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Battle takes place in an entirely indestructible boxing ring of typical size.

No BFR

No flying.

Just a straight up slugfest.

Who wins and why?

SBP kills him.

Originally posted by lawest9
SBP kills him.

Cool. How?

Prime beats the crap out of him lol

Originally posted by lawest9
SBP kills him. Are you kidding? Classic Jugs is not as powerful as other versions, Prime simply overpowers him.

SBP punches straight through Cyttorak's enchantment.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool. How?

I used to be a proponent of classic Juggs being immune to all physical force (he has infinite durability against physical force). Now I've adopted the level by display of feats instead for a couple of reasons.
Sbp has power output feats above anything that Juggs has experienced and withstood.

Jugs

Originally posted by carver9
Jugs

Why do you always troll Carv?
If Sbp has strength feats above any feat Juggs has experienced
Is far faster than Juggs

Then how does Juggs not get one shot
and certainly how does he win?

Originally posted by h1a8
Why do you always troll Carv?
If Sbp has strength feats above any feat Juggs has experienced
Is far faster than Juggs

Then how does Juggs not get one shot
and certainly how does he win?

Disagreeing with your opinion doesn't equate to trolling. Thats an arrogant perspective to have.

It's understandable why he might believe Juggernaut might win. Respect that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1.Disagreeing with your opinion doesn't equate to trolling. Thats an arrogant perspective to have.

2. It's understandable why he might believe Juggernaut might win. Respect that.

1. You Making true but irrelevant statements doesn't disprove nor rebut someone's argument. Sbp wins a slug fest is a fact not an opinion. Opinions exist when two characters are close to each other, not when it's spite.

Disagreeing (without factual basis knowledge), disagreeing (with factual basis), stating to disagree (when in your mind you actually agree because you have factual basis) are all different things. The latter is trolling.

2. If Carv is aware of both characters top feats and still say the character, who is both thousands of times (if not more) weaker and slower still wins, then that is trolling. Now I can say that Thing beats Superman if I'm not aware of both feats. That's not trolling. But if I'm aware of both and still say thing beats Superman in a slug fest then I'm clearly trolling.

You should know that Carv is marvel bias. He doesn't necessarily debate his opinion but rather WHO HE WANTS TO WIN.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You Making true but irrelevant statements doesn't disprove nor rebut someone's argument. Sbp wins a slug fest is a fact not an opinion. Opinions exist when two characters are close to each other, not when it's spite.

Disagreeing (without factual basis knowledge), disagreeing (with factual basis), stating to disagree (when in your mind you actually agree because you have factual basis) are all different things. The latter is trolling.

2. If Carv is aware of both characters top feats and still say the character, who is both thousands of times (if not more) weaker and slower still wins, then that is trolling. Now I can say that Thing beats Superman if I'm not aware of both feats. That's not trolling. But if I'm aware of both and still say thing beats Superman in a slug fest then I'm clearly trolling.

You should know that Carv is marvel bias. He doesn't necessarily debate his opinion but rather WHO HE WANTS TO WIN.

When have Juggernauts shields and invulnerability ever been overcome by sheer physical force?

Any examples?

To my knowledge its required mystical ability to do so.

Has Superboy Prime shown ability to overcome mystical enchantments through physical force?

Im not making a vote either way. Im just highlighting the battle isnt as clear cut as some are asserting (without evidence) thereby making Carvers comment valid, whether you agree with it or not.

Come into a new thread with a clean slate. Be respectful.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When have Juggernauts shields and invulnerability ever been overcome by sheer physical force?

Any examples?

To my knowledge its required mystical ability to do so.

Has Superboy Prime shown ability to overcome mystical enchantments through physical force?

Im not making a vote either way. Im just highlighting the battle isnt as clear cut as some are asserting (without evidence) thereby making Carvers comment valid, whether you agree with it or not.

Come into a new thread with a clean slate. Be respectful.
Like from a giant fan?

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When have Juggernauts shields and invulnerability ever been overcome by sheer physical force?

Any examples?

To my knowledge its required mystical ability to do so.

Has Superboy Prime shown ability to overcome mystical enchantments through physical force?

Im not making a vote either way. Im just highlighting the battle isnt as clear cut as some are asserting (without evidence) thereby making Carvers comment valid, whether you agree with it or not.

Come into a new thread with a clean slate. Be respectful.

Onslaught
War Hulk
Professor Hulk

Just some examples of Juggs getting whooped with non-magic force.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When have Juggernauts shields and invulnerability ever been overcome by sheer physical force?

Any examples?

To my knowledge its required mystical ability to do so.

Has Superboy Prime shown ability to overcome mystical enchantments through physical force?

Im not making a vote either way. Im just highlighting the battle isnt as clear cut as some are asserting (without evidence) thereby making Carvers comment valid, whether you agree with it or not.

Come into a new thread with a clean slate. Be respectful.

He no sold Black Adam which showcased his immunity to magic.
Juggs have been damaged, hurt, and koed multiple times.
I'll give examples

But assume he wasn't (like I did when I used to rep him).
We still go by the highest feats to determine the ceiling for a character.
For example, if a character survived a nuke but with damage and said nuke was the highest showing then the character has no more than nuke durability in a forum fight. Now if a character survived a nuke without ANY damage or even being bothered then they can survive an attack that is a few more times greater than a nuke in a forum.

Onslaught penetrated Juggs chest.
Captain universe beat him to a bloody pulp (Juggs was severely injured)
Juggs got hurt from regular fire (i say PIS though).
There are a few more I believe.

Didn't Juggs have trouble with Venom with the Creep power-up too?

When Onslaught fought Juggs he, too, faced the problem of how to hurt an invulnerable foe. He solved this by first physically ripping out the Gem of Cyttorak, after which Juggs lost his invulnerability and was easy to take down. Superboy could do the same.

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SBP. IMHO, he would overwhelm Juggernaut's shield and pummel him into a bloody pulp.

Prime ignores magical barriers to a high extent as shown in character. This is a no contest. Prime would punch the avatar to pieces. Cytorrak is possibly a better choice up until Prime's latest showings at least.

Originally posted by Stoic
Prime ignores magical barriers to a high extent as shown in character. This is a no contest. Prime would punch the avatar to pieces. Cytorrak is possibly a better choice up until Prime's latest showings at least. Prime got wrecked by Captain Marvel and Black Adam in his second to last appearance in a fight that completely dispelled his vaunted invulnerability to magic.

Superbly Prime, low difficulty.

Prime easily.

Everyone has low showings (I mean if you call losing to the combined power of two Superman peers a low showing) so I wouldn't hold SBP losing to CM and BA against him.

On average, SBP has much more impressive fights than Juggernaut. He should win. I mean either CM or BA could probably beat the living hell out of Juggernaut.