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Setting: New York City, all civilians evacuated.

Objective: Kill the other side.

Rules: No PIS/CIS

This is light side Marek (NOTE TO MODS: Marek DID originate in a video game)

This is Sora at his absolute peak

This is Kratos at the end of GoW2 WITHOUT his time controlling abilities

This is Dante at his peak (this does NOT include any time in which he becomes god-like/super duper powered due to some artifact or something, if he ever did).

Bloodlust: ON

Both sides have a decent knowledge of the other and have half an hour to make battle plans.

anyone?

I could be wrong, but if Galen Marek is who i think it is, he solo's the thread.

We sure are using New York a lot aren't we?

I'd say that t1 wins, but that's just me, and I don't know that much about Dante...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
anyone?

Kratos is a non-factor here. All he is is fodder in this thread .

Considering you've also hampered Dante (by not giving him access to (D)DT and such), SK and Final Form Sora win.

How is kratos a a know factor... he can still turn Starkiller into stone and thread creator is prob referring to Sparda dante.

Originally posted by Phanteros
How is kratos a a know factor... he can still turn Starkiller into stone and thread creator is prob referring to Sparda dante.

You have no clue who Starkiller is do you?

Originally posted by Phanteros
How is kratos a a know factor... he can still turn Starkiller into stone and thread creator is prob referring to Sparda dante.

Hm...well, I'm pretty sure that Galen could kill Kratos, I mean his lightsaber would slice any of Krato's weapons like a hot knife through butter.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Hm...well, I'm pretty sure that Galen could kill Kratos, I mean his lightsaber would slice any of Krato's weapons like a hot knife through butter.

Wouldn't exactly say that since most of his weapons are infused or created from Gods, Titans and magic. Their durability against lightsabers are kind of unknown. Not saying Kratos wins, just saying I wouldn't be surprised if SK couldn't cut through his blades.

starkiller force pushes team 2 into space with a flick of his wrist...or maybe he simply drops Mt Olympus on them

but srsly, galen solos

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't exactly say that since most of his weapons are infused or created from Gods, Titans and magic. Their durability against lightsabers are kind of unknown. Not saying Kratos wins, just saying I wouldn't be surprised if SK couldn't cut through his blades.

Well, a lightsaber has cut through material that can stop gigaton power explosions...

While Krato's blades have been blocked by regular soldiers with shields before, although this could simply be gameplay mechanics.

To be honest though, the lightsaber is simply a more powerful weapon and has better cutting feats by far.

Originally posted by MadMel
starkiller force pushes team 2 into space with a flick of his wrist...or maybe he simply drops Mt Olympus on them

but srsly, galen solos

Um...he can't move Mt Olympus in a reasonable amount of time...

Oh wait, it's a joke. nvm

i love how you said "he cant do it in a reasonable amount of time", not "he cant do it, period"

Originally posted by EvilAngel
You have no clue who Starkiller is do you? Yes I played the game thank you also I know He was killed by a large surge of lightning from palpatine. I was just stating He isn't exacly safe from petrification.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Well, a lightsaber has cut through material that can stop gigaton power explosions...

While Krato's blades have been blocked by regular soldiers with shields before, although this could simply be gameplay mechanics.

To be honest though, the lightsaber is simply a more powerful weapon and has better cutting feats by far.



Um...he can't move Mt Olympus in a reasonable amount of time...

Oh wait, it's a joke. nvm

The Blade of Olympus is greater than any and all lightsaber when it comes to power. the sabers have cut through human metals and stuff but nothing backed by magic. Claiming that they can easily cut through magic based weapons. I'm not saying the chains would obliterate a saber, just that I wouldn't be surprised if they could actually clash.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The Blade of Olympus is greater than any and all lightsaber when it comes to power. the sabers have cut through human metals and stuff but nothing backed by magic. Claiming that they can easily cut through magic based weapons. I'm not saying the chains would obliterate a saber, just that I wouldn't be surprised if they could actually clash.

Just because they were enhanced by the Gods doesn't mean that they can clash with sabers, since the blades don't contain the FULL power of the Gods AND have been stopped by shields and stuff.

Even then, Galen pwns him through TK.

The Blade of Olympus is more powerful than a lightsaber.

Galen Marek still solos though.

Originally posted by Phanteros
How is kratos a a know factor... he can still turn Starkiller into stone and thread creator is prob referring to Sparda dante.

GoW 2 Kratos is a non-factor . Even if he does have the BoO, he simply doesn't have the speed or reflexes required to stay even with SK and his force abilities.

Sparda-DT Dante falls under 'god-like/super duper powered'. Fact is, DT itself falls under 'super duper powered'.
As a result, the best Dante we have is DMC 4 Dante. He's incredibly powerful, but he isn't powerful enough to fight off those two.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't exactly say that since most of his weapons are infused or created from Gods, Titans and magic. Their durability against lightsabers are kind of unknown. Not saying Kratos wins, just saying I wouldn't be surprised if SK couldn't cut through his blades.

Correct. Even so, Kratos doesn't have the necessary speed imo.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Yes I played the game thank you also I know He was killed by a large surge of lightning from palpatine. I was just stating He isn't exacly safe from petrification.

But that is assuming (rather unwittingly) that he can get it out in time before he meets with any number of ends Gelen can perform to finish this mismatch

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
GoW 2 Kratos is a non-factor . Even if he does have the BoO, he simply doesn't have the speed or reflexes required to stay even with SK and his force abilities. Considering he can deflect lightning bolts thrown by Zeus...

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering he can deflect lightning bolts thrown by Zeus...

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu281/BlueTileSpook/not_this_shit_again.jpg

Well not even counting the lightning he hits you with at the end, there is the lightning he throws at you throughout the fight that is deflectable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering he can deflect lightning bolts thrown by Zeus...

Only due to him putting up the fleece as a barrier, which I doubt will work against SK. That's irrelevant though.

I seriously doubt he has the reflexes to roll away in time to actually dodge said Lightning Bolts which were slowed down for gameplay.

Fact is, LB's in the GoW-verse are toned down in power. They go from being able to hurt Titans (assumedly) to being able to only destroy buildings. Who is to say the thrown speed wasn't decreased?

whats stopping starkiller from snapping kratos' neck with TK the second the match starts?

Originally posted by MadMel
whats stopping starkiller from snapping kratos' neck with TK the second the match starts? Not arguing on that.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only due to him putting up the fleece as a barrier, which I doubt will work against SK. That's irrelevant though.

I seriously doubt he has the reflexes to roll away in time to actually dodge said Lightning Bolts which were slowed down for gameplay.

Fact is, LB's in the GoW-verse are toned down in power. They go from being able to hurt Titans (assumedly) to being able to only destroy buildings. Who is to say the thrown speed wasn't decreased? Only destroying buildings? that is a power control not speed. Why will zeus need to decrease his throwing speed when he plans to kill Kratos? decreasing his speed means he isn't planning to kill him and its the input of the attack that counts not the output.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Only destroying buildings? that is a power control not speed. Why will zeus need to decrease his throwing speed when he plans to kill Kratos? decreasing his speed means he isn't planning to kill him and its the input of the attack that counts not the output.

You don't get it do you?
Zeus' thunderbolts were viewed as lightning by the 'mortals' in the myths iirc. When Zeus attacks Sparta, I doubt the speed he throws them at equals the speed of lightning. If his Thunder bolts were as powerful as in the myths, he wouldn't have needed to come down to Sparta and stamp around in the first place.

Originally posted by Phanteros
How is kratos a a know factor... he can still turn Starkiller into stone and thread creator is prob referring to Sparda dante.

Not before Starkiller chokes Kratos to death and cut his head off.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering he can deflect lightning bolts thrown by Zeus...

Which he saw coming...

Do you know how good your reflexes and perception skills have to be to be able to see lightning coming at you and have enough time to deflect it?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you know how good your reflexes and perception skills have to be to be able to see lightning coming at you and have enough time to deflect it?

They do, they just think Kratos is that good.

I however, do not

Honestly, I'm not saying Kratos beats Galen, in fact I'm saying he doesn't. I'm simply here defending the clash of weapons. I find that the proof that a saber can cut through his magic based weapons because they can be blocked by human weapons is just insane and faulty logic.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you know how good your reflexes and perception skills have to be to be able to see lightning coming at you and have enough time to deflect it?

My point exactly.

Originally posted by iChaos
My point exactly.

My mistake, I apologize. I thought you tried to discredit him for that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Blade of Olympus is more powerful than a lightsaber.


Proof?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you know how good your reflexes and perception skills have to be to be able to see lightning coming at you and have enough time to deflect it?

How do you know that the lightning was literally lightning? Did he actually block it or did he just withstand it (I forgot...)? Also, he wouldn't be able to block a lightsaber, so it wouldn't matter.


Galen TKs him to bits.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Proof?
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Though I'm not certain if the blade is nearly as powerful in Kratos' hands.

Also:
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the BoO did wipe out an entire army with a single swing when zeus used it
and it did pwn the titans just by being stabbed into the ground..

but thats pretty irrelevant, considering SK could solo this match with a snap of his fingers..

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Proof?



How do you know that the lightning was literally lightning? Did he actually block it or did he just withstand it (I forgot...)? Also, he wouldn't be able to block a lightsaber, so it wouldn't matter.


Galen TKs him to bits.

If it wasn't real lightning then it was energy from the God of all Gods which would be above lightning. You have still yet to prove that a lightsaber can cut through magically based weapons.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If it wasn't real lightning then it was energy from the God of all Gods which would be above lightning. You have still yet to prove that a lightsaber can cut through magically based weapons.

It has cut through materials that can resist gigaton power explosions.

Not a single material in all of SW can COMPLETELY stop a lightsaber blade, although some can short it out/resist it. This is in a highly advanced galaxy. The Blade of Olympus gets blocked by guys with shields.

And no, I can't "prove" with 100% certainty that it can, since there aren't any magically based weapons in SW that a lightsaber could've been tested on.

About the lightning...but do you have proof that it went at lightspeed? Because if so then he should've been able to block/dodge that giant thingy that Ares threw at him in GoW quite easily.


OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't notice that we were talking about the Blade of Olympus, not Krato's usual blades. nvm...

(note not arguing about the fight)

Kratos in the temple was quite more focus on the pandora's box that on and and object that he didn't even know was coming at him.

Blah, blah, blah. What proof do you have?

Originally posted by iChaos
Blah, blah, blah. What proof do you have? Proof of what? The spear?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It has cut through materials that can resist gigaton power explosions.

Not a single material in all of SW can COMPLETELY stop a lightsaber blade, although some can short it out/resist it. This is in a highly advanced galaxy. The Blade of Olympus gets blocked by guys with shields.

And no, I can't "prove" with 100% certainty that it can, since there aren't any magically based weapons in SW that a lightsaber could've been tested on.

About the lightning...but do you have proof that it went at lightspeed? Because if so then he should've been able to block/dodge that giant thingy that Ares threw at him in GoW quite easily.


OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't notice that we were talking about the Blade of Olympus, not Krato's usual blades. nvm...

Who said anything about that lightning being light speed?

You have proof that it can cut through human made materials, but nothing forged by Gods which is my point. You can't apply real world physics to magic.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Proof of what? The spear?

Proof that he didn't have focus on the spear.

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Thanks for proving he was looking straight ahead (knowing it was coming).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only due to him putting up the fleece as a barrier, which I doubt will work against SK. That's irrelevant though.

I seriously doubt he has the reflexes to roll away in time to actually dodge said Lightning Bolts which were slowed down for gameplay.

Fact is, LB's in the GoW-verse are toned down in power. They go from being able to hurt Titans (assumedly) to being able to only destroy buildings. Who is to say the thrown speed wasn't decreased? He can do so to the bolts Zeus throws as well.

What they appeared like in gameplay is irrelevant, does not change the speed, I can see a bullet flying at me in say Ninja Gaiden, should we assume that it was because the bullets are slower, or should we make the (Correct) assumption that they slowed it down for the player?

Toned down in power? You ever seen a lightning bolt shatter a building sir? Or hurt a being as large as a mountain? If anything they are more powerful.

How do you know Atlas was hurt?

Originally posted by iChaos
Thanks for proving he was looking straight ahead (knowing it was coming). He was busy pushing Pandora's Box, but you probably know that, troll.

Originally posted by iChaos
How do you know Atlas was hurt? Gee, it couldn't be the fact that he was stunned and visibly expressing pain was it?

Is this a conscious effort?

He had stopped pushing it. And if he blocked lighting lighting as you said (or rathed "reacted", that shouldn't be a problem. Now shut the **** up.

Originally posted by iChaos
Which he saw coming... Your point is?

Superman can see a bullet coming, should we assume the bullet is slow?

Originally posted by iChaos
He had stopped pushing it. And if he blocked lighting lighting as you said (or rathed "reacted", that shouldn't be a problem. Now shut the **** up. calm down, man...

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gee, it couldn't be the fact that he was stunned and visibly expressing pain was it?

Is this a conscious effort?

No.

Originally posted by iChaos
He had stopped pushing it. And if he blocked lighting lighting as you said (or rathed "reacted", that shouldn't be a problem. Now shut the **** up. We saw him for a very brief moment before being impaled by the pillar, which was sent flying miles in seconds.

Don't get pissy at me just because you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Originally posted by iChaos
No. The alternative does not bode well for you then.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your point is?

Superman can see a bullet coming, should we assume the bullet is slow?

Too bad this isn't about Superman.

Originally posted by NemeBro
We saw him for a very brief moment before being impaled by the pillar, which was sent flying miles in seconds.

Don't get pissy at me just because you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Actually, he was standing in the clear open.

Originally posted by iChaos
Too bad this isn't about Superman. It is the same thing.

Just because Kratos can see it coming does not mean it is slower than it actually is, although you should have gotten the point the first time.

Originally posted by iChaos
Too bad this isn't about Superman. he was using it as a relevancy to the topic.

Originally posted by iChaos
Actually, he was standing in the clear open. he was standing half to the side of the box. and you act as if that Piller was slow.

Originally posted by iChaos
Actually, he was standing in the clear open. He was right next to Pandora's Box.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Just because Kratos can see it coming does not mean it is slower than it actually is, although you should have gotten the point the first time.

He saw lighting coming, and he "reacted" to that.

He was standing out in the open far enough to get hit but, by your logic, he was pushing it.

Originally posted by iChaos
He saw lighting coming, and he "reacted" to that.

He was standing out in the open far enough to get hit but, by your logic, he was pushing it. What is your point? Assuming you have one and are not just spouting mindless garbage.

Because you totally cannot be hit while pushing it right?

Couldn't move out of the way by a stupid pillar? Exactly.

Because he wasn't, lol.

Originally posted by iChaos
Couldn't move out of the way by a stupid pillar? Exactly.

Because he wasn't, lol. You mean a piller that was crossing miles in seconds....

Originally posted by Phanteros
You mean a piller that was crossing miles in seconds....

the speed of light > miles in seconds

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
the speed of light > miles in seconds Lightning doesn't move at light speed......

Photons and electrons do however.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He can do so to the bolts Zeus throws as well.

What they appeared like in gameplay is irrelevant, does not change the speed, I can see a bullet flying at me in say Ninja Gaiden, should we assume that it was because the bullets are slower, or should we make the (Correct) assumption that they slowed it down for the player?

Toned down in power? You ever seen a lightning bolt shatter a building sir? Or hurt a being as large as a mountain? If anything they are more powerful.

You're right about that. Though my point was that Kratos could only roll out of the way as the bolts were slowed down for us.

(Kirin obliterated most of that hill )

lolwut? Shatter buildings? They only destroyed parts of buildings. Something that real-world lightning is capable of, never mind myth-Zeus bolts. He caused more damage by stamping around. Then we have the case of the Last Spartan tanking the bolts. Even if he is a demigod, he wouldn't have survived a bolt by Zeus in the myths.
Also, when did Zeus hurt a titan with his Lightning bolts?

Originally posted by Phanteros
You mean a piller that was crossing miles in seconds....

Actual lightning crosses miles in a single second .

The difference here being that Kratos was expecting the LB's. If you expect something, your chances at reacting to said thing are better, that's common sense.

Besides, Kratos was next to the box, but he was looking ahead . It's possible he was tired from his ordeals and pushing that box (lol wtf, was Athena going to have him take that box to Athens?).

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
the speed of light > miles in seconds

Lightspeed? Where the hell did you get that?

I will answer your post later DP, tired.

But he likely got that as a common misconception, electricity does travel at light speed, but air friction makes lightning slower, average speed being about 60,000 meters per second.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Besides, Kratos was next to the box, but he was looking ahead . It's possible he was tired from his ordeals and pushing that box (lol wtf, was Athena going to have him take that box to Athens?).

Actually, he could've opened the box any time he got ready.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I will answer your post later DP, tired.

But he likely got that as a common misconception, electricity does travel at light speed, but air friction makes lightning slower, average speed being about 60,000 meters per second.

Save yourself the time and don't answer at all, FOOLISH MORTAL!

Fair enough. I hope that is the case >__>.

Putting Sora in any thread is spite for Sora's side.

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Originally posted by Shutter Control
Putting Sora in any thread is spite for Sora's side.

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Not really :P

Originally posted by NemeBro
I will answer your post later DP, tired.

But he likely got that as a common misconception, electricity does travel at light speed, but air friction makes lightning slower, average speed being about 60,000 meters per second.

True, but 60,000 meters per second is still FAR faster than however fast Ares threw that pillar.

Not that it matters, as Galen could just ragdoll Kratos via TK.

isnt that whats ive been trying to with, idk, every post i made here?

LOL, have you people seen what Galen has done to all those big monsters, same is gonna happen to Kratos. I know that Kratos is much bigger , but size means nothing to him boy, he's a jedi.
He will choke him all day, until he dies. Starkiller will use lighting which will end Kratos life up.
mm , lets go easy way , Starkiller is going to toss all three of them to the sun, sure no one will survive that.

Galen is a lot less durable than Kratos though.

He got killed by some puny force lightning.

Its debatable if I'm understanding it correctly, but Marek pretty much survived freefalling from the lower atmosphere: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Lj0hIXmjA

Note that he does soething wierd with the Tie fighter that may have slowed him momentum though, but that he took no damage from ramming into the thing at frickin' terminal volocity.

Plus it wasn't the lightning that killed him, Galen suicide bombed himself with the Force. And that 'puny force lightning' has completely disintergrated beings before.

No one in this thread even comes close to Starkiller. He could kill them all with relative ease.

Galen Marek's power over the Force is looking pretty absurd, what with vaping a forest and stuff... Which did not even knock Vader back.

Well at least he hasn't been compared to a super-massive black hole yet.

Well there are more impressive showings of Force power in SW, like Sidious and Nihilus and stuff.