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Using pre 52 Supes, Basic Surfer, and Thor before OF upgrade, the categories are........

1. Strength
2. Power lever output
3. Endurance
4. Travel Speed
5. Reflexes and combat speed
6. Telepathic resistance
7. Intelligence
8. Healing Factor
9. Longevity
10. Willpower
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities

Which of the 3 excels at most of these?

Originally posted by lawest9
Using pre 52 Supes, Basic Surfer, and Thor before OF upgrade, the categories are........

1. Strength
2. Power lever output
3. Endurance
4. Travel Speed
5. Reflexes and combat speed
6. Telepathic resistance
7. Intelligence
8. Healing Factor
9. Longevity
10. Willpower
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities
12. Stamina


Which of the 3 excels at most of these?

1. Strength = Thor, Superman close second and Surfer not that far off
2. Power lever output = Surfer
3. Endurance = all are equals
4. Travel Speed = Surfer no contest
5. Reflexes and combat speed = Superman, Surfers close
6. Telepathic resistance = Surfer then Superman
7. Intelligence = Superman
8. Healing Factor = Surfer no contest
9. Longevity = Surfer
10. Willpower = Supes
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities = Surfer no contest

This is me using current versions of each and including Mjlonir and Surfers board.

Originally posted by Astner


Not to mention the Fail-safe Arc was retconned to occur after Dark Crisis meaning that the Superman is getting his ass whopped by a robot (which looked bad enough even when he was weakened) is supposed to be even more powerful than he's ever been.

The comic made it clear its happening before Dark Crisis and that's how Green Arrow is alive.

https://i.postimg.cc/Th08037b/20230110-223838.jpg

Dark Crisis 7 messed up the timeline but the actual comic takes precedent over it as Green Arrow is dead after Dark Crisis and can't appear with justice league to fight Failsafe.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The comic made it clear its happening before Dark Crisis and that's how Green Arrow is alive.

https://i.postimg.cc/Th08037b/20230110-223838.jpg

Dark Crisis 7 messed up the timeline but the actual comic takes precedent over it as Green Arrow is dead after Dark Crisis and can't appear with justice league to fight Failsafe.
Yes. That's why I called it a retcon. Because later on, at the end of Dark Crisis it's explained that the Fail-safe story takes place "some time later."

https://i.imgur.com/B1MEbeDm.jpg

- Dark Crisis #7

Originally posted by carver9
1. Strength = Thor, Superman close second and Surfer not that far off
2. Power lever output = Surfer
3. Endurance = all are equals
4. Travel Speed = Surfer no contest
5. Reflexes and combat speed = Superman, Surfers close
6. Telepathic resistance = Surfer then Superman
7. Intelligence = Superman
8. Healing Factor = Surfer no contest
9. Longevity = Surfer
10. Willpower = Supes
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities = Surfer no contest

This is me using current versions of each and including Mjlonir and Surfers board. I agree with most this post except with Strength.....Supes and then thor, power output I'll except Surfer but keep in mind that Thor's God blast damaged a high level Celestial and don't know if Surfer can do the same, Travel Speed I'll agree Surfer under ordinary circumstances but with enough of a power boost Supes can past him, everything else I agree with.

I would give the strength category to Superman as well based on his previous showings. But if we're talking about the current Superman (as per Action Comics #1050), there's not enough there to gauge his power, let alone to meaningfully address the remaining categories.

Originally posted by Astner
I would give the strength category to Superman as well based on his previous showings. But if we're talking about the current Superman (as per Action Comics #1050), there's not enough there to gauge his power, let alone to meaningfully address the remaining categories. True but I did say on the op pre 52 Superman, what I had in mind was Supes power level as it was at that particular time.

My post is including Mjlonir. If we are talking strength for strength, arm wrestling and not just hitting power, then Supes is stronger.

Originally posted by lawest9
True but I did say on the op pre 52 Superman, what I had in mind was Supes power level as it was at that particular time.
Oh, never-mind then.

Superman takes strength, willpower and arguably reflexes and combat speed, Surfer takes the rest.

Superman on everything easily until misc powers, depending on how we define that one. Because if we mean amount of tasks you can acccomolish, it’s Surfer, but if we mean effectiveness of power, it’s Superman again.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes. That's why I called it a retcon. Because later on, at the end of Dark Crisis it's explained that the Fail-safe story takes place "some time later."

https://i.imgur.com/B1MEbeDm.jpg

- Dark Crisis #7
Dark crisis is simply incorrect because Green Arrow is alive in Failsafe arc and that puts it before Dark Crisis. Originally posted by Astner
Oh, never-mind then.

Superman takes strength, willpower and arguably reflexes and combat speed, Surfer takes the rest.
No, you have been trounced on this before. Surfer is only more versatile than Superman, any other category especially power? Superman utterly crushes Surfer.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman on everything easily until misc powers, depending on how we define that one. Because if we mean amount of tasks you can acccomolish, it’s Surfer, but if we mean effectiveness of power, it’s Superman again.
Astner is like darthgoober and naija boy had a kid, just dumber if that was possible.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dark crisis is simply incorrect because Green Arrow is alive in Failsafe arc and that puts it before Dark Crisis.
Retcons are retroactive, hence the name. You attempted something similar not too long ago where you were trying to dismiss the fact that Dark Crisis made the Multiverse infinite, and when I pointed out the holes in your explanation your final excuse was, and I'm paraphrasing: "comics don't make sense."

I bring this up because this is exactly how our spat will turn out if I engage you on this subject. You'll do you, I'll correct you, and you'll dismiss the rebuttal on the premise that I'm being too stringent in my analysis, not not granting you the interpretive freedom to dismiss the scene.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, you have been trounced on this before. Surfer is only more versatile than Superman, any other category especially power? Superman utterly crushes Surfer.
No I haven't. The reason I gave up on the debate is because you started to dig into the feats of unrelated characters to compensate for Superman's lack of comparable feats, while simultaneously downplaying the Silver Surfer.

Even then the core of your argument was that Green Lanterns had survived inside black holes. Which didn't work in context of the debate for two reasons: it's not quantifiable, and because even Dazzler has survived inside of a black hole after a temporary buff by Galactus, see Dazzler #11 for the context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Astner is like darthgoober and naija boy had a kid, just dumber if that was possible.
The telemarketer calling the optimization engineer stupid.

Abhi, this insult doesn't work. This is like calling a 6'8" guy a midget. If you want your insults to be effective you have to anchor them in insecurities of whoever you're trying to insult.

Even the people I frequently disagree with and insult know better, here are some examples from this month:
Originally posted by Sin I AM
However Astner is too high brow for this forum. He always has been. But I imagine he relishes his intellectual superiorityOriginally posted by MrMind
i think astner is just bored, dont get me wrong he is well versed in comic books Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
He is a highly intelligent guy, no doubt,Originally posted by cdtm
No, Astner is what you call "normal".

Or perhaps a better term is "well adjusted". His conversation with Whirly and the support for either kind of shows how far off the deep end the current regs are.
And unlike you, I'm not in part of the House of El or some other circle-jerk group that would garner any unwarranted praise.

Speaking of which, I only remember seeing you being insulted for your intelligence or more aptly: the lack thereof. But I digress.

Originally posted by Astner
Retcons are retroactive, hence the name. You attempted something similar not too long ago where you were trying to dismiss the fact that Dark Crisis made the Multiverse infinite, and when I pointed out the holes in your explanation your final excuse was, and I'm paraphrasing: "comics don't make sense."

I bring this up because this is exactly how our spat will turn out if I engage you on this subject. You'll do you, I'll correct you, and you'll dismiss the rebuttal on the premise that I'm being too stringent in my analysis, not not granting you the interpretive freedom to dismiss the scene.


No I haven't. The reason I gave up on the debate is because you started to dig into the feats of unrelated characters to compensate for Superman's lack of comparable feats, while simultaneously downplaying the Silver Surfer.

Even then the core of your argument was that Green Lanterns had survived inside black holes. Which didn't work in context of the debate for two reasons: it's not quantifiable, and because even Dazzler has survived inside of a black hole after a temporary buff by Galactus, see Dazzler #11 for the context.


The telemarketer calling the optimization engineer stupid.

Abhi, this insult doesn't work. This is like calling a 6'8" guy a midget. If you want your insults to be effective you have to anchor them in insecurities of whoever you're trying to insult.

Even the people I frequently disagree with and insult know better, here are some examples from this month:

And unlike you, I'm not in part of the House of El or some other circle-jerk group that would garner any unwarranted praise.

Speaking of which, I only remember seeing you being insulted for your intelligence or more aptly: the lack thereof. But I digress.

U mad?

Now we only need Smurph, and the circle-jerk will be complete.

O u mad.

It's always you three. It doesn't matter who I'm addressing or what the topic is, the other two will always jump to the rescue. As early as yesterday when Smurph tried to correct me on copyright law, you and abhi were there defending him even though he was wrong: dodging my points, straw-manning me, and eventually ended up conceding.

I get that you three are upset with me. At one point or another, you all bragged about how big your dicks were and I pulled down your pants, publicity exposing the lie. Smurph wasn't even part of it before I corrected him by posting a rudimentary proof on why opinions can't be wrong and then had to explain to him how a priori proofs work.

Originally posted by Astner
Retcons are retroactive, hence the name. You attempted something similar not too long ago where you were trying to dismiss the fact that Dark Crisis made the Multiverse infinite, and when I pointed out the holes in your explanation your final excuse was, and I'm paraphrasing: "comics don't make sense."

Its not a retcon since dark crisis itself makes sure to let us know that Green Arrow is dead.

How do you reconcile Green Arrow's presence in Failsafe arc?



I remember you were literally dismissing every feat from Superman because magic demon and whatever. Real display of intelligence right there.



"It does not count and even if it did, see this random character also survive who had no encounters with surfer".

Sure, dude.




Wow, you really are Nostradamus.

Cool story bro.

"This insult doesn't work on me, look at the random guys on the forum who say how intelligent I am".

Dude really thought a joke group thought up by LordofBrooklyn (House of El) was real, lmao.

This is another example of a self-refuting post. The case you're making against my position is so bad, that rather than wasting my time on it, I'm fully content in letting your post speak for itself.

Originally posted by Astner
This is another example of a self-refuting post. The case you're making against my position is so bad, that rather than wasting my time on it, I'm fully content in letting your post speak for itself.
"I'm what I am, what are you"

Originally posted by Astner
It's always you three. It doesn't matter who I'm addressing or what the topic is, the other two will always jump to the rescue. As early as yesterday when Smurph tried to correct me on copyright law, you and abhi were there defending him even though he was wrong: dodging my points, straw-manning me, and eventually ended up conceding.

I get that you three are upset with me. At one point or another, you all bragged about how big your dicks were and I pulled down your pants, publicity exposing the lie. Smurph wasn't even part of it before I corrected him by posting a rudimentary proof on why opinions can't be wrong and then had to explain to him how a priori proofs work.

Uhuh, ok this site is just meant to be a bit of fun, chill and touch some grass.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
touch some grass.
I'm at work, they won't let me.

You guys are cracking me up. 😆😆😆😆😆

Originally posted by Astner
It's always you three. It doesn't matter who I'm addressing or what the topic is, the other two will always jump to the rescue. As early as yesterday when Smurph tried to correct me on copyright law, you and abhi were there defending him even though he was wrong: dodging my points, straw-manning me, and eventually ended up conceding.

I get that you three are upset with me. At one point or another, you all bragged about how big your dicks were and I pulled down your pants, publicity exposing the lie. Smurph wasn't even part of it before I corrected him by posting a rudimentary proof on why opinions can't be wrong and then had to explain to him how a priori proofs work.

They are the Super (man) click. Always hanging together.

Originally posted by carver9
1. Strength = Thor, Superman close second and Surfer not that far off
2. Power lever output = Surfer
3. Endurance = all are equals
4. Travel Speed = Surfer no contest
5. Reflexes and combat speed = Superman, Surfers close
6. Telepathic resistance = Surfer then Superman
7. Intelligence = Superman
8. Healing Factor = Surfer no contest
9. Longevity = Surfer
10. Willpower = Supes
11. Miscellaneous powers and abilities = Surfer no contest

This is me using current versions of each and including Mjlonir and Surfers board.

1. Superman is many times stronger than Thor. What quantifiable feat by Thor makes you think he's stronger?

2. This is hard to judge as Superman's hv can be more penetrating than any of the others attacks. It is smaller in size though. What has more powerful input, a high caliber pointy bullet or a sledge hammer powered by a human?

3. Superman has traveled to the center of the universe in a few panels.

I preferred my term, Kal-Qaeda.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman on everything easily until misc powers, depending on how we define that one. Because if we mean amount of tasks you can acccomolish, it’s Surfer, but if we mean effectiveness of power, it’s Superman again. The correct answer!

Originally posted by Astner
It's always you three. It doesn't matter who I'm addressing or what the topic is, the other two will always jump to the rescue. As early as yesterday when Smurph tried to correct me on copyright law, you and abhi were there defending him even though he was wrong: dodging my points, straw-manning me, and eventually ended up conceding.

I get that you three are upset with me. At one point or another, you all bragged about how big your dicks were and I pulled down your pants, publicity exposing the lie. Smurph wasn't even part of it before I corrected him by posting a rudimentary proof on why opinions can't be wrong and then had to explain to him how a priori proofs work. crylaugh

So to recap - in a thread that I wasn't posting in, Astner:

- got called stupid and took offense
- quoted other posters calling him smart
- brought me up, for some reason
- started ranting about other arguments with me (and lied about them)
- talked about getting my pants down to find out the size of my dick

Stay winning, Astner

I knew Astner's sole reason for staying on this message board for so many years was to pull down our pants.

I was warning you guys. Hell, Parmaniac was warning you before anyone even noticed Astner's presence on forums.

The 4chan memes are true. Somebody needs to warn Magnon...

https://i.ibb.co/h1Dx0rH/766lsuhsir791.png

I liked the posters who called him smart though.

Sin, who's trolling him;
Whirly, who is as pure as the driven snow (from Chernobyl);
Mr Mind, who literally enjoys poo; and
Cdtm

Smurph is indeed a dumdum head though

Originally posted by Astner

The telemarketer calling the optimization engineer stupid.

Also, let's not start referring to our job titles as if they mean anything, you absolute clown.

Otherwise that conversation that's got you so butthurt was just an engineer trying to lecture a lawyer on the difference between a colloquial definition and a legal definition.

Wow. This thread. Sometimes KMC really delivers.

Originally posted by Smurph
Also, let's not start referring to our job titles as if they mean anything, you absolute clown.

Otherwise that conversation that's got you so butthurt was just an engineer trying to lecture a lawyer on the difference between a colloquial definition and a legal definition.

I'm a level 96 Cleric

More like a level 69 cleric.

From the divine order of circlejerk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I liked the posters who called him smart though.

Sin, who's trolling him;
Whirly, who is as pure as the driven snow (from Chernobyl);
Mr Mind, who literally enjoys poo; and
Cdtm

Smurph is indeed a dumdum head though Originally posted by Smurph
crylaugh

Originally posted by Smurph
Wow. This thread. Sometimes KMC really delivers.
Happy to help

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Whirly, who is as pure as the driven snow (from Chernobyl);


Not gonna lie, this part has made me laugh out loud earlier today.

Another day another meltdown. Sigh.

Originally posted by Smurph
Wow. This thread. Sometimes KMC really delivers.

This thread is the last few months condensed in the purest essence.

Originally posted by Astner
At one point or another, you all bragged about how big your dicks were and I pulled down your pants, publicity exposing the lie. fully unhinged

Did somebody do this to you, Astner? Is this your origin story?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Swedes have peniginas:

https://tinyurl.com/ybzrff6s

Originally posted by Smurph
fully unhinged

Did somebody do this to you, Astner? Is this your origin story?
What's with this autistic tantrum all of a sudden? Why did you feel that it was necessary to refer to this paragraph in two separate posts? Did it really hurt you that much? Also, didn't I teach your about analogies not too long ago? Do I really have to explain it to you for you to grasp that it was a joke detached from whatever pseudo-freudian subtext you want to inject?

Just let it go. You're making it too easy, and I've stepped on too may smurfs already.

Originally posted by Astner
Why did you feel that it was necessary to refer to this paragraph in two separate posts? Because, as I was going through my day, I would think about this paragraph and lol

You gotta share the rest of the fantasy. Like, how often do you think about getting my pants down? What's the scenario - do you imagine your face is about dick-height for the big reveal?

Are you kneeling to do it, or just bending over?

I'm definitely seeing Astner on his knees.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm definitely seeing Astner on his knees.

Colloquially.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm definitely seeing Astner on his knees. Definitely

I think you could tell him "Astner, Swedish guys are so stupid, they can't even figure out how to suck dick" and he would happily start sucking away, thinking he was proving you wrong

Originally posted by ODG
The OP considers pre 52 Superman. Not a white sun amped Superman.

The OP considers normal Surfer. Not Silver Surfer Black.

The OP considers normal Thor. Not OF Thor.

It's unclear who exactly you're addressing with your posts but whatever point you're trying to make has nothing to do with this thread.

Was thinking current or most powerful form. Bur okay, understood.

https://media.giphy.com/media/KffdTQfewxdbKTGEJY/giphy.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
pfft... I am as pure as the driven snow in a land of unicorns and snow queen's like Narnia.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
pfft... I am as pure as the driven snow in a land of unicorns and snow queen's like Narnia. If only.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85



Whirly, who is as pure as the driven snow (from Chernobyl);