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No pis/cis


Who wins

Darkseid

Darkseid does..

Darkseid

Darkseid uses more than one ****ing power at a time and hammers Superman with some mean psi-bolts while unleashing the omega beams. No way Superman would be able to do his "dodging" then.

Darkseid stomps. Superman is simply not on his level at all. Him winning is always a case of serious PIS/CIS.

Originally posted by Uxas Khan
No pis/cis

Poor Supes

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Darkseid uses more than one ****ing power at a time and hammers Superman with some mean psi-bolts while unleashing the omega beams. No way Superman would be able to do his "dodging" then.
Or the lulworthy blocking them with heat vision.

Superman.

Someone's not familiar with the combo to KO principle.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Someone's not familiar with the combo to KO principle.
One day I'd like to see H1A8 write a detailed essay explaining exactly wtf that means. I think I know what its supposed to mean but I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Someone's not familiar with the combo to KO principle.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
One day I'd like to see H1A8 write a detailed essay explaining exactly wtf that means. I think I know what its supposed to mean but I'm not sure.
Let me lay down some math for you here.

Superspeed + super strength = death irregardless of abilities/power level

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let me lay down some math for you here.

Superspeed + super strength = death irregardless of abilities/power level you're misinterpreting it.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let me lay down some math for you here.

Superspeed + super strength = death irregardless of abilities/power level

Dont forget the red S on the chest.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
With respect how does a PIS/CIS free Darkseid fail to defeat Superman with his OE or myriad other powers? Without CIS it won't degenerate into a slugfest which is really the only chance Superman has at winning.
He plows through every one of them and then physically beats him down, like he always does.

Imo, if Superman were in the same mindset he was in during "Superman/Batman" #13, he'd win every single time... Though I am also of the opinion that you could have put pretty much anyone in front of Superman at that point, and he would have crushed them.

A pissed off Supes is a very dangerous fella.

^as dangerous as SBP? biscuits

Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, if Superman were in the same mindset he was in during "Superman/Batman" #13, he'd win every single time... Though I am also of the opinion that you could have put pretty much anyone in front of Superman at that point, and he would have crushed them.

A pissed off Supes is a very dangerous fella.
Yes but so is a competent no-CIS Darkseid, a person that hasn't been seen all that much since the Crisis.

^ Not debating that. Like I said, it's just my opinion that if Supes were fighting to the aforementioned standard, he'd steamroll through Darky.

Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, if Superman were in the same mindset he was in during "Superman/Batman" #13, he'd win every single time... Though I am also of the opinion that you could have put pretty much anyone in front of Superman at that point, and he would have crushed them.

A pissed off Supes is a very dangerous fella.
Yeah.

He's got that incredible super strength and speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Not debating that. Like I said, it's just my opinion that if Supes were fighting to the aforementioned standard, he'd steamroll through Darky.
A pissed off Superman is powered by Midwest American Morality and Walking Tall-style righteous fury. He'd kick the Living Tribunal's ass while giving him a speech about how Pa Kent once showed him the proper way how to fix a tractor and how that somehow proves that abortion is morally wrong.

^ That's why he's the f*cking man.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Darkseid stomps. Superman is simply not on his level at all. Him winning is always a case of serious PIS/CIS.

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Superman wins this 8/10. He has proven on two many of occasion that he can bi*** slap darkseid on any given day.

I use to believe that it was pis/cis but it has happened so many times that you basically have to accept the truth.

Ah, so Superman won't be in boyscout mode and holding back plus using all his powers to their fullest. Cool.

Superman wtfspeedblitzes DS into pained pwnage.

superdur

Originally posted by Badabing
Ah, so Superman won't be in boyscout mode and holding back plus using all his powers to their fullest. Cool.

Superman wtfspeedblitzes DS into pained pwnage.

superdur
No PIS Omega Beams are faster than any speedblitz. Plus he could probably just siphon the solar energy right out of Clark's body, if he depowered Secret I don't see why he can't depower Superman.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No PIS Omega Beams are faster than any speedblitz. No CIS Supes means omega beams miss him by default. sneer

Originally posted by Badabing
No CIS Supes means omega beams miss him by default. sneer
But no CIS Darkseid means he aims for real. sneer

Darkseid .

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But no CIS Darkseid means he aims for real. sneer mmm


Nuh uh! uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
mmm


Nuh uh! uhuh
Yeah-huh!
uhuh

Is it sad that this is actually pretty mature for a KMC debate?

Superman 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Superman 8/10
Silence fool!

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Is it sad that this is actually pretty mature for a KMC debate? Right?

People get waaaaay to wrapped up in some of these debates. You get people who ignore and lowball feats or just don't know about the characters. I always found it easier to just dur people.

^ I've got your 'lowballs'. biscuits

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I've got your 'lowballs'. biscuits
You're a potty-mouth!

Superman wins. If people want to ignore the comics and rig the fight for Ds then that's pretty much the only way he is taking a majority here.

Originally posted by Uxas Khan
No pis/cis

I think most will argue that the above rule benefits Seid more than it would Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think most will argue that the above rule benefits Seid more than it would Superman. How so?

Originally posted by quanchi112
How so?

Without the limitations of PIS/CIS, Darkseid would have crushed Superman a long ass time ago, imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Without the limitations of PIS/CIS, Darkseid would have crushed Superman a long ass time ago, imo. Supes is fast enough to block/dodge the omega effect and that's always been darkseid's only real advantage. When they go toe to toe Supes will always break him.

Darkseid rips the S off Clarks chest then kills him

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes is fast enough to block/dodge the omega effect and that's always been darkseid's only real advantage. When they go toe to toe Supes will always break him.
The part about no CIS/PIS is that without those the OE should NEVER MISS OR FAIL. That's in Darkseid's basic character description, he looks at you and unless you're a skyfather or above you die.
No CIS/PIS Darkseid can mind-rape Superman, time-travel, teleport Supes into a black hole, erase him with the OE, transmute him into salt.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Darkseid rips the S off Clarks chest then kills him Not. Gonna. Happen. More like ds begging for mercy and swearing Superman to a pinkie promise.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The part about no CIS/PIS is that without those the OE should NEVER MISS OR FAIL. That's in Darkseid's basic character description, he looks at you and unless you're a skyfather or above you die.
No CIS/PIS Darkseid can mind-rape Superman, time-travel, teleport Supes into a black hole, erase him with the OE, transmute him into salt. Supes can deflect it though and evade it. A writer has also stated supes would persevere through it if it were to hit him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not. Gonna. Happen. More like ds begging for mercy and swearing Superman to a pinkie promise.

Supes can deflect it though and evade it. A writer has also stated supes would persevere through it if it were to hit him.
**** that writer. Darkseid's bio makes it clear that such bullshit should never happen.
You're operating as if it doesn't say no CIS/PIS when it clearly does. But what can one expect from a Darkseid hater?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
**** that writer. Darkseid's bio makes it clear that such bullshit should never happen.
You're operating as if it doesn't say no CIS/PIS when it clearly does. But what can one expect from a Darkseid hater? Comic piss all over your bio. My point is comics and a writer backs me up. You can choose to deny what happens in the comics till your blue in the face. It makes you biased while I live in reality.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Comic piss all over your bio. My point is comics and a writer backs me up. You can choose to deny what happens in the comics till your blue in the face. It makes you biased while I live in reality.
What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Comics are never infallible and such things as PIS and CIS exist though you don't ever acknowledge that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman wins. If people want to ignore the comics and rig the fight for Ds then that's pretty much the only way he is taking a majority here.

If we go by comics DS has looked better in the showings between him and Superman then the other way around.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Comics are never infallible and such things as PIS and CIS exist though you don't ever acknowledge that. You're picking and choosing what counts and what doesn't count meaning you are rigging it for one side.

Superman wins. He has proven he can pound in DS's face and that the vaunted OE cannot hurt him as he has dodged it and deflected it many times.

I just don't see how a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Superman can take down a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Darkseid.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I just don't see how a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Superman can take down a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Darkseid.
By punching him in the face until he dies.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He has proven he can pound in DS's face and that the vaunted OE cannot hurt him as he has dodged it and deflected it many times.

*facepalm*

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I just don't see how a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Superman can take down a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Darkseid. Speed and hv.

Again, I just don't see how a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Superman can take down a non jobbing PIS/CIS off Darkseid.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Superman wins. He has proven he can pound in DS's face and that the vaunted OE cannot hurt him as he has dodged it and deflected it many times.
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/frusty.gif
Read the ****ing opening post. You're describing PIS.

How will Supes beat Thanos Quan?Originally posted by quanchi112
Speed and hv.

Originally posted by Badabing
How will Supes beat Thanos Quan? Send up a flare for Mistress death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Send up a flare for Mistress death.

FYI, Thanos is returning soon in Guardians of the Galaxy

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://images.killermovies.com/forums/moresmilies/frusty.gif
Read the ****ing opening post. You're describing PIS.
No i'm describing something that consistently happens many times when they fight. That's not PIS, that's an established capability of supes.

Originally posted by -K-M-
FYI, Thanos is returning soon in Guardians of the Galaxy
And Quan's South has Risen again.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And Quan's South has Risen again.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No i'm describing something that consistently happens many times when they fight. That's not PIS, that's an established capability of supes.
And the OE is supposed to never miss and erase its target.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And the OE is supposed to never miss and erase its target.
And yet, it has been proven to not be so.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No i'm describing something that consistently happens many times when they fight. That's not PIS, that's an established capability of supes.

No it doesn't actually.

There is far more times the OE hitting and hurting Superman then not.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No it doesn't actually.

There is far more times the OE hitting and hurting Superman then not.
And yet, it's never auto-erased him like claimed.

Darkseid.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Dorkseid.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And yet, it's never auto-erased him like claimed.

Because he hasn't used the full omega effect, just the Omega Blasts which are different.

This is pretty much how I see it even on New Earth*
1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupBatGen3-010-21.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupBatGen3-010-22.jpg

*From Superman/Batman Generations

Originally posted by King Kandy
And yet, it's never auto-erased him like claimed.
Because a PIS character shield protects DC's Golden Boy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Because a PIS character shield protects DC's Golden Boy.
It's not PIS, it's a capability he's shown more than once and due to his unique nature in the universe.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's not PIS, it's a capability he's shown more than once and due to his unique nature in the universe.
Yeah that's what I said, a PIS character shield. That's pretty damn unique. Its the only other force in comics that can match Doom's ego. I say "match" because the Batkick beats both.

Originally posted by -K-M-
FYI, Thanos is returning soon in Guardians of the Galaxy Ah, thanks. I did not know this. Have a link? I don't peruse other sites and only hit up links when I see them on boards.


to tell you the truth I wanted him to stay dead for a while. Less is better imo.Originally posted by Omega Vision
And Quan's South has Risen again. I am Thanos.Originally posted by Omega Vision
And the OE is supposed to never miss and erase its target. Depends on which writer is handling it. I gave an example of one writer actually admitting it wouldn't erase Superman.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It's not PIS, it's a capability he's shown more than once and due to his unique nature in the universe. "Everything comes from Superman" "Superman's story is the most powerful thing in the multiverse" blah blah screw him

Originally posted by iceman24567
"Everything comes from Superman" "Superman's story is the most powerful thing in the multiverse" blah blah screw him That's dc for ya.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ah, thanks. I did not know this. Have a link? I don't peruse other sites and only hit up links when I see them on boards.

to tell you the truth I wanted him to stay dead for a while.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-april-2010-solicitations-100119.html

When the f*ck are people gonna realize that the rules don't apply to Superman?

Originally posted by batdude123
When the f*ck are people gonna realize that the rules don't apply to Superman?

Wednesday.

^

Originally posted by -K-M-
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-april-2010-solicitations-100119.html I am a few issues behind. I'll have to catch up on my gotg issues.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ah, thanks. I did not know this. Have a link? I don't peruse other sites and only hit up links when I see them on boards.


to tell you the truth I wanted him to stay dead for a while. Less is better imo. I am Thanos. Depends on which writer is handling it. I gave an example of one writer actually admitting it wouldn't erase Superman.
So then Thanos, if you're going to be back in comics again does that mean we won't have to deal with you on this board anymore?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So then Thanos, if you're going to be back in comics again does that mean we won't have to deal with you on this board anymore? I have an omnipresence. I can do both for I am Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have an omnipresence. I can do both for I am Thanos.
You're going to make a psychologist very happy one day when he gets to make you a case study.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You're going to make a psychologist very happy one day when he gets to make you a case study. Yeah, exhibit a(my posting history on kmc and other various boards). Right?

I mean most men who frequent boards about fictional matchups concerning fictional characters are just normal as apple pie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, exhibit a(my posting history on kmc and other various boards). Right?

I mean most men who frequent boards about fictional matchups concerning fictional characters are just normal as apple pie.
Somehow I doubt RL Quan is much different from KMC Quan.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Somehow I doubt RL Quan is much different from KMC Quan. Because my name is quan irl too, amirite?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because my name is quan irl too, amirite?
No, your name is Thanos.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No, your name is Thanos. Now you are catching on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am a few issues behind. I'll have to catch up on my gotg issues.

Hopefully your man gets written better than he was before his recent death.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hopefully your man gets written better than he was before his recent death.
Thanos comics were not bad.

His annihilation stuff was some of the best I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Allankles
Hopefully your man gets written better than he was before his recent death. I liked the manner in which he was portrayed in annihilation and have no problem with the very being who was created to defeat Thanos kill him while Thanos' back was turned.

I am just glad Morrison isn't writing him as I don't tend to trust the guy.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Thanos comics were not bad.

His annihilation stuff was some of the best I've ever seen.

Annhilation was good inspite of Thanos not because of him. If Thanos - as he was written in that event - was carrying the main storyline Annhilation wouldn't have been as good.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I liked the manner in which he was portrayed in annihilation and have no problem with the very being who was created to defeat Thanos kill him while Thanos' back was turned.

I am just glad Morrison isn't writing him as I don't tend to trust the guy.

Morrison would actually be one of the few writers that could pull off an intriguing Thanos.

Originally posted by Allankles
Annhilation was good inspite of Thanos not because of him. If Thanos - as he was written in that event - was carrying the main storyline Annhilation wouldn't have been as good. Iyo. I also found fc to be completely boring and to have been all talk with no real bite by Morrison.Originally posted by Allankles
Morrison would actually be one of the few writers that could pull off an intriguing Thanos. Seeing his big story on Darkseid in fc I'd never want him near Thanos.

I'll remember Darkseid's quotes in FC and Seven Soldier's, hell I'll remember his quotes from Kirby's Hunger Dogs. Can you remember a single memorable thing Thanos said in Annhilation?

Thanos is always supposed to be a smart guy but no one ever writes him in a smart way. He doesn't carry out psychological warfare like Darkseid, he doesn't have as convincing a reason as Darkseid to acquire power or rule the universe. In terms of his motivations Thanos is always in limbo.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'll remember Darkseid's quotes in FC and Seven Soldier's, hell I'll remember his quotes from Kirby's Hunger Dogs. Can you remember a single memorable thing Thanos said in Annhilation?

Thanos is always supposed to be a smart guy but no one ever writes him in a smart way. He doesn't carry out psychological warfare like Darkseid, he doesn't have as convincing a reason as Darkseid to acquire power or rule the universe. In terms of his motivations Thanos is always in limbo.

Thats the way it seems in most cases.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'll remember Darkseid's quotes in FC and Seven Soldier's, hell I'll remember his quotes from Kirby's Hunger Dogs. Can you remember a single memorable thing Thanos said in Annhilation?

Thanos is always supposed to be a smart guy but no one ever writes him in a smart way. He doesn't carry out psychological warfare like Darkseid, he doesn't have as convincing a reason as Darkseid to acquire power or rule the universe. In terms of his motivations Thanos is always in limbo. So you like ceratin stories because of memorable lines? To each his own I guess. Thanos had great lines in other crossovers and none that come to the top of my mind. I can't recall anything Seid saying in fc being even remotely cool.

Not. At. All. Seid is the same boring/stale character imo over and over again while Thanos grows as a character. Seid needs to get the heck over the ale. It's been over 30 years and writers still include this as a main focus of Darkseid's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you like ceratin stories because of memorable lines? To each his own I guess. Thanos had great lines in other crossovers and none that come to the top of my mind. I can't recall anything Seid saying in fc being even remotely cool.

Not. At. All. Seid is the same boring/stale character imo over and over again while Thanos grows as a character. Seid needs to get the heck over the ale. It's been over 30 years and writers still include this as a main focus of Darkseid's.

I don't like certain stories for memorable lines but for good writing, good writing will inevitably have good lines. The ALE will always be a part of Darkseid because it's his argument for why he is the rightful ruler of creation.

The ALE proves that freedom and free will are in fact false and that DS is the only constant and truth in reality.

And obviously DS isn't going to be diluted like Thanos, becoming anything less than an overwhelming tyrant is unacceptable for a guy like DS. His quest is the reason for his existence afterall, to put the universe into its "true" order.

Do you expect Batman to stop being a crime fighter? Iconic characters remain the same, and Darkseid is iconic. Its guys who haven't yet established a firm identity like Thanos that have to be reevaluated everytime.

Darkseid is iconic.

This is a travesty of a statement.

Another point, when it comes down to personality Darkseid has a rather complex personality, as can be proven by memorable quote after quote.

What is simple in Darkseid's case is his quest, his quest is simple enough on the surface. The exercusion of his goal/s can be complicated of course, since DS doesn't have the benefit of an all powerful artifact to rewrite all the laws of reality.

Originally posted by Blanket
Darkseid is iconic.

This is a travesty of a statement.

Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS.

thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"

Originally posted by Allankles
Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS. Most cosmic villians have one or two appearances... so you have me there. Darkseid > two appearance Carl.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"
Neither of them really have much in the way of personality. I like Darkseid more because unlike Thanos he has no pretense of being anything but a cosmic douchebag.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thanos has far more personality than darkseid does

we should make a battlezone to find out who's "cooler"

True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them really have much in the way of personality. I like Darkseid more because unlike Thanos he has no pretense of being anything but a cosmic douchebag.

not sure how you read him that way, opinions differ i guess.

thanos is basically a "if i was a comic, that's what i would do" type of character: he gathers power himself without sitting an a throne all day and commanding hapless lackeys to incompetently do something he could and should do himself, self modifies his body and power so he's always far above his opponents, "fights forum like" to beat opponents by using his powers as effective as possible, and like in a tournament, can and has repeatedly became "LT level" as quick as possible.

the guy's a true pimp

Originally posted by Allankles
True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll. anyone can

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Neither of them really have much in the way of personality. I like Darkseid more because unlike Thanos he has no pretense of being anything but a cosmic douchebag.

I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail.
Same thing in the end. Marvel has a problem with that sort of thing (Doom, Magneto)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not sure how you read him that way, opinions differ i guess.

thanos is basically a "if i was a comic, that's what i would do" type of character: he gathers power himself without sitting an a throne all day and commanding hapless lackeys to incompetently do something he could and should do himself, self modifies his body and power so he's always far above his opponents, "fights forum like" to beat opponents by using his powers as effective as possible, and like in a tournament, can and has repeatedly became "LT level" as quick as possible.

But you forget to mention that his opposition seems to lose brain cells in the process of his artifact quests. There's something to be said for a guy being direct, but his opposition looks pretty damn weak in the process which takes away from the earlier positives.

I think you have to more balanced when you're writing a comic, otherwise it looks like some fan fiction a 12 year old came up with.



Originally posted by psycho gundam
anyone can

I know, I just want to see Quan's definition of cool.

i guess it comes down to him out maneuvering them by being many steps ahead of his opposition.

the only instance that i would say you are correct in the statement above is the thanos mini where galactus gathers the gems to rid himself of his hunger in a foolish way.

I think you could add Thanos Quest to the list. Inbetweener, Champion, Runner et al were all pretty dumb in that story. The guys who looked half smart like the Gardener and Grandmaster acted too late or didn't even know the power they had.

In fact none of the Elders save Grandmaster really knew what they had, which is odd because they're assumed to be smart and ancient.

well, the elders are over obsessed with their pursuits to the point of looking absent minded in terms of other areas of life. the collector didn't even take the time to explore the reality gem, and the runner and champion were content with the simple subconscious usage of their gems.

Which is all just a convenient excuse to allow the villain to come and punch them in the mouth and make away with all powerful gems.

not really, he used different methods for each of them, and used the gems he accumulated to facilitate him.

only the grandmaster knew the power of the gems, thanos was just the superior cheater. and like a said before, grandmaster's obsession with his pursuit (gambling/gaming) lead to his downfall.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think you could add Thanos Quest to the list. Inbetweener, Champion, Runner et al were all pretty dumb in that story. The guys who looked half smart like the Gardener and Grandmaster acted too late or didn't even know the power they had.

In fact none of the Elders save Grandmaster really knew what they had, which is odd because they're assumed to be smart and ancient. And you're acting like all of them are shown to be above those intelligence levels...

IB just wanted out, and then he planned to turn on Thanos. I'd want out too if I was locked in a tiny cage.

Runner. What a genius he normally is... same with Champ...

And why would they know what power they had? These are the same guys that banded together and connected a sun/planets to the gems in an effort to drain Galactus... and then got swiftly eaten after Nova destroyed the sun...

Save Grandmaster... funny because he's really the only one who's smart.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't like certain stories for memorable lines but for good writing, good writing will inevitably have good lines. The ALE will always be a part of Darkseid because it's his argument for why he is the rightful ruler of creation.

The ALE proves that freedom and free will are in fact false and that DS is the only constant and truth in reality.

And obviously DS isn't going to be diluted like Thanos, becoming anything less than an overwhelming tyrant is unacceptable for a guy like DS. His quest is the reason for his existence afterall, to put the universe into its "true" order.

Do you expect Batman to stop being a crime fighter? Iconic characters remain the same, and Darkseid is iconic. Its guys who haven't yet established a firm identity like Thanos that have to be reevaluated everytime. He isn't the rightful ruler of creation he's just a nutcase who believes it so.

The ale has never proven this to be the case. It's been overcome as has Darkseid in each and every story.

Yes, and Thanos has actually achieved what Darkseid is still pining after. Ds is a guy gunned down by Batman, outsung by Superman, and outvillained in his major event. That's not something I would want for Thanos by any means.

Thanos hasn't been reevauluated it's just his experiences and triumphs have changed him. He's grown as a character. That's something I like to see as opposed to a cardboard cutout for an evil character. Describing someone as ultimate evil is the oldest trick in the book and one that's been done to multiple characters time and time again.

Originally posted by Allankles
Arguably the greatest comic book villain of all time Bran. You'r open to disagree naturally, but I'm content to the fact that I can make an argument for it.

Most cosmic villains aren't half as interesting as DS. This is all entirely subjective. You saying he's cooler and someone disagreeing with you is just opinion based. It's like me arguing the color orange is better than the color blue.

Originally posted by Allankles
True. I'll let Quan post what he feels are Thanos' coolest moments. I hope he doesn't post Thanos tearing up while holding a doll. I wouldn't know where to begin. he's had so many cool moments, but at the end of the day you'd still harp and exaggerate Seid anyways.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Thanos as a character pretends, I think writers just attempt to make him more complex and fail. The real issue here is success rate as opposed to failure rate. Thanos succeeds at his goals while Darkseid fails at his. The goal of a plan is for it to succeed not to see whose plan is more complicated.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which is all just a convenient excuse to allow the villain to come and punch them in the mouth and make away with all powerful gems. Except he didn't do that at all. he used his mind to trick each one out of their gems. He beat them at their own games and actually had some hand over the gems.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Dont forget the red S on the chest.


and lets not forget supermans LIFTING feats.


DS wins however superman is the only hearld that really has the ability to , step it up and actually do some dmg to DS. Superman loses but he dont just roll over like a dead horse he will put up a fight.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'll remember Darkseid's quotes in FC and Seven Soldier's, hell I'll remember his quotes from Kirby's Hunger Dogs. Can you remember a single memorable thing Thanos said in Annhilation?

Thanos is always supposed to be a smart guy but no one ever writes him in a smart way. He doesn't carry out psychological warfare like Darkseid, he doesn't have as convincing a reason as Darkseid to acquire power or rule the universe. In terms of his motivations Thanos is always in limbo.



The only time DS personality is described as archetypical as Thanos's is when he appears in an Superman comic. oh

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And the OE is supposed to never miss and erase its target.

But how does darkseid win when he doesnt have feats comparable to Superman?

Originally posted by carver9
But how does darkseid win when he doesnt have feats comparable to Superman?
Carver you're the last person who should be considered a reliable authority on what feats Superman does and doesn't have.
Its the other way around.
Read Darkseid's respect thread. Superman (without external amps and such) doesn't have feats comparable to Darkseid. Simply put Darkseid is supposed to be on a higher level than Superman and only looses because Superman has to win for the sake of plot and because a lot of the writers who write him don't seem to know shit about Darkseid's history and past characterization.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Carver you're the last person who should be considered a reliable authority on what feats Superman does and doesn't have.
Its the other way around.
Read Darkseid's respect thread. Superman (without external amps and such) doesn't have feats comparable to Darkseid. Simply put Darkseid is supposed to be on a higher level than Superman and only looses because Superman has to win for the sake of plot and because a lot of the writers who write him don't seem to know shit about Darkseid's history and past characterization.

Darkseid physically doesnt have anything close to the feats that Superman has so he'll lose almost every time if Superman brings this up close and personal.

Personalli i held Thanos and Darkseid on the same level for years

a nothc above high herald characters but like said Darkseid had some por writers and suffer from sueprmans PIS aura. The last showing of Darkseid appeared to put him on an even higher level then Thanos dare i say it but didn't back it up enough feat wise "yes i no what was implied don't beat on my D/C freaks

But either way he pimpslaps Superman around

Originally posted by carver9
Darkseid physically doesnt have anything close to the feats that Superman has so he'll lose almost every time if Superman brings this up close and personal.
He utterly trounced Blasphemy who was a match for Etrigan. He also manhandled Superman in OWAW when it got "close and personal".

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He utterly trounced Blasphemy who was a match for Etrigan. He also manhandled Superman in OWAW when it got "close and personal".

We dont go by who someone fought, didnt you say that we go by lifting feats, etc.... in the bor vs Superman thread?

Honestly, I could see darkseid TROUNCING supes BUT I'm going to use omegas own logic against him so he can see how it feels.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Carver you're the last person who should be considered a reliable authority on what feats Superman does and doesn't have.
Its the other way around.
Read Darkseid's respect thread. Superman (without external amps and such) doesn't have feats comparable to Darkseid. Simply put Darkseid is supposed to be on a higher level than Superman and only looses because Superman has to win for the sake of plot and because a lot of the writers who write him don't seem to know shit about Darkseid's history and past characterization. You haven't given any examples. You can't give examples because it's completely false that Darkseid's feats are greater than Superman's. Try debating for once and sending someone a respect thread link without giving one example is typical of someone who doesn't know of any feats off hand.Originally posted by Omega Vision
He utterly trounced Blasphemy who was a match for Etrigan. He also manhandled Superman in OWAW when it got "close and personal". Superman was also recently beaten up by Black Racer. Seid held him there for a moment that's not a legitimate win. At the end of the arc they stalemated again.