looks like I need to agree with Stilt, who surprisingly is backing IF here.

Just to be contrarian, I don't believe we ever actually saw his fight against Colossus, only the results. Same results had Natasha also beat Ionic Wonder Man.

But we did.

We saw a single panel of them going h2h and Danny was charging his Iron Fist.

Plus the caption box announcing the winner.

Seems obvious Danny won by fisting him, rather than reading Pr's poetry to him or something equally as barbaric and unfair.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but he has his claws that could cut through steel (or adamantium as SOME posters tried to claim lmao) like butter, and his soul spear.

Bearing in mind though, Sue was able to block them.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So that Hulk had poor durability?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
But we did.

We saw a single panel of them going h2h and Danny was charging his Iron Fist.

Plus the caption box announcing the winner.

Seems obvious Danny won by fisting him, rather than reading Pr's poetry to him or something equally as barbaric and unfair.

Remember that scene where alt-Danny punched clear through alt-Pietro?

It was followed up by Colossus hugging him to death like Lenny from Of Mice and Men hugging a woman.


Basically Colossus's sister from the mainstream universe had to hunt down multiversal anomalies, and while Cage and Danny were fighting for their lives Colossus got sentimental and gut punched Cage to death, then took the Iron Fist on purpose before tenderly smothering Danny. Was both horrific and touching.

Liked the black outfit on Danny at least, he looked like Dread Pirate Roberts.

Eh. It's Panther, so I wouldn't say that necessarily. He did seem squishier than other Hulk's, though.

@Todd

Of course I remember.

Just not sure why you feel nostalgic all of a sudden.

Different versions of the characters, different context.

Here it is, Exiles #27:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/129873494315/iron-fist-vs-magik-from-exiles-2001-27

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Their 616 counterparts don't give a f*ck about each other and - since DS brought it up with Thing earlier - you will be happy to hear that pressure points do work on Colossus, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@Todd

Of course I remember.

Just not sure why you feel nostalgic all of a sudden.

Different versions of the characters, different context.

Here it is, Exiles #27:

https://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/129873494315/iron-fist-vs-magik-from-exiles-2001-27

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Their 616 counterparts don't give a f*ck about each other and - since DS brought it up with Thing earlier - you will be happy to hear that pressure points do work on Colossus, too.

Not so sentimental seeing it again that's pretty awful actually.

Please murder each other so I could go home LOL wink

And why couldn't they be displaced like booster goals sister why does it have to be murder that's just stupid.

Originally posted by cdtm
Remember that scene where alt-Danny punched clear through alt-Pietro?

It was followed up by Colossus hugging him to death like Lenny from Of Mice and Men hugging a woman.


Basically Colossus's sister from the mainstream universe had to hunt down multiversal anomalies, and while Cage and Danny were fighting for their lives Colossus got sentimental and gut punched Cage to death, then took the Iron Fist on purpose before tenderly smothering Danny. Was both horrific and touching.

Liked the black outfit on Danny at least, he looked like Dread Pirate Roberts.

Never saw this. Anybody have the book and number or scans by chance. Would love to check it out.

Nevermind. I should read further before posting.

Originally posted by tkitna
Nevermind. I should read further before posting.



Also, not to be too hard on you, but that particular issue was discussed 3476 times on KMC.

Let's pretend you just forgot

He should have aimed for the head.