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Takes place in a metal warehouse.

I'd kinda have to say Hulk in this scenario.

Someone that can resist Blackbolt's electron-rendering scream could certainly take whatever blood rip Magneto tries to pull...

And all of that metal is just going to be bouncing off the Hulk unless the warehouse happens to be packaging or storing adamantium.

Seems like the Hulk would wade through the steel storm and beat on Magneto.

Except for Magneto's shields, I suppose. I dunno how the Hulk would be able to get through them. .

Then again, he could outlast Magneto on sheer stamina, and THEN break him into itty bitty pieces...

Magneto's a smart man, close quarters he'd know he wouldn't stand much chance.

I reckon he'd go for the win via BFR, 'cause otherwise WWH would keep coming and coming and make him pay for it.

Magneto 7/10.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Magneto's a smart man, close quarters he'd know he wouldn't stand much chance.

I reckon he'd go for the win via BFR, 'cause otherwise WWH would keep coming and coming and make him pay for it.

Magneto 7/10.

Perhaps. I suppose I was excluding the BFR options. :-\.

Originally posted by Soljer
Perhaps. I suppose I was excluding the BFR options. :-\.

Yeah, it's a cheap win, it's the only way I see him winning it though.

Gotta agree with you if we're talking without BFR.

What does BFR stand for?

Battlefield removal.

It's when you remove your opponent from the battlefield against their will, and they are unable to return under their own power.

If it's in the comic then WW Hulk wins.

On KMC Magneto wins.

Originally posted by Badabing
If it's in the comic then WW Hulk wins.

On KMC Magneto wins.

Elaborate on either/both?

Originally posted by Soljer
Battlefield removal.

It's when you remove your opponent from the battlefield against their will, and they are unable to return under their own power.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Soljer
Elaborate on either/both?

Everyone in comics at the moment is jobbing to Hulk, because obviously he can't lose to anyone until the very end yet he's fighting everyone because it'll boost comic sales. Thus forth they're being written down, jobbing to the Hulk and allowing him to win because they aren't being written to the best of their abilities.

On KMC, everyone HAS to fight to the best of their ability, and Magneto performing to the best of his ability and not jobbing, would be able to beat the Hulk.

If you get that?

Originally posted by Soljer
Elaborate on either/both? I'm starting to get really dured off at you. durfist

In the WW Hulk arc, Hulk has basically beaten every team and the US Military. I doubt the writers would have Magneto beat Hulk in the WW Hulk comics. Just my opinion but it's backed up by his showings.

On KMC, we are using the Versus Forum rules which both characters are at their best without writers stroking a character and without PIS. Magneto wraps Hulk in scrap metal and sends him into orbit. Mags wins by BFR.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Everyone in comics at the moment is jobbing to Hulk, because obviously he can't lose to anyone until the very end yet he's fighting everyone because it'll boost comic sales. Thus forth they're being written down, jobbing to the Hulk and allowing him to win because they aren't being written to the best of their abilities.

On KMC, everyone HAS to fight to the best of their ability, and Magneto performing to the best of his ability and not jobbing, would be able to beat the Hulk.

If you get that?

I was asking Bada - I realize the difference between Comics and KMC, but I know Bada is a true, to the core, Hulk fan. So I wanted HIS elaboration on his stances.

Originally posted by Soljer
I was asking Bada - I realize the difference between Comics and KMC, but I know Bada is a true, to the core, Hulk fan. So I wanted HIS elaboration on his stances. Did I answer your question? durhuc

Originally posted by Badabing
Did I answer your question? durhuc
More or less.

Originally posted by Citizen V
Everyone in comics at the moment is jobbing to Hulk, because obviously he can't lose to anyone until the very end yet he's fighting everyone because it'll boost comic sales. Thus forth they're being written down, jobbing to the Hulk and allowing him to win because they aren't being written to the best of their abilities.

On KMC, everyone HAS to fight to the best of their ability, and Magneto performing to the best of his ability and not jobbing, would be able to beat the Hulk.

If you get that?

I got it and I agree.

Originally posted by Soljer
I was asking Bada - I realize the difference between Comics and KMC, but I know Bada is a true, to the core, Hulk fan. So I wanted HIS elaboration on his stances.



I know, I just wanted to upstage Bada.

barring bft, Magneto dies .
I'd like to see Hulk go at Magneto's shields full force... I'm certain he'd break through but, it'd be an interesting struggle.

Originally posted by janus77
barring bft, Magneto dies .
I'd like to see Hulk go at Magneto's shields full force... I'm certain he'd break through but, it'd be an interesting struggle.

Galactus failed to, but the Hulk would succeed?

Originally posted by Citizen V
Everyone in comics at the moment is jobbing to Hulk, because obviously he can't lose to anyone until the very end yet he's fighting everyone because it'll boost comic sales. Thus forth they're being written down, jobbing to the Hulk and allowing him to win because they aren't being written to the best of their abilities.

On KMC, everyone HAS to fight to the best of their ability, and Magneto performing to the best of his ability and not jobbing, would be able to beat the Hulk.

If you get that?

You beat me to it, nice nice sum up of things, can magneto still blood rip/ induce anerisms?

Originally posted by Soljer
Galactus failed to, but the Hulk would succeed?

is Galactus strength limitless?

Galactus was beaten by Ego, Ego by Surfer...
Galactus blasted Hulk, Hulk survived, does that mean Hulk's durability >> Galactus' power?

Galactus shouldn't fail, full stop. stupid event thing to refer to really.

do you really think Hulk wouldn't get through Magneto's shields if he kept pummeling?

he got through barriers and containment devices said to be unbreakable by the High Evolutionary. Magneto's still a human at the end of the day, he's not going to hold up to the kind of sustained attack Hulk can deliver.

Tell me, what HAS broken through Magneto's shields?

I believe magneto's shield upheld to 1 galactus blast and a second 1 would crumble his shields kinda like Thanos's (i could be wrong tho) galactus has unlimited i believe providing well fed. I believe Mag's shields are scientificly the strongest available but since galactuses blasts are cosmic energy, they arent necessarily bound by science. Personnally i dont think Hulk can physically break his shields because of how they work (they provide a force equal to the attacking force directly back at the attacking force via electron repulsion which is why the shield only needs to be 1 molecule thick. It really doesnt have too much to do with the force opposing since the shields will counter with an equal force each time.

and Hulk has broken through energy fields before. it's very much the kind of thing he would do.

Originally posted by Soljer
Tell me, what HAS broken through Magneto's shields?
so, you're seriously suggesting that Galactus shouldn't be able to break through Magneto's shield?

Galactus would power through mags shields easily if he truely cared IMO
Hulk of course has broken through many things of "indestructable" class but those things were actually measured in durability, and mag's shields are equally strong to no matter what force is against it unless its a magic/cosmic force

Originally posted by Citizen V


I know, I just wanted to upstage Bada. I hope people steal more of your baked desserts! madfist

Originally posted by janus77
and Hulk has broken through energy fields before. it's very much the kind of thing he would do.

lol

I havent witnessed anything breaking through magneto forcefield yet. I have seen his forcefield take 2 nukes and he flew off just fine.

Originally posted by carver9
I havent witnessed anything breaking through magneto forcefield yet. I have seen his forcefield take 2 nukes and he flew off just fine.

THats cause mags is smart enough not to purposelly take attacks that he know will break his shield or pass through it

Originally posted by Badabing
I hope people steal more of your baked desserts! madfist



















Oh hell no! cry.

You hurt me Bada, you hurt me real bad.

Originally posted by Soljer
Tell me, what HAS broken through Magneto's shields?

Wind durfist

Originally posted by Citizen V
Oh hell no! cry.

You hurt me Bada, you hurt me real bad. Sorry...durflowers

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
THats cause mags is smart enough not to purposelly take attacks that he know will break his shield or pass through it

Really? What attacks exactly would he not like to encounter with his shield up? 'Cause it sure as hell looked like he took this assault like nothing:

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg

Hulk's punches have: lit up a dark universe, destroyed and asteroid twice the size of Easth and cracked Onslaught's armor like and egg. I'm sure Magento's shield will fall as well.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk's punches have: lit up a dark universe, destroyed and asteroid twice the size of Easth and cracked Onslaught's armor like and egg. I'm sure Magento's shield will fall as well.

Quiet, DevilGoblin.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Quiet, DevilGoblin. durfist

Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk's punches have: lit up a dark universe, destroyed and asteroid twice the size of Easth and cracked Onslaught's armor like and egg. I'm sure Magento's shield will fall as well.

He was propelled towards the asteroid when he collided with it. It was a durability showing rather than a strength showing.

Onslaught let a 'mindless' Hulk crack his armor open.

Originally posted by batdude123
He was propelled towards the asteroid when he collided with it. It was a durability showing rather than a strength showing.

Onslaught let a 'mindless' Hulk crack his armor open. It's okay petpet Lighting up a dark universe is still>>>>>>Magneto's shield.

Originally posted by Badabing
It's okay petpet Lighting up a dark universe is still>>>>>>Magneto's shield.

http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=defenders01508nb1.jpg

This is WWH not Savage Hulk......313

and Magneto's evolved a great deal since the days of the wide-body purple underpants .

even if the metal isnt adamantium magneto could send it through hulk with a sharp enough point and at a fast enough velocity to cause conciderable damage...if he sends a whole barrage of them at hulk there wouldnt be alot left of him lets say magneto dismantles a building or an air craft carrier and turns it into thousands of these super sharp objects...

Originally posted by norrinradd43
even if the metal isnt adamantium magneto could send it through hulk with a sharp enough point and at a fast enough velocity to cause conciderable damage...if he sends a whole barrage of them at hulk there wouldnt be alot left of him lets say magneto dismantles a building or an air craft carrier and turns it into thousands of these super sharp objects...

That would really be the worst plan possible.

ok then just drop the air craft carrier on top of him...I dont think its that bad of a plan really...mass impailment sounds pretty good

there are many more things magneto could do...I was just using the base alloy of his powers

Originally posted by norrinradd43
ok then just drop the air craft carrier on top of him...I dont think its that bad of a plan really...mass impailment sounds pretty good

Against a guy who almost shrugged off the US Army and who feeds on rage? Not to mention the presence of a powerful healing factor.

Impaling him isn't going to do much good.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That would really be the worst plan possible.

Indeed. The Hulk would just become pissed, and that much more formidable.

im not talking about just one impalement, I mean impale him until there is nothing left but bones.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
im not talking about just one impalement, I mean impale him until there is nothing left but bones.

Thats called "un fillet du Hulk" and he's come back from close to that in the past.

Besides why is he letting Magneto tear him to bits like that?

it would happen very fast...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats called "un fillet du Hulk" and he's come back from close to that in the past.

Besides why is he letting Magneto tear him to bits like that?

because there's absolutely nothing he can do if Magneto shoots a million razor sharp metals at him at bullet velocity

Originally posted by masterbruce
because there's absolutely nothing he can do if Magneto shoots a million razor sharp metals at him at bullet velocity

He could laugh as they bounce off and then slap him upside the head.

Originally posted by masterbruce
because there's absolutely nothing he can do if Magneto shoots a million razor sharp metals at him at bullet velocity

Except happily let them bounce off his hide.

magneto would make them sharp enough and moving fast enought that that wouldnt be the case...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He could laugh as they bounce off and then slap him upside the head.

hulk's skin isn't resistant to sharp fast moving metal last time I checked, correct me if Im wrong

Originally posted by norrinradd43
magneto would make them sharp enough and moving fast enought that that wouldnt be the case...

Counterpoint: Hulk would be durable enough for that not to be the case!

Magneto could certainly compensate for whatever his skin can take...magneto can move/lift metal with over class 100 strenght and class 100s do make WWH bleed when they hit him so breaking his skin shouldnt be too big of an issue.

Originally posted by masterbruce
hulk's skin isn't resistant to sharp fast moving metal last time I checked, correct me if Im wrong

He broke Hawkeye's arrows on his eyelids. He didn't seem to be doing badly after the army had been shooting him. Wolverine threw himself at Hulk to no avail.

He's less resistant yes. But still very resistant.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Magneto could certainly compensate for whatever his skin can take...magneto can move/lift metal with over class 100 strenght and class 100s do make WWH bleed when they hit him so breaking his skin shouldnt be too big of an issue.

You know your not really making an argument right?

You can keep saying Magneto will do it better and I can keep responding with Hulk being more durable and healing faster.

Physical punishment is simply not the way to beat Hulk. Magneto's best option would probably be energy attacks of some sort.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos



Physical punishment is simply not the way to beat Hulk.

Don't make the hulk out into Doomsday now, he's not even the poor man's version of DD.

physical punishment is certainly a viable way of beating hulk, granted it will take alot

Originally posted by Soljer
Tell me, what HAS broken through Magneto's shields?

Bone claw Wolverine in hand to hand combat.

Cyclops with a concentrated beam

Sure...use blood control after his is a bleeding mess to severly cripple his healing ability and then BFR him into space...sure hulk would come back from it eventually but it does constitute a KMC victory...sure it is a valid argument...magneto could certainly penatrate hulks hide via projectiles, lesser force has made WWH bleed

I thought that Gamma Radiation was part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Wouldn't that mean that Mags could drain away Hulk's strength?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought that Gamma Radiation was part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Wouldn't that mean that Mags could drain away Hulk's strength?

Darwin's powers couldn't seem to drain it fast enough recently.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought that Gamma Radiation was part of the electromagnetic spectrum? Wouldn't that mean that Mags could drain away Hulk's strength? Im not sure if it is...it very well could be if thats the case then hulk is in trouble provided mags figures that out and he is certainly smart enough to have it cross his mind.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Darwin's powers couldn't seem to drain it fast enough recently.
I thought that Darwin was just canceling out his healing factor?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought that Darwin was just canceling out his healing factor?
No I believe he said he gained the ability to absorb gamma radiation, but hulk just had too much of it.

Originally posted by Akuki
No I believe he said he gained the ability to absorb gamma radiation, but hulk just had too much of it.
Oh ok. It's been a bit since I read that book and I only read it once so it's entirely possible that I'm remembering wrong.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought that Darwin was just canceling out his healing factor?

That's Elixir


And Magneto wins

Originally posted by darthgoober
I thought that Darwin was just canceling out his healing factor?

Elixir overloaded his HF. Darwin adapted to drain his energy and then when that didn't work he learned how to teleport

But it still shows that gamma draining isn't easy.

The fact is if Magneto tries to impale Hulk with ordinary metal, it won't penetrate his skin.The only time this has happened is when he is weakened or in dimensions where his power is neutralised. He has always had enormous durability in all incarnations as well as his healing factor

magneto has drained off hulk's gamma radiation before...it's somewhere in the magneto respect thread. darth goober was right in stating that gamma rays are part of the electro-magnetic spectrum...something which magneto has full control over.

It's not really fair to compare how much energy darwin can absorb/manipulate vs. magneto, as we all know magneto has been one of the the premier energy manipulators in all of marvel for quite a while. Remeber, this is a man who regularly taps the E-M field of earth for powerful effects.

In the Magneto respect thread theres pics of his shields absorbing nukes.... Are they writing Wolverine to pack more power than a nuclear warhead now?

Originally posted by jinzin
Cyclops with a concentrated beam

Yeah, in their very first appearances. Back then, Magneto could only put up forcefields and control metal, Iceman threw snowballs, and Jean could barely levitate a book across a room. Magneto has certainly gotten a lot more powerful since then.

Also, Erik even said that the reason why Cyclops was able to breach his magnetic field was because he was caught be surprise and wasn't ready for the attack.

And Magneto wins this. Although, it is NOT by flinging scrap metal at him.