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I read many articles claiming Lyoto is a traditional Shotokan sylist with a BJJ black belt. But I disagree here, he did crosstrain in wrestling and muay thai to be successful. So karate alone is not good enough for his stand up package to win against so many top names in the UFC. I think his so-called "Machida Karate" is a hybid of Shotokan and Muay Thai.

What are your takes on this? Do you think pure karate has any chance against pure Muay Thai--which dominates as a stand up style in MMA?

Any MMA fans in here???

It has no chance since Karate isn't tailored towards real fighting.

And if you look down farther, you'll see a sports section where this topic will fit better.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
It has no chance since Karate isn't tailored towards real fighting.

And if you look down farther, you'll see a sports section where this topic will fit better.

Sorry, can this thread be put in the right section by the administrator?

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
I read many articles claiming Lyoto is a traditional Shotokan sylist with a BJJ black belt. But I disagree here, he did crosstrain in wrestling and muay thai to be successful. So karate alone is not good enough for his stand up package to win against so many top names in the UFC. I think his so-called "Machida Karate" is a hybid of Shotokan and Muay Thai.

What are your takes on this? Do you think pure karate has any chance against pure Muay Thai--which dominates as a stand up style in MMA?

Any MMA fans in here???

He is an MMA fighter, simple as that.

Possible, really depends on the opponents, but I'd wager the Muay Thai is better prepared to KO or incapacitate his opponent than a Karate practitioner is. Opponents being equal, I'd always bet on the Muay Thai fighter.

what exactly is karate???

His background is Karate, but he's truely a mixed martial artist. He's the epitome of how a fighter should pick apart his opponneent.

Anyway, I'm cheering for Shogun. I prefer Muay Thai style fighters.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
what exactly is karate??? Not sure waht you mean by that. But karate is a great form of martial arts. Great for balance, movement, elusivness, and striking without getting struck.

Even Fedor Emelianenko took Karate/Tae Kwon Do lessons a couple years back for balance and better movement.

His standup is predominantly shotokan karate but he does incorporate elements of muay thai into it.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
I read many articles claiming Lyoto is a traditional Shotokan sylist with a BJJ black belt. But I disagree here, he did crosstrain in wrestling and muay thai to be successful. So karate alone is not good enough for his stand up package to win against so many top names in the UFC. I think his so-called "Machida Karate" is a hybid of Shotokan and Muay Thai.

What are your takes on this? Do you think pure karate has any chance against pure Muay Thai--which dominates as a stand up style in MMA?

Any MMA fans in here???

It depends on what you mean by "true" stylist. He is certainly not a karate purist. Purists generally don't do well in today's fighting world, so most fighters crosstrain to at least some extent. He is, however, a legitimate karate practitioner. He didn't just slap on a gi and began fighting.

His standup is certainly based in karate though. To deny that is ludicrous. His karate is hyped up because he is about the only fighter to really take the finer aspects of the style and use them effectively at such a high level. Also, it helps market him.

The typical karateka wouldn't do well against the typical muay thai artist. Most karate schools cater to parents who don't actually want to see their kids fight. These schools essentially have students flick their feet in the air a couple of times per week without regard to actual combat. Muay thai schools usually feature much more alive, realistic sparring and other training. In general, muay thai students are much more prepared for a fight.

Exceptions exist obviously. Several schools of karate, like Kyokushin, emphasize alive training. There are also karate fighters who've met with success against various muay thai stylists. Andy Hug comes to mind.

I personally think we'll see "traditional" styles return to proper training in the future due the growing mainstream appeal of MMA/Vale Tudo. I've even seen a capoeira guy doing well recently. I forgot his name though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
It depends on what you mean by "true" stylist. He is certainly not a karate purist. Purists generally don't do well in today's fighting world, so most fighters crosstrain to at least some extent. He is, however, a legitimate karate practitioner. He didn't just slap on a gi and began fighting.

His standup is certainly based in karate though. To deny that is ludicrous. His karate is hyped up because he is about the only fighter to really take the finer aspects of the style and use them effectively at such a high level. Also, it helps market him.

Exceptions exist obviously. Several schools of karate, like Kyokushin, emphasize alive training. There are also karate fighters who've met with success against various muay thai stylists. Andy Hug comes to mind.

I personally think we'll see "traditional" styles return to proper training in the future due the growing mainstream appeal of MMA/Vale Tudo. I've even seen a capoeira guy doing well recently. I forgot his name though.

You're right. A better word should have been 'purist' instead. He's not a purist at all as an MMA fighter.

Kyokushin is a hybrid karate style that blends in boxing, muay thai, along with the best effective techniques from karate. It isn't purely Japanese. Even though Mas Oyama is Korean.

Machida has also trained in Sumo for a good amount of time. He's well versed in all aspects of fighting. That's why he's well decorated in his grappling and took Tito down with ease.

Anyway, I want Shogun to win. I'm saying Shogun via KO

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Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
You're right. A better word should have been 'purist' instead. He's not a purist at all as an MMA fighter.

Kyokushin is a hybrid karate style that blends in boxing, muay thai, along with the best effective techniques from karate. It isn't purely Japanese. Even though Mas Oyama is Korean.
Meh, I'm sure several schools do incorporate other striking styles, but kyokushin itself seems to be fairly pure with regards to its techniques. The compeition themselves are open format, so many different styles are represented even though it may called a "kyokushin" event. Naturally, this leads to cross pollination as effective techniques are needed to win the competition. I wouldn't say that necessarily makes kyokushin a hybrid style in the sense that say, shidokan, is a hybrid style.
Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
Machida has also trained in Sumo for a good amount of time. He's well versed in all aspects of fighting. That's why he's well decorated in his grappling and took Tito down with ease.

Anyway, I want Shogun to win. I'm saying Shogun via KO

Yeah, many people are unaware that Machida has those mad sumo skills.

I think Machida is cool, so I don't want to see him KOed. I do want Shogun to win though. He probably won't but I'll be cheering for him anyway.