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Orion

How when Gladiator is a million times faster than him?

Speed doesn't matter when you have a Mother Box

Originally posted by carver9
How when Gladiator is a million times faster than him?

What are you basing this claim on?

Originally posted by Delta1938
What are you basing this claim on?

Gladiator speed fts. We can compare if you want.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Speed doesn't matter when you have a Mother Box

Yep. It does matter.

Gladiator is a slowpoke

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator speed fts. We can compare if you want.

Go on. Are you using the crossed a galaxy one?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Go on. Are you using the crossed a galaxy one?

I'm using him flying 100 times the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm using him flying 100 times the speed of light.

Weak sauce for Orion.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm using him flying 100 times the speed of light.

Isn't that an example from like Pre Crisis times? Let me know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that an example from like Pre Crisis times? Let me know.

Older than his grandma!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that an example from like Pre Crisis times? Let me know.

Yes. It is. There, I let you know.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Weak sauce for Orion.

Show me Orion punching at light speed and flying without his harness at faster speeds.

Or how about Thanos teleporting Gladiator 200 light years away and Gladiator making it back minutes later...

https://ibb.co/GvHZ8tYG

Originally posted by carver9
Show me Orion punching at light speed and flying without his harness at faster speeds.


Originally posted by carver9
Or how about Thanos teleporting Gladiator 200 light years away and Gladiator making it back minutes later...

https://ibb.co/GvHZ8tYG

Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes. It is. There, I let you know.

Ahhhh gotcha. So Pre Crisis comics are fair game when youre involved. Good to know for future and past 'debates' (in quote marks as you can't debate).

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

.

That scan looks super old, but since OP is OK with using Pre Crisis era comics, who am I to argue

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That scan looks super old, but since OP is OK with using Pre Crisis era comics, who am I to argue

Orion is Orion.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

Current Orion uses a harness to fly, lol. Doesn't count.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Orion uses a harness to fly, lol. Doesn't count.

So moving the goal post? This is Orion. I gave you what you asked for. Concessions accepted.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

Excellent. And everything counts now.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Excellent. And everything counts now.

Derrick will move the goal post more times than Orion traveled light-years.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So moving the goal post? This is Orion. I gave you what you asked for. Concessions accepted.

Lol... yes, you're showing me an ability that doesn't exist anymore to try and make an argument 🤣🤣. I always depicted you as a desperate debator but I at least thought you changed a little bit over time.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Excellent. And everything counts now.

No it doesn't. He can not fly on his own anymore.

the crisis never affected the NG. They don't exist singular like Asgardians. They're much more complicated.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... yes, you're showing me an ability that doesn't exist anymore to try and make an argument 🤣🤣. I always depicted you as a desperate debator but I at least thought you changed a little bit over time.

Prove it doesn't exist anymore. Then we'll see who is desperate.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Speed doesn't matter when you have a Mother Box What level of superspeed does a Motherbox overcome/nullify/make irrelevant?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Prove it doesn't exist anymore. Then we'll see who is desperate.

Him using a harness is proof. He doesn't fly on his own. 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by carver9
Him using a harness is proof. He doesn't fly on his own. 🤣🤣🤣
That's called a circular argument. Thanks for playing. And you call me desperate while over using emojis like a 12 year old school girl to try and sell your false bravado.

So no proof? Gotcha.

https://i.ibb.co/3y4fKypr/rco02115.jpg

Gladiator is mid tier

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Speed doesn't matter when you have a Mother Box What level of superspeed does a Motherbox overcome/nullify/make irrelevant?

Edit: fixed links

Originally posted by carver9
https://i.ibb.co/3y4fKypr/rco02115.jpg

That scan also says Orion uses the Astro-Harness to blast energy, and only mentions that. Does he have it here?

https://shorturl.at/guORh

https://shorturl.at/CHaGc

What about here?

https://shorturl.at/AnkQ7

https://shorturl.at/NqEiq

https://shorturl.at/ZqRrN

Or are you going to nitpick it's not a blast on that last one? And I asked for proof he lost the ability. You showed a bio that says nothing of the sort and I proved it doesn't mentions things Orion has.

Your scan don't work

Originally posted by carver9
Your scan don't work

Fixed.

Originally posted by ODG
What level of superspeed does a Motherbox overcome/nullify/make irrelevant?

Flash level speeds

Amazing.

Not only are Pre Crisis era comics allowed, so are handbooks and bios.

Truly, another amazing Carver thread.

Originally posted by carver9
https://i.ibb.co/3y4fKypr/rco02115.jpg
The bio didn't say what you claimed though.
If I use a car in order to move at great speeds, doesn't mean I can't move by myself

Originally posted by ODG
What level of superspeed does a Motherbox overcome/nullify/make irrelevant? Originally posted by Senor Cage
Flash level speeds When has a Motherbox-wielder overcome/nullified/made a Speedforce-user's speed irrelevant?

Originally posted by ODG
When has a Motherbox-wielder overcome/nullified/made a Speedforce-user's speed irrelevant?

Tony Stark only needed the MB one day in order to sense the Flash and get help from Hawkeye to KO him.

Carter, so you can't claim to miss it.

Originally posted by carver9
https://i.ibb.co/3y4fKypr/rco02115.jpg

Originally posted by Delta1938
Edit: fixed links



That scan also says Orion uses the Astro-Harness to blast energy, and only mentions that. Does he have it here?

https://shorturl.at/guORh

https://shorturl.at/CHaGc

What about here?

https://shorturl.at/AnkQ7

https://shorturl.at/NqEiq

https://shorturl.at/ZqRrN

Or are you going to nitpick it's not a blast on that last one? And I asked for proof he lost the ability. You showed a bio that says nothing of the sort and I proved it doesn't mentions things Orion has.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Carter, so you can't claim to miss it.

I remember Simonson had a Q & A on a message board I forgot, stating Orion at the point when he fought Darkseid, didn't need his astro harness. He also said the way he wanted to depict their fight, was DBZ style. That's why they were moving at super speeds.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Tony Stark only needed the MB one day in order to sense the Flash and get help from Hawkeye to KO him. I see, so you are just talking out of your a$$. Forgive me for thinking you had something constructive to provide this discussion.

You may go.

bye bye

^ See... this is the point where you've been so completely confounded that you're utterly stupified and can't even supply a retort. Not the first time for you.

Maybe you ought to stick to hyping how the DCEU is superior to the MCU commercially or critically.

Bye bye.

Ok, buddy. Let's keep this rolling

^ Keep it rollling? Unlike the DCEU, tho.

R.I.P.

How often did you slit your wrists over each of DCEU's cinematic failure?

Not enough, it seems.

A Phoenix will rise with Gunn's Superman! And begin the discussion all over again. MCU has been stinking too, which is why they dumped a load of money on Robert Downey Jr's door.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
A Phoenix will rise with Gunn's Superman! And begin the discussion all over again. MCU has been stinking too, which is why they dumped a load of money on Robert Downey Jr's door. Bruh. Neither Warner Bros., nor DC, nor James Gunn would wipe their a$$ with you. Detach your persona from them and discuss the thread topic.

You can tickle their nutz in some other thread.

You mad bro?

^ See... this is the point where you've been so completely confounded that you're utterly stupified and can't even supply a retort. Not the first time for you.

Wait...

https://hosting.photobucket.com/c2ff727d-f6c8-4ae8-b3f1-2b73f185b92b/9f921d2b-1a5e-4cf3-8071-b5819ab11663.gif

You're the one that brought up DC movies

^ You really going to pretend that your dumba$$ didn't derail threads over your DCEU bootlicking?

I was just saying that goon behavior offered more purchase than what you're displaying here, bruh.

Screeching like a Motherbox could overcome Flash superspeed. Then saying, "Ha! j/k, I lick anus!" Maybe next time, stfu.

Guys, please stop derailing.

Originally posted by ODG
^ You really going to pretend that your dumba$$ didn't derail threads over your DCEU bootlicking?

I was just saying that goon behavior offered more purchase than what you're displaying here, bruh.

Screeching like a Motherbox could overcome Flash superspeed. Then saying, "Ha! j/k, I lick anus!" Maybe next time, stfu.

Nah

Originally posted by Delta1938
Guys, please stop derailing.

Ok, ok, ok. Gladiator loses 10/10

Gladiator is as powerful as PC Superman.

Gladiator ftw

Originally posted by playa1258
Gladiator is as powerful as PC Superman.

Gladiator ftw

Lmao

Originally posted by Delta1938
Carter, so you can't claim to miss it.

Originally posted by carver9
https://i.ibb.co/3y4fKypr/rco02115.jpg

Originally posted by Delta1938
Edit: fixed links



That scan also says Orion uses the Astro-Harness to blast energy, and only mentions that. Does he have it here?

https://shorturl.at/guORh

https://shorturl.at/CHaGc

What about here?

https://shorturl.at/AnkQ7

https://shorturl.at/NqEiq

https://shorturl.at/ZqRrN

Or are you going to nitpick it's not a blast on that last one? And I asked for proof he lost the ability. You showed a bio that says nothing of the sort and I proved it doesn't mentions things Orion has.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Carter, so you can't claim to miss it.

So you have nothing proving he could fly? Lol. I can post a scan of Hulk flying in his early days. That doesn't prove he could do it now. Gladiator blitz Orion to sleep before he could even get a thought off. Also, why didn't Orion fly in his fight against Lightray?

Give me back my speed, caaarveeerr

https://i.ibb.co/MyTNzQZj/GR.jpg

Is that Gladiator best showing? What about Orion failing to break out of metal and struggling to lift something less than building size?

https://i.ibb.co/27HQnp9R/8975280-4641372437-main-qimg-dd0fb2ed0e10bef525d1c80d4dc2ffe4-lq.jpg

🤣🤣🤣

Hurry caaaarvvv

https://i.ibb.co/zhDDL4j6/9307015-speed- darkhawkdodgeshisbloodlustedbullrushatthelastsecon
d3-warofkings-ascension-4.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/JRzNLCb1/9307014-speed- darkhawkdodgeshisbloodlustedbullrushatthelastsecon
d2-warofkings-ascension-4.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
So you have nothing proving he could fly? Lol. I can post a scan of Hulk flying in his early days. That doesn't prove he could do it now. Gladiator blitz Orion to sleep before he could even get a thought off. Also, why didn't Orion fly in his fight against Lightray?

You claimed he lost it then failed to prove you. You posting a bio that doesn't include other abilities he has that I showed you doesn't prove he lost it. Plus you're arguing Gladiator's flight speed as combat speed. Why? I'm just replying to how you're arguing. I've got something else up my sleeve anyway.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that Gladiator best showing? What about Orion failing to break out of metal and struggling to lift something less than building size?

https://i.ibb.co/27HQnp9R/8975280-4641372437-main-qimg-dd0fb2ed0e10bef525d1c80d4dc2ffe4-lq.jpg

🤣🤣🤣

What does this have to do with speed?

Originally posted by Delta1938
You claimed he lost it then failed to prove you. You posting a bio that doesn't include other abilities he has that I showed you doesn't prove he lost it. Plus you're arguing Gladiator's flight speed as combat speed. Why? I'm just replying to how you're arguing. I've got something else up my sleeve anyway.



I dont care what you have up your sleeve. When he was fighting against light ray, he couldn't fly which gave LR a huge advantage in their fight.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont care what you have up your sleeve. When he was fighting against light ray, he couldn't fly which gave LR a huge advantage in their fight.

Still waiting for proof. Where did he or anyone day he lost it? That's what I asked for, you keep moving the goal post.

Originally posted by carver9
I dont care what you have up your sleeve. When he was fighting against light ray, he couldn't fly which gave LR a huge advantage in their fight.

That's like arguing Gladiator has no superspeed, otherwise he would've used it against Wolverine. It's using low showings, something you're (implicitly) laughing at Golgo for.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's like arguing Gladiator has no superspeed, otherwise he would've used it against Wolverine. It's using low showings, something you're (implicitly) laughing at Golgo for.

Im not using low showings, I'm using facts. Light ray destroyed his glider and he didn't fly throughout the entire fight. He even let LR charge up an attack and couldn't do sh** about it. Gladiator stomps by the way.

You had your chance, carverpoo

https://i.ibb.co/nN1GVGwx/NM.jpg

Originally posted by Senor Cage
You had your chance, carverpoo

https://i.ibb.co/nN1GVGwx/NM.jpg

Gladiator still speed blitz Orion to death.

Nah, Orion will be OK

Originally posted by carver9
Im not using low showings, I'm using facts. Light ray destroyed his glider and he didn't fly throughout the entire fight. He even let LR charge up an attack and couldn't do sh** about it. Gladiator stomps by the way.

And Wolverine stabbed Gladiator who couldn't do shit about it ....see your double standards and hypocrisy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Wolverine stabbed Gladiator who couldn't do shit about it ....see your double standards and hypocrisy?

So Orion not being able to fly against Lightray is a low showing? 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by carver9
So Orion not being able to fly against Lightray is a low showing? 🤣🤣🤣

Not using all their powers in a fight? Yup.

Just like Flash doesn't use all of his speed. Hulk doesn't go WBH in every fight where he gets KOd. WW doesn't bust her lasso out.

Is this your first time reading comics?

So anytime Orion loses his harness and doesn't fly afterwards which is most of the time, it's a low showing?

Originally posted by carver9
So anytime Orion loses his harness and doesn't fly afterwards which is most of the time, it's a low showing?

Is it most of the time? Show me. Don't just use old-ass handbook bios I thought you actually had something saying he couldn't fly without it.

I mean, if you don't, you don't, it's OK.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is it most of the time? Show me. Don't just use old-ass handbook bios I thought you actually had something saying he couldn't fly without it.

I mean, if you don't, you don't, it's OK.

Light ray destroys his harness and Orion doesn't fly throughout the entire fight. Even when light ray takes off, Orion doesn't use his instant flight speed (lmmfao) to fly after him. He's grounded the entire fight.


https://i.ibb.co/MDw8rC1K/B4A0Ruq.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/xqyYF78X/0fhVjCn.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/gbR0TQ3y/ydzQU8V.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/h1LhSkDc/2RCFRWe.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/d0BMhSXs/xfmLES1.jpg

Yep. So you have nothing

That's like me posting the fight between Deathstroke and WW - and seriously saying that from that entire fight, we can clearly see WW has no superstrength and no superspeed etc because she doesn't use her sunpulling strength (lmmfao) to hit him, or her Amazo blitzing strength (lmmfao) to avoid his hits.

Or to use the characters in this thread, Gladiator's extended fight against Colossus:
https://i.imgur.com/OIGeTyT.jpeg

From this, using your logic, Gladiator has no superspeed to speak of, and his strength is barely Colossus level. Otherwise he would've busted it out in his fight. No flight either, as he would've used it against Colossus, right?

Naah. Yow ass just waste time and wasn't go to accept it, no matter what I posted.

For someone that can fly, he sure does use every means possible except his own flight abilities.


https://i.ibb.co/fdKHJjQR/OWFK25m.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7xW1gQg0/KtcMfy8.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yep. So you have nothing

That's like me posting the fight between Deathstroke and WW - and seriously saying that from that entire fight, we can clearly see WW has no superstrength and no superspeed etc because she doesn't use her sunpulling strength (lmmfao) to hit him, or her Amazo blitzing strength (lmmfao) to avoid his hits.

Or to use the characters in this thread, Gladiator's extended fight against Colossus:
https://i.imgur.com/OIGeTyT.jpeg

From this, using your logic, Gladiator has no superspeed to speak of, and his strength is barely Colossus level. Otherwise he would've busted it out in his fight. No flight either, as he would've used it against Colossus, right?

Don't mention Gambit lol or Darkhawk.

Gladiator still one panel him. Orion doesn't have the speed of strength fts to be a threat to Gladiator.

Glads doesn't have the speed feats to compare to a NG.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Don't mention Gambit lol or Darkhawk.

Yeah. For a guy who supposedly has these amazing strength and speed feats, he sure finds a lot of ways to not use these abilities....

But he has used them. Let's not deny fts.

And Orion has flown without the harness. You keep saying he's lost it, and your proof isn't showing anything saying he has lost it, but that he isn't using it in specific scenes .

Imagine if Golgo came in and said current Glads has no super speed, then posts the scans he posted. That's what you're doing.

It's not my fault Orion with all of his appearances has only flown back in the day but doesn't have anything representing that after his Pre Crisis days. Gladiator doesn't get touched and stomps Orion with ease.

Originally posted by carver9
For someone that can fly, he sure does use every means possible except his own flight abilities.


https://i.ibb.co/fdKHJjQR/OWFK25m.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/7xW1gQg0/KtcMfy8.jpg

We clearly see the guy using disc's to fly. Why TF would he need this if he can fly naturally?

We clearly see Gladiator getting stabbed by Wolverine. Why TF would be get stabbed if he has superspeed?

So you don't have an answer? All you had to say.

I do, and have already given it - it's a low showing. You refuse to understand/accept it, which isn't my problem.

If you have nothing to say it was retconned away, then he still has the ability. Just because he doesn't use it doesn't mean he doesn't have it. Comic writers don't show characters using every single power they have in their appearances.

Low showing 🤣🤣. He's always using something to hover, but hey, let's call it a low showing. Why didn't you call Wolverine arm being ripped off a low showing?

Originally posted by carver9
Low showing 🤣🤣. He's always using something to hover, but hey, let's call it a low showing. Why didn't you call Wolverine arm being ripped off a low showing? because it had the EXACT same issue as in this thread (though, isn't it funny how you bring up other threads and characters when it suits you)?

My point with Logan was that the comics never said his joints had adamantium on them.

My point here is that the comics never said Orion needs the harness to fly.

See how I am consistent? If the comics don't show it, then I don't make stuff up.

Originally posted by carver9
Current Orion uses a harness to fly, lol. Doesn't count. What does it matter, when he just wills it into existence? It's an extension of him and his power.

Its about as important as debating that Odin doesn't fly and that gives Gladiator some kind of advantage.

Originally posted by Juntai
What does it matter, when he just wills it into existence? It's an extension of him and his power.

Its about as important as debating that Odin doesn't fly and that gives Gladiator some kind of advantage.

I don't have any issues with him using a harness to fly. That's not what I'm debating, and yes, I agree, he can will it into existence.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We clearly see Gladiator getting stabbed by Wolverine. Why TF would be get stabbed if he has superspeed?

Gladiator isn't a true speedster. Hes very inconsistent

Even though he has true super speed showings 🤣

Flying at mach 1 isn't super speed. Good for a Marvel feat, but really slow in the DCU.

Flying across multiple galaxies in less than a blink of an eye isn't superspeed? Lol

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Flying across multiple galaxies in less than a blink of an eye isn't superspeed? Lol

Every top tier has feats like that.

OK? So he has the feats is what I hear yall saying.

But too inconsistent. Glads has bullrushed Spidy, Darkhawk, Gambit, etc.. all have dodged him. Speed won't be an issue

Originally posted by Senor Cage
But too inconsistent. Glads has bullrushed Spidy, Darkhawk, Gambit, etc.. all have dodged him. Speed won't be an issue

What Herald ISNT inconsistent? Inconsistency only matters with you all when it benefits you're argument which makes your debating style inconsistent.

Glads is the biggest one

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
OK? So he has the feats is what I hear yall saying.

Yeah he does.

They just pale when compared to Orion's:
Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

Yes, it's old. But Carver (i.e. the OP) is allowing old-ass comics from the Pre-Crisis era, and as he confirms on this page, inconsistencies occur all the time

Sadly, Orion only use disks now. I don't think either of us are dumb enough to think Hulk and Orion could fly even though both of them have done so in the past...

https://i.ibb.co/F4sBvw69/hk03-32.jpg
image uploading website

Originally posted by carver9
Sadly, Orion only use disks now. I don't think either of us are dumb enough to think Hulk and Orion could fly even though both of them have done so in the past...


Hulk is not in this thread, keep it to the characters in your thread, please.

But have you ever actually, you know, READ that comic? Or have you, like many, just looked at them in passing?

Because the comic explicitly makes clear that his leaps are what he's doing:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKdRK3Wr/RCO007-1663977536.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/4KkfLS4p/RCO007-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cv81cSWs/RCO008-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/B8TqdBtk/RCO014-1664006306.jpg

You can even see Rick's words ('WE'RE FLYING!!!') but the narration is clear its a leap - a very powerful leap, to be sure, but a leap all the same.

But I am sure you knew that, right?

Sorry Carvy.

Now, if you had something similar to this for Orion, perhaps you might have a point? But let's keep it to the characters in the thread, save you from further embarrasment.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce. "Lowball" doesn't even begin to describe what you did there, lol. The size of the DC universe is canonically at least 200 TRILLION light years. So instead of using 46.5 billion, you actually need to use 100 trillion to get your massively disrespectful, low-end figure as intended.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm using him flying 100 times the speed of light.

So just to be clear: you are saying flying speed =fighting speed, correct?

If not, please say why you even brought it up?

Can we all agree that Orion is the better warrior/ fighter

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So just to be clear: you are saying flying speed =fighting speed, correct?

If not, please say why you even brought it up?

He has the hand speed as well. You should go back and look at his Hyperion fight.

Originally posted by Facee
Can we all agree that Orion is the better warrior/ fighter

I agree. Sadly he cant keep up with Gladiator who would blitz him to death as soon as the fight starts.

Originally posted by carver9
He has the hand speed as well. You should go back and look at his Hyperion fight.

But why bring up flight speed at all? Is this a race?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk is not in this thread, keep it to the characters in your thread, please.

But have you ever actually, you know, READ that comic? Or have you, like many, just looked at them in passing?

Because the comic explicitly makes clear that his leaps are what he's doing:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKdRK3Wr/RCO007-1663977536.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/4KkfLS4p/RCO007-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cv81cSWs/RCO008-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/B8TqdBtk/RCO014-1664006306.jpg

You can even see Rick's words ('WE'RE FLYING!!!') but the narration is clear its a leap - a very powerful leap, to be sure, but a leap all the same.

But I am sure you knew that, right?

Sorry Carvy.

Now, if you had something similar to this for Orion, perhaps you might have a point? But let's keep it to the characters in the thread, save you from further embarrasment. lmao

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk is not in this thread, keep it to the characters in your thread, please.

But have you ever actually, you know, READ that comic? Or have you, like many, just looked at them in passing?

Because the comic explicitly makes clear that his leaps are what he's doing:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKdRK3Wr/RCO007-1663977536.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/4KkfLS4p/RCO007-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cv81cSWs/RCO008-1663977536.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/B8TqdBtk/RCO014-1664006306.jpg

You can even see Rick's words ('WE'RE FLYING!!!') but the narration is clear its a leap - a very powerful leap, to be sure, but a leap all the same.

But I am sure you knew that, right?

Sorry Carvy.

Now, if you had something similar to this for Orion, perhaps you might have a point? But let's keep it to the characters in the thread, save you from further embarrasment.

The scan i posted literally has him turning in the air, lmmfao. What kind of jump allows people to maneuver in the air? Educate me.

Yep, it's artistic licence, the narration clearly states he's leaping. As to why the art looks like that, ask Kirby lol. But the words are super clear.

We are not going to throw this off as an artist error. Again, he's turning and maneuvering in the air. Explain how he's doing that. The scan even say he is flying.

PEOPLE are saying he's flying.

Narration in the same comics show how it only appears like he's flying, but in actual fact he's leaping. See Rick Jones' words.

Kirby wanted Hulk to fly and drew him as such, but Stan Lee overruled him. That's why in later issues Kirby draws him 'properly'.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah he does.

They just pale when compared to Orion's:


Yes, it's old. But Carver (i.e. the OP) is allowing old-ass comics from the Pre-Crisis era, and as he confirms on this page, inconsistencies occur all the time

Wouldn't the totality of Orion's feats apply to him anyway? Meaning, aren't they all canon?

You'd think so, but Carver is arguing that it was retconned away (but offers..... nothing in the way of actual proof).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
PEOPLE are saying he's flying.

Narration in the same comics show how it only appears like he's flying, but in actual fact he's leaping. See Rick Jones' words.

Kirby wanted Hulk to fly and drew him as such, but Stan Lee overruled him. That's why in later issues Kirby draws him 'properly'.

No one would think he is flying unless, he is actually flying and again, he's literally maneuvering in the sky. There's no other way to explain that minus him flying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You'd think so, but Carver is arguing that it was retconned away (but offers..... nothing in the way of actual proof).

Him needing disks to fly is proof. If he didn't need them, he wouldn't use them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But why bring up flight speed at all? Is this a race?

Im bringing up flight speed because he has super speed overall, so why not? He was also able to punch someone while crossing a Galaxy at eye blinking speeds.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You'd think so, but Carver is arguing that it was retconned away (but offers..... nothing in the way of actual proof).

Lol. Got it.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree. Sadly he cant keep up with Gladiator who would blitz him to death as soon as the fight starts.

There's literally nothing in either one of these characters' history that would suggest this is a probable outcome.

Originally posted by batdude123
There's literally nothing in either one of these characters' history that would suggest this is a probable outcome.

Does Orion have any speed fts that suggests he could touch Gladiator?

Will yall chill with all of this who can hit who nonsense. We all know if these two faced off in a comic they would be able to hit each other just fine.

They both can move ftl, they are both speedsters. All that combat speed vs travel speed is just plain silly imo. If they can react to crap coming at them ftl while they fly then they can react to a punch.

Anyway, Orion has more powers, and seems to use them better.

Dark, can you please quote the full capacity rule for him that you tend to post in most threads

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Will yall chill with all of this who can hit who nonsense. We all know if these two faced off in a comic they would be able to hit each other just fine.

They both can move ftl, they are both speedsters. All that combat speed vs travel speed is just plain silly imo. If they can react to crap coming at them ftl while they fly then they can react to a punch.

Anyway, Orion has more powers, and seems to use them better.



The thing is, people need to realise WHO it was who made the thread. Carver is salty, so salty, because of a thread a month or so back where he had no choice but to admit that based on powers, Hulk would never touch Superman due to Superman's speed.

From that, he's been spiralling ever since. Hence the Zod Vs WW thread, or the Darkseid Vs Wraith thread, or this thread. It's been going on for quite a few weeks now.

He's just trying to make a point, but he's doing it so badly, plus it's a shitty point to start with...

Originally posted by carver9
Dark, can you please quote the full capacity rule for him that you tend to post in most threads

Originally posted by carver9
No one would think he is flying unless, he is actually flying and again, he's literally maneuvering in the sky. There's no other way to explain that minus him flying.

I thought you didn't use character statements?

Which do you use here:

https://i.postimg.cc/mrqt1d4L/RCO014-1664006306.jpg

Lemme know. Rick thinks he's flying. Is he flying? If not, then your entire point falls over lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
Him needing disks to fly is proof. If he didn't need them, he wouldn't use them.

Inconsistencies exist. This you?
Originally posted by carver9
What Herald ISNT inconsistent? Inconsistency only matters with you all when it benefits you're argument which makes your debating style inconsistent.

Orion doesn't need discs to fly in the scan Delta posted, which is the important scan.

Originally posted by carver9
Im bringing up flight speed because he has super speed overall, so why not? He was also able to punch someone while crossing a Galaxy at eye blinking speeds.
So you bring up useless scans. Gotcha. Also, to parrot your Flash arguments, when he crossed the galaxy at god-blinking speeds - did he actually KO anyone?

Originally posted by carver9
Dark, can you please quote the full capacity rule for him that you tend to post in most threads

Sure.

Since Orion has been shown to possess such speed:


Orion uses his speed and Gladiator gets thrashed.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Lowball" doesn't even begin to describe what you did there, lol. The size of the DC universe is canonically at least 200 TRILLION light years. So instead of using 46.5 billion, you actually need to use 100 trillion to get your massively disrespectful, low-end figure as intended.

Thanks Galan.

Originally posted by carver9
Does Orion have any speed fts that suggests he could touch Gladiator?

I'm curious what's happened more often - Gladiator getting tagged by someone slower than Orion, or Gladiator killing someone on Orion's level as soon as the fight starts.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm curious what's happened more often - Gladiator getting tagged by someone slower than Orion, or Gladiator killing someone on Orion's level as soon as the fight starts.

Lmmfao... this is a full capacity fight. Gladiator is far faster than Orion. That's how my scenario is legitimate

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought you didn't use character statements?

Which do you use here:

https://i.postimg.cc/mrqt1d4L/RCO014-1664006306.jpg

Lemme know. Rick thinks he's flying. Is he flying? If not, then your entire point falls over lmao.



Inconsistencies exist. This you?


Orion doesn't need discs to fly in the scan Delta posted, which is the important scan.


So you bring up useless scans. Gotcha. Also, to parrot your Flash arguments, when he crossed the galaxy at god-blinking speeds - did he actually KO anyone?



Sure.

Since Orion has been shown to possess such speed:


Orion uses his speed and Gladiator gets thrashed.



Thanks Galan.

Orion cant fly, so no, he ain't blitzing anyone.

Originally posted by carver9
Lmmfao... this is a full capacity fight. Gladiator is far faster than Orion. That's how my scenario is legitimate

Full-capacity Orion has a long history of tagging characters like Superman, Lightray, Darkseid, etc. Gladiator has zero instances of him killing someone on Orion's level in an instant. Your scenario is not legitimate.

Originally posted by batdude123
Full-capacity Orion has a long history of tagging characters like Superman, Lightray, Darkseid, etc. Gladiator has zero instances of him killing someone on Orion's level in an instant. Your scenario is not legitimate.

Tagging a character isn't a display of speed unless you plan on giving that to everyone. Orion doesn't have the fts proving he could even react to Gladiator during the onset of the fight. He would be koed by the time he even realized what was going on.

Originally posted by carver9
Tagging a character isn't a display of speed unless you plan on giving that to everyone. Orion doesn't have the fts proving he could even react to Gladiator during the onset of the fight. He would be koed by the time he even realized what was going on.

If we're going off of actual evidence instead of carver's delusions...

Orion has the ability to hit Gladiator.

Gladiator does not have the ability to KO Orion instantly.

As people have demonstrated with on-panel feats, it's even debatable that Gladiator is faster.

Originally posted by batdude123
If we're going off of actual evidence instead of carver's delusions...

Orion has the ability to hit Gladiator.

Gladiator does not have the ability to KO Orion instantly.

As people have demonstrated with on-panel feats, it's even debatable that Gladiator is faster.

If we go by on panel evidence, Orion doesn't have the speed fts.

Why couldn't Gladiator ko someone he's significantly faster than?

It's not debatable if Gladiator is faster or not. One has speed fts, the other doesn't.

Originally posted by carver9
If we go by on panel evidence, Orion doesn't have the speed fts.

Why couldn't Gladiator ko someone he's significantly faster than?

It's not debatable if Gladiator is faster or not. One has speed fts, the other doesn't.

Gladiator has a combat speed feat of fighting Hyperion, where he throws a punch in a nanosecond.

Does he have any other quantifiable combat speed feats with a clear lower bound? Or are you basing his speed advantage just off that one feat?

Orion has a blind millisecond reaction feat in which he responds without seeing the attack coming. It's reasonable to assume his reactions are even faster when he sees the attack coming.

Originally posted by carver9
If we go by on panel evidence, Orion doesn't have the speed fts.

Why couldn't Gladiator ko someone he's significantly faster than?

It's not debatable if Gladiator is faster or not. One has speed fts, the other doesn't.

So Orion keeping up with, and actually gaining on Black Racer doesn't count as a speed feat?

https://imgur.com/odQPRKY

It's by no means clear Gladiator is faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gladiator has a combat speed feat of fighting Hyperion, where he throws a punch in a nanosecond.

Does he have any other quantifiable combat speed feats with a clear lower bound? Or are you basing his speed advantage just off that one feat?

Orion has a blind millisecond reaction feat in which he responds without seeing the attack coming. It's reasonable to assume his reactions are even faster when he sees the attack coming.

*microsecond

Originally posted by carver9
Orion cant fly, so no, he ain't blitzing anyone.

He's flying here:

Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion flies from New Genesis to Earth in less than a heartbeat.

https://i.imgur.com/FKOH2bQ.jpeg

Even if I ridiculously lowball it to just half the size of the universe, which which is 93 billion light-years(so 46.5 lightyears)--

https://www.britannica.com/topic/observable-universe

And lowball the time frame to the low end heart beat of a top condition athlete (40 beats per minute, so let's do 2 seconds since Orion took less than that)--

https://www.forbes.com/health/wellness/normal-heart-rate-by-age/

That's roughly 220 septillion times lightspeed. So so even with this ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE DISRESPECT to Orion's feat, it's still over 7 quadrillion times faster than Gladiator flying at 100 times lightspeed.

And still, 200 lightyears in minutes compared to the massive disrespect of 46.5 billion loghtyears in 2 seconds? Yeah, still weak sauce.

No mention of leaping in that comic (lol).

Yeah, Orion used to fly around all the time without his harness in the "Return of the New Gods" days... So unless that one specific era of his history became non-canon all of the sudden and I just never got the memo, then I see no reason why it wouldn't still be valid? The pre-crisis aspect of the feat doesn't really matter, since post-crisis Orion himself explicitly retained full working knowledge of pre-crisis continuity(as did most of the New Gods.)

After all, Darkseid and Highfather can also fly unaided, but like Orion, they generally choose not to.

Originally posted by batdude123
So Orion keeping up with, and actually gaining on Black Racer doesn't count as a speed feat?

https://imgur.com/odQPRKY

It's by no means clear Gladiator is faster.

On his disks. Gotcha. All you're doing is helping my argument.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, Orion used to fly around all the time without his harness in the "Return of the New Gods" days... So unless that one specific era of his history became non-canon all of the sudden and I just never got the memo, then I see no reason why it wouldn't still be valid? The pre-crisis aspect of the feat doesn't really matter, since post-crisis Orion himself explicitly retained full working knowledge of pre-crisis continuity(as did most of the New Gods.)

After all, Darkseid and Highfather can also fly unaided, but like Orion, they generally choose not to.

but guess this willjust be ignored by OP...

Originally posted by carver9
The scan i posted literally has him turning in the air, lmmfao. What kind of jump allows people to maneuver in the air? Educate me.
Originally posted by carver9
No one would think he is flying unless, he is actually flying and again, he's literally maneuvering in the sky. There's no other way to explain that minus him flying.

No other explanation...apart from what is given in the comic, amirite? Below, you can clearly see him maneuvering in the sky lol:

https://i.postimg.cc/0yzjqFFk/Leaping.png

And again, he's even chasing a jeep down lmao, changing direction, following trails etc. Yet, the narration text clearly says:

https://i.postimg.cc/4xjd4wRz/Leaping2.png

He's leaping. Artist decided for whatever reason to draw him like that, but the text is crystal clear. Of course, you'd have known this had you, you know, READ the comics.

The Incredible Hulk (1962) #3 and #4, for those interested. Comic hosting sites once more prove how forum myths can be easily shattered by anyone.

Originally posted by carver9
Sadly, Orion only use disks now. I don't think either of us are dumb enough to think Hulk and Orion could fly even though both of them have done so in the past...


You're right, I am now not dumb enough to think Hulk EVER flew. You, on the other hand....

Originally posted by carver9
On his disks. Gotcha. All you're doing is helping my argument.

... by providing speed feats when you said he has none? Ok?

It's also been explained to you by multiple posters that ALL of Orion's history is, in fact, canon. You've given ZERO justification or evidence to the contrary, aside from simply not liking it.

Anyway, Orion stomps.