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Depa Billaba has turned against her fellow Councillors, and has been deposited in the Geonosis Arena. She has to defeat each opponent to move onto the next challenger.

1. Yarael Poof
2. Eeth Koth
3. Adi Gallia
4. Oppo Rancisis
5. Yaddle
6. Saesee Tiin
7. Even Piell
8. Plo Koon
9. Ki-Adi-Mundi
10. Mace Windu
11. Yoda

How far do you think she will get?

Who the hell are these clowns?

Originally posted by BoratBorat
Who the hell are these clowns?

Falls at 10. End of story.

Why she Is a better swordsman than Mace

Originally posted by Samurai100
Why she Is a better swordsman than Mace

Well circa TPM, she very well may be. He's not the Vaapad god yet.

Unless this is also TPM Depa, in which case she gets curbstomped at #1.

i know this has been argued a lot but didnt mace say in shatterpoint that depa's bladework surpassed his own or her vapaad mastery or something akin to that?

i'm thinking she dies at 6. and i assumed each battle to contain the most powerful incarnation of each fighter.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i know this has been argued a lot but didnt mace say in shatterpoint that depa's bladework surpassed his own or her vapaad mastery or something akin to that?

I think he said something tho the affect that parts of her swordplay had surpassed that of his own. However, there are two issues w/ that (paraphrased) statement. One, Mace has shown himself to be quite modest when referring to others in relation to himself. Two, even had parts of her bladework surpassed his own, this doesn't necessarily mean that her swordplay exceeds his in a full blown combat scenerio.

Originally posted by truejedi
i'm thinking she dies at 6. and i assumed each battle to contain the most powerful incarnation of each fighter.

Curious. How do you see a Vaapad practitioner fallling to Tin, a Jedi who got saber raped by Sidious?

And that was RotS Tinn, nevermind one with 13 years less experience.

Yes, sorry. I should've stated this in the original post. Each and every combatant, including Depa, are at their peak power.

lol, so THERE Lucien! it WAS ROTS Tinn

Jinsoku: Simply because we have only seen Depa fight a severly wounded Mace Windu. That is her only feat. She is powerful, and she would take Tinn if it were a vs. match, but she has just fought and killed 5 opponents in a row. Fatigue or perhaps injuries gets to her, and down she goes.

Originally posted by truejedi
lol, so THERE Lucien! it WAS ROTS Tinn

Jinsoku: Simply because we have only seen Depa fight a severly wounded Mace Windu. That is her only feat. She is powerful, and she would take Tinn if it were a vs. match, but she has just fought and killed 5 opponents in a row. Fatigue or perhaps injuries gets to her, and down she goes.

Fair enough.

1. So we never got to see her and Mace take out the "circus" or whatever? The reference he makes in SP to fighting an individual AKK dog made it sound like it was in a book.
2. The Depa that fought Mace was not at peak. I will be disappointed if she is never shown anywhere else.

red, i'm not sure what you are referring too.

Hmm, ok? How well do you think she would do if fatigue wasn't an option? Say, after every round she gets a "computer-game-style" health recharge?

in that case: loses to mace and yoda, toss up with Ki-Adi,
Honestly, she might lose to all the masters, she wasn't considered master level for some reason, right?

Originally posted by truejedi
in that case: loses to mace and yoda, toss up with Ki-Adi,
Honestly, she might lose to all the masters, she wasn't considered master level for some reason, right?

"Depa Billaba was a Chalactan Jedi Master serving on the Jedi High Council during the waning days of the Galactic Republic." (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Depa_Billaba)

"A serene yet strong presence on the Jedi Council, Depa Billaba was one of the members of that august body during the waning days of the Jedi order." (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/depabillaba/index.html)

Depa Billaba = Jedi Master.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Curious. How do you see a Vaapad practitioner fallling to Tin, a Jedi who got saber raped by Sidious?
Just because she uses Vaapad dosn't make her OMG UBER!!11!!1! TInn was regarded as one of the most celebrated Swordmasters in the order. I also would agree that Tinn takes her down.

Originally posted by ares834
Just because she uses Vaapad dosn't make her OMG UBER!!11!!1! TInn was regarded as one of the most celebrated Swordmasters in the order. I also would agree that Tinn takes her down.
1. yes it does
2. no. she rapes him anally

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
1. yes it does

Nope. Sora Bulq was hardly Uber and he helped create Vaapad.

Doubt it. Her only feat is to "defeat" Mace when he refuses to "strike back" and when he does not even fully immerse himself in the force for fear of falling to the shadows... Heck, he was pwned earlier by Kar Vastor.

1 but he didnt master it
2 she will defeat him
3 the word is "immerse"
4 she has a unique amp that expands her power a lot and Mace wasnt at full but that doesnt mean that she couldnt beat him anyway:
x + 5 > y - 2
x ? y
do u see how that works
5 Vastor is a beast that is no shame besides he fulfilled his victory condishions how is thatlosing?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
1 but he didnt master it
Depa gave into the DS. Thus she seems to have also been mastered by Vaapad.

Great arguing skills...

What are you talking about?

So you are just claiming that she can beat Mace... Despite the fact that she has no feats. Sure Mace claims she is better than him, but he also claims Obi Wan is greater as well.

True. But it implies how much he was holding back.

this depends on how u define mastered and what is doing the mastering im not entirely sure of the details of the other case but Depa gave in to warfare not vaapad or the allure of power

no it is not i misspoke what i meant to say is that, given my intuitive grasp of relative power levels implicit in the hierarchical Jedi Order it is likely that Depa would emerge victorious from a martial contest with Tiin i gladly retract my initial statement

the attribute that Mace was praising inKenobi is a different one than the attribute he identified in Depa he did not call Kenobi the better combatant but the better swordsman in a primarily methodological or at least psychological aspect with Depa he states flat out that she is a better fighter than he i think it is telling that he feels that he is the only jedi fit to bring her in- not yoda not kenobi only him this is for two reasons one is his personal connection the other is that he is a more capable combatant can you imagine mace windu sending someone to do a job he was afraid to do no i didnt think so

i think i should make a note here that you are only claiming here that tiin will win despite the fact that he has no feats we seem to be in the same boat you and i lol im on a boat but srsly dude you havent made your case and as i mentioned i misspoke wen i said depa would win so lulz but the burden of proof is off of me so u will prove ur case or back down


you just suggested that mace COULD have defeated Vastor had he not been "holding back" and as this idea does not harm my position i will not challenge it but in the future i would suggest that you think about blindly disagreeing with what your adversary says because as in this case you might end up helping them and having to spend time erasing your OWN points rather than deconstructing theirs

if you can get meaning out of this line of symbols then ur a better reader than i but srsly dood make ur c ase and maybe i'll take an opposing position and tgeb where transipring or at least would be transpiring sum majr deb8 but rite nao u gotta do ur part,,,

Depa could die at any of them although I think she would more likely fall to Piell then to Saesee Tiin. Even 2 or 3 could prove tough for her if not fatal. (not that I have anything against Poof but I can't see him winning this sort of battle)

die to Piell? Piell lost to 5 stormtroopers without taking a single one of them out. a pathetic showing.

ares834
Nope. Sora Bulq was hardly Uber

Depa likely makes it to Mace.

Originally posted by Eminence


Depa likely makes it to Mace.
When I said Uber I mean one of the best. So while he may be very powerful he is not top tier. Which he clearly isn't.

ares834
When I said Uber I mean one of the best. So while he may be very powerful he is not top tier. Which he clearly isn't.
You apparently believe that Bulq not being "one of the best" means that Depa is not necessarily "one of the best," and therefore Saesee Tinn, who you say is "regarded as one of the most celebrated swordmasters in the Order" - which I suppose would mean to you that he is "one of the best" - would defeat her.

This makes no sense.

1.) If Saesee Tinn is "one of the best," Sora Bulq is most definitely "one of the best." The Databank proclaims him to be "one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has ever known."

2.) At no point have we seen anyone best Sora Bulq in a contest of lightsaber skill. As you'll recall, Count Dooku - one of the most gifted Jedi in history, an enormously powerful Sith Lord, the greatest master of a form designed and refined for lightsaber combat - ended his duel with Bulq by blasting him with his considerably powerful Force-lightning. Mace Windu - the creator and master of Vaapad, beneficiary of an extraordinary talent with shatterpoints, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order - ended his duel with Bulq by hurling him away with the Force and promptly left to attend to other matters. I'll note that Bulq had already done the same to Windu earlier in their duel, suggesting that they fought on relatively even footing.

So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also. It would then stand to reason that the duelist Mace Windu himself considers to have "surpassed" him would also be "one of the best." Even accounting for Mace's modesty and his fondness for his old apprentice, the suggestion that a decade prior Depa had put on a display of swordsmanship that outshone his own would indicate that she at least rivals him in technical ability with the lightsaber.

So to sum it up, yes, Sora Bulq most certainly is one of the best there is, and yes, partly by extension, Depa can be surmised to rank with the top tier as well. There's no good reason to assume Tinn has en edge on her.

I missed you.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I missed you. QFT. (In Case) and Genuinely.

I'd profile this, but the love would detract from the lulz.

Originally posted by Eminence
You apparently believe that Bulq not being "one of the best" means that Depa is not necessarily "one of the best," and therefore Saesee Tinn, who you say is "regarded as one of the most celebrated swordmasters in the Order" - which I suppose would mean to you that he is "one of the best" - would defeat her.

This makes no sense.

1.) If Saesee Tinn is "one of the best," Sora Bulq is most definitely "one of the best." The Databank proclaims him to be "one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Jedi Order has ever known."

2.) At no point have we seen anyone best Sora Bulq in a contest of lightsaber skill. As you'll recall, Count Dooku - one of the most gifted Jedi in history, an enormously powerful Sith Lord, the greatest master of a form designed and refined for lightsaber combat - ended his duel with Bulq by blasting him with his considerably powerful Force-lightning. Mace Windu - the creator and master of Vaapad, beneficiary of an extraordinary talent with shatterpoints, one of the most powerful Jedi Masters in the Order - ended his duel with Bulq by hurling him away with the Force and promptly left to attend to other matters. I'll note that Bulq had already done the same to Windu earlier in their duel, suggesting that they fought on relatively even footing.

So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also. It would then stand to reason that the duelist Mace Windu himself considers to have "surpassed" him would also be "one of the best." Even accounting for Mace's modesty and his fondness for his old apprentice, the suggestion that a decade prior Depa had put on a display of swordsmanship that outshone his own would indicate that she at least rivals him in technical ability with the lightsaber.

So to sum it up, yes, Sora Bulq most certainly is one of the best there is, and yes, partly by extension, Depa can be surmised to rank with the top tier as well. There's no good reason to assume Tinn has en edge on her.

Originally posted by Eminence
So, a rational analysis of the available evidence would thus suggest that, should Saesee Tinn be considered "uber" or "one of the best," Sora Bulq must also. Never said Tiin was uber.

Technical ability does not win duels. Anoon Bondara was second to none when it comes down to technical ability but he was still outdueled by Jinn, Windu, and Maul.

I doubt it. I would not place Bulq in the top tier. High sure, but below the likes of Windu, Skywalker, Dooku, and Yoda. Regardless neither Tiin nor Depa really have many feats so it is terribly hard to judge their abilites. But the fact is Depa will be at a major disavantage in their duel, she will be tired down from her preivous fights giving Tiin a major edge.

ares834
Never said Tiin was uber.So you don't believe "one of the most celebrated swordsmen in the Order" ranks as "one of the best" duelists around?

Where was Bondara stated to have been "outdueled" by Jinn and Windu? Passage and source, if you don't mind.

Further:What the highlighted portion seeks to introduce is the idea that, as far as our purposes are concerned, Sora Bulq was never "outdueled." Two of the most revered and dangerous swordsmen of all time ended their duels with him by using the Force, not their lightsabers. Anoon Bondara was entirely outmatched by Darth Maul in a strict display of martial prowess; this was never the case with the men who challenged Sora Bulq.

That's great. Unfortunately, what you "doubt" or "would " don't hold up as arguments.

Who, after being floored by Bulq at one point in their duel, simply threw him down in kind and left?

I believe it speaks to Bulq's ability as a warrior that the man who downed Palpatine couldn't conclude their duel with a kill or even an arrest, as would have presumably been his terms after discovering Bulq's new agenda.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that they're equals, per se, but I think it's safe to conclude that Bulq closely rivals Windu's skills.

Who, again, resorted to lightning instead of dispatching Bulq with his own legendary dueling skills. I'll point out that Dooku seems to relish opportunities to humiliate perceived inferiors of nonetheless tremendous repute - his duels with Obi-Wan and Anakin in Attack of the Clones stand out, as does his treatment of Master Tholme after he took down Bulq - with his lightsaber, rather than resorting to his rarely rivaled power in the Force. He only seems to bring the Force to bear when he's threatened and/or feels the need to retreat, such as the times he faced Yoda and Mace Windu.

In Tinn's case, perhaps. Depa has enough in the manner of accolades and indirect logical conclusions that we should be able to get a rough estimate of where she'd rank, and from what I can see she'd rank higher individually than any of her opponents here barring the final two.

Endurance won't be an issue outside the individual duels.