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This is current Colossus and not teenage version. The Crew also don't have Doc Ock here either.

Wrecker at his best defeats Piotr

Who has the Wrecker at his best beat? Didn't Thing beat him down at full power?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Who has the Wrecker at his best beat? Didn't Thing beat him down at full power?

He has one-shotted Hulk.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He has one-shotted Hulk. In his first appearance. Characters usually perform higher when they first appear, though that was cool.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He has one-shotted Hulk. He also beat thor when odin stripped thor of his powers but thor still had all of his strength.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Who has the Wrecker at his best beat? Didn't Thing beat him down at full power?

He was manhandling Thing (badly...why do people forget that?), and then Thing got lucky as he got over-confident. Also that fight was pre-Ulik upgrade too.

Wrecler also beat Beta Ray Bill.

He got lucky? Could you elaborate?

Originally posted by Deadline
He got lucky? Could you elaborate?

He became over-confident and became careless as noted, also Thing even admitted if he took much more punishment from Wrecker he would have died.

I think Wrecker is getting too much wanking here. His very last appearance he was getting beat up by Rhino and Sasquatch.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think Wrecker is getting too much wanking here. His very last appearance he was getting beat up by Rhino and Sasquatch.

Wasn't he power sharing in both those instances.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think Wrecker is getting too much wanking here. His very last appearance he was getting beat up by Rhino and Sasquatch.

Or I was merely clarify what happened in a comic, and yes on average Wrecker and the rest of the Crew generally are not impressive.

That was not his last apperance, and getting beat up by Sasquatch is bad how again?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think Wrecker is getting too much wanking here. His very last appearance he was getting beat up by Rhino and Sasquatch.

In an New Avengers Issue thaz's also not far in the past he beat the complete Avengers, he was taken down be pheromones or something

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Wasn't he power sharing in both those instances. I heard he don't power share anymore.Originally posted by -K-M-
Or I was merely clarify what happened in a comic, and yes on average Wrecker and the rest of the Crew generally are not impressive.

That was not his last apperance, and getting beat up by Sasquatch is bad how again? Never said getting beat by Sasquatch is a low-showing. And as you know a amped up Wrecking Crew was getting beat by Sasquatch.

Originally posted by -K-M-
He became over-confident and became careless as noted, also Thing even admitted if he took much more punishment from Wrecker he would have died. Exactly where did Wrecker do this?

http://a.imagehost.org/t/0027/Freakshow_1_11.jpg http://a.imagehost.org/t/0154/Freakshow_1_13.jpg


In another fight, he beats a full power Wrecker by grabbing his uru Crowbar...
http://a.imagehost.org/t/0005/Fantastic_Four_355-15.jpg http://a.imagehost.org/t/0785/Fantastic_Four_355-16.jpg http://h.imagehost.org/t/0698/Fantastic_Four_355-17.jpg http://a.imagehost.org/t/0006/Fantastic_Four_355-18.jpg http://h.imagehost.org/t/0901/Fantastic_Four_355-19.jpg http://a.imagehost.org/t/0301/Fantastic_Four_355-20.jpg http://a.imagehost.org/t/0612/Fantastic_Four_355-21.jpg http://h.imagehost.org/t/0005/Fantastic_Four_355-22.jpg

Yeah Ive seen the 1st scans

You just posted the scans I was talking about from Fantastic Four #355, read them. He also didn't grab his crowbar there.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah Ive seen the 1st scans

You just posted the scans I was talking about from Fantastic Four #355, read them. He also didn't grab his crowbar there. I took this out of supertorches respect thread on Herochat. Those are his depictions. Where did Wrecker get lucky?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I heard he don't power share anymore.

Never said getting beat by Sasquatch is a low-showing. And as you know a amped up Wrecking Crew was getting beat by Sasquatch.

He doesn't, but writers ignore that like his other many powers

Yeah from the same power source that powers Walter..meh!

Originally posted by -K-M-


Wrecler also beat Beta Ray Bill. Was he at normal power?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I took this out of supertorches respect thread on Herochat. Those are his depictions. Where did Wrecker get lucky?

Thing not once picks up the crowbar in that fight, and Wrecker didn't...Thing did. He directly says Wrecker got to over-confident and became careless but if Wrecker kept pounding on him he would have died.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Thing not once picks up the crowbar in that fight, and Wrecker didn't...Thing did. He directly says Wrecker got to over-confident and became careless but if Wrecker kept pounding on him he would have died. Thing was waiting for the right moment to strike it looked to me.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thing was waiting for the right moment to strike it looked to me.

and as noted if he waited any longer he would have died, as he couldn't take Wrecker prior to that

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Was he at normal power?

No, he got amped up further by Tanaraq in Omega Flight #3

I must be blind, what scan does Ben say this?

And if Wrecker was amped beyond his normal levels it is a moot point that he beat BRB. That just shows how much he was amped as a few issues earlier he was stomped by Sasquatch.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I must be blind, what scan does Ben say this?

And if Wrecker was amped beyond his normal levels it is a moot point that he beat BRB. That just shows how much he was amped as a few issues earlier he was stomped by Sasquatch.

http://a.imagehost.org/view/0301/Fantastic_Four_355-20
"you got in some good shots--not much more and ya probably could'a killed me"

This was in regards to Wrecker at his "best", and I wouldn't say Walter stomped him, heck they won the fight in the end.

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0301/Fantastic_Four_355-20
"you got in some good shots--not much more and ya probably could'a killed me"

This was in regards to Wrecker at his "best", and I wouldn't say Walter stomped him, heck they won the fight in the end. I see it now, but I don't see how that means Thing got lucky. Thing was waiting for the right time to strike and take Wrecker down it looks.

Walter only lost because he had visions during the fight iirc. Granted him being taken out by a xploding semi is kinda wack but he still lost because he dropped his guard.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I see it now, but I don't see how that means Thing got lucky. Thing was waiting for the right time to strike and take Wrecker down it looks.

Walter only lost because he had visions during the fight iirc. Granted him being taken out by a xploding semi is kinda wack but he still lost because he dropped his guard.

Read it again, if Wrecker didn't get over-confident and careless he would have killed Thing. fact. Thing is lucky Wrecker became careless or he would have been done.

Indeed, but the Crew prior wern't getting steam rolled and were still in the fight.

Even when Thing grabbed Wrecker by the wrist he was still helpless. If he was as powerful as people are saying he still should have been able to break the hold. He even said he was gonna make Thing let him go.

The Crew was getting handled......

Wrecker beat black-suit Spider-Man 3 times in one issue.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wrecker beat black-suit Spider-Man 3 times in one issue. That's very plausible.

Current Wrecker got taken down by Luke Cage, with a bit of help from Wolverine, while he was by himself, that's how Luke got his hands on that snazzy crowbar. And even when Wrecker does power share, he stays at his full power.

Current Colossus vs Current Wrecker, I'd give it to the tin man.

Wrecking Crew sucks 9/10 times.

Originally posted by -K-M-


That was not his last apperance, and getting beat up by Sasquatch is bad how again? its bad in relation to this thread because colossus would murder sasquatch

Colossus was taking it to Tanaraq Sasquatch.

Simply put, the Wrecking Crew gets their asses handed to them in the early stages of the fight. Wrecker lasts for a while, but he goes down too.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus was taking it to Tanaraq Sasquatch. Teenage Colossus you mean.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wrecker beat black-suit Spider-Man 3 times in one issue.

I've said it before and I'll say it again-the black symbiote costume didn't augment Spiderman's power, at all in 616 continuety. And anyway the costume Pete wore in that story was the cloth version of the symbiote costume, that Black Cat made for him.
Anyway if the Crew are at full power they take Colossus

Remember how a weaker Colossus was beating the Crew so bad that Wrecker thought he would kill them??? Then he snuck up behind him and hit him as hard as he could in the back??Yeah, this time he does kill them, and Wrecker. If Luke Cage can take him down, and take his crowbar from him, then Colossus can do much better.

And actually Symbiote Spidey was stronger than regular Spidey, the symbiote increases strength and all that.

Also, Doc Ock was there with the Crew and he's a pretty formadible guy in his own right.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wrecker beat black-suit Spider-Man 3 times in one issue.

What issue? Please tell me, that sounds like a truly awesome comic.

Originally posted by KingD19
And actually Symbiote Spidey was stronger than regular Spidey, the symbiote increases strength and all that.

Not in 616. It was even explained that symbiote didn't feel the need to enhance Parker. It just copied his powers and transferred them later to Brock. I think Pete had unlimited webbing then though.

That's what I meant, of course.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I've said it before and I'll say it again-the black symbiote costume didn't augment Spiderman's power, at all in 616 continuety. And anyway the costume Pete wore in that story was the cloth version of the symbiote costume, that Black Cat made for him.
Anyway if the Crew are at full power they take Colossus

I didn't say symbiote Spidey, I said black suit. I mean he was, after all, wearing a black suit in that issue. Still, Wrecker taking Spidey down 3 times in a single issue is impressive enough.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What issue? Please tell me, that sounds like a truly awesome comic.

Spectacular Spider-Man #126.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I didn't say symbiote Spidey, I said black suit. I mean he was, after all, wearing a black suit in that issue. Still, Wrecker taking Spidey down 3 times in a single issue is impressive enough.



Spectacular Spider-Man #126.

Why mention the suit at all then, if you know it makes no difference?

Because he was wearing a black suit in that issue. That's not standard issue for Spidey.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Because he was wearing a black suit in that issue. That's not standard issue for Spidey.

Standard issue?? The Black cloth suit didn't come with extra equipment. It was the same as the old red & blue, but just a different colour.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Spectacular Spider-Man #126.

Thank you very much.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Standard issue?? The Black cloth suit didn't come with extra equipment. It was the same as the old red & blue, but just a different colour.

Who cares?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Who cares?

I do and so should you.

Originally posted by Starscream M
its bad in relation to this thread because colossus would murder sasquatch

Wrong. Comics don't support that at all.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus was taking it to Tanaraq Sasquatch.

Ummm....no he wasn't, he got dominated by Sasquatch All Colossus had was just the one judo toss which Walter was quickly back up, that is literally all Colossus did

Walter was as noted NOT Tanaraq Sasquatch, and he was embarassing Colossus.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Teenage Colossus you mean.

and got schooled

All Piotr did was judo tossing Walter at the end, IIRC.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
All Piotr did was judo tossing Walter at the end, IIRC.

Exactally, Colossus did not take it to Walter. Walter through the entire fight was toying with Colossus. To say otherwise is silly

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wrong. Comics don't support that at all.

umm actually comics do support it.

there ain't a darn thing sas can do to hurt colossus. but Colossus can hurt sas.

get over your bias!

Originally posted by -K-M-
Walter through the entire fight was toying with Colossus. getting judo tossed by someone isn't exactly toying with them. you have an odd definition of toying.

Originally posted by Starscream M
getting judo tossed by someone isn't exactly toying with them. you have an odd definition of toying.

And you have an odd definition of winning.

Colossus only landed a single attack in that fight

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
And you have an odd definition of winning.

Colossus only landed a single attack in that fight I never said Colossus won that fight.

but my point is, Sas can't really hurt Piotr whereas the reverse isn't true.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I never said Colossus won that fight.

but my point is, Sas can't really hurt Piotr whereas the reverse isn't true.

You have nothing to back that shit up with.

Colossus was hurt more than Sasquatch

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You have nothing to back that shit up with.
um, Colossus is far more invulnerable than Sas is. Their strength are close, perhaps Colossus is a bit stronger. Hence, its only logical that colosuss is superior.

Colossus has better durability and strength...what does sas have, maybe more agility.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um, Colossus is far more invulnerable than Sas is. Their strength are close, perhaps Colossus is a bit stronger. Hence, its only logical that colosuss is superior.

Colossus has better durability and strength...what does sas have, maybe more agility.

You're claiming he has better durability, so prove it

The fight you're trying so hard to focus on, proves just the opposite.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You're claiming he has better durability, so prove it

sas bleeds, colossus doesn't. there.

Originally posted by Starscream M
sas bleeds, colossus doesn't. there.

Superman also bleeds facepalm

Originally posted by Starscream M
sas bleeds, colossus doesn't. there.

colossus does bleed.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You have nothing to back that shit up with.

Colossus was hurt more than Sasquatch Sasquatch was on all fours when the fight was stopped with Colossus at his back pounding him. This was after Sasquatch got back to his feet after the Judo toss.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
All Piotr did was judo tossing Walter at the end, IIRC.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/colossus2002.jpg


As noted in the very next issue Colossus was going through a spell of self doubt and wasn't giving his all. But once Cyke told Colossus to get his head in the game it was all Colossus.

Colossus appeared to be in control.

And that was teenage Colossus, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Huggernaut taking it to Current Sasquatch? Colossus could do the same.

I believe Colossus was actually stronger than Huggernaut.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Superman also bleeds facepalm it takes far, far more to get colossus or superman to bleed than sasquatch. are you honestly saying sas is more durable than colossus?

Originally posted by Starscream M
it takes far, far more to get colossus or superman to bleed than sasquatch. are you honestly saying sas is more durable than colossus?

So now you're going back on your statement, Colossus can bleed now?

And hells yeah, Sasquatch is at least on par with Colossus' durability.

Originally posted by Starscream M
umm actually comics do support it.

there ain't a darn thing sas can do to hurt colossus. but Colossus can hurt sas.

get over your bias!

You do realize Colossus has been hurt before right?

Oh my the ignorant calling someone bias.

Originally posted by Starscream M
getting judo tossed by someone isn't exactly toying with them. you have an odd definition of toying.

Did you see how he was judo tossed? Probably not as Walter had his hand on his head while Colossus was swinging in the air like a small child

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sasquatch was on all fours when the fight was stopped with Colossus at his back pounding him. This was after Sasquatch got back to his feet after the Judo toss.

Which was after the fight stopped and could have been from the storm which took down other members. Do you seriously believe a judo toss took that much out of him? Especially since he said "oops" going down?

Originally posted by KingD19
And that was teenage Colossus, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Huggernaut taking it to Current Sasquatch? Colossus could do the same.

They fought pretty evenly, but in the end Juggernaut's face looked worse

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus appeared to be in control.

*snickers* from a judo toss? Lets ignore prior to thar Walter was literally treating Colossus like a child

Originally posted by snoopdogg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/ColossusandSasquatch2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus%20fights/colossus2002.jpg

As noted in the very next issue Colossus was going through a spell of self doubt and wasn't giving his all. But once Cyke told Colossus to get his head in the game it was all Colossus.

You didn't post all the scans

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg07.jpg
2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg09.jpg
3. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg10.jpg
4. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg11.jpg
5. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/uxm121pg12.jpg
6. http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/uxm-121-25.jpg

Originally posted by -K-M-



Which was after the fight stopped and could have been from the storm which took down other members. Do you seriously believe a judo toss took that much out of him? Especially since he said "oops" going down?


Yea, right the storm knocked Sasquatch down while other human type folk were still standing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg


Yea, right the storm knocked Sasquatch down while other human type folk were still standing.

Why? Shaman's winds have blown over Box and Walter before. Also the fact Storm was pushed to her limits to stop it which resulted in the entire country being affected from it

Originally posted by -K-M-
Why? Shaman's winds have blown over Box and Walter before. Also the fact Storm was pushed to her limits to stop it which resulted in the entire country being affected from it You'd have a point there weren't human type folk standing there. Sasquath just prior to that was tossing a 250 ton jet against the thrusters. I'm pretty sure the storm didn't knock him down because Cyclops and Logan are standing up yet. You're not being logical.

Only because he has no fur...

Originally posted by Survivor19
Only because he has no fur... Or a healing factor....

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You'd have a point there weren't human type folk standing there. Sasquath just prior to that was tossing a 250 ton jet against the thrusters. I'm pretty sure the storm didn't knock him down because Cyclops and Logan are standing up yet. You're not being logical.

Which could have been protected by Sasquatch or Shaman, who knows. His feet were planted in the ground do you know for sure they were after the judo toss? Also did I say 100% concrete thats what happened? No not at all. However, the fighting stopped then so what other options could there be? Honestly I think him standing in that one scene was a drawing mistake, and the last scan of Walter on his knees was right after the judo toss toss as Mac and Wolverine were in the same pose.

Originally posted by Survivor19
Only because he has no fur...

Healing factor, and the biggest punch of the whole fight was landed by Walter too *shrugs* Also bruises have shown through Walter's face as there isn't that much fur there compared to the rest of his body.

It wasn't a bad showing by any means, but you also have to look at how the rest of AF was written in that issue

Originally posted by -K-M-
Which could have been protected by Sasquatch or Shaman, who knows. His feet were planted in the ground do you know for sure they were after the judo toss? Also did I say 100% concrete thats what happened? No not at all. However, the fighting stopped then so what other options could there be? Honestly I think him standing in that one scene was a drawing mistake, and the last scan of Walter on his knees was right after the judo toss toss as Mac and Wolverine were in the same pose. Drawing error?

Call it what you want I guess.

Anyway, this isn't Wrecker vs. Colossus, right? Because overall conclusion is Colossus can defeat Wrecker 1 on 1.
What about 4 against 1 then?

In all fairness, I think the range of Sasquatch's abilities weren't established at the point in time and seeing how that was around the Alpha Flights first appearance it's understandable cause they were pretty much created to make the X-Men Version 2.0 look good look how Snowbird went down. Plus Claremonts a douche so....

Originally posted by Survivor19
Anyway, this isn't Wrecker vs. Colossus, right? Because overall conclusion is Colossus can defeat Wrecker 1 on 1.
What about 4 against 1 then? Well the theory is they don't powershare anymore. But they still have a large portion of low showings imo.

Their not suppose to powershare due to Ulik's teachings, but that has been ignored. Generally now a days the Crew have more poor showings then good.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze


And hells yeah, Sasquatch is at least on par with Colossus' durability. didn't sabretooth beat sasquatch?

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't sabretooth beat sasquatch?

No, Walter fell into a trap meant for Wendigo. Regardless that same story Sabretooth killed the unkillable Wendigo dont take it to serious.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, Walter fell into a trap meant for Wendigo. Regardless that same story Sabretooth killed the unkillable Wendigo dont take it to serious. Walter was in pretty bad shape in that comic iirc, and wasn't he only shot or something.

walter's durability is shit compared to colossus. sabretooth could prob kill walter whereas he would be helpless against colossus.

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't sabretooth beat sasquatch?

No.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Walter was in pretty bad shape in that comic iirc, and wasn't he only shot or something.

walter's durability is shit compared to colossus. sabretooth could prob kill walter whereas he would be helpless against colossus.

Yes by a rifle, but he has shown to take armor peircing machine gun fire with no harm as well as tank blasts and 6 grenades to the face. So no. If you based your opinion on that story that's pretty faulty as there story is pretty scoffed at here.

No it really isn't, but then again you really have no idea what your talking about do you? I would say Colossus is more durable, but leaps and bounds? No. Also you would be wrong again, I remember that Sas/Sabretooth thread and you were the only one who supported Sabretooth

Originally posted by -K-M-
I would say Colossus is more durable, but leaps and bounds? ok, I'll take that as concession. So you admit that colossus is more durable.

then what the hell advantage does the furball have over Piotr?

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, I'll take that as concession. So you admit that colossus is more durable.

then what the hell advantage does the furball have over Piotr?

Where the hell did I even once say Walter was more durable? I cant concede anything when I never claimed that in the first place Your not to bright are you

Healing factor, strength, intelligence, ability to tap into more power via Tanaraq, etc.

Not to mention his agility.

Current Sasquatch<Current Colossus

Colossus>Huggernaut>Sasquatch.

Cannonball > Magneto > Colossus > Huggernaut > Sasquatch

Originally posted by KingD19
Current Sasquatch<Current Colossus

Based on?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus>Huggernaut>Sasquatch.

Once again...based on?

Reading comics.

Colossus has MUCH more combat training than the Thing, and is stronger.

Piotr takes this easier than the Thing did.

Colossus ftw.

Colossus is stronger than the Thing? I always thought Colossus was just under Class 100. You learn something every day I guess.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Colossus is stronger than the Thing? I always thought Colossus was just under Class 100. You learn something every day I guess.

he's full on class 100. has been since his return from the dead.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Reading comics.

*Gasp* No way.

Try again

Colossus has high feats, and is billed as being stronger and more durable than Sassy in general.

And even though it's sort of A-B-C logic, Huggernaut was struggling with weights that weren't even on Colossus' level, yet he took it to Sasquatch.

Yadda yadda.

Wild Child also left Walter for dead in a Wolverine issue. No way he'd do that to Big C.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
I do and so should you.

Lulz what? Why the hell should anyone care? I didn't lie, I said black suit Spider-Man which is what it was in that issue.

Originally posted by KingD19
Colossus has high feats, and is billed as being stronger and more durable than Sassy in general.

And even though it's sort of A-B-C logic, Huggernaut was struggling with weights that weren't even on Colossus' level, yet he took it to Sasquatch.

Yadda yadda.

No he isn't, and Walter has better feats then Colossus and can increase his strength via Elder God. Im going to wager you don't know to much of Walter. Durable yes, strength no way.

Maybe you should have read the next page and read what Juggernaut said afterwards

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wild Child also left Walter for dead in a Wolverine issue. No way he'd do that to Big C.

Why? he ambushed Walter from behind and with that issue, Scott Kolins verbally attacked Loeb for that ark. Shall I bring up low showings for Colossus now?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Maybe you should have read the next page and read what Juggernaut said afterwards

Agreed. What Alex said seemed to indicate that he was close to Colossus level, but not quite there yet. Juggernaut tells him to shut up keep pouring it on.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Agreed. What Alex said seemed to indicate that he was close to Colossus level, but not quite there yet. Juggernaut tells him to shut up keep pouring it on. That's foolish pride, Juggernaut would never admitt he's weaker than Colossus. His face tells a different story.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Shall I bring up low showings for Colossus now? We can play that game if you'd like.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's foolish pride, Juggernaut would never admitt he's weaker than Colossus. His face tells a different story.

and do you know that Colossus wasn't making a similar face when he was doing it? Its one thing if Jugz didn't put extra weight on which he did.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
We can play that game if you'd like.

Id rather not, but your the one dead set trying to discredit a character not even fighting in this thread

They didn't put extra weight iirc.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
They didn't put extra weight iirc.

Sorry meant to say he wanted them to put the weight on.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
They didn't put extra weight iirc.

The scene cut to something else right after he made the request. We have to assume he did.

Originally posted by -K-M-


Healing factor, strength, intelligence, ability to tap into more power via Tanaraq, etc.

healing factor is irrelevant as Sas can't even hurt Colossus

strength? Colossus is just as strong if not stronger if we take their average showing

any intelligence difference here is largely irrelevant in this scenario

tanaraq is not allowed generally, as that is a different character entirely

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The scene cut to something else right after he made the request. We have to assume he did. The power went out on the machine iirc.

I did not assume they did put more weight on.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I did not assume they did put more weight on. Going back and looking they were only halfway through the training sequence.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The power went out on the machine iirc.

In the last panel Iceman shuts it down because he's pissed they let Cain in there. If they cranked it, it didn't go up much before Bobby shut it down like the ghey he is.

Either way, he was visually struggling, but he wasn't sagging under the weight. He clearly wasn't at his limit and the dialogue suggested he was close to Colossus' level.

Havok said they were only halfway through that sequence though. Colossus' might have been the next one.

Originally posted by Starscream M
healing factor is irrelevant as Sas can't even hurt Colossus

strength? Colossus is just as strong if not stronger if we take their average showing

any intelligence difference here is largely irrelevant in this scenario

tanaraq is not allowed generally, as that is a different character entirely

haha what? Sasquatch cant hurt Colossus? and you come to his conclusion how? as you do know (Actually you probablly dont) people weaker then Walter have hurt Colossus. Also a healing factor irrelevant?....Im not sure if your serious or just being a troll

Average showing Walter is more impressive, and can always amp his strength

Wrong, walter has shown he can calculate battle scenarios to his advantage and has used the surrunding landscape to his advatage due to his engineering and chemistry backgrounds

Wrong, as noted Walter can tap into his power without going full Tanaraq. He can increase his strength much like Hulk can with rage. Why am I not suprized of your ignorance?

Originally posted by -K-M-
haha what? Sasquatch cant hurt Colossus? and you come to his conclusion how? as you do know (Actually you probablly dont) people weaker then Walter have hurt Colossus

Average showing Walter is more impressive, and can always amp his strength

Wrong, walter has shown he can calculate battle scenarios to his advantage and has used the surrunding landscape to his advatage due to his engineering and chemistry backgrounds

Wrong, as noted Walter can tap into his power without going full Tanaraq. He can increase his strength much like Hulk can with rage. Why am I not suprized of your ignorance? walter's low showings are embarrassingling pathetic...I mean, can you imagine ever Colossus getting taken down by rifles or Sabretooth claiming he can take down Colossus....I don't care what writer is writing a story, they will never depict Colossus as so weak.

You're heavily pumping up Walter because you're a sas-wanking buffoon!

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Havok said they were only halfway through that sequence though. Colossus' might have been the next one.

The problem is: Why would he make mention of Colossus at all if he weren't relatively close. If he was way below Colossus level when he began to struggle I doubt he would've been used for comparison. I think the writer meant to suggest he was close.

Originally posted by Starscream M
walter's low showings are embarrassingling pathetic...I mean, can you imagine ever Colossus getting taken down by rifles or Sabretooth claiming he can take down Colossus....I don't care what writer is writing a story, they will never depict Colossus as so weak.

You're heavily pumping up Walter because you're a sas-wanking buffoon!

haha oh my you are a troll. You do know Hulk's low showings have him taken out by a kiss, a snake (not magical not a super snake) choking him out, getting one-shotted by Wrecker, etc. If you merely go by one bad showing your a fool as that instance completly contradicts all his other showings. There even was a thread about that comic, and everyone literally called it the worst series they read

A buffoon? right thats why I one of the most respected and knowledgable members on the board and every thread your in your called an ignorant troll. Try again

Originally posted by -K-M-
haha oh my you are a troll. You do know Hulk's low showings have him taken out by a kiss, a snake (not magical not a super snake) choking him out, getting one-shotted by Wrecker, etc. If you merely go by one bad showing your a fool as that instance completly contradicts all his other showings. There even was a thread about that comic, and everyone literally called it the worst series they read

A buffoon? right thats why I one of the most respected and knowledgable members on the board and every thread your in your called an ignorant troll. Try again you trolled me first, by accusing me of being ignorant.

also, when did this hulk PIS thing happen? was it recent or some oldy? The Sas event was pretty recent. Also, one is ludicrous (hulk being choked by a snake) while the other is not (sas never claimed he is bulletproof).

Originally posted by Starscream M
you trolled me first, by accusing me of being ignorant.

also, when did this hulk PIS thing happen? was it recent or some oldy? The Sas event was pretty recent. Also, one is ludicrous (hulk being choked by a snake) while the other is not (sas never claimed he is bulletproof).

Actually no I didn't. You came in here first going off-topic and told inaccurate and made laughable claims such as Walter cant hurt Colossus, etc.

Fairly recent, before WWH though. Actually the Sas thing was around the same time as Hulk low showings. Actually wrong again he has stated and shown to be bulletproof as he has took machine gun armor peircing bullets with no affect. Your not helping your case

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The problem is: Why would he make mention of Colossus at all if he weren't relatively close. If he was way below Colossus level when he began to struggle I doubt he would've been used for comparison. I think the writer meant to suggest he was close.

They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually no I didn't. You came in here first going off-topic and told inaccurate and made laughable claims such as Walter cant hurt Colossus, etc.

Fairly recent, before WWH though. Actually the Sas thing was around the same time as Hulk low showings. Actually wrong again he has stated and shown to be bulletproof as he has took machine gun armor peircing bullets with no affect. Your not helping your case when did Sas ever state he was bulletproof?

Havok was shocked Juggy became so weak. That's why he was shocked Juggy was struggling with that weight.

Originally posted by Starscream M
when did Sas ever state he was bulletproof?

Alpha Flight vol.1 before his "death"

Originally posted by -K-M-
Alpha Flight vol.1 before his "death" what was his exact quote?

I'm bulletproof???

Originally posted by KingD19
They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

Not necessairly

Once again how do we know Colossus wasn't straining himself at those levels? and as mentioned Jugz arms were not sagging so he was not faltering and could take extra weight. How much is unknown.

Originally posted by KingD19
They mentioned Colossus because he's the X-Men's resident strong man, no one on the team can match him physically. And what they said was, Juggs wasn't even at Colossus level yet, which implied that he was at least a bit away from it, otherwise they would've said something like, your almost at Colossus' level.

And since he was showing so much strain, I don't know if he would have made it to, or past Colossus level. Since usually someones level is something they're comfortable at, something that's standard for them. So if he was straining to get to where Colossus is normally, then him getting to or past it is hard to imagine.

This doesn't make any sense. Havok says he's not at Colossus level yet at the point where Cain was struggling. Why would that be relevant if he wasn't close?

It was clear he was nearly there and would've reached that point. Also, it's never mentioed whether or not Colossus was struggling like Cain was at that weight. Everyone is assuming Colossus would be holding up the same weight no problem.

Because he was pointing out that Juggernaut was weakened to the point that a weight not even at Colossus level was giving him trouble. And like I said, someones level is usually their standard, or something they're comfortable at, for instance, I used to bench about 310, I could do 2 sets of 10, that was my level, I was comfortable at that.

It's not clear at all that he was nearly there, he could've been a few hundred pounds away, or a couple tons, there's no way to tell, but from the dialouge it wasn't too close.

He was sweating but he wasn't sagging. At my peak I don't ask people to throw more weight on the bar, it's that simple. He's sweating and visually struggling to some degree but he asks "Who says I'm struggling?" and then says to put more weight on.

I'm not saying he's stronger than Colossus, but I don't think Colossus is stronger than he was either.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what was his exact quote?

along the lines of, "...don't worry about me, my thick hide can stop bullets" and also Walter was said to possess metahuman durabilty, "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury" and "..the limits of his resistance are not known, but he has, for instance, withstood armor-pericing machine gun fire"

Originally posted by -K-M-
along the lines of, "...don't worry about me, my thick hide can stop bullets" and also Walter was said to possess metahuman durabilty, "able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures, and concussions without sustaining injury" and "..the limits of his resistance are not known, but he has, for instance, withstood armor-pericing machine gun fire" that quote doesn't seem to indicate he is 100% bulletproof, like Colossus is

I mean, I could wear a kevlar vest and claim it will stop bullets, but the fact is powerful bullets would tear through it

I think Walter may be bulletproof against low caliber ammunition, but high powered amunition can pierce him.

and is that from wiki?

You ever stop to think that, hey it's the Juggernaut, the guy whose been physically unstoppable for years. Now that his strength is reduced, maybe he'll put on a front, he doesn't want people to think he's weak???

Originally posted by Starscream M
that quote doesn't seem to indicate he is 100% bulletproof, like Colossus is

I mean, I could wear a kevlar vest and claim it will stop bullets, but the fact is powerful bullets would tear through it

I think Walter may be bulletproof against low caliber ammunition, but high powered amunition can pierce him.

and is that from wiki?

Actually is does, did you not read it? and Im sorry whats better then armor peircing machine gun fire? You think kevlar will stop armor peircing machine gun fire? What do you think that caliber is? Your trolling again

No.

Except his unstoppability isn't tied to his physical strength and no, I don't think that. He's clearly NOT at his limit in that scene or he'd be struggling way more and not asking for more weight. Also, when Bobby stops the machine it shows Juggernaut standing down there asking "Hey, what gives?" and a few moments later he's up in the booth talking to them. Neither show him bent over panting or greatly fatigued.

You don't have to be bent over or panting to be fatigued, you can be about to pass out and look just fine.

And what I meant by physically unstoppable, was that no one has been able to beat him in a brawl, no one.

And you honestly say he wasn't struggling, when it looked like his veins were about to explode out of his neck?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually is does, did you not read it? and Im sorry whats better then armor peircing machine gun fire? You think kevlar will stop armor peircing machine gun fire? What do you think that caliber is? Your trolling again

No. well, we still have onpanel evidence of him being shot...so that trumps your opinion of how sas should be portrayed

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, we still have onpanel evidence of him being shot...so that trumps your opinion of how sas should be portrayed

He got shot by armor pericing machine gunfire...on-panel

and that was not my opinion all that was stated by Marvel. Your trolling again

How is that struggling? I lift weights all the time and my veins pop up with every pump fatigued or not. It indicates an increase of blood flow to the muscles. That's suppose to happen, muscles are like vampires.

About to pass out and look just fine?

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Strength/Imposternaut/Xmen%20157/X-Men1572004Angrybadger-DCP-013.jpg

This is the very next page after Bobby shuts the power off in the bottom panel of the previous page. Does Juggernaut look fatigued there? Does he look like he's on the verge of passing out?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Your trolling again so wait, stating a fact onpanel now is akin to trolling if it displeases the great Mungi?! wow....I'm sorry then.

Originally posted by Starscream M
so wait, stating a fact onpanel now is akin to trolling if it displeases the great Mungi?! wow....I'm sorry then.

No you said my facts were opinion when I told you earlier they wern't and ignored evidence. That's the defintion of trolling

Originally posted by KingD19
You ever stop to think that, hey it's the Juggernaut, the guy whose been physically unstoppable for years. Now that his strength is reduced, maybe he'll put on a front, he doesn't want people to think he's weak??? This is the correct answer.

Originally posted by Starscream M
well, we still have onpanel evidence of him being shot...so that trumps your opinion of how sas should be portrayed That was a low showing because in the same story he was nearly killed by wooden spikes.

Originally posted by KingD19


It's not clear at all that he was nearly there, he could've been a few hundred pounds away, or a couple tons, there's no way to tell, but from the dialouge it wasn't too close. I agree.

I see the Colossus fan boys are out in full force. Going way out on a limb while grasping at straws and all.

I see you've taken to insults, while at the same time not putting up any evidence to convince me I'm wrong.

Colossus fanboys? Me? I much prefer Juggernaut.

Somebody post the scan of Juggies veins poppin out of his body, grinding his teeth, pouring sweet off himself, so we can see that Cain could handle more weight. Sh!t there was even trembling signs around Cain and the machine he was using.

Originally posted by KingD19
I see you've taken to insults, while at the same time not putting up any evidence to convince me I'm wrong.

I've done nothing but provide evidence. ALl you've done is speculate. "Well isn't it possible that Juggernauts pride wouldn't allow him to admit he couldn't lift anymore?"

How is that proof? Everything that happened on panel suggested he wasn't at his limit.