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Which team wins?

Team 1 wins.

How confident is Gladiator?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How confident is Gladiator? Although I didn't specify it...........you know he'll have to be at full confidence for team 2 to have any chance, right?

Originally posted by lawest9
Although I didn't specify it...........you know he'll have to be at full confidence for team 2 to have any chance, right?

No he doesnt need to be fully confendent.

Team one even if Orion has full gear

team 1

Such a shame

2 of my favorite characters?
yeah team 1 wins a good fight

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How confident is Gladiator?

Doesn't matter because it's not like these guys can affect his confidence in the slightest. (gezz...when will ppl get it)

Anyway IDK how Glads will deal with Hal but Thor and glads can tangle for a while. Would Orion be able to beat Hal in a timely fashion?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Doesn't matter because it's not like these guys can affect his confidence in the slightest. (gezz...when will ppl get it)

Anyway IDK how Glads will deal with Hal but Thor and glads can tangle for a while. Would Orion be able to beat Hal in a timely fashion? Yes they can affect his confidence many have in different ways

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes they can affect his confidence many have in different ways Not the bigger threats just the smaller threats who have no way of handling Gladiator outside his confidence taking a nose dive.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yes they can affect his confidence many have in different ways


HHHHHMMMM, we have Gladiator cousin who is much weaker than him taking out ravenous along with a nova. She then get sneaked attacked by Nova prime and she let him beat on her. Her confendence remains the same throughout the punches that she took, then she overwhelms him physically (this is the same nova that had a pretty good showing against Surfer and beat annihilus).

Her confidence remained the same, even during a sneak attack.

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Now if they carry around psionic dampners then they could possibly take gladiator out but without it, he is physically>>anyone on the field (even though I think thor could take him out).
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Team two. Gladiator's matched Thor before and last quite a while against both Masterson and Thor himself. His confidence has never been an issue while fighting either Thor. So either Orion or Gladiator stale or beat Thor. Hal on the either hand is going to have his hands full with Gladiator. Kallark smashed through Quasar's constructs before so I don't see him having a problem with Hal. Kallark takes out Hal then moves to help Orion defeat Thor.

Team 2 7/10.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Team two. Gladiator's matched Thor before and last quite a while against both Masterson and Thor himself. His confidence has never been an issue while fighting either Thor. So either Orion or Gladiator stale or beat Thor. Hal on the either hand is going to have his hands full with Gladiator. Kallark smashed through Quasar's constructs before so I don't see him having a problem with Hal. Kallark takes out Hal then moves to help Orion defeat Thor.

Team 2 7/10. If Thor goes all out he makes quick work out of whoever he fights including Gladiator.

Originally posted by carver9
HHHHHMMMM, we have Gladiator cousin who is much weaker than him taking out ravenous along with a nova. She then get sneaked attacked by Nova prime and she let him beat on her. Her confendence remains the same throughout the punches that she took, then she overwhelms him physically (this is the same nova that had a pretty good showing against Surfer and beat annihilus).

Her confidence remained the same, even during a sneak attack.

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page2.jpg
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Now if they carry around psionic dampners then they could possibly take gladiator out but without it, he is physically>>anyone on the field (even though I think thor could take him out).
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page5.jpg What the hell does Gladz cousin have to do with him? He is physically peers with Orion and Thor not their superior though both are possibly more durable and stronger. Hal has a ring that can scan beings its basically general knowledge that Glads is powered psionically. Anyway yo put it Gladz gets the short end of the stick.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What the hell does Gladz cousin have to do with him? He is physically peers with Orion and Thor not their superior though both are possibly more durable and stronger. Hal has a ring that can scan beings its basically general knowledge that Glads is powered psionically. Anyway yo put it Gladz gets the short end of the stick.

More durable and stronger? I disagree if we go by feats but I do agree with quan, Thor can beat glads because he has the tools to beat him.

Orion would get CRUSHED by gladiator.

By the way, glads>>his cousin and her confedence did not dwindle once during her combat with ravenous, nova, and nova prime.

T2

Originally posted by carver9
HHHHHMMMM, we have Gladiator cousin who is much weaker than him taking out ravenous along with a nova. She then get sneaked attacked by Nova prime and she let him beat on her. Her confendence remains the same throughout the punches that she took, then she overwhelms him physically (this is the same nova that had a pretty good showing against Surfer and beat annihilus).

Her confidence remained the same, even during a sneak attack.

http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page1.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page2.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page3.jpg
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page4.jpg

Now if they carry around psionic dampners then they could possibly take gladiator out but without it, he is physically>>anyone on the field (even though I think thor could take him out).
http://www.novaprimepage.com/previews/newnova28page5.jpg Couple things.
Ravenous is not at the same level he was when he was in Annihilation, since he no longer has that 'equal to power cosmic'. And Robbie was able to hold her off for a while before he tired out.

And, Nova got toyed with against Surfer, and Annihilus (weakened by Galactus) was raping Nova until plot had him lose (same thing with Glad's cousin really). And Nova had the full Nova force in both of those fights, and was getting beat worse than in the scans you showed there...

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Thor goes all out he makes quick work out of whoever he fights including Gladiator. No never. Well I can say the same thing. When Gladiator uses his powers he makes makes quick work out of Thor whenever they fight.

Originally posted by kgkg
No never. Well I can say the same thing. When Gladiator uses his powers he makes makes quick work out of Thor whenever they fight. I've seen them fight several times and have NEVER seen Glads making quick work out of Thor, please post the incident you are reffering to.

Originally posted by lawest9
I've seen them fight several times and have NEVER seen Glads making quick work out of Thor, please post the incident you are reffering to.
Originally posted by kgkg
VS THOR #3

-Another example how speed = doom for Thor

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To be fair, that Gladiator was from the future (ie. the Reigning's timeline, which I think was made into it's own Earth/continuity) and was hellbent on killing Thor who at the time didn't know WTF was going on. The very next issue when they resume the fight, Thor ups the ante and Future Glads goes as far to admit that Thor is too strong.

Not to mention the times Thor has stood up just fine against the speed of Hyperion Surfer, Warlock etc....

Originally posted by carver9
More durable and stronger? I disagree if we go by feats but I do agree with quan, Thor can beat glads because he has the tools to beat him.

Orion would get CRUSHED by gladiator. Orion would beat Gladz he's no more a threat to him than Superman is less actually. The fact that you don't know shit about Orion yet claim Gladz would crush him is amusing.

Originally posted by kgkg
Thank you for posting that, I remember that fight as Thor came back in the next issue overpowering Glads and cleaning his clock, after which Glads begged Odin to destroy his son before he fulfilled the future events of the 'Reigning'.......which Odin was shoched that Glads have knowledge of the future events!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, that Gladiator was from the future (ie. the Reigning's timeline, which I think was made into it's own Earth/continuity) and was hellbent on killing Thor who at the time didn't know WTF was going on. The very next issue when they resume the fight, Thor ups the ante and Future Glads goes as far to admit that Thor is too strong. Exactly, I think he said something to the effect that...."I underestimated his strength"

Originally posted by lawest9
Exactly, I think he said something to the effect that...."I underestimated his strength"

His exact words were "I did my best, but he's too strong. Thor lives!" when he's returned to his proper timeline.

Getting back on topic, Orion is easily his team's MVP. IMO, Thor and GL are more solid as a team than Orion and Glads.

Honestly, who would put Gladiator and Orion together?

Orion would be throwing jabs and punchs left to right and whoever gets hit it's his own fault.

Orion smacks all 3!

Orion needs no team!

Hail the Dog of War!

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, that Gladiator was from the future (ie. the Reigning's timeline, which I think was made into it's own Earth/continuity) and was hellbent on killing Thor who at the time didn't know WTF was going on. The very next issue when they resume the fight, Thor ups the ante and Future Glads goes as far to admit that Thor is too strong.

C'mon man are you leaving out the part where thor girl came in and saved Thor's ass? By thor admission Glads what hit by a blast from Thor girl that rivaled the Odin's powers. Thats quite the hit to tank... that is the only reason Glads failed to beat him. If it continuted to be a mono y mono fight Glads would have killed him.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
C'mon man are you leaving out the part where thor girl came in and saved Thor's ass? By thor admission Glads what hit by a blast from Thor girl that rivaled the Odin's powers. Thats quite the hit to tank... that is the only reason Glads failed to beat him. If it continuted to be a mono y mono fight Glads would have killed him. Wasn't that after Thor had his way with him?

Originally posted by Lord Feron
C'mon man are you leaving out the part where thor girl came in and saved Thor's ass? By thor admission Glads what hit by a blast from Thor girl that rivaled the Odin's powers. Thats quite the hit to tank... that is the only reason Glads failed to beat him. If it continuted to be a mono y mono fight Glads would have killed him.

Considering Glads was bloodlusted, had prep so-to-speak, and attacked Jake Olson first, it's not a bad showing from Thor.

And before Thor Girl even intervened, Thor beat the crap out of Glads, laying him down and out on the ground. Let it never be said I'm trying to hide anything:

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Thor_2001_035_31.jpg
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As you can plainly see, Glads' is already KTFO before Thor Girl decides to gain some retribution.

Once again further proof that Thor cannot win without his Hammer.

WTF does Mjolnir have to do with anything? It's standard equipment for him.

Originally posted by Blanket
Wasn't that after Thor had his way with him?
Yea? don't think so but I should look it over again..

edit..

Your right, few nice hits with the hammer sent Glads flying into a blast from Thor Girl.

Anyway, now everyone saw the whole fight. Glads beat him Thor came back from the ropes. Anyway Thor won't be beating Glads quickly or vice versa. As I said before Glads can definitly tango with Thor but in that time maybe Orion can take out Hal.

Originally posted by kgkg

I'm curious how a Gladiator from the future, who lost the fight, who is able to temporarily stop a Thor who is holding back, proves how speed is Doom for Thor. The only thing that proves, is how Odin's enchantment is doom for Thor

Originally posted by kgkg
No never. Well I can say the same thing. When Gladiator uses his powers he makes makes quick work out of Thor whenever they fight. Are you kidding me?Originally posted by kgkg
You provided an example of Glads using his surroundings to give him the time to coldcock the hammer god. He separated his hammer from a an opponent who held back, that's it. Then he reverted back to human form.

The moment Thor decided to get serious he crushed him and quite easily.

Thor's got the power to down any top tier pretty quickly based on his higher showings.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, that Gladiator was from the future (ie. the Reigning's timeline, which I think was made into it's own Earth/continuity) and was hellbent on killing Thor who at the time didn't know WTF was going on. The very next issue when they resume the fight, Thor ups the ante and Future Glads goes as far to admit that Thor is too strong. Exactly.Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Once again further proof that Thor cannot win without his Hammer. It's his standard tech. I guess Hal can't win without his ring either, right?

The funny thing is Thor put down Durok without his hammer and has stalemated the Hulk before. Your post shows you don't read Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's his standard tech. I guess Hal can't win without his ring either, right?



Yeah, but Hal was born human and Thor was born a god....BIG DIFFERENCE...you might as well say the same thing about Iron man. By default Thor should have his own might to aid him...obviously he doesn't since he has to depend on his hammer to win a fight.

No, I don't read THIS current Thor...thank you very much.

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Yeah, but Hal was born human and Thor was born a god....BIG DIFFERENCE...you might as well say the same thing about Iron man. By default Thor should have his own might to aid him...obviously he doesn't since he has to depend on his hammer to win a fight.

No, I don't read THIS current Thor...thank you very much. The hammer grants you the power of Thor. Without it he is still a force though he has relied on his hammer too much, but the power is still his power.

All you have to do to Thor is say,"You can't beat me without your hammer.," and he will usually toss it away himself even if it risks turning him back into some lame twerp.

Thor's a man's man.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The hammer grants you the power of Thor. Without it he is still a force though he has relied on his hammer too much, but the power is still his power.

All you have to do to Thor is say,"You can't beat me without your hammer.," and he will usually toss it away himself even if it risks turning him back into some lame twerp.

Thor's a man's man.

Then he's a weak god....Diana has fought without her lasso and arm bands and still win.

In a pure fight H2H Thor couldn't even beat Sentry. HA!

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Then he's a weak god....Diana has fought without her lasso and arm bands and still win.

In a pure fight H2H Thor couldn't even beat Sentry. HA! Thor beat Durok an opponent who previously beat him without his hammer.

Diana could never match the Hulk's amping strength like Thor has. MM just failed against the Sentry so..........

I think we might actually get to see Thor an dthe Sentry go at it next year.

Originally posted by quanchi112


I think we might actually get to see Thor an dthe Sentry go at it next year.

My money is on Sentry....this current Thor isn't impressive (at least in my eyes)

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
My money is on Sentry....this current Thor isn't impressive (at least in my eyes) How isn't he impressive? Are you cheering for the sentry because you dislike Thor?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How isn't he impressive? Are you cheering for the sentry because you dislike Thor?

*cough*Rulk*cough*

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
*cough*Rulk*cough* He beat Rulk the very next issue and Rulk beat the Gm to death in a few blows and ko'd a Watcher like he was bruce wayne.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat Rulk the very next issue

Pyrrhic victory

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Pyrrhic victory The only reason he won was his location as he used Thor's hammer in space as silly as it was to temporarily beat Thor. Thor came back and practically killed him in a few blows. Without Thor's hammer I don't see Rulk beating him.

His showing against rulk wasnt a low showing. Personally thor would kill sentry prior to being a Molecule manipulator. And after it all depends on his ability to withstand molecule manipulator, and guess what, like superman has T-VO to help against psychic attacks, thor will have something to save him from that form of attack. Thor is Marvels main man, he aint falling to sentry

Team 1 imo. Just better for me.

T1

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering Glads was bloodlusted, had prep so-to-speak, and attacked Jake Olson first, it's not a bad showing from Thor.

And before Thor Girl even intervened, Thor beat the crap out of Glads, laying him down and out on the ground. Let it never be said I'm trying to hide anything:

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Thor_2001_035_31.jpg
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Thor_2001_035_32.jpg
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/Thor_2001_035_33.jpg

As you can plainly see, Glads' is already KTFO before Thor Girl decides to gain some retribution.

Both the first fight and Masterson's Gladiator's speed made both Thors look like fools. The second fight shows how Thor managed a sucker attack after both had saved the plane. He followed through after that sucker attack. This is no different then when Masterson managed a surprise attack on Kallark and connected blows after he was stunned. Otherwise Kallark would've given him a beat down. Look at the first fight when Thor barely managed to knocked back the debris and is blitz by Kallark. The Odinson couldn't cope at all in reaction time, got his hammer act out, and an upper all before he realized what happened. Gladiator removes that hammer long enough from Thor and Thor's going to get pummeled.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor states it when he puts him into the pavement. He was trying to assess the situation and even though still fighting back he was still holding back on Glads. Well that's very common saying in comics. I can find many instances similar to this were people say I'm not going to hold back. Looking at how the fight went it's pretty clear Thor was trying to stop Gladiator. Not like it matters because he was cheapshoted and just because he was on the ground doesn't mean Gladiator was K.O'ed and if he was K.O'ed you really think he needed to be attacked like that.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Airwalker has done better against Thor while he was holding back then Gladiator. The point is on here Thor doesn't revert to a lame human when he loses his hammer and the moment he quit holding back Glads was beaten and fairly easily.
Airwalker also K.Oed Thor with a simple attack. Holding back has nothing to do with his durability which caused the K.O in the first place.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor stomps Glads when he decides to not hold back.
Nope. Gladitor using his speed beats Thor

Originally posted by kgkg
Well that's very common saying in comics. I can find many instances similar to this were people say I'm not going to hold back. Looking at how the fight went it's pretty clear Thor was trying to stop Gladiator. Not like it matters because he was cheapshoted and just because he was on the ground doesn't mean Gladiator was K.O'ed and if he was K.O'ed you really think he needed to be attacked like that.


Airwalker also K.Oed Thor with a simple attack. Holding back has nothing to do with his durability which caused the K.O in the first place.


Nope. Gladitor using his speed beats Thor When characters make statements we don't ignore them we accept their words otherwise it's just you picking and choosing what to accept and what to ignore.

Thor was battling Gladiator but when he quit holding back the power he uses is much more significant. Thor had him at his mercy beneath his feet. Thor made his intentions clear and the whole fight was Glads really trying to kill Thor anyways. That's how it all started.

Thor also killed Airwalker when he quit holding back. That's one of the worst arguments you could ever make. Thor killed him with one hammer strike after he found out he was a machine. That goes to show you how much Thor holds back.

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Glads used a distraction and barely hit him before he could react. With no innocents around and Thor not holding back this ends quickly. Glads accepted Thor's superiority why can't you?

Originally posted by kgkg
Well that's very common saying in comics. I can find many instances similar to this were people say I'm not going to hold back. Looking at how the fight went it's pretty clear Thor was trying to stop Gladiator. Not like it matters because he was cheapshoted and just because he was on the ground doesn't mean Gladiator was K.O'ed and if he was K.O'ed you really think he needed to be attacked like that.


Airwalker also K.Oed Thor with a simple attack. Holding back has nothing to do with his durability which caused the K.O in the first place.


Nope. Gladitor using his speed beats Thor Superman using his super speed isn't beating Thor and Gladz wouldn't either

Originally posted by quanchi112 When characters make statements we don't ignore them we accept their words otherwise it's just you picking and choosing what to accept and what to ignore. That's exactly what you do pick what you like.

Thor has also said that a simple warning shot from Surfer can kill him. So since Thor said that we will take it as fact from now on . I Thor also said Wolverine is to fast for Thor to even hit need I go on about character making statements?

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor was battling Gladiator but when he quit holding back the power he uses is much more significant. Thor had him at his mercy beneath his feet. Thor made his intentions clear and the whole fight was Glads really trying to kill Thor anyways. That's how it all started. Nope Wrong. Gladiator fought Thor Girl beat her fought Thor beat him than got cheapshoted and was attacked again by Thor girl.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Thor also killed Airwalker when he quit holding back. That's one of the worst arguments you could ever make. Thor killed him with one hammer strike after he found out he was a machine. That goes to show you how much Thor holds back. Airwalker durability is shit. Why are you bringing airwalker he was able to put Thor down temp also which was my point. Airwalker going down has nothing to do with his durability I'm not claiming Airwalker > Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112 Glads used a distraction and barely hit him before he could react. With no innocents around and Thor not holding back this ends quickly. Glads accepted Thor's superiority why can't you?
Yes because Thor holding back makes him slower right?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Superman using his super speed isn't beating Thor and Gladz wouldn't either That is why he would lose to Superman and Gladiator. Can Thor beat them? Sure but I don't see him talking majority epically from Superman.

I simply don't see what's so hard to understand about that Glad's/Thor fight. He first and foremost, attacked an unaware JAKE OLSEN, not Thor. It's pretty easy to keep pressing an advantage against a foe that is both unaware at first, essentially defenseless, and holding back. Wow, big showing for Glad's right?

He also banked on that hammer weakness to exploit, after having spied on Thor scuffling with Thor Girl. Not to mention he grabs Mandy, using her to his advantage. He even goes as far to state "Some like to fight. To wage personal war before a conflict is decided. Not me. I prefer to end matters before they escalate."

Anyone can see that the Glads who attacked Thor was a cheap SOB who knew better to engage Thor on his terms, instead using surprise to his advantage.

And what happened once that surprise wore off?

Thor dropped his ass.

Originally posted by kgkg
That's exactly what you do pick what you like.

Thor has also said that a simple warning shot from Surfer can kill him. So since Thor said that we will take it as fact from now on . I Thor also said Wolverine is to fast for Thor to even hit need I go on about character making statements?

Nope Wrong. Gladiator fought Thor Girl beat her fought Thor beat him than got cheapshoted and was attacked again by Thor girl.

Airwalker durability is shit. Why are you bringing airwalker he was able to put Thor down temp also which was my point. Airwalker going down has nothing to do with his durability I'm not claiming Airwalker > Thor.


Yes because Thor holding back makes him slower right? So one statement in an issue overrides two Surfer/Thor fights. Keep in mind one fight had Thor holding back while the Surfer was amped. It doesn't take a genius to figure this one out.

Wrong. Gladiator showed up with the intent to kill an unsuspecting Thor. He used his environment, Thor's reluctance to go all out, and the fact Thor turns into a human without his hammer. When Thor re engaged him he declared his intentions. He put Glads down with a few hammer shots because when the guy doesn't hold back it's no contest.

Because Thor held back. Key point he held back. When Thor came back into the fight and didn't hold back he killed him in one shot. It's harder to own someone while holding back then when trying to kill them. If I fight someone and hold back my punches what are my odds of winning the fight as opposed to me trying to ko the guy?

If there are innocents around and Thor holds back Glads can take him. If Thor doesn't hold back he puts Gladiator down with a few blows. It's like someone engaging Superman and him jumping in front of people and then someone throwing something at him in the meantime. In a forum match it's just Thor and Glads.

Originally posted by kgkg
That is why he would lose to Superman and Gladiator. Can Thor beat them? Sure but I don't see him talking majority epically from Superman. Gladiator never beat an all out Thor. I think Thor beats Superman for the majority out of ten. Even the writer admits as much.