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Let's use Hal, Kyle or whatever. Who is more versatile? And why?

About on equal footing. I think you'd be hardpressed to find an ability that one has that the other has not demonstrated at some point.

Green Lantern.

Surfer can't create a giant green baseball glove.

Green Lantern is more versatile. But the Silver Surfer would rock or Kyle

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Let's use Hal, Kyle or whatever. Who is more versatile? And why?
GO to the battlezone

Let's use Hal.

SS.

Surfer has the more versatile power.. and displays of it...
even against a guy like hal.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t513639.html

Green Lantern >>> SS or any glorified Galactus errand boy

Originally posted by rotiart
Surfer has the more versatile power.. and displays of it...
even against a guy like hal.

Even counting Pre-Crisis days of Hal? He did pretty much anything. Energy manipulation, time travel, transmutation, teleportation, healing, energy bolts, you name it. What feats does Surfer have that puts him above Hal in versatility? Something that Hal hasn't done?

Surfer is more versatile..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Surfer is more versatile..

I like your reasoning.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I like your reasoning.

i have no actual reason whatsoever..u see..my favorite hero is Surfer followed by Flash and GL..they are about even in versatility but because i like Surfer more..i said Surfer is more versatile..

Gotcha.

can GLs synthesise magic?
can they see into the past/future?
can they steal/absorp souls?
can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?
can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?

I dunno, I think Surfer is being underestimated here.

Originally posted by janus77
can GLs synthesise magic?
can they see into the past/future?
can they steal/absorp souls?
can they drag people into the Astral/spiritual plane?
can GLs caste illusions, hypnotise, heal other characters (Thor level characters!), evolve planets (billions of years), affect psychology and emotions globally?

I dunno, I think Surfer is being underestimated here.

He's not being underestimated at all. And I'm not saying GL is more versatile than Surfer. It's pretty even, I think. Here is a list of what Hal has done throughout the years. A good PC Hal respect thread. Most of that stuff Hal has done.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4598

I don't see a significant difference between the two. As descriptions have often stated, the power ring is limited only by will and imagination; with power cosmic, it's more a question of what the Surfer can't do.

Given that the whole idea of the ring is to be able to do virtually anything (and that seems to be how it's generally showcased), and that Surfer more/less tends to enter a fray with simple blasting, if I had to vote one way or the other, I'd give the edge to a top GL. But again, this is a somewhat arbitrary decision.

Question: which works better against magic? Here too my impression is the ring, given that power cosmic seems a little more closely tied to the laws of physics, whereas with Oan energy...I haven't the faintest idea what that actually means (at least there is such a thing as cosmic energy, even if Marvel takes great liberty with what that means).

To paraphrase, a plot device by any other name would work as well.

A GL cop beating a Herald is like Nova beating one.
Not gonna happen.
Surfer.
Glorified telekinetic shapes won't stand up to Power Cosmic energy cutting right through it.

Originally posted by janus77
can GLs synthesise magic?

You know what synthesize means, right? It's not as though Surfer proved capable of producing the Odin Power -- he was able to manipulate it and SYNTHESIZE IT (combine) with his own power cosmic, yes.



And travel into the past/future.



Absolutely, and on a greater scale than the Surfer, who has one example of having trouble with a single soul in a story that may or may not be out of continuity before he got the Blackbody power up.

Kilowog absorbed the souls of every mind on his planet, something like 16 billion.



They've certainly gone to the Astral Plane, yes.



GL's can cast illusions, they can hypnotize (and much more), they can heal other characters (including Flash level characters), they can CREATE entire planets from asteroids (complete with ecosystems and, at times, structures and technology), and they can take over the minds of every being on an entire planet, yes.

SS

I don't think Surfer or a top tier GL have many feats to clearly place one over the other.

It boils down to which cosmic crusader you like best.

Guess I take it back
seems they are surely on about equal footing

One more for Hal against magic, I guess, from today's GL 50 (okay, he doesn't manipulate the energy of the spectre or anything, but he performs pretty decently)...

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50009.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50010.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50011.jpg
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http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50013-14.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50016.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50017-18.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50019.jpg

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50020.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50021.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50022.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50023-24.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50025.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50026.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50027.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50028.jpg
http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Desaad86/Hal%20Jordan%203/th_GreenLantern50029-30.jpg

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Surfer is more versatile..

Desaad, it wasn't the Spectre.

Hmmm, after reading everything again.

SS.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Desaad, it wasn't the Spectre.

How not? Certainly controlled by the Black Lantern ring, even imprisoned by it and being used as a power source, but they make it quite clear....

Edit.

Originally posted by Desaad
How not? Certainly controlled by the Black Lantern ring, even imprisoned by it and being used as a power source, but they make it quite clear....
Did it use Spectre's power? No, all it did was use BL powers.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Did it use Spectre's power? No, all it did was use BL powers.

Where is the evidence of that? They specifically talk about how powerful THE SPECTRE is, not how powerful Nekron is.

SO what powers of Spectre did it use. The guardians only comment that they can't kill BL Spectre because it Spectre is inside.

"THE SPECTRE is one of the most powerful beings in the universe"

When their attack fails...

"Why didn't that work?"

"The spirit of vengeance is being held within the black lantern -- you know first hand THE POWER THE SPECTRE CONTAINS...it nearly eclipses our own"

"It DOES eclipse your own! The spirit of vengeance is absolute rage fused to death!"


And then the whole plan hinges on what he felt was a weakness of the Spectre. I honestly don't see how you could possibly interpret this as anything besides the Black Lantern using the power of the Spectre.

Why would the Spectre be afraid of Paralax? Spectre is the multiversal enforcer of paybacks, doesn't make sense really.

Originally posted by Allankles
Why would the Spectre be afraid of Paralax? Spectre is the multiversal enforcer, doesn't make sense really. Since when has he been the multiversal enforcer?

Originally posted by Allankles
Why would the Spectre be afraid of Paralax? Spectre is the multiversal enforcer of paybacks, doesn't make sense really.

Universal, sure. Multiversal? Well, sort of. Certainl we've seen that the Spectre can CREATE a lot of universes (or at least the Hal version), but you generally don't see the Spectre going to Earth 3 or the Anti Matter Universe and exacting vengeance there.

Either way, the Spectre has always fluctuated in terms of power level, much like Galactus. It's a bit silly to worry too much about any individual showing, I think.