spiderman vs nightcrawler

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chomperx9
parker

vs

kurt


no webbing
no teleporting
no spidey sense


H2H acrobatic fight


who wins ?

Kasper Gutman
I've gotta go with Spidey, he has a huge strength advantage and should still have a reflex advantage even without his spidey senses tingling. Spidey probably has more experience fighting super agile oppenents as well since Marvel has "cloned" him in the form of Carnage, Venom, etc. I'm not counting training with Beast in the danger room as fighting experience, sorry Kurt.

I think the no teleporting rule really gimps Nightcrawler. It turns him into a wimpier version of Beast.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
I've gotta go with Spidey, he has a huge strength advantage and should still have a reflex advantage even without his spidey senses tingling. Spidey probably has more experience fighting super agile oppenents as well since Marvel has "cloned" him in the form of Carnage, Venom, etc. I'm not counting training with Beast in the danger room as fighting experience, sorry Kurt.

I think the no teleporting rule really gimps Nightcrawler. It turns him into a wimpier version of Beast. if i added the teleporting kurt would take out spidey for sure without his spidey sense cause he wouldnt know where kurt would be popping out of.

Kasper Gutman
I'd like this fight if Spidey had everything but spider sense and Kurt had to limit his poofing an opponent away to only a couple hundred yards and not a couple miles. This would limit Kurt from poofing Spidey straight up in the air a couple times until it's a battle field removal. Spidey can web parachute down but it would take some time. There's still that pesky strength advantage though.

BattleMage
Spiderman ftw.

KingD19
Kurt has already given Spidey a pretty good fight without teleporting.

Kasper Gutman
Spidey would still hear that "bamf" sound and could probably react just enough to somewhat defend himself. I'd think a porting Kurt and no Spidey Sense fight would be cool to watch personally.

Kasper Gutman
Was Spidey holding back in that fight? I don't recall it offhand. On paper Spidey should win against a non-bamfing Kurt.

KingD19
Nope, Spidey was actively attack Kurt, who wasn't really into the fight. And even if he could hear the BAMF, Kurt could still speedblitz him, since he's been hit by people far slower than Kurt.

Juk3n
Originally posted by KingD19
Kurt could still speedblitz him, since he's been hit by people far slower than Kurt.

are you serious right here with this logic?

KingD19
Kurt speedblitzed him when they fought before, and am I wrong in saying regular people have tagged Spidey in a h2h fight???

rotiart
Higher durability and strength
agility I give to Kurt

but hand to hand... Yah....

SamZED
Originally posted by KingD19
Kurt speedblitzed him when they fought before, and am I wrong in saying regular people have tagged Spidey in a h2h fight??? Peak humans have tagged Flash before, and by that logic peak humans can tag Superman on a vs forum. Also when they fought Spider-man was holding back as he always does. Kurt can't speedblitz him, Parker I believe is faster and as agile. If NC was allowed to teleport he'd take a majority, athough Spider-man would've won SOME if he had his ss. But if no ss and no teleportation Parker takes a solid majority.

valtiz
spider-man will win all the time

Prep-Man
Originally posted by KingD19
Kurt has already given Spidey a pretty good fight without teleporting.

Yep, and in a classic Spider-Man book to boot. Peter was very surprised of Nightcralwer's speed and strength. I can see this going either way. Kurt has some good training under his belt.

AsbestosFlaygon
Peter has the strength advantage.

Speed is arguable, since Nightcrawler can teleport almost instantaneously.

Reaction time, Peter has the edge with his Spider Sense.

Spider-man wins imo.

ColossusGrundy
I think Kurt is a bit more agile, but Spidey is definitely stronger.

If he tags Kurt a few times, then he wins. Spidey would wear out first in a long fight.

Spidey 6.5/10

rotiart
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Peter has the strength advantage.

Speed is arguable, since Nightcrawler can teleport almost instantaneously.

Reaction time, Peter has the edge with his Spider Sense.

Spider-man wins imo.

Did you bother to read the op?
No teleporting or spideysense or webbing...

tideoftime
Given the stipulations...

Spiderman has the strength advantage.

Each is about equal for speed/agility (a portion of Pete's "speed/reflex" is due to his spidersense; without it, he still has superhuman reflexes, but not to a degree much greater than Kurt's).

Each is a good fighter, within the context of their own styles/experience.

Spidey has a slight advantage in terms of relative endurance (seems that he can take more of a beating that Nightcrawler)

Kurt's tail gives a slight advantage for grappling/altering direction in close quarters.

A general draw. If Kurt can make use of environment/terrain, then he can win. If Pete goes all out and wails on him, then he can win.

Chopsum
Without TP Kurt loses more times then not to Spiderman even if he doesn't have spidersense or webbing.

redhotrash
Kurt should need his swords to pull this off.

Mindset
Are some of you guys serious?

Spiderman takes this at least 8/10 times.

redhotrash
I agree, just seems like without teleportation, Night Crawler's powerset is pretty similiar, just not as good. Hes likely a better h2h fighter, but thats it.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Mindset
Are some of you guys serious?

Spiderman takes this at least 8/10 times.
There basing it off the fact that in two occasion spiderman and Night crawler fought and with out teleportation NC still seem to get the better of spiderman.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by redhotrash
I agree, just seems like without teleportation, Night Crawler's powerset is pretty similiar, just not as good. Hes likely a better h2h fighter, but thats it.
He pretty much as agile and he more skilled acrobat. He also is with out a doubt the more skilled of the two.

Metalmanx
Originally posted by Mindset
Are some of you guys serious?

Spiderman takes this at least 8/10 times.

thumb up

Spidey should still take this without any stipulations.

SamZED
I wouldnt say that NC was getting the better of spiderman, maybe the first time when parker was like "wtf a blue deamon!" nc got two free hits and even then he got slammed into a wall before running away. The second time sm was clearly winning even though nc used tp. Plus parker as always was holding back a lot to the point where he said "oh know i hit him too hard!", im not counting the time when nc attacked parker from behind and hit him in the neck. Besides its safe to say that without tp sm would beat nc.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by SamZED
I wouldnt say that NC was getting the better of spiderman, maybe the first time when parker was like "wtf a blue deamon!" nc got two free hits and even then he got slammed into a wall before running away. The second time sm was clearly winning even though nc used tp. Plus parker as always was holding back a lot to the point where he said "oh know i hit him too hard!", im not counting the time when nc attacked parker from behind and hit him in the neck. Besides its safe to say that without tp sm would beat nc.
Though i agree that spiderman wins, spiderman was not holding back any more then father kurt would be.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Metalmanx
thumb up

Spidey should still take this without any stipulations.
debatable, one port from NC could make the fight very lop sided.

Battlehammer
Nightcrawler v.s Spiderman

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp161.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1612.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1613.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1615.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1616.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1617.jpg


ends is a stalemate. However Spiderman starts off the match by cheap shotting NC. NC never uses his teleportation, but spiderman does uses his webbing

SamZED
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Though i agree that spiderman wins, spiderman was not holding back any more then father kurt would be. thats true, if kurt was using tp to the fullest this wouldve been a whole different fight and most likeley in nc's favor, but i dont think he was pulling any punches, i mean he event went for spider's throat..

SamZED
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Nightcrawler v.s Spiderman

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp161.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1612.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1613.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1615.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1616.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1617.jpg


ends is a stalemate. However Spiderman starts off the match by cheap shotting NC. NC never uses his teleportation, but spiderman does uses his webbing
I meant the second fight when kurt yanked hir webline.

ankur29
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He pretty much as agile and he more skilled acrobat. He also is with out a doubt the more skilled of the two.

more skilled acrobat? how so?

Battlehammer
Originally posted by ankur29
more skilled acrobat? how so?
Like he a highly trained acrobat. Even with out his powers he Olympic level acrobat, spiderman is not.

KingD19
Kurt was an actual acrobat in a traveling circus till his teen years. And he actually practices his skills, making him a better acrobat.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Like he a highly trained acrobat. Even with out his powers he Olympic level acrobat, spiderman is not.

Originally posted by KingD19
Kurt was an actual acrobat in a traveling circus till his teen years. And he actually practices his skills, making him a better acrobat.

thumb up

Parker relies on superhuman stats, SS and wall-crawling ability.

Oh and the webs of course.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Nightcrawler v.s Spiderman

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp161.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1612.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1613.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1615.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1616.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Nightcrawler/sp1617.jpg


ends is a stalemate. However Spiderman starts off the match by cheap shotting NC. NC never uses his teleportation, but spiderman does uses his webbing which book are those images from ?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by chomperx9
which book are those images from ?

The Amazing Spider-Man #161.

ankur29
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Like he a highly trained acrobat. Even with out his powers he Olympic level acrobat, spiderman is not.

i thought SM was just as good an acrobat as NC if not better and to a superhuman extent (twice as limber with more elastic tendons/connective tissues etc) ?

KingD19
No, he relies on his powers, take those away, and he's got nothing. Nightcrawler is still a highly skilled acrobat without his powers, since he's been one his entire life.

And Nightcrawler is limber as well, he routinely stays in that crouched position of his all day, whereas a regular person doing it would be in serious pain.

SamZED
Originally posted by KingD19
No, he relies on his powers, take those away, and he's got nothing. Nightcrawler is still a highly skilled acrobat without his powers, since he's been one his entire life.
Actually that's not true. Years of being Spider-man made Parker a great athlet, so now even without his powers he's a peak human with great speed and agility. And spider powers on top of that make him as good of an acrobat as Kurt.
Here Parker lost all his powers.





http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/136/smacrob.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Those aren't the real deal and you think that feat makes him peak human in MU? Not even close http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif

KingD19
I could put up scans of Nightcrawler putting Spidey to shame in acrobatic/agility feats. And regular Peter would die attempting most, if not all of those feats.

SamZED
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Those aren't the real deal and you think that feat makes him peak human in MU? Not even close http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon4.gif Doesnt matter, the electric bolt is real enough, so are the fists and the robot attacking him from the air. And you'd be surprised how many peak humans there are in MU, almost every D-list villain is a peak human. Heck Eddie Brock without the symbiote is a peak human.

Originally posted by KingD19
I could put up scans of Nightcrawler putting Spidey to shame in acrobatic/agility feats. And regular Peter would die attempting most, if not all of those feats. Um... ok? Never said that Parker without super powers = NC in acrobatics, just that you saying that he's "nothing" if you take his powers away is incorret. Also, you cant post NC acrobatic feats that Spider-man with powers couldn't match unless it involves Kurt using his tale..

chomperx9
Originally posted by KingD19
I could put up scans of Nightcrawler putting Spidey to shame in acrobatic/agility feats. And regular Peter would die attempting most, if not all of those feats. go for it

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by KingD19
(...) And regular Peter would die attempting most, if not all of those feats.

Marvel Universe would be a better place without him.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7357/parkerdead.jpg

Originally posted by SamZED
Doesnt matter, the electric bolt is real enough, so are the fists and the robot attacking him from the air. And you'd be surprised how many peak humans there are in MU, almost every D-list villain is a peak human. Heck Eddie Brock without the symbiote is a peak human.

So he's faster than lightning...? Of course not, he got lucky, he aim-dodged it.

You're suggesting it takes a peak human to dodge a robot?

Classic Iron Fist w/o chi wasn't listed as a peak human. Just athlete. Peak human is another level and depowered Spidey or even Brock ain't close.

Chopsum
Who cares, no way that nightcrawler has better stamina or strength then peter in this fight, bye bye kurt.

SamZED
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So he's faster than lightning...? Of course not, he got lucky, he aim-dodged it.

You're suggesting it takes a peak human to dodge a robot?

Classic Iron Fist w/o chi wasn't listed as a peak human. Just athlete. Peak human is another level and depowered Spidey or even Brock ain't close. Yes they are, peak human does NOT neccesarilly = Daredevil or Batman, peak human is a human at the peak of his physical form and Brock's got strength feats that are impressive even comparing to some of Batman's feats. And he got lucky 4 times there. And yes it definitely takes a peak human speed to dodge 4 robots that perfectly immitate the 4 supervillains powerwise and speedwise and it takes a peak human speed to dodge an electric bolt.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by SamZED
Yes they are, peak human does NOT neccesarilly = Daredevil or Batman, peak human is a human at the peak of his physical form and Brock's got strength feats that are impressive even comparing to some of Batman's feats. And he got lucky 4 times there. And yes it definitely takes a peak human speed to dodge 4 robots that perfectly immitate the 4 supervillains powerwise and speedwise and it takes a peak human speed to dodge an electric bolt.

Give me some examples of those Brock's feats.

Robots imitating losers, really impressive. So basically you're saying that anyone who avoids a bullet/robot/laser/etc. in MU is at least peak human...?

No, it doesn't. He aim-dodged it, that's a nice showing of skill. Athlete speed was all he needed there.



He'd need loads of feats like that one to classify him as a legitimate peak human in reflexes department. One showing against robots proves very little. I'd say he's at athlete lv w/o powers.

Mindset
Originally posted by Battlehammer
There basing it off the fact that in two occasion spiderman and Night crawler fought and with out teleportation NC still seem to get the better of spiderman. You mean the occasions when Spiderman was trying to catch him?

SamZED
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Give me some examples of those Brock's feats.

Robots imitating losers, really impressive. So basically you're saying that anyone who avoids a bullet/robot/laser/etc. in MU is at least peak human...?

No, it doesn't. He aim-dodged it, that's a nice showing of skill. Athlete speed was all he needed there.



He'd need loads of feats like that one to classify him as a legitimate peak human in reflexes department. One showing against robots proves very little. I'd say he's at athlete lv w/o powers. You cant seriously go by the "those villains are lame so the feats do not count" kind of logic. Robots or not, there were four of them with the powers and SPEED of Sandman, Elektro, Vulture and Scorpion and Parker was able to dodge all of them for a while. Anyone who can dodge bullets has a peak human speed in my book, yes. And Spider-man doesn't have lots of simillar feats because he rarely runs around without super powers. But what he did in the scan clearly proves the whole "he's nothing without his powers" thing wrong, which was my intention in the first place. And as for Brock, not saying he's got strength feats that match Batman's but he clearly displays peak human strength, the kind you'd expect to see from Batman and Daredevil.

Breaks some guy's hand simply by grabbing it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699683

breaks metal bonds
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699667

Weight lifting
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5425/amazingspiderman33203.jpg

Beats the crap outta symbiote with his bare hands, the others're like wtf and it took several symbiotes to restrain him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699713
You really believe that just an athlete could do that?

PS also man, i have great respect for you as a debator and you probably know that already but what's up with you and the whole Spider-man hatred? I mean, it's always my favorite characters who get hated around this forum. First Wolverine, now Spider-man, I guess Deadpool's next..sad

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by SamZED
So you're gonna go by the "those villains are lame so the feats do not count" kind of logic? Robots or not, there were four of them with the powers and SPEED of Sandman, Elektro, Vulture and Scorpion and Parker was able to dodge all of them for a while. Anyone who can dodge bullets has a peak human speed in my book, yes. And Spider-man doesn't have lots of simillar feats because he rarely runs around without super powers. But what he did in the scan clearly proves the whole "he's nothing without his powers" thing wrong, which was my intention in the first place. And as for Brock, not saying he's got strength feats that match Batman's but he clearly displays peak human strength, the kind you'd expect to see from Batman and Daredevil.

Breaks some guy's hand simply by grabbing it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699683

breaks metal bonds
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699667

Weight lifting
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5425/amazingspiderman33203.jpg

Beats the crap outta symbiote with his bare hands, the others're like wtf and it took several symbiotes to restrain him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8699713
Are you saying that just an athlete could do all that?

Ever heard of aim-dodging? You don't need peak human speed for that.

Those are awesome feats. But yeah, Marvel Universe athlete could do things like those...

Sharon Carter broke metal bonds, too. And she's just a woman.

We're talking about comic book characters. Confirmed peak humans have superhuman feats and so do confirmed athletes. The difference between them is that peak humans have more and better showings.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by SamZED
PS also man, i have great respect for you as a debator and you probably know that already but what's up with you and the whole Spider-man hatred? I mean, it's always my favorite characters who get hated around this forum. First Wolverine, now Spider-man, I guess Deadpool's next..sad

Just refreshed the page, been afk after I pressed "reply w/ quote" button.


Thank you very much, I do respect you too.

Well, to be honest, Spidey used to be one of my favorite superheros. But after OMD, dozens of ferocious debates in Wolverine vs. Spider-Man threads on other sites, finding out about Skip Westcott... I can't stand him anymore. Recent NA issues don't help either.

Tha C-Master
Spiderman needs his powers to do his high end feats of course, but they are better than Kurt's. Without them Kurt wins this. With powers, Kurt is able to be ko'ed in one hit. Not much to it. Real world athletes as well as peak humans can do superhuman feats. Hence why I say they are in the same relative realm as a human Olympic athlete at their specified area. The difference is Peak humans have the peak of all abilities often and not just one or two like a human would.

Kurt has more acrobat experience, but he would be slightly under with powers on just because of Parker's level. Kurt's powers do allow him some advantages as well, along with his physiology.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman needs his powers to do his high end feats of course, but they are better than Kurt's. Without them Kurt wins this. With powers, Kurt is able to be ko'ed in one hit. Not much to it. Real world athletes as well as peak humans can do superhuman feats. Hence why I say they are in the same relative realm as a human Olympic athlete at their specified area. The difference is Peak humans have the peak of all abilities often and not just one or two like a human would.

Kurt has more acrobat experience, but he would be slightly under with powers on just because of Parker's level. Kurt's powers do allow him some advantages as well, along with his physiology.

They are not superhuman, these feats, if people without enhancements can do them. I'd argue about NC getting one-shotted. Good post though.

SamZED
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ever heard of aim-dodging? You don't need peak human speed for that.

Those are awesome feats. But yeah, Marvel Universe athlete could do things like those...

Sharon Carter broke metal bonds, too. And she's just a woman.

We're talking about comic book characters. Confirmed peak humans have superhuman feats and so do confirmed athletes. The difference between them is that peak humans have more and better showings. Well, more depends on the number of appearance, Brock compared to Batman has got few. Better I guess is true. Those feats do not match Batman's best feats but imo they surpass any ordinary comic athlete's feats.
And ive heard of aim-dodging but to be honest barely ever saw it in comics. The characters that were said to be able to dodge the aim of guns almost ALWAYS display actual bullet dodging feats later. Im positive Punisher's got lots of dodging feats. It was recently said that Elektra cant dodge bullets but actually dodges the aim, on the other hand in her other appearances she's got bullet-DEFLECTING feats with her sai as well as her bare fist, see what I mean? And maybe Parker can't qualify as peak human due to lack of showings but he's definitely not "nothing" without his super powers. He's very good even without them, and with them he easilly matches NC in terms of acrobatics.


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just refreshed the page, been afk after I pressed "reply w/ quote" button.


Thank you very much, I do respect you too.

Well, to be honest, Spidey used to be one of my favorite superheros. But after OMD, dozens of ferocious debates in Wolverine vs. Spider-Man threads on other sites, finding out about Skip Westcott... I can't stand him anymore. Recent NA issues don't help either. Thanks. And I see what you mean. OMD was a disaster. And I know vs forums would do that. But I dont see any reasons to be upset with the Skip thing, i mean it sure sucks but it's not like he got butt-raped or something, and its not like he liked that "experience". Spider-man was always written as a character almost anyone can relate to. Probems at school, with girls etc and this story was probably written for those who experienced something like that to make them feel better.

Tha C-Master
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They are not superhuman, these feats, if people without enhancements can do them. I'd argue about NC getting one-shotted. Good post though. What do you mean? Their history? Nightcrawler is enhanced, not as enhanced as Spiderman. Or do you mean for peak feats?

I made that point ages ago about that, and I agree with you totally, they of course can do superhuman feats, just not as casually. But real world athletes can too.

Nightcrawler might not get hit every time for a one hit KO, but it is possible, and each hit would severely damage him depending on how hard he hits.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by SamZED
Well, more depends on the number of appearance, Brock compared to Batman has got few. Better I guess is true. Those feats do not match Batman's best feats but imo they surpass any ordinary comic athlete's feats.
And ive heard of aim-dodging but to be honest barely ever saw it in comics. The characters that were said to be able to dodge the aim of guns almost ALWAYS display actual bullet dodging feats later. Im positive Punisher's got lots of dodging feats. It was recently said that Elektra cant dodge bullets but actually dodges the aim, on the other hand in her other appearances she's got bullet-DEFLECTING feats with her sai as well as her bare fist, see what I mean? And maybe Parker can't qualify as peak human due to lack of showings but he's definitely not "nothing" without his super powers. He's very good even without them, and with them he easilly matches NC in terms of acrobatics.

Good point about the number of appearances.

Punisher effortlessly breaks thugs' bones all the time, but that does not make him peak human in strength in Marvel Universe.

I gotta admit, that military press feat is pretty insane.

Non-enhanced humans hurting super-beings happens every week in comics. Not saying that's not a decent feat, what I mean is that characters with less than peak human strength did that.

Originally posted by SamZED
Thanks. And I see what you mean. OMD was a disaster. And I know vs forums would do that. But I dont see any reasons to be upset with the Skip thing, i mean it sure sucks but it's not like he got butt-raped or something, and its not like he liked that "experience". Spider-man was always written as a character almost anyone can relate to. Probems at school, with girls etc and this story was probably written for those who experienced something like that to make them feel better.

Agreed... but making him a victim in every possible way it's a little too much.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What do you mean? Their history? Nightcrawler is enhanced, not as enhanced as Spiderman. Or do you mean for peak feats?

I made that point ages ago about that, and I agree with you totally, they of course can do superhuman feats, just not as casually. But real world athletes can too.

Nightcrawler might not get hit every time for a one hit KO, but it is possible, and each hit would severely damage him depending on how hard he hits.

I was referring to that statement of yours about real world athletes performing superhuman feats.

It is possible if Spidey goes all out. CIS/CIP would prevent him from doing that. Also Kurt has pretty good durability.

Mindset
Why would Peter have to go all out to oneshot him?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mindset
Why would Peter have to go all out to oneshot him?

Because he took a hit from behind that could knock out a dozen people without any apparent ill-effects.

Mindset
So it could knock out someone with 12x the normal durability of a person?

Did he take it to the head?

StiltmanFTW
Yes, that was a critical hit. From behind. He didn't roll with it.

Mindset
That's a pretty good feat.

How often does he display durability like that?

StiltmanFTW
Now that's a good question... I'm not sure.

You already saw the fight with Spider-Man. He took some hits from him. Recently he got stabbed by Daken and that just briefly put him down. He got back on his feet and was back in the fight, but I guess you're not interested in that kind of durability. I could look for some more feats.

Chopsum
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Now that's a good question... I'm not sure.

You already saw the fight with Spider-Man. He took some hits from him. Recently he got stabbed by Daken and that just briefly put him down. He got back on his feet and was back in the fight, but I guess you're not interested in that kind of durability. I could look for some more feats.

I hope you are just looking for a debate because kurt has FAR less feats in fighting the SM no matter what we talk about.

Kurt is getting owned.

KingD19
Kurt's actually pretty strong.

He downed a 20 foot tall troll.

Bashed in a Sentinel's head.

Etc...

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Chopsum
I hope you are just looking for a debate because kurt has FAR less feats in fighting the SM no matter what we talk about.

Kurt is getting owned.

He's able to give Parker a run for his money. Especially if his SS is turned off. He's not getting one-shotted here.


He took a hit from Shaw who absorbed enough kinetic energy to KO Rogue and got up.

Juggernaut hit/tossed him and he was OK.

He took a kick from Sentinel X Beast and then got blasted by Sentinel X Cyke... that didn't appear to knock him out either.

Mindset
What do you consider a run for his money?

Because Peter has multiple advantages over him, and pretty much no disadvantages.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by KingD19
He downed a 20 foot tall troll.



And? I'm downing Trolls here on the board every week, how good do you think is my durability cool

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mindset
What do you consider a run for his money?

Because Peter has multiple advantages over him, and pretty much no disadvantages.

He did pretty good in that fight.

And he's not the one who almost lost consciousness after the sneak attack stick out tongue

Kurt's more skilled and has a prehensile tail. That's Parker's weakness, y'know... did you read Punisher annual? shifty

Mindset
Well, I'm sure the fight would go a lot differently with NC not running away and them fighting in a featureless environment.

I haven't read a comic since 1997.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Mindset
Well, I'm sure the fight would go a lot differently with NC not running away and them fighting in a featureless environment.

Of course it would, but you have to remember that he doesn't have webs or SS here smile It's not a stomp.

Originally posted by Mindset
I haven't read a comic since 1997.

Yeah, right...

Anyway, is Petey even interested in fighting or something else...? Read what Henry says sick

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4282/punisherannual20090033.th.jpg

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Mindset
What do you consider a run for his money?

Because Peter has multiple advantages over him, and pretty much no disadvantages.
His advantage are not many pritty much strength. Speed, agility, comparable


Night crawler more skilled with out a doubt.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Mindset
Well, I'm sure the fight would go a lot differently with NC not running away and them fighting in a featureless environment.

I haven't read a comic since 1997.
Fight would be so cool to watch in a city enviorment

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Kurt's more skilled and has a prehensile tail. That's Parker's weakness, y'know... did you read Punisher annual? shifty

http://img704.yfrog.com/img704/1823/stiltmanftwasmv1473.jpg

Mindset
Originally posted by Battlehammer
His advantage are not many pritty much strength. Speed, agility, comparable


Night crawler more skilled with out a doubt. SM has better durability too,

Parmaniac
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Night crawler more skilled with out a doubt.

In what way?

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Parmaniac
In what way?
He more skilled fighter, and acrobat.

Battlehammer
Originally posted by Mindset
SM has better durability too,
true, but NC has good durability as well. It pretty closes.

Night Crawler also has enhance strength which few people seem to know.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://img704.yfrog.com/img704/1823/stiltmanftwasmv1473.jpg

F***, didn't see that coming. shocklaugh

Mindset
Spiderman also has greater sex appeal.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman also has greater sex appeal. but kurt has a much more better chance of going to heaven than parker since kurt reads his bible every day and spent most of his life around monks.

Mindset
Spiderman talked to God.

They're bros.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by chomperx9
but kurt has a much more better chance of going to heaven than parker since kurt reads his bible every day and spent most of his life around monks.

yeah after this fight his chance to go to heaven is highly increased I agree

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by chomperx9
but kurt has a much more better chance of going to heaven than parker since kurt reads his bible every day and spent most of his life around monks.

Most of his life...? No, that was TAS Nightcrawler.

But yeah, Parker made a deal with the devil, so Kurt's chances are much-much better laughing out loud

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Most of his life...? No, that was TAS Nightcrawler.

But yeah, Parker made a deal with the devil, so Kurt's chances are much-much better laughing out loud
No they're not
http://www.backwater-productions.net/data_archive/images/funny/Spiderman%20Helps%20God.jpg

Mindset is right they're Bros

Mindset
Spiderman is also friends with Obama.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mumbhXpGZqQ/Sl3vFkXqiYI/AAAAAAAABhQ/fF22y2XNwZ4/s320/obama-spider-man.jpg

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman talked to God.

They're bros. thor doesnt count

Mindset
Ok.

That doesn't change my post though.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Parmaniac
No they're not
http://www.backwater-productions.net/data_archive/images/funny/Spiderman%20Helps%20God.jpg

Mindset is right they're Bros

What is that from...?

Mindset
The bible.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What is that from...?

The bible of course

StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

I know, but that's fan fic or was it actually printed in a comic?

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

I know, but that's fan fic or was it actually printed in a comic?

IDK just google (pics): Spiderman God

Mindset
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

I know, but that's fan fic or was it actually printed in a comic? Last page of the bible.

StiltmanFTW
Now that's a retcon!

Battlehammer
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0904/deadpool-deadpool-wolverine-funny-domino-warpath-vanisher-demotivational-poster-1239695082.jpg
thought this was funny

Parmaniac
http://www.portlandmercury.com/imager/spider_mans_greatest_bible_stories_/b/original/26782/ef90/feature-5247.jpeg

StiltmanFTW
Spidey's best friend is Mephisto now.

Battlehammer
my favorite part of the scan is "Don't Do Drugs" lol with spiderman giving the thumbs up

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Battlehammer
my favorite part of the scan is "Don't Do Drugs" lol with spiderman giving the thumbs up

Yes, that cracked me up too.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spidey's best friend is Mephisto now.

Because he is also friends with Spider-man, sometimes Spider-man invites god and the mephisto to a cup of tea in aunt mays house and all differences are put aside, it's his friendly neighborhood aura sometimes Sentry touches him and gains 0,0000000000000000000001% of it to calm the Hulk

EDIT: http://www.portlandmercury.com/imager/spider_mans_greatest_bible_stories_/b/original/26782/56d0/feature-5247.jpeg

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman is also friends with Obama.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mumbhXpGZqQ/Sl3vFkXqiYI/AAAAAAAABhQ/fF22y2XNwZ4/s320/obama-spider-man.jpg you post that like thats a good thing sad

Tha C-Master
Those Bible stories are so full of win.

Mindset
Originally posted by chomperx9
you post that like thats a good thing sad Well it's a lot better than knowing you. sad

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
Well it's a lot better than knowing you. sad judging by all your responses back to my posts seems like you enjoy knowing me.

Tha C-Master
Love is in the air.

Mindset
Originally posted by chomperx9
judging by all your responses back to my posts seems like you enjoy knowing me. I know you?

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
I know you? face to face no but online yes.

Mindset
So I don't know you.

chomperx9
Originally posted by Mindset
So I don't know you. on here yes

chomperx9
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