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the version of Darkseid that created the absolute universe

vs

full power Phoenix Force

darkseid.

The full Phoenix Force is beyond Darkseid.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The full Phoenix Force is beyond Darkseid.
Is it now?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is it now?

Indeed

Phoenix Force.

Phoenix Force

Darkseid

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Darkseid

Based on which feats out of interest or is this an auto response for your preferred comic company?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Indeed
Based on what? Darkseid is an omniversal constant who opposes the growth of all realities in the infinite multiverseS.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on what? Darkseid is an omniversal constant who opposes the growth of all realities in the infinite multiverseS.

You got any scans that actually state that?

I just want to distinguish explicit canonical fact from interpretation.

As for what I'm basing my assertions on, it's stated that the Phoenix is the primal source of Marvel creativity. It makes all that can be made and it determines what can be made. (Immortal Xmen 18)

It is in a tree of life inspired configuration with TOAA, where it transmutes TOAAs ideas from the metaphysical to the physical. (Defenders Beyond 3, Immortal Xmen 17, Jean Grey 2023 issue 4) Hence the Big Bang being an emanation (not the sum) of the Phoenix Force. (Avengers 2018 issue 43, Phoenix 2024 issue 8)

Bro where is all of this attitude coming from? Stop being such an angry guy and just exchange facts and opinions and engage in civil discussion about this medium we love. Its so weird.

Youre out here asserting what ive stated is fanboy interpretation when my points are actually stated explicitly on panel and corroborated by writer interview.

The WHR is the Phoenixs true form where its power is centred:

https://imgur.com/QZpvWBT

https://imgur.com/PnNf8y1

The WHR is in a Kaballah inspired tree of life configuration with the House of Ideas:

https://imgur.com/TOI3h4S

https://imgur.com/jQg79cN

https://imgur.com/2euxa2w

House of Ideas is Keter:

https://imgur.com/BLt9UrF

WHR is Tiphereth:

https://imgur.com/gl47cbU

https://imgur.com/3Y7O3Dw

House of Ideas like its real world inspiration is about immaterial portent, meaning and idea:

https://imgur.com/SMSylUE

https://imgur.com/1YESSyV

White Hot Room is where idea becomes flesh:

https://imgur.com/yb0RVvA

https://imgur.com/PMsdiSH

The start of Marvel creativity where all thats created derives from and it determines what can be created

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You got any scans that actually state that?

I just want to distinguish explicit canonical fact from interpretation.

Lol, lmao even.

Again, pure gibberish. Bring some feats.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro where is all of this attitude coming from? Stop being such an angry guy and just exchange facts and opinions and engage in civil discussion about this medium we love. Its so weird.

Youre out here asserting what ive stated is fanboy interpretation when my points are actually stated explicitly on panel and corroborated by writer interview.

The WHR is the Phoenixs true form where its power is centred:

https://imgur.com/QZpvWBT

https://imgur.com/PnNf8y1

The WHR is in a Kaballah inspired tree of life configuration with the House of Ideas:

https://imgur.com/TOI3h4S

https://imgur.com/jQg79cN

https://imgur.com/2euxa2w

House of Ideas is Keter:

https://imgur.com/BLt9UrF

WHR is Tiphereth:

https://imgur.com/gl47cbU

https://imgur.com/3Y7O3Dw Originally posted by GalacticStorm
House of Ideas like its real world inspiration is about immaterial portent, meaning and idea:

https://imgur.com/SMSylUE

https://imgur.com/1YESSyV

White Hot Room is where idea becomes flesh:

https://imgur.com/yb0RVvA

https://imgur.com/PMsdiSH

The start of Marvel creativity where all thats created derives from and it determines what can be created

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko
This isn't comicvine, honey. Try this gibberish there.

Unfortunately for you, canonical evidence trumps empty dismissals. When you are able to present current continuity Marvel evidence that retcons what I've shown then we can talk.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Unfortunately for you, canonical evidence trumps empty dismissals. When you are able to present current continuity Marvel evidence that retcons what I've shown then we can talk.
What's there to even dismiss? Lots of flowery language with virtually nothing to back it up?

Where are the feats of this supposed omnipotent phoenix?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What's there to even dismiss? Lots of flowery language with virtually nothing to back it up?

Where are the feats of this supposed omnipotent phoenix?

The feats are it made and sustains creation and retains the ability to infinitely create.

What are All in Darkseids feats that places him above Marvels equivalent of the Source?

A scan talking about his role? How hypocritical lol

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The feats are it made and sustains creation and retains the ability to infinitely create.

Never actually shown.

Marvel's equivalent of Tiger God in its own place of power. A minor deity of Earth lmao.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never actually shown.

Marvel's equivalent of Tiger God in its own place of power. A minor deity of Earth lmao.

The Big Bang event has been shown many a time in Marvel comics and latest continuity tells us it's an emanation of the Phoenix Force

There's a difference between what's canon and what your bias and pride allow you to accept.

Before said incident Tiger God was elevated in the hierarchy to the point where he could defeat LT equivalent entities.

Phoenix defeated the Tiger God

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Big Bang event has been shown many a time in Marvel comics and latest continuity tells us it's an emanation of the Phoenix Force

It isn't. Phoenix was created by Big Bang.

Proof of the elevation of the Tiger God except the circular logic?

Wow, Phoenix defeated a minor Earth deity who was defeated in combat by Black Panther.

This was the latest version of the big bang in marvel universe, printed in Jan 2025.

Originally posted by Galan007
Doom and Rocket witness the birth of the universe:
https://i.ibb.co/LCFD5f1/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00025.jpg https://i.ibb.co/CQRSMLF/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00027.jpg https://i.ibb.co/nbXmDYk/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00028.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Lkz9bqy/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00029.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LxNndgK/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00030.jpg https://i.ibb.co/4jRs2Jh/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00031.jpg https://i.ibb.co/tKWTGtT/Doctor-Doom-Rocket-Raccoon-001-2025-Digital-Shan-Empire-00032.jpg

Not even an allusion of phoenix force.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It isn't. Phoenix was created by Big Bang.

Thats old continuity that youre disingenuously clinging on to out of pride and spite lol

2005:

https://imgur.com/gvJ24JU

2021:

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

2023:

https://imgur.com/ZE4wXc9

4 weeks ago:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

Present current continuity scans thats retcon this or accept canon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof of the elevation of the Tiger God except the circular logic?

Wow, Phoenix defeated a minor Earth deity who was defeated in combat by Black Panther.

Tiger God being able to defeat an entity shown casually dispatching an entire Celestial host with a thought and then later being stated to be an oppositional force of an entity stated to be the source of Marvel creativity is evidence of an elevation of status.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This was the latest version of the big bang in marvel universe, printed in Jan 2025.



Not even an allusion of phoenix force.

Heres confirmation from Phoenix 8 released last month

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

A scan would have to attribute the Big Bang to another entity to constitute a retcon. Not simply not mention Phoenix when its established its the energies of creation already. Disingenuous

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats old continuity that youre disingenuously clinging on to out of pride and spite lol

2005:

https://imgur.com/gvJ24JU

2021:

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

2023:

https://imgur.com/ZE4wXc9

4 weeks ago:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

Present current continuity scans thats retcon this or accept canon.

None of the scans confirm phoenix created big bang, just it created stars or life.

No, it's not. Black Panther defeated it in combat in the very same issue.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Heres confirmation from Phoenix 8 released last month

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

A scan would have to attribute the Big Bang to another entity to constitute a retcon. Not simply not mention Phoenix when its established its the energies of creation already. Disingenuous
All life created, not big bang.. And no reason to crop the scan, the full scan shows the phoenix is just a thought, a yearning of the universe.

https://i.ibb.co/V0gkZfBX/AP1-Gcz-P7ls-HLZZXkm-NEabcg-EJBwjw3vr-SJ3ez-Pq-Zf9o3-Dgcn-N7-Wtc5-3cj-ODi-U92cu-CWj-Gzm7p13-K-a-Ysei.jpg

It's not the creator of the universe, it's merely a function of the universe.

Tiger God was elevated to the level of abstracts after getting conquered by Black Panther.

https://i.ibb.co/TqNjtxmM/Up-Khymo-Kkb-Yygy-WBBDTx-UGOO2-QHOl-Em5326-R7r64o1-Bux-JKQFUgk-B2-Z8onvys5-Kyw-AEIAg-Bosks95b-Ws2f1t.jpg

Makes sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
None of the scans confirm phoenix created big bang, just it created stars or life.

This scan explicitly states life comes from its flames:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

That the Big Bang is its energies:

https://imgur.com/gvJ24JU

That all things were made from the fire of the Phoenix:

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

That from fire the Phoenix made all that is:

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

That the White Hot Room is the starting point of Marvel creativity:

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko

Its conclusive and the discussion on this particular point is over. Unless you post a retcon then we have nothing further to discuss.


Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it's not. Black Panther defeated it in combat in the very same issue.

A test of Black Panthers will and resolve. Not an out and out battle of power. Dont be so disingenuous lol. BPs a street leveller

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This scan explicitly states life comes from its flames:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

That the Big Bang is its energies:

https://imgur.com/gvJ24JU

That all things were made from the fire of the Phoenix:

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

That from fire the Phoenix made all that is:

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

That the White Hot Room is the starting point of Marvel creativity:

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko

Its conclusive and the discussion on this particular point is over. Unless you post a retcon then we have nothing further to discuss.




A test of Black Panthers will and resolve. Not an out and out battle of power. Dont be so disingenuous lol. BPs a street leveller
Posting scans from literally several different comics and treating it like one story, no wonder you're confused.

As per Phoenix 8, as you posted yourself, Phoenix is yearning of the universe, not it's creator. You played yourself lol.

Where's it stated that it was a test of Black Panthers will and resolve?

Originally posted by abhilegend
All life created, not big bang.. And no reason to crop the scan, the full scan shows the phoenix is just a thought, a yearning of the universe.

https://i.ibb.co/V0gkZfBX/AP1-Gcz-P7ls-HLZZXkm-NEabcg-EJBwjw3vr-SJ3ez-Pq-Zf9o3-Dgcn-N7-Wtc5-3cj-ODi-U92cu-CWj-Gzm7p13-K-a-Ysei.jpg

It's not the creator of the universe, it's merely a function of the universe.

Stephanie states in her series that the Phoenix is creation. It is the substance of the universe which means as a fragment of the Phoenix Force, theres a part of Jean in every component of reality:

https://imgur.com/d4SiX3c

So having established the wider Phoenix Force IS creation, what that scene shows is that the Phoenix's initial manifestation of a flickering spark represented its yearning to bring about life, with it being confirmed all life derives from its flames.

https://imgur.com/zndUBjA

It is explicitly highlighted as the wellspring. The source

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stephanie states in her series that the Phoenix is creation. It is the substance of the universe which means as a fragment of the Phoenix Force, theres a part of Jean in every component of reality:

https://imgur.com/d4SiX3c

So having established the wider Phoenix Force IS creation, what that scene shows is that the Phoenix's initial manifestation of a flickering spark represented its yearning to bring about life, with it being confirmed all life derives from its flames.

https://imgur.com/zndUBjA

It is explicitly highlighted as the wellspring. The source
Phoenix is a part of the creation, it's not creation itself by your own scans.

Can you read or not? It's getting embarrassing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Posting scans from literally several different comics and treating it like one story, no wonder you're confused.

Multiple different scans stating the same thing, thus establishing the characteristic is firmly rooted in continuity by writer consensus.

You have zero conclusive evidence that that is not the case. We're done

Originally posted by abhilegend
As per Phoenix 8, as you posted yourself, Phoenix is yearning of the universe, not it's creator. You played yourself lol.

Neither the physical universe or Eternity the embodiment exist until after the Big Bang event occurs.

https://imgur.com/XcNuYWV

So who do you think that yearnings coming from in a series where the writer highlights the Phoenix IS creation?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where's it stated that it was a test of Black Panthers will and resolve?

Where was the confrontation shown on panel that allows you to assert as fact that BP beat Tiger God through outright power? We didnt see what happened. All we know is there was a confrontation following which Tiger God decided to support BP.

Its a case of applying some integrity and common sense to interpretations. BP is a street leveller.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Phoenix is a part of the creation, it's not creation itself by your own scans.

Can you read or not? It's getting embarrassing.

Im gonna need you to read my posts and the comics properly.

Eternity is referring to Jean Phoenix specifically. Jean is a leading component of the Phoenix. So theres a part of her in every element of creation. Whereas creation itself as stated derives from the Phoenix's flames:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Multiple different scans stating the same thing, thus establishing the characteristic is firmly rooted in continuity by writer consensus.

You have zero conclusive evidence that that is not the case. We're done

Of course we are done, you're an idiot who thinks he's smart.

This is from History of the Marvel universe 1, where it's clearly stated that the big bang had nothing to do with the phoenix force.

https://i.ibb.co/PqCB5H9/tdv-Xn2-AI6fl9-B13-Vlhua881qdi-Am-Wa-Nx-Nsnlk-YJIDOQt98e-J64-Kwm-TA5ax-Sgr6w-Re65hn4df-Yrt-amc3jd-De.jpg

You can fool retards over at comicvine with this nonsense.

Where is it stated that it was a test of will and resolve? Panther conquered Tiger God, you don't conquer a test, you ****ing retard.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im gonna need you to read my posts and the comics properly.

Eternity is referring to Jean Phoenix specifically. Jean is a leading component of the Phoenix. So theres a part of her in every element of creation. Whereas creation itself as stated derives from the Phoenix's flames:

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz



Life emerged from phoenix, most of the universe is inert matter which didn't emerge from it. Can you read or not, retard?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tiger God was elevated to the level of abstracts after getting conquered by Black Panther.

https://i.ibb.co/TqNjtxmM/Up-Khymo-Kkb-Yygy-WBBDTx-UGOO2-QHOl-Em5326-R7r64o1-Bux-JKQFUgk-B2-Z8onvys5-Kyw-AEIAg-Bosks95b-Ws2f1t.jpg

Makes sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course we are done, you're an idiot who thinks he's smart.

This is from History of the Marvel universe 1, where it's clearly stated that the big bang had nothing to do with the phoenix force.

https://i.ibb.co/PqCB5H9/tdv-Xn2-AI6fl9-B13-Vlhua881qdi-Am-Wa-Nx-Nsnlk-YJIDOQt98e-J64-Kwm-TA5ax-Sgr6w-Re65hn4df-Yrt-amc3jd-De.jpg

History of the Marvel Universe issue 1 is from 2019 and doesnt account for the consensus writers have reached regarding the Phoenix as ive shown through numerous scans stating creation/all that is derives from it power.

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

My point stands

You dont get to write off explicit evidence because it suits you lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is it stated that it was a test of will and resolve? Panther conquered Tiger God, you don't conquer a test, you ****ing retard.

Please show where the specifics and nature of the contest were defined? To conquer is successfully overcome an obstacle or problem. The use of that word doesnt give you anything conclusive to assert your takes a fact.

Once again....you tried it

Even your "creation starts here" scan is out of context as Mother Righteous fails to become a dominion even after sacrificing Phoenix Force.

https://i.ibb.co/gLF2vpFx/ABLVV86u1-Njn-JG8-FAwab-X56n-QWeg0sohtf-Q2-Hk-JQQZs-O-cbwme0-ISh5-MRWG6ah-Ds4-Uk0g1-ZEPRQx-KVk-Bt-E0.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5gqHwM4H/ABLVV859-YVM5-U3-FC0b2-TUEb-WDh-I-g-OE7r8w-LP7-Ogv05-X-7o7xj-Mnc-BVIgo-M8-EW8-CZEZe-Oergkixg-Lr-I0-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WNsGBpMr/ABLVV84-ADFy-FFozebb-Yy88-Vq-XYSd8-BTz1-Ve7-COGTBt9bmkr0-Ag-Ole-Mu7v6b-Bq-S1-o-EEBEibpb-IRTgk5-UIi8.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HL4FSBkz/ABLVV85fk-LA0-XTo-LM6y-JAowgu-S6q-HPz-P-R5-YHY8u-W6-CUxirds0nb2-Ai-Di9-Dv-PHLAxkja35i-Zuj24zh-CNGPu.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KHZ2jKY/ABLVV87yt-Dhkp-TNwxf-Zsx-m-TYk-l-WMFlxog-Ze-TAOr-CIb5yw-Sd-K2pri-EIpsuog-F3-Zo-Jk-X39owk-E0-XHRZQ-Ax.jpg

Enigma really was more powerful than Phoenix Force lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Life emerged from phoenix, most of the universe is inert matter which didn't emerge from it. Can you read or not, retard?

Except for the fact that its referring to the universal life cycle itself, a common Phoenix theme which this iterates on:

https://imgur.com/zndUBjA

https://imgur.com/rdjRLmY

https://imgur.com/C9ncs15

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
History of the Marvel Universe issue 1 is from 2019 and doesnt account for the consensus writers have reached regarding the Phoenix as ive shown through numerous scans stating creation/all that is derives from it power.

https://imgur.com/vsv6HGz

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

My point stands

So History of Marvel universe is canon when it suits you and non canon when it does not?

As far as font of creation goes, it failed spectacularly in making Mother Righteous a dominion, wouldn't you say?

https://i.ibb.co/gLF2vpFx/ABLVV86u1-Njn-JG8-FAwab-X56n-QWeg0sohtf-Q2-Hk-JQQZs-O-cbwme0-ISh5-MRWG6ah-Ds4-Uk0g1-ZEPRQx-KVk-Bt-E0.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5gqHwM4H/ABLVV859-YVM5-U3-FC0b2-TUEb-WDh-I-g-OE7r8w-LP7-Ogv05-X-7o7xj-Mnc-BVIgo-M8-EW8-CZEZe-Oergkixg-Lr-I0-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WNsGBpMr/ABLVV84-ADFy-FFozebb-Yy88-Vq-XYSd8-BTz1-Ve7-COGTBt9bmkr0-Ag-Ole-Mu7v6b-Bq-S1-o-EEBEibpb-IRTgk5-UIi8.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HL4FSBkz/ABLVV85fk-LA0-XTo-LM6y-JAowgu-S6q-HPz-P-R5-YHY8u-W6-CUxirds0nb2-Ai-Di9-Dv-PHLAxkja35i-Zuj24zh-CNGPu.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KHZ2jKY/ABLVV87yt-Dhkp-TNwxf-Zsx-m-TYk-l-WMFlxog-Ze-TAOr-CIb5yw-Sd-K2pri-EIpsuog-F3-Zo-Jk-X39owk-E0-XHRZQ-Ax.jpg

You don't get to pick and choose from different stories what you want and discard what you don't.



Yes, Panther overcame Tiger God, you said yourself. It wasn't a test.

Lol, you're a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Except for the fact that its referring to the universal life cycle itself, a common Phoenix theme which this iterates on:

https://imgur.com/zndUBjA

https://imgur.com/rdjRLmY

https://imgur.com/C9ncs15
Your scan says life, not the universe itself, you retard. Learn to read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even your "creation starts here" scan is out of context as Mother Righteous fails to become a dominion even after sacrificing Phoenix Force.

https://i.ibb.co/gLF2vpFx/ABLVV86u1-Njn-JG8-FAwab-X56n-QWeg0sohtf-Q2-Hk-JQQZs-O-cbwme0-ISh5-MRWG6ah-Ds4-Uk0g1-ZEPRQx-KVk-Bt-E0.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5gqHwM4H/ABLVV859-YVM5-U3-FC0b2-TUEb-WDh-I-g-OE7r8w-LP7-Ogv05-X-7o7xj-Mnc-BVIgo-M8-EW8-CZEZe-Oergkixg-Lr-I0-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WNsGBpMr/ABLVV84-ADFy-FFozebb-Yy88-Vq-XYSd8-BTz1-Ve7-COGTBt9bmkr0-Ag-Ole-Mu7v6b-Bq-S1-o-EEBEibpb-IRTgk5-UIi8.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HL4FSBkz/ABLVV85fk-LA0-XTo-LM6y-JAowgu-S6q-HPz-P-R5-YHY8u-W6-CUxirds0nb2-Ai-Di9-Dv-PHLAxkja35i-Zuj24zh-CNGPu.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KHZ2jKY/ABLVV87yt-Dhkp-TNwxf-Zsx-m-TYk-l-WMFlxog-Ze-TAOr-CIb5yw-Sd-K2pri-EIpsuog-F3-Zo-Jk-X39owk-E0-XHRZQ-Ax.jpg

Enigma really was more powerful than Phoenix Force lol.

Mother Righteous was sufficiently empowered to become a Dominion and as she was ascending her power was immediately leeched by Enigma as she was already synced with him unbeknownst to her.

https://imgur.com/i8DyzKZ

The fact that Enigma was then switched online illustrates WHR gave Mother R the power she asked for.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So History of Marvel universe is canon when it suits you and non canon when it does not?

History of the Marvel Universe documents a whole range of different stories and canonical elements. Some elements have since been effected by retcons due to stories post 2019 affecting them, whilst some elements which havent been touched on by subsequent stories would remain unaffected. Simple concept

Originally posted by abhilegend
As far as font of creation goes, it failed spectacularly in making Mother Righteous a dominion, wouldn't you say?

https://i.ibb.co/gLF2vpFx/ABLVV86u1-Njn-JG8-FAwab-X56n-QWeg0sohtf-Q2-Hk-JQQZs-O-cbwme0-ISh5-MRWG6ah-Ds4-Uk0g1-ZEPRQx-KVk-Bt-E0.jpg https://i.ibb.co/5gqHwM4H/ABLVV859-YVM5-U3-FC0b2-TUEb-WDh-I-g-OE7r8w-LP7-Ogv05-X-7o7xj-Mnc-BVIgo-M8-EW8-CZEZe-Oergkixg-Lr-I0-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WNsGBpMr/ABLVV84-ADFy-FFozebb-Yy88-Vq-XYSd8-BTz1-Ve7-COGTBt9bmkr0-Ag-Ole-Mu7v6b-Bq-S1-o-EEBEibpb-IRTgk5-UIi8.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HL4FSBkz/ABLVV85fk-LA0-XTo-LM6y-JAowgu-S6q-HPz-P-R5-YHY8u-W6-CUxirds0nb2-Ai-Di9-Dv-PHLAxkja35i-Zuj24zh-CNGPu.jpg https://i.ibb.co/KHZ2jKY/ABLVV87yt-Dhkp-TNwxf-Zsx-m-TYk-l-WMFlxog-Ze-TAOr-CIb5yw-Sd-K2pri-EIpsuog-F3-Zo-Jk-X39owk-E0-XHRZQ-Ax.jpg

You don't get to pick and choose from different stories what you want and discard what you don't.

Except for the fact that the WHR did sufficiently empower her to become a Dominion. Hence Enigma being able to turn online. The WHR did its job hence Enigma being able to take advantage of the influx of power unbeknownst to Mother R

https://imgur.com/i8DyzKZ



Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, Panther overcame Tiger God, you said yourself. It wasn't a test.

Lol, you're a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

You dont have the evidence to punish me. Im too well supported in canon.

What you do is dismiss explicit evidence whilst turning to disingenuity when it comes to your own takes.

Black Panther overcame Tiger God under unknown parameters. Hes a street leveller so we know it wasnt through outright power. As such your point is moot

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mother Righteous was sufficiently empowered to become a Dominion and as she was ascending her power was immediately leeched by Enigma as she was already synced with him unbeknownst to her.

https://imgur.com/i8DyzKZ

The fact that Enigma was then switched online illustrates WHR gave Mother R the power she asked for.
Dominions can be killed by stars going supernova. Phoenix Force's sacrifice created star level beings

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I was talking more about the fact that the phoenix force failed to provide the happily ever after to Mother Righteous even after she wrote it. That means Phoenix Force can't be the true font of creation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
History of the Marvel Universe documents a whole range of different stories and canonical elements. Some elements have since been effected by retcons due to stories post 2019 affecting them, whilst some elements which havent been touched on by subsequent stories would remain unaffected. Simple concept

No such retcons happened to make phoenix force big bang.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dominions can be killed by stars going supernova. Phoenix Force's sacrifice created star level beings

https://i.ibb.co/CKVSbS7v/9409368-4400599016-image.png https://i.ibb.co/xKWyn9L2/9409362-3736586979-ABLVV84-HUK-Ki-Li-RNbas5-N1g6-Cd-Ku7cj-Zd-Ba-UUxbi-Jt0-XMcthtpi3-LQn-EDPs-IN3kvqt.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XZ0nGbVK/9409376-rco024-1704929116-1.jpg

I was talking more about the fact that the phoenix force failed to provide the happily ever after to Mother Righteous even after she wrote it. That means Phoenix Force can't be the true font of creation.







Lol, lmao even.

No such thing is established, your petulance isn't a proof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dominions can be killed by stars going supernova. Phoenix Force's sacrifice created star level beings

https://i.ibb.co/CKVSbS7v/9409368-4400599016-image.png https://i.ibb.co/xKWyn9L2/9409362-3736586979-ABLVV84-HUK-Ki-Li-RNbas5-N1g6-Cd-Ku7cj-Zd-Ba-UUxbi-Jt0-XMcthtpi3-LQn-EDPs-IN3kvqt.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XZ0nGbVK/9409376-rco024-1704929116-1.jpg

You cant assert a power level based on what somethings vulnerable to. A squishable spider can kill a 6ft man. A man with a pistol could kill Storm. A piece of green rock can disable a planet busting Superman. Can i have some logic and common sense from you in this discussion please?



Originally posted by abhilegend
I was talking more about the fact that the phoenix force failed to provide the happily ever after to Mother Righteous even after she wrote it. That means Phoenix Force can't be the true font of creation.

It provided Mother Righteous the power to make that reality come true. The power was intercepted. Lets have some integrity and not be childish lol

Originally posted by abhilegend
No such retcons happened to make phoenix force big bang.

Its stated explicitly to be the power that all that is derives from.









Originally posted by abhilegend


No such thing is established, your petulance isn't a proof.

BP conquering Tiger God off panel under unknown conditions doesnt give you the conclusive evidence you need to assert as fact that it was a matchup of sheer power. Game over

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You cant assert a power level based on what somethings vulnerable to. A squishable spider can kill a 6ft man. A man with a pistol could kill Storm. A piece of green rock can disable a planet busting Superman. Can i have some logic and common sense from you in this discussion please?

Is Dominion suddenly weak to suns now? How about fearing Galactus?

https://i.ibb.co/zW7hjkDJ/idk-why-but-i-find-it-difficult-taking-the-dominion-as-a-v0-96dgt1d9n1ja1.jpg



So, it's not font of creation but just a power source sufficient to create star level beings? Beings who fear Galactus? Sounds weak to me lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its stated explicitly to be the power that all that is derives from. It isn't.

Again, your petulance isn't proof, retard.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What are All in Darkseids feats that places him above Marvels equivalent of the Source? https://media.tenor.com/dZ7d75C5HB8AAAAM/will-smith-wow.gif