Surtur vs count Nefaria

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SoulDevourer
fight to death, no BFR

Nefaria fully charged

Surtur aint got his sword

K-Dog
Unless I've missed something, CN isn't anywhere close to skyfather like Surtur is.

SoulDevourer
yeah but on teh other hand Thor looked even more helpless against Nefaria then against Surtur lol

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yeah but on teh other hand Thor looked even more helplessagainst Nefaria then against Surtur lol

Did they have another fight I didn't read?

iceman24567
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did they have another fight I didn't read? You can't read don't kid yourself eek!

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did they have another fight I didn't read? in there 1st fight when he stop mjolnir with his hand like it wuz nothin (dint hulk break his arm trying to do same thing?)

also the 2nd fight where Nefarias runing thru the entire avengers like their nothing, thor against try throwin the hamer at Nefaria but it just bounce off lol

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
in there 1st fight when he stop mjolnir with his hand like it wuz nothin (dint hulk break his arm trying to do same thing?)

also the 2nd fight where Nefarias runing thru the entire avengers like their nothing, thor against try throwin the hamer at Nefaria but it just bounce off lol

You mean after Thor was knocking him around? Count Nefaria has superior durability to the Hulk.

When they fight again, Thor knocks him down with a hammer toss, and lays him low with a punch.

The Nuul
Very lopsided.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean after Thor was knocking him around? Count Nefaria has superior durability to the Hulk.

When they fight again, Thor knocks him down with a hammer toss, and lays him low with a punch. but here CN is fully charged stick out tongue


Thors helpless against full charge CN even mjolnir has no effect!

guy222
Fire Demon

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but here CN is fully charged stick out tongue

Thors helpless against full charge CN even mjolnir has no effect!

When was this?

Thor's only fought him twice.

When did Mjolnir not have any effect on Count Nefaria?

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

When did Mjolnir not have any effect on Count Nefaria? 1) when CN stop it with his hand like it was a baseball laughing out loud

2) when Thor throw it at him and it just bounce of (actualy the entire Avenger team could do nothin to him)

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
1) when CN stop it with his hand like it was a baseball laughing out loud

2) when Thor throw it at him and it just bounce of (actualy the entire Avenger team could do nothin to him)

1) So what?

Thor was knocking him around with his blows, and when finally got mad, he knocked him for a loop with a Mjolnir toss.

2) That never happened. It was a flash back of Count Nefaria, where he thinks to himself of how he took on the Avengers, and in the Flash back you have Mjolnir bouncing off of him and not phasing him which is obvious delusional bullshit, because whenever Thor threw Mjolnir at him in their original fight it sent him for a loop unless that was Busiek's attempt at a retcon.

If you want I can post their entire fight, to add context?

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1) So what?

Thor was knocking him around with his blows, and when finally got mad, he knocked him for a loop with a Mjolnir toss.

2) That never happened. It was a flash back of Count Nefaria, where he thinks to himself of how he took on the Avengers, and in the Flash back you have Mjolnir bouncing off of him and not phasing him which is obvious delusional bullshit, because whenever Thor threw Mjolnir at him in their original fight it sent him for a loop unless that was Busiek's attempt at a retcon.

If you want I can post their entire fight, to add context? 1) huh actualy its Thor who wuz mad (hes in rage mode or w/e its called) when he strike CN with his hammer and still CN stops it with his hand!!!

2) yeah that be intersting but its the 1st fight im more curious about, iirc CN won that 1st fight......

SoulDevourer
anyway if u think Surtur is overkill then check my Kurse vs CN thread cool

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
1) huh actualy its Thor who wuz mad (hes in rage mode or w/e its called) when he strike CN with his hammer and still CN stops it with his hand!!!

2) yeah that be intersting but its the 1st fight im more curious about, iirc CN won that 1st fight......

1) Rage mode? What's that? Like I said when Thor knocked him for a loop when he engaged him again and he was mad.

2) He didn't win that fight.

Here's the entire fight:

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria2.jpg
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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria13.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria14.jpg

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1) Rage mode? What's that? Like I said when Thor knocked him for a loop when he engaged him again and he was mad.

2) He didn't win that fight.

Here's the entire fight:

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria3.jpg
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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria7.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria8.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria9.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria10.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria11.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria12.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria13.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsCountNefaria14.jpg k thx

but CN still stops Thors hammer right? (only other one to do it was Supe in the crossover or somethin)

and even Thor admit CN is stronger (when CN toss the skycraper at him)

Eternal Idol
Surtur kicks Nefaria's ass eleven times out of ten.

Face of Olympus
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Surtur kicks Nefaria's ass eleven times out of ten.

nicamarvin
thor always gets manhandle when facing guys with High durability...like Mangog, Nefaria, 8th day juggernaut, HJ.....not necessarily with stronger guys like hulk, when facing hulk thor has an durability advantage plus his hamer..

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
k thx

but CN still stops Thors hammer right? (only other one to do it was Supe in the crossover or somethin)

and even Thor admit CN is stronger (when CN toss the skycraper at him)

Yea he stops his hammer. Impressive feat.

Meh, Thor's lifted much more weight effortlessly, so I don't see why he would be so impressed but whatever.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by nicamarvin
thor always gets manhandle when facing guys with High durability...like Mangog, Nefaria, 8th day juggernaut, HJ.....not necessarily with stronger guys like hulk, when facing hulk thor has an durability advantage plus his hamer..

Bullshit.

Thor doesn't always get manhandled by anyone with superior durability.

Mangog is above Top Tier in strength and durability. That guy is ridiculous. He'd beat anyone below Trans in a brawl. Also a pissed of Thor has done extremely well against. Even dropped him for a few pages. Impressive when n that same issue he shrugged off a beam from the Colonizers that can rip through the core of Suns etc. without even slowing down. Their most powerful weapon, and looking at their tech with which they've conquered Galaxies it's pretty uber for Thor to drop him.

Thor was actually doing pretty well against 8th day Juggernaut considering the amp. He was holding his own, until the very end when Juggernaut got the advantage.

Nefaria never manhandled Thor. Shit, Thor's blows seemed to effect Nefaria more than vise versa.

Who's "HJ"?

When has Hulk ever surpassed Thor in strength in their fights?

nicamarvin
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Bullshit.

Who's "HJ"?

When has Hulk ever surpassed Thor in strength in their fights?

its weird you call bullshit a TRUE FACT...

lets see the High durability guys that have manhandle thor

Destroyer
Thano
Mangog
8th Juggernaut
kurse
Nefaria
HJ(Harald Jaekelsson)
CNefaria


and you are daydreaming if you think Thor is as strong as Hulk laughing

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by nicamarvin
its weird you call bullshit a TRUE FACT...

lets see the High durability guys that have manhandle thor

Destroyer
Thano
Mangog
8th Juggernaut
kurse
Nefaria
HJ(Harald Jaekelsson)
CNefaria

and you are daydreaming if you think Thor is as strong as Hulk laughing

It is bullshit, because when Thor encounters piers, he holds his own.

You don't just list extremely durable characters, you are listing characters above Top Tier. They'd manhandle Hulk or Superman as well.

Destroyer - Above Top Tier physically without a doubt. Wreck basically anyone in Top Tier in a brawl. Thor though has done extremely well against him in most of their more recent battles.

Thanos - Seriously? His also above Top Tier easily. Thor's done a hell of a lot better against Thanos than even guys like Drax, Silver Surfer etc. They've fought like what, 4 times? One time Thor stalemated him. Second time he was going toe to toe with Thanos (Albeit received help from Thing but how much can he do really? He was smacked away easily.). Thanos eventually knocked out Thing, and I believe stunned Thor with his energy attacks as I recall. Third Time, Thor had the Power Gem, so that had circumstances. The Fourth time it was Thanos (Later retconned to a high powered clone.) and the dude had enough power to wreck Universes because of Tarene.

Mangog - Really? Classic Mangog, would beat Hulk and Superman at the same time as if they were his step children in a brawl.

8th Day Juggernaut - Thor held his own to an extent, but Juggernaut had the advantage in the end. Juggernaut has high end Top Tier strength and above Top Tier durability. According to Thor his power was amped a hundred fold. What do you expects going to happen if they go toe to toe? Thor still did pretty good considering.

Kurse - Again someone above Top Tier. Beyonder amped his strength to 4 times Thor's. What the hell do you expect to happen?

Count Nefaria - Never manhandled Thor. As a matter of fact, Thor's attacks were knocking him for a loop.

Harald - The Viking from the mini, who was amped by the power of the Runes? This guy is well beyond Top Tier. Shit, Strange was shitting himself.

Notice how you're listing beings that would defeat anyone else in that class in a brawl, such as Silver Surfer, Superman or Hulk? So I'm guessing they all suck against high durable beings as well? These beings are simply beings in another class physically. It's no shame that Thor cannot defeat them. Whenever he faces anyone in his class he easily holds his own. Do you even have a point with any of this?

Oh I'm day dreaming? Then how about you show me an instance where Hulk has defeated Thor, because all of their brawls have been stalemates. Doesn't really support your notion of "Hulk > Thor" does it?

nicamarvin
I was just saying how hard of a time thor has with guys with High durability......but Hulk is capable of surpacing this guys on strenght BUT thor is always able to hurt him because hulks low durability...

how about wen Hulk was young maestro and thor was warrior madness?anyways hulk is and will always be stronger than thor

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by nicamarvin
I was just saying how hard of a time thor has with guys with High durability......but Hulk is capable of surpacing this guys on strenght BUT thor is always able to hurt him because hulks low durability...

Any one Top Tier or below would lose to these guys in a brawl without a doubt (Barring Count Nefaria.).

Anyone of those guys would beat Hulk down in a brawl. Especially guys like Thanos, Mangog, Harald etc. They'd beat him to a pulp.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
how about wen Hulk was young maestro and thor was warrior madness?

Ignoring the fact that Berserker Rage and Warrior Madness was somewhat confused in that issue, that was during the time period of the World Engine where Thor's powers were fluctuating. Hell, he was powerless before he fought Hulk, and he stomped his hammer into the ground once and showed some lightning. Who knows what level of strength he was at. A fraction? Half? His power fluctuated continuously during his shirtless period. So that doesn't prove anything. And the Hulk wasn't shown to be superior in that instance either way.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
anyways hulk is and will always be stronger than thor

Lol. This isn't how strong you want Hulk to be but how strong Hulk has actually been shown, and his never defeated Thor. Shit, Thor was stalemating him for hours on end in strength without showing a sign of tiring.

Batman-Prime
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37499/932038-0_pr_super.jpg

Just dropped in to see what condition your conditions was in, or so.

Oh and Surtur should win this one.

Nevermind ^^.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37499/932038-0_pr_super.jpg

Just dropped in to see what condition your conditions was in, or so.

Oh and Surtur should win this one.

Nevermind ^^.

The first panel in that scan was a flash back to his original fight with the Avengers, was it not? Which means it's obvious bullshit. I posted the scans of their entire fight. Every time threw Mjolnir at him, he was knocked for a loop.

The guy is just self-delusional.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The first panel in that scan was a flash back to his original fight with the Avengers, was it not? Which means it's obvious bullshit. I posted the scans of their entire fight. Every time threw Mjolnir at him, he was knocked for a loop.

The guy is just self-delusional.

We can't say that for sure, can we? Thors hammerthorw ain't always that powerful.

http://www.leaderslair.com/avengers/avengers166.jpg (copy and paste)

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/576/136715-jj3_super.gif

big grin

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/422262710_471ebe7138_b.jpg

stick out tongue

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
We can't say that for sure, can we? Thors hammerthorw ain't always that powerful.

http://www.leaderslair.com/avengers/avengers166.jpg (copy and paste)

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/576/136715-jj3_super.gif

big grin

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/422262710_471ebe7138_b.jpg

stick out tongue

Yes we can. I posted the entire fight. Every time Thor threw the hammer at him, he sent him for a loop.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/th_ThorvsCountNefaria4.jpghttp://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/th_ThorvsCountNefaria13.jpg

The first scan is a comic book cover. So fail.

The second scan is when a severely weakened Thor threw his hammer and Juggernaut's Force Field slowed down it's momentum. So yea...

The third scan is an ad from the old Avenger's books. I lol'd at it.

It's true, Thor's hammer throws depend how much force he puts behind them. I mean a hammer toss sent Galactus for a loop once, after he shrugged off an attack from Ego that destroyed System's worth of planets without any harm. Ego's attack didn't hurt him at all, while Thor's toss did.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by nicamarvin
but Hulk is capable of surpacing this guys on strenght BUT thor is always able to hurt him because hulks low durability...
low durablity?

hulks durablity depend if hes pissed or not roll eyes (sarcastic) it got no uper limit (jus like his strenght)

nicamarvin

The Nuul
It all depends on what version of the Hulk. Before WWH the more he fights the more he gets pissed, faster, stronger and his HF speeds up. WWH not so much....he is street smart and pretty much at his peak. Same goes for food and sleep etc....that depends on the version and whos writing.

Anyways off topic.

SoulDevourer

nicamarvin
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
not if he get angrier & angrier then his HF also go up, he coud keep this up 4ever sorry he is not inmortal like Juggernaut even if you wish him to be laughing

not amount of Wishing can change that.. smokin'

The Nuul
Juggernaut immortal? laughing

So what happen vs Onslaught or when he fought Nimrod?

Please stop trolling or read some comics.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by nicamarvin
sorry he is not inmortal like Juggernaut even if you wish him to be laughing

not amount of Wishing can change that.. smokin' u mean imortal like he dont age? i dunno but if his HF has no uper limit then what does dat mean?




btw if Cytoraks destroyed then what happens to Jugs imortality? big grin

Rage.Of.Olympus

nicamarvin
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The angrier he gets, the less rest he would need and so on. do you think he could last for decades without rest? confused

and whe I was saying inmortal I was thinking on on Juggernaut's kind of inmortality, heck even galactus can die but he is an inmortal for all purposes just like juggernaut(except Juggs dont feel hunger) and Hulk is not.. smokin'

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by nicamarvin
do you think he could last for decades without rest? confused

and whe I was saying inmortal I was thinking on on Juggernaut's kind of inmortality, heck even galactus can die but he is an inmortal for all purposes just like juggernaut(except Juggs dont feel hunger) and Hulk is not.. smokin'

Like I said, his endurance is relative to his anger.

Hulk doesn't stop aging apparently, but that depends on the writer. I don't even know what the current take on with Hulk and old age is.

Kris Blaze

nicamarvin
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like I said, his endurance is relative to his anger.

Hulk doesn't stop aging apparently, but that depends on the writer. I don't even know what the current take on with Hulk and old age is. you just answered your own question, Hulk's body does not completely heal(atleast on a molecular level) and thats why he ages(Maestro,death of hulk) he will eventually die of old age, in this case guys with amazing HF do die eventually(Hulk,wolverine)

so Hulk is Near Inmortal but a true Inmortal like Juggernaut.. smokin'

nicamarvin
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Listen to yourself dumbass. ..... smokin'

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by nicamarvin
you just answered your own question, Hulk's body does not completely heal(atleast on a molecular level) and thats why he ages(Maestro,death of hulk) he will eventually die of old age, in this case guys with amazing HF do die eventually(Hulk,wolverine)

so Hulk is Near Inmortal but a true Inmortal like Juggernaut.. smokin'

Doesn't Kitty Pryde phasing work on a molecular level? He healed from that shit. Plus the Grey Gargoyle and crap.

So what if Juggernaut is a true Immortal? Ares is Immortal, and either would stomp him.

Exactly what is your point here? Do you have a point? We all know Hulk ages.

The Nuul
Until there is a scan or issue number stating Juggs is immortal, its not true.....hes prob just trolling.

nicamarvin
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So what if Juggernaut is a true Immortal?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We all know Hulk ages. Juggernaut will not die an old COOT like Hulk... smokin'

h1a8
I disagree with Mangog beating Superman. I don't think he is as strong as Kurse. He seems very durable if you ask me.

guysangel
Surtur wins

nicamarvin
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with Mangog beating Superman. HE will make supes looks like a child in brawl, but supes can always BFR him.....that is if he dares to come even close, if mangog gets his hand on him he will brake his neck like a twig.. smokin'

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree with Mangog beating Superman. I don't think he is as strong as Kurse. He seems very durable if you ask me. How would you know?

Endless Mike
The count gets incinerated

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
How would you know?

Superman at his best seems a lot lot stronger and just as durable. Overpowering Thor "a little" doesn't butter my muffin since I don't regard Thor anywhere near the physical equal to Superman. The only thing that gives Mangog any consideration in beating Superman is his durability.

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman at his best seems a lot lot stronger and just as durable. Overpowering Thor "a little" doesn't butter my muffin since I don't regard Thor anywhere near the physical equal to Superman. The only thing that gives Mangog any consideration in beating Superman is his durability. How did Thor defeat Mangog then?

nicamarvin
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman at his best seems a lot lot stronger and just as durable. Overpowering Thor "a little" doesn't butter my muffin since I don't regard Thor anywhere near the physical equal to Superman. The only thing that gives Mangog any consideration in beating Superman is his durability. DUDE Mangog will use Superman as a toothpick... laughing

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by nicamarvin
HE will make supes looks like a child in brawl 4 once i agree with u man

nicamarvin
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
4 once i agree with u man .... smokin'

SoulDevourer
but i take it u ment full-powered Mangog right?

iirc Mangog strenght vary with number of souls he has or somethin right? if hes powered by like billion souls then hes a ****in unstopable giant

but if hes weakened enuff Thor can kill him & so shoud Supe

nicamarvin
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
but i take it u ment full-powered Mangog right?

iirc Mangog strenght vary with number of souls he has or somethin right? if hes powered by like billion souls then hes a ****in unstopable giant

but if hes weakened enuff Thor can kill him & so shoud Supe SA Mangog.... smokin'

quanchi112
Originally posted by nicamarvin
DUDE Mangog will use Superman as a toothpick... laughing laughing out loud

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
How did Thor defeat Mangog then?

IMO Thor is leagues below Superman in physical strength. So him not effecting Mangog has no bearing whatsoever on what Superman will do.

Mangog is hella durable against energy blasts but sufficient physical force is everyone's weakness (except maybe Juggernaut).

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
IMO Thor is leagues below Superman in physical strength. So him not effecting Mangog has no bearing whatsoever on what Superman will do.

Mangog is hella durable against energy blasts but sufficient physical force is everyone's weakness (except maybe Juggernaut). You didn't answer my question. How did Thor Beat Mangog?

I have a point to make but if you can't answer the question then I'll know you just pick certain characters and could care less about how they are portrayed.

SuperiorTech
Originally posted by h1a8
IMO Thor is leagues below Superman in physical strength . So him not effecting Mangog has no bearing whatsoever on what Superman will do.

Mangog is hella durable against energy blasts but sufficient physical force is everyone's weakness (except maybe Juggernaut).


I got to this part and realized there was not point in reading any further.

D-Block
Originally posted by h1a8
IMO Thor is leagues below Superman in physical strength. .

You can't be serious.

And Surtur wins.

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't answer my question. How did Thor Beat Mangog?

I have a point to make but if you can't answer the question then I'll know you just pick certain characters and could care less about how they are portrayed.

With a blast in the mouth of course. But Superman>>>>>>>Thor and energy durability is not equal to blunt force durability.

h1a8
Originally posted by D-Block
You can't be serious.

And Surtur wins.

To us humans if two being can lift more than 100tons, one being 10,000 tons and the other sextillions of tons, then we would think they both are in each others strength class unless they wrestled or locked grips with each other. Since most fights don't have the strong opponents locking grips and having characters with different durabilities and power sets (including skill and speed) then we see all of them as Super strong (unless stated otherwise).

I agree Surtur wins. Nefaria was too inconsistent and showed enough weakness to make me believe he would lose.

nicamarvin
Originally posted by h1a8
With a blast in the mouth of course. But Superman>>>>>>>Thor and energy durability is not equal to blunt force durability. you are such a FANBOY....... stick out tongue Luky for me Juggernaut's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Supes>>>Thor..... smokin'

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