Molly Hayes (Runaways) vs Colossus

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Starscream M
Who wins?

Kris Blaze
Colossus.

He looked pretty superior during their brief scuffle as well.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Colossus.

He looked pretty superior during their brief scuffle as well.

when did they fight?

Kris Blaze
Originally posted by -Pr-
when did they fight?

Briefly in a runaways/x-men crossover.

She threw a car at him and he was unaffected.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Briefly in a runaways/x-men crossover.

She threw a car at him and he was unaffected.

ah, cool. i'll have to read it.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Colossus.

He looked pretty superior during their brief scuffle as well. I didn't know they tussled.

Any scans?

Starscream M
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Briefly in a runaways/x-men crossover.

She threw a car at him and he was unaffected. if that's all that happened, how does that show colossus to be superior? I'm sure the reverse would've been true as well, don't you agree?

snoopdogg
Originally posted by Starscream M
if that's all that happened, how does that show colossus to be superior? I'm sure the reverse would've been true as well, don't you agree? Yea, I agree that don't prove much I guess.

KingD19
Please say you got scans???

Because when Molly usually throws a car at somebody, they die.

snoopdogg
Originally posted by KingD19
Please say you got scans???

Because when Molly usually throws a car at somebody, they die. I don't know much about her. So maybe that was impressive.

KingD19
She nearly ko'd Wolverine with a casual backhand.

Her strength is pretty high up there, so, but tossing a car doesn't really do anything, so it might not be that impressive. I do agree that it would've been more memorable if she actually punched him or something.

Eternal Idol
Colossus punts her across a few state lines.

KingD19
I forgot about that, she's like 80lbs. Massive BFR if he gets a solid hit or grip on her.

Omega Vision
Better yet he could just pick up whatever she's standing on. His experience will come to play too. Her throwing a car isn't much of a feat, that's more or less the minimum requirement of having superhuman strength, otherwise its just called "enhanced strength" or something.
Colossus wins unless he underestimates her.

KingD19
If he doesn't BFR, he just keeps her on her toes until she gets sleepy. Or ko's her.

snoopdogg
Has she fought anybody over Class 50?

dmills
I believe her strength is psionic in nature so she really has no limits. I could be wrong but I believe in a normal state she's about class 50. Pissed off she's tossed monsters the size of buildings.

Omega Vision
How's her durability?

snoopdogg
We need to get scans of their encounter. If she can toss monsters the size of buildings she's got some power.

AsbestosFlaygon
I remember I saw a panel where she tossed a monster the size of buildings far into space.

dmills
Originally posted by Omega Vision
How's her durability? It seems to vary. Cage level is the least, Invulnerable at her highest.

dmills
Oh and the monster was the size of a los angeles sky scraper. That's a peek feat for her thus far. It's believed she can go much higher.

Omega Vision
Colossus better come in swinging and bring his A game then.

dmills
If she's uber pissed and has had a Mt dew Peter is in for a Looong day.

KingD19
I'm pretty sure she didn't toss it into space. She put her hands up, and caught it's foot, then complained about how it smelled like feet. She then tossed it backwards onto it's ass/back.

And yes, so far her strength has shown no limit, and neither has Pete's, I mean the guy caught a falling 300 ton ship while he was injured.

If she's angry and has something to keep her energy up, it would be an actual fight, but I could still see Colossus BFR'ing her if he gets a good hit or grip.

Kris Blaze
You guys don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? D:

Molly is faaaaar from Luke Cage's durability at the very least. At the very least she would barely be able to take punches from someone with minor super strength. She relies of caffeine and sugar to go way up there in strength. While she has very good strength for a short period of time, her stamina is really bad.

Some of her stuff:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv202017.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv202018.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runaways12p05.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runaways12p06.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page06.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page07.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv20142006Mendax-DCP06.jpg

Starscream M
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You guys don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? D:

Molly is faaaaar from Luke Cage's durability at the very least. At the very least she would barely be able to take punches from someone with minor super strength. She relies of caffeine and sugar to go way up there in strength. While she has very good strength for a short period of time, her stamina is really bad.

Some of her stuff:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv202017.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv202018.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runaways12p05.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runaways12p06.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page06.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv2012-page07.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Runaways/Runawaysv20142006Mendax-DCP06.jpg her strength seems to be greater than colossus...being able to pull off Cloak's cloak is damn impressive

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I didn't know they tussled.

Any scans?

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2360/img008zy0.jpg

And it just ends like this:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9954/img010hq1.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8980/img011sm0.jpg

-Pr-
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2360/img008zy0.jpg

And it just ends like this:

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9954/img010hq1.jpg
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/8980/img011sm0.jpg

what a load of crap.

Starscream M
Originally posted by -Pr-
what a load of crap. huh? why?

-Pr-
Originally posted by Starscream M
huh? why?

terrible characterisation. poor art.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by -Pr-
terrible characterisation. poor art.

'twas a free comic.

shiv
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
'twas a free comic.

you should start a Respect Thread

dmills
Blaze, what makes you say that she's far below Cage in durability? Is it the Marvel Boy fight?

KingD19
That did absolutely no damage to Colossus at all. He didn't even move.

snoopdogg
That doesn't help Mollies position imo. Colossus didn't even know she tossed a car at him it looks.

AsbestosFlaygon
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That doesn't help Mollies position imo. Colossus didn't even know she tossed a car at him it looks.
Are you freakin' blind?

He was looking directly at Molly when she lifted the car up.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That doesn't help Mollies position imo. Colossus didn't even know she tossed a car at him it looks.

Nah he did know, the look on his face is more shock that this little girl managed to pick up a car. To be honest it doesn't say either way...anyway Mollie will exhaust rather quick and if CIS is on I think Colossus has issues beating up children.

Starscream M
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think Colossus has issues beating up children. based on what?

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Starscream M
based on what?

Based on him being so pacifistic, calm and collected. The New X-Men are teens and he went easy on them. Molly Hayes is under 10 plus he did not engage her in battle during the crossover and the fact that her attitude reminds him of his sister Illyana.

dmills
^^^Exactly why he'd get BFR'D by Molly.

StyleTime
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
'twas a shit comic.

I went ahead and fixed that for you. wink

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by StyleTime
I went ahead and fixed that for you. wink

Not really, I kind of liked it, it was around the time when Emma had Scott neutered so she was kind of calling the shots post-HoM pre-MC/Unstoppable.

Kris Blaze
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Based on him being so pacifistic, calm and collected. The New X-Men are teens and he went easy on them. Molly Hayes is under 10 plus he did not engage her in battle during the crossover and the fact that her attitude reminds him of his sister Illyana.

She's 12.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
She's 12.

Still, she's a little girl that reminded him of his sister. BTW They called "her 5 or something" in New X-Men 43.

The Pict
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Colossus punts her across a few state lines.

erm Molly stopped a Skyscaper sized monster from taking a step by holding it up under it's foot! That's a huge amount of bones, flesh etc. She's as strong if not stronger than most class 100s IMO.

Also when she got a caffeine rush she threw the monster like it was nothing.

However her durability and tiring after using her strengthmight let her down.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Still, she's a little girl that reminded him of his sister. BTW They called "her 5 or something" in New X-Men 43.

She starts the series as 11. She later says she's 12 in an encounter with the Young Avengers.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by The Pict

She starts the series as 11. She later says she's 12 in an encounter with the Young Avengers.

Ah right, I was just wondering since Yost wrote New X-Men #43 and then took over Runaways whether or not would have changed as ages are easy to sweep under a rug.

Sin I AM
she aint beating colossus

snoopdogg
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Are you freakin' blind?

He was looking directly at Molly when she lifted the car up. Calm the f*ck down. It was a joke as to where he stood there and didn't even flinch.

Jesus f*cking christ.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Calm the f*ck down. It was a joke as to where he stood there and didn't even flinch.

Jesus f*cking christ.


potty mouth stick out tongue

Lostedge
How do you think Molly Hayes is going to win? Does he know h2h combat? Who do you think is going to win A tall man vs. A little girl? ... I do not give much credit to Colossus, but he can not lose ...

KingD19
Yeah, Molly's 12, and according to her, her mutant power makes her closer to 13.

As for Colossus not fighting her, and that training session with the New X-Men, he went easy on them because there was nothing they could do to hurt him. But he knows when to stop playing, when Rockslide tried to fight him during the mutant riots, he put him down rather quickly.

He'll fight her once he knows she's serious, and if he doesn't BFR or ko her, she'll tire herself out after fighting at full strength for a few minutes.

dmills
^^^Thing is, her full strength might be higher then his. I think he'd go easy at first and get bfr'd as a result.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah, Molly's 12, and according to her, her mutant power makes her closer to 13.

As for Colossus not fighting her, and that training session with the New X-Men, he went easy on them because there was nothing they could do to hurt him. But he knows when to stop playing, when Rockslide tried to fight him during the mutant riots, he put him down rather quickly.

He'll fight her once he knows she's serious, and if he doesn't BFR or ko her, she'll tire herself out after fighting at full strength for a few minutes.

I cannot imagine Colossus fighting a little girl. I'm sorry but comparing what he did to abnoxious loudmouthed Rockslide who is much older to hello kitty wearing Molly who reminds him of his sister is just wrong.

KingD19
He might not like it, but when he sees she's in his own strength range, and she can take a hit, he'll start taking it to her. You obviously don't know Colossus if you think he won't hit a girl whose strength is in the same range, and her durability might be as well.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by KingD19
He might not like it, but when he sees she's in his own strength range, and she can take a hit, he'll start taking it to her. You obviously don't know Colossus if you think he won't hit a girl whose strength is in the same range, and her durability might be as well.

Yes I obviously must not know Colossus because he's such a badass he smacks little girls all the way to Tokyo with their hello kitty umbrellas. He then has enough spare time to rescue cats from trees. If Layla Miller was still a kid I'd tell her to watch out. erm

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2663

KingD19
Lol, I don't know if remember me, but I'm the guy you threw a car at, and did absolutely no damage to.

Seriously though, he might not like it, but he's not just going to let someone as strong Molly pound on him once he figures out what she can do.

dmills
Originally posted by KingD19
Lol, I don't know if remember me, but I'm the guy you threw a car at, and did absolutely no damage to.

Seriously though, he might not like it, but he's not just going to let someone as strong Molly pound on him once he figures out what she can do. But it might be too late by then. Imagine him taking the attitude he had in their previous little encounter. Now imagine her BFRing him before he begins to take her seriously. I could see it going down that way.

snoopdogg
Is she stronger than Colossus?

KingD19
Her highest feat is tossing the monster on it's ass, something Colossus could do as well. We really don't know where her level is, but it's high.

dmills
Originally posted by KingD19
Her highest feat is tossing the monster on it's ass, something Colossus could do as well. We really don't know where her level is, but it's high. The monster was the size of a sky scraper right? Sky scrapers weigh in the 1000's of tons.

KingD19
The monster was the height of a skyscraper, but Thing did something similar a few years back, if Thing can do it, so can Colossus. Also, just because the monster is the height of a building, doesn't mean it's the same weight, a building is tons and tons of glass, iron, etc.... The monster is skin, muscle, bones, etc....

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by The Pict
erm Molly stopped a Skyscaper sized monster from taking a step by holding it up under it's foot! That's a huge amount of bones, flesh etc. She's as strong if not stronger than most class 100s IMO.

Also when she got a caffeine rush she threw the monster like it was nothing.

However her durability and tiring after using her strengthmight let her down.
Yeah, she tipped over an unsuspecting monster while it was taking a step forward... It's not the same as stopping a good metal kick from a genuine Class 100 brick like Colossus, especially since one of his legs is probably longer than Molly is tall.

The Pict
Originally posted by KingD19
Her highest feat is tossing the monster on it's ass, something Colossus could do as well. We really don't know where her level is, but it's high.

I dunno about that. The thing must have weighed thousands and thousand of tonnes. It was as big as a skyscraper. What is Colossus biggest strength feat?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Yeah, she tipped over an unsuspecting monster while it was taking a step forward... It's not the same as stopping a good metal kick from a genuine Class 100 brick like Colossus, especially since one of his legs is probably longer than Molly is tall.

She was holding it for a while. The rest of the team were having an argument while she was underfoot. It wasn't like she ran up and tipped it and ran off.

KingD19
He has a bunch, catching a 300+ ton ship while seriously injured, ripping open the gates of hell, I'll see if I can post some up.

And like I said, Thing did the same Thing, catching a monster, then throwing it backward, if Thing can do it, then so can Colossus.

And once again, like I said, just because it's big doesn't make it a couple thousand tons, Hank Pym gets a couple hundred feet tall, but he doesn't way tons.

The Pict
Originally posted by KingD19
He has a bunch, catching a 300+ ton ship while seriously injured, ripping open the gates of hell, I'll see if I can post some up.

And like I said, Thing did the same Thing, catching a monster, then throwing it backward, if Thing can do it, then so can Colossus.

And once again, like I said, just because it's big doesn't make it a couple thousand tons, Hank Pym gets a couple hundred feet tall, but he doesn't way tons.

Of course that's what it means. A skyscraper sized being full of muscle, bone, etc.

That usually happens to Hank actually. In Avengers: The Initiative he used his increased mass to take a Hydra mother/battleship out the sky. The things was massive, biggest object in the field. Must have weighed hundreds of thousand of tonnes but when Hank got on it the thing crashed out the sky.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8537/avengersinitiativev1hcp.th.jpg

KingD19
According to that scan, the only reason the ship veered off course is because he rapidly increased his weight on one section, and the ship couldn't compensate for the rapid weight increase. He's heavy sure, but not hundreds of thousands of tons, neither was the monster.

Thing did the exact same feat, caught a huge monster, the monster was so big Thing looked like a speck, then he tossed it into the air and on it's ass. Colossus can do it, there's no more point in arguing.

I'm not downplaying the feat, but her highest feat is something Colossus could do as well. I would actually put pulling Cloak's cloak off higher on the feat list, since tossing the monster was a Thing level feat.

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by The Pict
She was holding it for a while. The rest of the team were having an argument while she was underfoot. It wasn't like she ran up and tipped it and ran off.
She held it for a while, then finally toppled it when Nico gave her a boost. That's an impressive strength feat any which way you look at it, but it doesn't say a whole lot for her durability and dodging ability.

She gets punted.

The Pict
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
She held it for a while, then finally toppled it when Nico gave her a boost. That's an impressive strength feat any which way you look at it, but it doesn't say a whole lot for her durability and dodging ability.

She gets punted.

They were there to stop the monster, not dodge away from it. Also Molly went and stood under the Monster. The group exited the Leapfrog and Molly purposely went to the stand in it's path.



Originally posted by KingD19
According to that scan, the only reason the ship veered off course is because he rapidly increased his weight on one section, and the ship couldn't compensate for the rapid weight increase. He's heavy sure, but not hundreds of thousands of tons, neither was the monster.

Thing did the exact same feat, caught a huge monster, the monster was so big Thing looked like a speck, then he tossed it into the air and on it's ass. Colossus can do it, there's no more point in arguing.

I'm not downplaying the feat, but her highest feat is something Colossus could do as well. I would actually put pulling Cloak's cloak off higher on the feat list, since tossing the monster was a Thing level feat.

You're taking a feat by Thing and attributing it to Colossus? That's a weak argument man, proves nothing.

The fact is there was a skyscraper sized monster, weighing in the 1000s of tonnes (the size of the creature proves it, muscle, bone, fat, gallons and gallons of fluid are all heavy substances) and Molly stopped it's movement under her own power and toppled it when she got the caffeine rush (more awake)

If Colossus doesn't have a strength feat to match you can't use someone else's. The fact that Colossus and Thing are both 100+ level characters doesn't mean they are equal in strength. You don't have proof that Colossus could do what Molly did.

I'm not saying Molly wins, just she might be stronger than Colossus and that'd serve her well in the fight.

dmills
Originally posted by KingD19
According to that scan, the only reason the ship veered off course is because he rapidly increased his weight on one section, and the ship couldn't compensate for the rapid weight increase. He's heavy sure, but not hundreds of thousands of tons, neither was the monster.

Thing did the exact same feat, caught a huge monster, the monster was so big Thing looked like a speck, then he tossed it into the air and on it's ass. Colossus can do it, there's no more point in arguing.

I'm not downplaying the feat, but her highest feat is something Colossus could do as well. I would actually put pulling Cloak's cloak off higher on the feat list, since tossing the monster was a Thing level feat. I know that your not knocking the feat cool . It's a hell of a feat for someone her size. If she can go class 100+ as an 11 year old, I think it's safe to say that she could end up being the straonest person on Marvel Earth 616 when she grows up. What do you think?

dmills
I'm not saying Molly wins. I'm just she could bfr Peter if he treats her with kid gloves.

KingD19
Colossus is stronger than Thing, Thing did the exact same feat years before Molly was even introduced. Colossus could easily replicate the same thing, to say otherwise is nonsense. As for that monster, it couldn't have weighed more than a couple hundred tons.

And Colossus has ripped open the gates of Hell, Dr. Strange said no amount of mere strength from a mortal should have been able to open them.

He's also made his way through billions of tons of impregnable rock.

And he's held up a cavern that was a couple thousand tons. The cavern collapsed, and he held the roof, while the rest of the mountain was pressing down on him.

If she is stronger than him, she hasn't proved it yet.

I agree with you though Mills, since her power is psionic, theoretically, her strength limit is only in her mind, so there may be none. And yes, Colossus could get a bfr loss if he doesn't take her serious, he might put a hand on her head, then she tosses him across the city or something.

Ptr_Grifin
If the monster really weighed that much, wouldn't he just drive Molly into the ground when he stepped on her?

vansonbee
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If the monster really weighed that much, wouldn't he just drive Molly into the ground when he stepped on her? I know right?

That monster could just be hot air for all we know...

Molly durability is pretty damn low (fainted), considering she slightly got BFR by Captain Marvel during Runaways/Young Avenger.

Eternal Idol
Originally posted by The Pict
They were there to stop the monster, not dodge away from it. Also Molly went and stood under the Monster. The group exited the Leapfrog and Molly purposely went to the stand in it's path.

It's a great strength feat on her part, but it doesn't prove that she has the strength to stop an attack from Colossus dead in its tracks.

As far as I know, she doesn't have the speed or durability to deal with an attack of that magnitude. The monster's step can't be considered an attack. She just braced its weight until Nico gave her the boost to topple it over.

Doctor-Alvis
Originally posted by KingD19
Colossus is stronger than Thing, Thing did the exact same feat years before Molly was even introduced. Colossus could easily replicate the same thing, to say otherwise is nonsense. As for that monster, it couldn't have weighed more than a couple hundred tons.

I have to agree with other posters that you have to keep characters' wildly fluctuating strength levels for story purposes to themselves.

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