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So TOAA creates another duplicate of the LT with the same powers/level of omnipotence and steals the Ultimate Nullifier from Galactus' ship and gives it to one of them. Then he tells the other LT to stand on defensive mode/stance with any shield barrier he can create, and tells the other LT to shoot the UN without amping it.

Will the second Tribunal survive or will he be erased from existence?

The second one will reveal him self to be Doom then he'll oneshot LT.

I see!

Originally posted by Mindset
The second one will reveal him self to be Doom then he'll oneshot LT.

Superman will use his super combo FTW! and punches your Dooms head off.

TOAA empowers LT to not be defeated by the UN?
then the second LT's shield will protect him...

why? the IG has shown it can manipulate the UN's blast...
also.. magus stated his shields would withstand the UN's blast... and the shields were created using only 5 cosmic cubes... LT's shield could easily do that. then end. lt without un wins.

It's a Doombot.

The real Doom is back in Metropolis making sweet sweet love to Lois and Martha Kent.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Superman will use his super combo FTW! and punches your Dooms head off.

Superman will use his super combo and break his hand.

Originally posted by rotiart
TOAA empowers LT to not be defeated by the UN?
then the second LT's shield will protect him...

why? the IG has shown it can manipulate the UN's blast...
also.. magus stated his shields would withstand the UN's blast... and the shields were created using only 5 cosmic cubes... LT's shield could easily do that. then end. lt without un wins.

That was a weaker UN. Nowdays the UN is more powerful obviously.

Originally posted by rotiart
TOAA empowers LT to not be defeated by the UN?
then the second LT's shield will protect him...

why? the IG has shown it can manipulate the UN's blast...
also.. magus stated his shields would withstand the UN's blast... and the shields were created using only 5 cosmic cubes... LT's shield could easily do that. then end. lt without un wins. LT dont even need a sheild

LT> all abstracts...that includes Oblivion

so LT beyond oblivion wich means he cant be nulified

UN>Oblivion. And UN does't just erase, it also RESTARTS.

lt can't judge lt

Batman wins.

Originally posted by galactusischere
UN>Oblivion. it already been used on Oblivion & it dint nulify him (so much for "ultimate nulifier" lol)

When? and who used it? that is the question.

LT > UN, easily resists it.

Anyway Squirrel Girl smacks TOAA upside the head, tells him to stop playing such stupid games and he erases the second LT.

LT is using th UN i think LT + UN is greater than LT alone.

Someone saying his sheilds will block the UN is prob not planing on the ****ing LT to shoot him. The strength and scope of the UN is dependent on the user. LT as the user means that 2nd one is gonna get boned.

Originally posted by galactusischere
UN>Oblivion. And UN does't just erase, it also RESTARTS. ...............

Originally posted by galactusischere
UN>Oblivion. And UN does't just erase, it also RESTARTS.
UN may be greater than oblivion but his role in the universe wont let him get nullified, just like anomolys role in the universe wont let him be affected by the IG.

Originally posted by galactusischere
When? and who used it? that is the question. i saw the scan some where and here is what happened.

some one used the UN to nullify the universe(including all the abstracts except big O, (some how these people didnt get nullified along with it)

and all that was left was oblivion, and at the center was the UN, so to reverse the effect they activated the UN again and it brought back eternity and the universe.....

Living Tribunal returns

Originally posted by The Nuul
Superman will use his super combo FTW! and punches your Dooms head off.

Doom currently has Destroyer Armour!
+ magic = dead Supes

Originally posted by Lord Feron
LT is using th UN i think LT + UN is greater than LT alone.

Someone saying his sheilds will block the UN is prob not planing on the ****ing LT to shoot him. The strength and scope of the UN is dependent on the user. LT as the user means that 2nd one is gonna get boned. how he gonna get boned? LT > oblivion so hes > UN to


LT dont even need the UN. its like giving Godzilla a flamethrower so he dont use his nucluar fire breath lol. LT can nulify anythin by himself & do it better

No UN>Abraxas>Oblivion.
and as Lord Feron said the scope depends on the user.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas>Oblivion. for a while u came to ur senses but now u got it wrong...again

whats that called...oh yeah, 'regression'

btw hows scope depend on user? Reed wipe out the multiverse so that means Reed > Quasar?

Reed's inteligence>Quasar'
Galactus' inteligence>Reed's(without PIS/CIS)
Living Tribunal'>Galactus'

Originally posted by the ninjak
Doom currently has Destroyer Armour!
+ magic = dead Supes

And he just got owned by Thor.

Two crews drives a Abrams Tank into battle with each other, they are equal in every single way, the difference is that one of the crews have the option of mounting a .44 Magnum next to the Cannon... Is it going to change anything? Nope

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
for a while u came to ur senses but now u got it wrong...again
Its Called LOSER DENIAL.....

Im going to say this again, Abraxas was doing what he was meant to do, while Oblivion sat there on his ass not doing sh*t

Originally posted by Utrigita
Two crews drives a Abrams Tank into battle with each other, they are equal in every single way, the difference is that one of the crews have the option of mounting a .44 Magnum next to the Cannon... Is it going to change anything? Nope

Depends. Is the tank with the .44 Magnum being commanded by Dirty Harry?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Im going to say this again, Abraxas was doing what he was meant to do, while Oblivion sat there on his ass not doing sh*t

Because, the cosmic compass has a pact of non-interference. Everytime Oblivion wants to cause trouble, he has others do it for him.

But why would Oblivion be more poweful than the other abstracts?
Eternity and Death are equal, so why shouldn't Oblivion and Infinity be equal?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
And he just got owned by Thor.
To be fair, it wasn't the real deal. It wasn't close to it's true power

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Depends. Is the tank with the .44 Magnum being commanded by Dirty Harry?

Maybe... mmm

But then we are entering a whole different ball game where LT is a mouse, we are slowly entering the Realm of Chuck Norris...

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Its Called LOSER DENIAL.....

Originally posted by galactusischere
But why would Oblivion be more poweful than the other abstracts?
Eternity and Death are equal, so why shouldn't Oblivion and Infinity be equal? Eternity & Death & the others have been nulified before...not Oblivion (cos he cant...duh)

also ever notice when the abstracts convene, Oblivion is never there? like with Warlock w/IG or Thanos w/HOTU, all the abstracts were there...cept Oblivion - why? cos hes above that sort of thing thats why ^^

Originally posted by Mindset
The second one will reveal him self to be Doom then he'll oneshot LT.

Yes.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Reed's inteligence>Quasar'
Galactus' inteligence>Reed's(without PIS/CIS)
Living Tribunal'>Galactus' proof that power of blast depend on users inteligence?

UN blast can be focused, like target 1 person, target 1 unvierse, or target muliverse & all that...but powerwise it got only 1 setting (thats 'erase'. duh)

Morg used the UN nothing much happened.

That is BULL and you know it!!! Oblivion is a pussy, he didn't even join the other abstracts when Thanos had the heart.

Eternity/Infinity are everything with in the multi-verse. Oblivion is outside of the multi-verse. Seems pretty even to me.

Edit: why did u edit ur post?

Originally posted by galactusischere

That is BULL and you know it!!! Oblivion is a pussy, he didn't even join the other abstracts when Thanos had the heart.so is TOAA, he never join a fight...man wut a pussy!

even Everything can be nulified. but Nothing cant be nulified (cos if everythin can be, then this means nothing cant be )



btw i dint edit no post

But things can be created to decrease the nothingness...

Originally posted by galactusischere
But things can be created to decrease the nothingness... fair point (iirc Oblivion was even scared of this ^^)
even then all it takes is nulify whats been created & Oblivion gets it back ^^


btw no matter how much u make u cant "make everythin" cos theres always "something" left (something like "some nothing" w/e )

u can erase everything (then Oblivion very happy lol) but u cant create everything

basicly Oblivions raelm can be shrinked but it cant be shrinked to nothing (or to everything) cos that dont make sense lol

Originally posted by galactusischere
No UN>Abraxas>Oblivion.
you said it youself something similiar even if abraxas>oblivion
oblivions role/embodiment function in the MU wouldnt allow abraxas to hurt him.

just like anomolys role doesnt let him get affected by the IG

How is Abraxas going to get hurt by Oblivion? How do u hurt destruction?

Originally posted by galactusischere
How is Abraxas going to get hurt by Oblivion? How do u hurt destruction? uh...u erase it?

i mlean if death can be erased why not destruction?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
fair point (iirc Oblivion was even scared of this ^^)
even then all it takes is nulify whats been created & Oblivion gets it back ^^


btw no matter how much u make u cant "make everythin" cos theres always "something" left (something like "some nothing" w/e )

u can erase everything (then Oblivion very happy lol) but u cant create everything

basicly Oblivions raelm can be shrinked but it cant be shrinked to nothing (or to everything) cos that dont make sense lol actually oblivion is nothingness but he like all absracts he uses MBodys and that Mbody can be destroyed though he will still always exist. it has been shown that when you see an abstract get "killed" or "destroyed"
its just the mbody, but the abstract would still exist everywhere in the universe spontaniously there would just be no physical way to see it.
now if you destroy a universe than you really destroy the abstracts (except oblivion).
also oblivions "nothingness" is infinit it cannot be shrinked nor increased...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yet malestrom was able to affect anomaly (he even killed it lol) & he wasnt even abstract lvl at that point

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
actually oblivion is nothingness but he like all absracts he uses MBodys and that Mbody can be destroyed though he will still always exist. it has been shown that when you see an abstract get "killed" or "destroyed"
its just the mbody, but the abstract would still exist everywhere in the universe spontaniously there would just be no physical way to see it.ah but abstracts themselve CAN be destroyed most of em anyway (PR beyonder did it)

Originally posted by galactusischere
How is Abraxas going to get hurt by Oblivion? How do u hurt destruction?
once the universe is destroyed, there is no possible way to cause any more destruction....

Abraxas was entering universes and by doing so destroying them. Abraxas cannot be nullified. He is more powerful than multi-death/616 death.

Infinity=Oblivion
Eternity=Death
Galactus/Entropy/Phoenix=all those others

Master Order/Lord Chaos=<the above abstracts
Love and Hate<<<Master Order/Lord Chaos

Abraxas>any of them

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas was entering universes and by doing so destroying them. Abraxas cannot be nullified. He is more powerful than multi-death/616 death.

Infinity=Oblivion
Eternity=Death
Galactus/Entropy/Phoenix=all those others

Master Order/Lord Chaos=<the above abstracts
Love and Hate<<<Master Order/Lord Chaos

Abraxas>any of them yes he is, but some of these guys role in the universe(oblivion, anomoly) would prevent them from getting affected by abraxas.

infinity=oblivion
but destroy the universe and oblivion swallows her

Exactly. Why would they differ in power? It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Exactly. Why would they differ in power? It doesn't make sense. it also doesnt make sense for abraxas to be different in power also.... i say its his role in the universe that allows him to destroy eternitys and other abstracts.
but if it was a 1on1 on who can do the biggest energy blast they probably would be equal......

Originally posted by galactusischere
Abraxas cannot be nullified. uh yeah he can...UN anyone?

I always thought of oblivion as the area beyond space but still within our universe

you know how they say our universe is expanding... Well the confines of the universe contain within it space and unspace...
Space represented by infinity, unspace represented by oblivion
all of it still apart of the universe...

And while there is an eternity who is offset by death
there is also a multi eternity

Originally posted by galactusischere
But why would Oblivion be more poweful than the other abstracts?
Eternity and Death are equal, so why shouldn't Oblivion and Infinity be equal?

Because his domain is larger. Think about it, everything that once exsisted but no longer does belongs to Oblivion, everything since the beginning of time. Eternity only has domain over all that exsists right now.

Things die, and things are destroyed every second of every day, making Oblivions realm larger all the time.

He represents non-exsistance. He can't be destroyed, or nullified. The only way to fight him is to take away from his dominion.

I see, where your going..

but how would you explain this scan?

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,

I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the Universes"

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/721892/etpf1.jpg.html

Eternity is multi-faceted? That scan isn't really relevant to the discussion.

Oblivion pre-dates all that, he pre-dates the multiverse.

I know but it says that universes being born, and COLLAPSING in RUIN, and that is only a FRACTION of Eternity.
But when universes collapse, don't they go to Oblivion?

That's what I was asking.

Yes, the same universe doesn't come back. A new universe is born in its place.

All the other abstracts have life spans, Oblivion does. Nothingness is always, it's forever. When the universe collapses, current Infinity will cease to exsist. When all life dies, and time stops; current Eternity will cease to exsist. When all things that can die cease to exsist, current Death will cease to exsist. All will be reborn anew when the new multiverse flares into exsistence. All the while, the same Oblivion will be there, right at the fringe as always.

http://thumbnails2.imagebam.com/6579/1e5b5365780165.gifhttp://thumbnails21.imagebam.com/6579/f21bdd65780166.gif

Alright. Im convinced that Oblivion>other abstracts(minus Abraxas of course)

He's beyond Abraxas. All Abraxas does is serve his purpose.

But he doesn't nullify or erase universes. He destroys them.
Destruction and nothingness aren't the same. When I smash my cell for example, does it mean that the remains of it no longer exist? nope.

personally i think there are two eternitys..
one eternity represents a single timeline/reality/universe.. ie say 616 eternity...
another...is the multi eternity...

but writers being lazy bastards as they are don't differeniate well for us...

and then we get this crap where we don't know if its 1 universe eternity appearing or the multiverse eternity appearing...

sometimes i like to discuss comics.. but you guys sometimes take things so serious.. i just disappear for a few days cause i get a headache. :-/

and there's probalby a multi oblvion and a uni oblivion too.. screw it ... the writers don't care about us readers. we just pad their pockets with money. how else do you explain someone like the beyonder changing in scope/type ability ... from a creature from the beyonder realm... to a cube being fragment.. .to an inhuman.. continuity is nothing to those bastards...

YOU HEAR ME DAN DIDIO?!AND ALL YOU OTHER WRITERS!!!

Originally posted by galactusischere
But he doesn't nullify or erase universes. He destroys them.
Destruction and nothingness aren't the same. When I smash my cell for example, does it mean that the remains of it no longer exist? nope.

Oblivion doesn't just have dominion over what's been nullified.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

All the other abstracts have life spans, Oblivion does. Nothingness is always, it's forever. When the universe collapses, current Infinity will cease to exsist. When all life dies, and time stops; current Eternity will cease to exsist. When all things that can die cease to exsist, current Death will cease to exsist. All will be reborn anew when the new multiverse flares into exsistence. All the while, the same Oblivion will be there, right at the fringe as always.

Oblivon isn't above and/or more powerful than Eternity/Infinity or Death,
they're all equals, they are the four cornerstones of all reality.

Oblivion does not pre-date the prime Multiverse either,
that's just Oblivion making unsupported hyperbolic claims about himself.

When Edifice Rex was going to return the Marvel Universe to its "Cosmic Egg"
(when all matter/energy was condensed into a single infinite atom)
Oblivion was literally shivering in fear. (on panel) ... proving Oblvion is vulnerable.

This is because in this pre-Big Bang state, there was no concept idea of any kind,
and Oblivion (nothingness) is a conceptual idea.

Oblivion is a sentient entity,
who dwells within an actual realm, with actual beings in it that can interact.

Also, the reason why Oblvion doesn't interfere with cosmic threats
is simply cause he doesn't want to, no other reason.
(this is specified in his bio, and even slightly referrence in the Quasar issue
in a rare occasion where the four cornerstones interact)

Anywho, before the current Omniverse there was only the Infinity Being,
and Oblivion is not the Infinity Being, but like everyhting else, Oblvion was part of the Infinity Being.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

He's beyond Abraxas. All Abraxas does is serve his purpose.
I have to disagree here good friend.

Abraxas does not serve Oblvion

Abraxas is his own entity,
with his own selfish desires to empower himself and no one else.

In fact, Abraxas' aim was to become God,
by collapsing everything and then remaking everything according to his image.
Also, Abraxas was collapsing (destroying) reality, not nullifying it.

Remember friends, while these abstacts are just forfilling their conceptual purpose,
they also have a sentient intelligence they abide by as well,
because they embody ideas that were form from intelligence consciousnessess.

ie. Everything now came from Reed's mind, Reed is what?

He's a human being,
with all the virtues and/or flaws that conscious intelligence brings with that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Oblivion does not pre-date the prime Multiverse either,
that's just Oblivion making unsupported hyperbolic claims about himself.

Do you have proof to substantiate this? I bet you don't.



Canon or not, I find it funny you would use this as evidence. I think it's quite clear that that story arc wasn't meant to be taken seriously. This is the same story where Rex gave Infinity a manicure, and she gets all girlie about it.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Do you have proof to substantiate this? I bet you don't.
I bet you don't have proof to support Oblvion's claim,
other than Oblivon himself stating it.
(you'l also find no artistic representation of Oblvion existing in this pre-dated Multiverse either)

No other abstract, or the LT or anyone else
has ever paid homage to Oblivon as though he's something special.

Infact, the Quasar arc makes it clear that Oblivion is equals with Infinity, Eternity/Death.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Canon or not, I find it funny you would use this as evidence. I think it's quite clear that that story arc wasn't meant to be taken seriously. This is the same story where Rex gave Infinity a manicure, and she gets all girlie about it.
Rex was a bafoon, this is why he made it look comedic,
but the story took place in 616, and is supported in Handbooks.

Oblivion was shivering in fear, you may not enjoy that fact, but it is a fact nonetheless.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have to disagree here good friend.

Abraxas does not serve Oblvion

Abraxas is his own entity,
with his own selfish desires to empower himself and no one else.

In fact, Abraxas' aim was to become God,
by collapsing everything and then remaking everything according to his image.
Also, Abraxas was collapsing (destroying) reality, not nullifying it.

Remember friends, while these abstacts are just forfilling their conceptual purpose,
they also have a sentient intelligence they abide by as well,
because they embody ideas that were form from intelligence consciousnessess.

ie. Everything now came from Reed's mind, Reed is what?

He's a human being,
with all the virtues and/or flaws that conscious intelligence brings with that.

You're right, he doesn't serve him directly. He serves him indirectly. Destroying universes empowers Oblivion, that's all Abraxas does.

Abraxas would've never achieved his Godhood has he succeeded. If everything is destroyed, Oblivion becomes God, Infinity told us that.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

You're right, he doesn't serve him directly. He serves him indirectly. Destroying universes empowers Oblivion, that's all Abraxas does.
Abraxas doesn't serve Oblivion in any form at all.

Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Abraxas would've never achieved his Godhood has he succeeded.
If everything is destroyed, Oblivion becomes God, Infinity told us that.
Really?

Then why wasn't he God when Sise-Neg made everything turn to nothing?
Why wasn't he God when Entropy/Genis rubbed out everything?
Why wasn't he God when Thanos/HOTI absorbed everything?
Why wasn't he God when the Alien Entity cause everything to rewind into its pre-Big Bang state?

Who know who was "God" in these instances?

The same characters above that caused this nothingness to come about, not Oblivion.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I bet you don't have proof to support Oblvion's claim,
other than Oblivon himself stating it.
(you'l also find no artistic representation of Oblvion existing in this pre-dated Multiverse either)

Not my job. I provided on panel evidence, you said it wasn't true. It's in your hands now to prove it isn't true.



Except the Rune/SS arc. Lt set himself against Oblivion to retrieve the Infinity gems, and the best he could do was send the Surfer after them



No she doesn't. She makes it quite clear that her avatar won because of a single reason, and that the old pact is what kept things kosher between the 4 concepts.



It has nothing to do with liking it or not. That story was a joke, do you remember the dialogue? The concepts/cosmics were all standing around talking like you and I do.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas doesn't serve Oblivion in any form at all.

Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them.

Ok, Oblivion doesn't just have dominion over what's been nullified. If he did, he couldn't create, and command Death avatars.



Very obvious isn't it? In all the instances you mentioned recreation was involved.

If the universe stayed destroyed, he would be God.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Not my job. I provided on panel evidence, you said it wasn't true. It's in your hands now to prove it isn't true.
So, your proof is an empty statement.

Cool.

I can bring out many statements if you'd like.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Except the Rune/SS arc. Lt set himself against Oblivion to retrieve the Infinity gems, and the best he could do was send the Surfer after them


This arc had absolutely nothing to do with Oblivion the sentient concept.

And this comment doesn't relate to this discussion either.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

No she doesn't. She makes it quite clear that her avatar won because of a single reason, and that the old pact is what kept things kosher between the 4 concepts.
Her avatar (Quasar) won against Maelstrom because of a specific reason.
But before that, Quasar and Maelstrom were locked in a stalemate.

Read the issue again, the four cornerstones of reality are basically equal.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

It has nothing to do with liking it or not. That story was a joke, do you remember the dialogue? The concepts/cosmics were all standing around talking like you and I do.
The story is 100% canon, it took place in the 616 Reality,
and is supported by several official Marvel Handbooks.

This can't be argued friend.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Ok, Oblivion doesn't just have dominion over what's been nullified.
If he did, he couldn't create, and command Death avatars.
So now you wanna push Oblvion's empowerment on what Abraxas was doing,
when in fact Abraxas was trying to become God by doing what he was doing.

This will lead to a circle and I can't go there.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Very obvious isn't it? In all the instances you mentioned recreation was involved.

If the universe stayed destroyed, he would be God.
So you say, but according to those stories, (Marvel on panel/Handbook supported facts)
the characters that turned everything into nothingness were God.

Simple and plain.

That aside, how long does it take for Oblivion to become God?

heck ...
Genis/Entropy and Rick conversed through the whole issue while reality did not exist.

* Infact *

The reason why Thanos re-created everything is because he didn't want to rule over a void.
(literally stated) ... so that right there kills this idea of Oblivion becoming God.

Originally posted by galactusischere
But he doesn't nullify or erase universes. He destroys them.
Destruction and nothingness aren't the same. When I smash my cell for example, does it mean that the remains of it no longer exist? nope. exacly! nulification > simpl destruction

Originally posted by Mr Master

No other abstract, or the LT or anyone else

actually i have to disagree on this, LT hired silver surfer to retreave the infinity gaunlet to stop oblivion, there is a scan of this.
and oblivion the sentient concept and Oblivion the Location or place is the same thing the guy even said he created his realm.
this is all on panel

Originally posted by Mr Master


Oblivion was shivering in fear, you may not enjoy that fact, but it is a fact nonetheless. Oblivion pre dates the multiverse, its also fact as stated on panel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas doesn't serve Oblivion in any form at all.

Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them.

Collaps universes go to oblivion.
fact and stated on panel.
i can get the scan if you want

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
exacly! nulification > simpl destruction
Not really, I would rather be nullified from existence, than be cut into pieces alive and then die.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
actually i have to disagree on this, LT hired silver surfer to retreave the infinity gaunlet to stop oblivion, there is a scan of this.
So?
That's like Galactus sending Surfer to find him a planet, while he can do it easily himself.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Oblivion pre dates the multiverse, its also fact as stated on panel.
As mr.master said, hyperbole, and Oblivion was defeated by snowball Iceman.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Not really, I would rather be nullified from existence, than be cut into pieces alive and then die.


So?
That's like Galactus sending Surfer to find him a planet, while he can do it easily himself.


As mr.master said, hyperbole, and Oblivion was defeated by snowball Iceman.

1. but is surfer using the gaunlets? not the same
2. oblivion pretended to be defeated to prove a point, he even changes to multiple beings that exist in the universe. like idiot, hunter (etc) i bet he could of change into galactus if he wanted too

Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas doesn't serve Oblivion in any form at all.

Abraxas doesn't nullify realities, he collapses them.

Really?

Then why wasn't he God when Sise-Neg made everything turn to nothing?
Why wasn't he God when Entropy/Genis rubbed out everything?
Why wasn't he God when Thanos/HOTI absorbed everything?
Why wasn't he God when the Alien Entity cause everything to rewind into its pre-Big Bang state?

Who know who was "God" in these instances?

The same characters above that caused this nothingness to come about, not Oblivion.
actually he was god, they just didnt show his mbody because of it being destroyed along with the universe. but he still was present

So now ur saying tha Oblivion>Galactus? I think not. Black Celestial Arc Galactus would crush Oblivion. and go to the Galactus respect thread. Look at the last 4/5/6 scans I posted.

Originally posted by galactusischere
So now ur saying tha Oblivion>Galactus? I think not. Black Celestial Arc Galactus would crush Oblivion. and go to the Galactus respect thread. Look at the last 4/5/6 scans I posted. what?
i say it again, oblivion said he is also every being in existance , he even changed into idiot and many other beings showing they are also part of him, if he can change into any being he wants whats stopping him from changing into galactus? i mean oblivion changed into death before and did something she couldnt. he even said anomoly is also a part of him..

Just go the respect thread and look at those scans.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Just go the respect thread and look at those scans. did you even read my post?

oblivion has changed into other abstracts before.
example. death, anomoly,
he can even change into people,
idiot, hunter,

he even said he can change into anyone who exist.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
what?
i say it again, oblivion said he is also every being in existance , he even changed into idiot and many other beings showing they are also part of him, if he can change into any being he wants whats stopping him from changing into galactus? i mean oblivion changed into death before and did something she couldnt. he even said anomoly is also a part of him..


So he is basically, nothing and everything? Then what ur saying is that he is above the Tribunal.

When did he change? do u have the scan or issue number?


and go to the respect thread.

Originally posted by galactusischere
So he is basically, nothing and everything? Then what ur saying is that he is above the Tribunal.

When did he change? do u have the scan or issue number?


and go to the respect thread.

when this immortal person couldnt die, oblivion changed into death and nullified him.

also
here he changes into white light and idiot
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o34.jpg
here he changes to this other being
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o35.jpg
here he changes into ice mans parents
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/o37.jpghe was proving to ice man that ice man is part of him just like everything else in existance.

Any abstract can do that. I meant show him turning into death and doing what she does best.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Any abstract can do that. I meant show him turning into death and doing what she does best. dont have that scan but im looking for it.
knowsbleed might have it or know what im talking about.

Did you look at the scans?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Did you look at the scans? yes..

Originally posted by rotiart
personally i think there are two eternitys..
one eternity represents a single timeline/reality/universe.. ie say 616 eternity...
another...is the multi eternity...

but writers being lazy bastards as they are don't differeniate well for us...

and then we get this crap where we don't know if its 1 universe eternity appearing or the multiverse eternity appearing...

sometimes i like to discuss comics.. but you guys sometimes take things so serious.. i just disappear for a few days cause i get a headache. :-/

and there's probalby a multi oblvion and a uni oblivion too.. screw it ... the writers don't care about us readers. we just pad their pockets with money. how else do you explain someone like the beyonder changing in scope/type ability ... from a creature from the beyonder realm... to a cube being fragment.. .to an inhuman.. continuity is nothing to those bastards...

YOU HEAR ME DAN DIDIO?!AND ALL YOU OTHER WRITERS!!!

actually theres an infinit amount of eternitys. one for every alternate universe which they stated theres an infinit amount of . multi-eternity is the prime eternity meaning he is the build up of every single alternate eternity into 1 being hence he is multiversal because every alternate eternity is just an aspect of the multi-eternity. the 616 also has an eternity which is an aspect of multi-eternity. but most of the time its the actual multi-eternity we see there.

when sis-neg recreated the 616 universe it was only the aspect eternity he recreated and became,
when thanos became eternity it was the multi-eternity he became.

Soo...Galactus>oblivion then?
616 G>Alternative

no comment



yes

Did you see what a mad alternative Galactus did? and that story is cannon to the Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
actually theres an infinit amount of eternitys. one for every alternate universe which they stated theres an infinit amount of . multi-eternity is the prime eternity meaning he is the build up of every single alternate eternity into 1 being hence he is multiversal because every alternate eternity is just an aspect of the multi-eternity. the 616 also has an eternity which is an aspect of multi-eternity. but most of the time its the actual multi-eternity we see there.

when sis-neg recreated the 616 universe it was only the aspect eternity he recreated and became,
when thanos became eternity it was the multi-eternity he became. i said there were two types of eternitiesNd actually you don't know that it is multi eternity we are seeing because there are instances where they call multiversal eternity the multi eternity
and others where they call eternity all universes
and others where they call eternity a single universe or reality

my point was writers don't clearly tell us which is which all the time

Originally posted by rotiart
i said there were two types of eternitiesNd actually you don't know that it is multi eternity we are seeing because there are instances where they call multiversal eternity the multi eternity
and others where they call eternity all universes
and others where they call eternity a single universe or reality

my point was writers don't clearly tell us which is which all the time
its supposed to be like this before writes screw things up.

eternity=a single reality(universe)
multi eternity = all realities(multiverse)

Originally posted by galactusischere
Did you see what a mad alternative Galactus did? and that story is cannon to the Living Tribunal. yes, im not to sure if that alternate reality has an alternate oblivion or if its 1 oblivion for all of them though..

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
yes, im not to sure if that alternate reality has an alternate oblivion or if its 1 oblivion for all of them though..

Well, the alternative Galactus' were put there by Eternity, to keep Abraxas in check. Galactus himself is "older" than Eternity. So 616 is basically the only "natural" Galactus

Abstracts came into being with the universe
their roles existed with the creation of the universe and the first beings to come into existence with the big bang wereeternity death infinity and oblivion hence why they are called the cornerstones of this universe
galactus came fromthe universe before this one
Phoenix is the being that helps end one to create another
the alien being was the spark that reed used to create the big bang?

All three were before this universe
the concept of an abstract can exist at any time... But their power and role can be usurped

shown by thanos and eternity
maelstrom and anomoly
infinity even said maelstrom was going to take over oblivions role
and guess what maelstrom was going to destroy only one universe
lt turned surfer into a universe momentarily showing him he was galactus polar opposite... Which was kinda stupid...
Death and oblivion have related roles just like eternity and infinity
although death promised not to kill the elders oblivion did not make the same promise
eternity has been shown merged with infinity and emerging from infinity before
death has been shown to emerge from oblivion
the four call themselves siblings...

Phoenix only saved Galen. She never "created" Galactus.

And are the Nemesis and Alien Entity the same being or are they different?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Not really, I would rather be nullified from existence, than be cut into pieces alive and then die. lol...if ur destroyed/dead then part of u is still there...sheesh...any1 else would get that...lol

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
no comment

btw when a universe is nulified wut do u think happens to Galactus huh? ^^

I didn't sa. Phoenix created galactus only that she came before this universe
and nemesis created the multiverse

while alien being created the spark for the universe

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw when a universe is nulified wut do u think happens to Galactus huh? ^^

Galactus survives. He is the Ultimate Nullifier after all.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Galactus survives. He is the Ultimate Nullifier after all. so...where was Galactus238 after Mandragon use the CN? oh thats right there was no more Galactus ^^

Those Galactuses are posers. and CN isn't a part of galactus like UN is.

Originally posted by rotiart
Abstracts came into being with the universe
their roles existed with the creation of the universe and the first beings to come into existence with the big bang wereeternity death infinity and oblivion hence why they are called the cornerstones of this universe
galactus came fromthe universe before this one
Phoenix is the being that helps end one to create another
the alien being was the spark that reed used to create the big bang?

All three were before this universe
the concept of an abstract can exist at any time... But their power and role can be usurped

shown by thanos and eternity
maelstrom and anomoly
infinity even said maelstrom was going to take over oblivions role
and guess what maelstrom was going to destroy only one universe
lt turned surfer into a universe momentarily showing him he was galactus polar opposite... Which was kinda stupid...
Death and oblivion have related roles just like eternity and infinity
although death promised not to kill the elders oblivion did not make the same promise
eternity has been shown merged with infinity and emerging from infinity before
death has been shown to emerge from oblivion
the four call themselves siblings... so basically the concept of oblivion was always existing but the absract being of it came to existance during the big bang correct? makes sense

kinda like saying oblivions body was always there but his conscience came to being after the big bang

got a scan showin durability feat where Galactus616 is delete-proof?

(of cos the UN can survive nulification but its the weilder of UN im askin about)

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so basically the concept of oblivion was always existing but the absract being of it came to existance during the big bang correct? nope concept & abstract beings their the same (thats the point of the abstracts)

like when ms Death was erased, nothing coud be killed after that

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
so basically the concept of oblivion was always existing but the absract being of it came to existance during the big bang correct?

Yep that's how I see it.

No scan is needed. Why would galactus make a thing, and make it an aspect of himself and not be immune to its effects? Even with PIS galactus aint that stupid

prob: we know FP Galactus <= Eternity and we know Eternity aint delete-proof, so...



btw aint the 1st time someone makes somethin more durable then themselve

remember MJJ238 made Fury? Fury is delete-proof but not MJJ238 aint. lol

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope concept & abstract beings their the same (thats the point of the abstracts)

like when ms Death was erased, nothing coud be killed after that
beyonder destroyed the concept of death itself... Not the abstract. The destruction of death was the visualization of the destruction of the concept and not the other way around

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
nope concept & abstract beings their the same (thats the point of the abstracts)

like when ms Death was erased, nothing coud be killed after that
the abstract is only a conscienceness of the concept.
they must of earased her concept all together.

when lord chaos was erased. "chaos" still happened proving that the abstract is only a conscienceness of the concept

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
prob: we know WELL-FED galactus <= eternity and we know eternity aint delete-proof, so...

fixed and u know what im going to say about full power galactus. *cough* black, *cough* celestial, *cough* arc *cough*

Originally posted by galactusischere
No scan is needed. Why would galactus make a thing, and make it an aspect of himself and not be immune to its effects? Even with PIS galactus aint that stupid

Because there are several issues with galactus being scared of the un being fired at him.

Originally posted by galactusischere
fixed and u know what im going to say about full power galactus. *cough* black, *cough* celestial, *cough* arc *cough* that was augmented Galactus (by a celestial right?)



heck big G aint even beyond death (he needs to EAT ffs...if he starve to much hes dead remember? ) so he certanly aint beyond oblivion

Originally posted by rotiart
Yep that's how I see it. but would the abstract have knowledge of every thing its concept did, or cause before his conscieness was created?

Originally posted by rotiart
Because there are several issues with galactus being scared of the un being fired at him.

Those were before the Abraxas saga. The UN wasn't an aspect of him back then. Remember he didn't feat the UN when Abraxas had it?

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
that was augmented Galactus (by a celestial right?)



heck big G aint even beyond death (he needs to EAT ffs...if he starve to much hes dead remember? ) so he certanly aint beyond oblivion

He is beyond death. Even his heralds are beyond death. Even zen-laeese/zen-lainans are beyond death(almost).

Galactus came back from death too, with minor help from Doc.Strange.

And Tiamut manipulated galactus into thinking that his eternal cosmic hunger was completely insatiable.

Originally posted by galactusischere

He is beyond death. contradicts fact that he needs to eat

wut happens if Galactus go to long w/o feeding? u think he can live 4ever w/o feeding? (proof?)

so when Thanos pimpslap Surfer almost to death Surfer was just pretending?

As in the heralds wouldn't die by aging.

Galactus was brought back from death by Franklin Richards

as far as being beyond death
his heralds Etc ... Galactus have all died

and captain America etc non herald characters have come back from death so.... That's not the same as willing yourself back to life to day that you are beyond death

Originally posted by galactusischere
As in the heralds wouldn't die by aging. k your only talkin about BIOLOGICAL imortality


big deal any meta lvl w/good HF is also immortal

Silver surfer the end shows that surrfer will die from his own power...
God only knows how canon that is though

No. Even deadpool would have eventually died if it were not for the curse.


Anyways Galactus will always be beyond death...cuz I say so

Originally posted by rotiart
Silver surfer the end shows that surrfer will die from his own power...
God only knows how canon that is though


It's not cannon at all.

Originally posted by galactusischere


Anyways Galactus will always be beyond death...cuz I say so oh yeah guess THAT prove it better then any scan lol

thats right. and I pity the foo who don't respect my opinion glare.

being immortal doesnt always mean your beyond death.
being immortal could also be a curse by death to make you never die.
in thanos case he isnt beyond death, death just made him immortal..

Iirc death hated deadpool so much he was banned from her realm in effect immortal

the ONLY person I know who is beyond death is mr immortal...

Stated by deathurge to be around until the end of time I think?

The other abstracts are beyond death as well. When Galactus truly died he only became a star at the heart of Eternity. He never went to mistress death's realm.

and Death aactually loved Deadpool I think, but I can't remember how he became immortal, had something to do with Thanos I think..

Abstracts are not above death...
Rot, eon, anomoly and even death herself have all died

Originally posted by rotiart
Abstracts are not above death...
Rot, eon, anomoly and even death herself have all died anomoly didnt die. maelstrom assumed his role after destroying his mbody. rot was destroyed/nullified along with eon, they went straight into oblivion. they dont "Die"

Was anomoly more powrful than abstracs like galactus, eternity etc?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Was anomoly more powrful than abstracs like galactus, eternity etc? dont know how powerful he was but his role/concept makes him immune to being destroyed or injured.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
dont know how powerful he was but his role/concept makes him immune to being destroyed or injured. yet malestrom killed it

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
yet malestrom killed it
"PIS" in order for maelstrom to become anomoly

Anomoly and Maelstrom having a little chit chat about Anomoly's role

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Quasar/Quasar-20-02.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Quasar/Quasar-20-03.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

actually i have to disagree on this, LT hired silver surfer to retreave the infinity gaunlet to stop oblivion, there is a scan of this.

this is all on panel
No where on panel, or in Handbooks, is it even alluded,
that the LT did anything to stop Oblivion.

The LT and Oblivion have never had any affiliation of any kind,
the LT and Oblivion have never appeared in the same issue and/or story,
and they've never had any relation whatsoever concerning anything at all.

You think you hear the term Oblivion, and you stamp it to mean the sentient concept.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

Oblivion pre dates the multiverse, its also fact as stated on panel.
So does every other concept, so does every other hero.

Oblivion, like everything else in the prior Multiverse, was part of the Infinity Being,
who encompasses all.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

Collaps universes go to oblivion.
fact and stated on panel.
i can get the scan if you want
Yea, go get the scan that states that ABraxas was sending anything to Oblivion.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

actually he was god, they just didnt show his mbody because of it being destroyed along with the universe. but he still was present
This is 100% bull shit

And if you're gonna just post fallacies aimlessly,
there's no point in debating with you.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

when sis-neg recreated the 616 universe
it was only the aspect eternity he recreated and became

Originally posted by galactusischere

Phoenix only saved Galen. She never "created" Galactus.
Phoenix didn't even do that.

Phoenix didn't save anyone, the prior reality still folded, and was obliterated.

All Phoenix did was send out a psychic message to all life,
giving them a pep talk if you will,
as in, 'hey, you're gonna die, but its going to be alright'

The Infinity Being is the one that saved Galen, (the only life to survive in fact)
and the Infinity Being is the one that merged with Galen
in order to turn him into the balance of the next Reality (current Omniverse)
the IB wanted to create, yet be apart from it,
and only through the Infinity Gems being able to manifest within said new Omniverse.
Originally posted by galactusischere

And are the Nemesis and Alien Entity the same being or are they different?
Nah, but the Alien Entity is now something akin to what the Infinity was.

Because the Alien Entity merged with the "Fires of Creation" (past/present/future)
in other words, the AE embodies the past/present/future of the current Omniverse.

too many cosmic characters with the same role....head spinning......vision blu...rry.... *passes out*

Originally posted by psycho gundam
too many cosmic characters with the same role....head spinning......vision blu...rry.... *passes out* rUns to psycho gundams side.
Puts his head in my Lap and purrs softly...
"superman sucks".... As an attempt at brain washing.
;-)