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Who wins and why?

Stalemate until Emma puts the Diamond form down.
Unless Emma just never punches Shaw and just puts his head in a bucket of water and suffocates him to death.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Stalemate until Emma puts the Diamond form down.
Unless Emma just never punches Shaw and just puts his head in a bucket of water and suffocates him to death.


She has to use diamond form in this battle. Can Shaw become strong enough to shatter diamonds? Shaw might become richer than he already is.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
She has to use diamond form in this battle. Can Shaw become strong enough to shatter diamonds? Shaw might become richer than he already is.

How about the bucket of water thing.

What?

If she has to stay in diamond form then there's no way Shaw can lose, I don't know the extent of her physical durability to say how strong Shaw would have to get to harm her and put her down and that's if she can feel physical pain while in her diamond form.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
If she has to stay in diamond form then there's no way Shaw can lose, I don't know the extent of her physical durability to say how strong Shaw would have to get to harm her and put her down and that's if she can feel physical pain while in her diamond form.


I don't think that she can feel physical pain and I think that there is only one weak spot on her diamond form.

Does she tire in her diamond form?

No, she doesn't tire in her diamond form, I just don't know if she's physically immune to high end physical damage.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
What?

O.K.
Don,t punch Shaw so he doesn't have enough energy in his reserves to be much of a threat.
Take him by the neck and drown him.
problem solved.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No, she doesn't tire in her diamond form, I just don't know if she's physically immune to high end physical damage.

I don't think that she can be knocked out in diamond form.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Can Shaw become strong enough to shatter diamonds?


Certainly not if she doesn't punch him, which she won't.

Originally posted by Q99
Certainly not if she doesn't punch him, which she won't.

But Shaw can punch her.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But Shaw can punch her.

But not KO her.

Emma being a previous partner of Shaw's would know exactly how to handle him if stuck in diamond form.
Take Shaw's punches until he begins to drain. Falling with the punches.
Never punch back.
When Shaw is weakened grab him by the neck and drown him ......that or just squeeze his nose and mouth until he suffocates to death
Problem solved

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But Shaw can punch her.

Weak, puny little punches.

They won't be able to hurt each other if both fight smart. Maybe Shaw will starve to death after a while.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They won't be able to hurt each other if both fight smart. Maybe Shaw will starve to death after a while.

There is the 'get Shaw to water and drown him' thing. Emma can't punch him but there's a lot she can do.

She could probably suffocate him...

Originally posted by King Kandy
They won't be able to hurt each other if both fight smart. Maybe Shaw will starve to death after a while.

He will eat some sandwiches.

Originally posted by Q99
Weak, puny little punches.

You have any idea what happens when a man that can absorb kinetic energy punches organic diamond?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You have any idea what happens when a man that can absorb kinetic energy punches organic diamond?

Yes. He absorbs kinetic energy equal to the strength of his punch.

It's not like there's more KE for punching diamond than, say, stone.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You have any idea what happens when a man that can absorb kinetic energy punches organic diamond?


I must admit I've never seen it happen before

He can charge up a little from punching, but there's not much stopping Emma from grabbing him and stopping that from going on.

Yeah, Emma is pretty much invulnerable here.
She's never been KO'd in diamond form before.
She doesn't feel physical or emotional pain in it.
Her strength levels are unknown.
She doesn't tire.

She has only ever taken damage when exploiting her teeny tiny flaw.

She'll find a way.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Stalemate until Emma puts the Diamond form down.
Unless Emma just never punches Shaw and just puts his head in a bucket of water and suffocates him to death.

If she left the diamond form she would easily subdue him with telepathy. Drowning him would work, just holding his mouth and nose shut with her hands might do it and I don't think she breathes in diamond form so he cant do it to her.

Emma knows Shaw's abilities and is way too smart to be goaded into a fight. She would win it.

Originally posted by Konton
She's never been KO'd in diamond form before.

Cyke did KO her with one blast to the head.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyke did KO her with one blast to the head.
He KO'd her through the kitchen and into the bedroom.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He KO'd her through the kitchen and into the bedroom.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyke did KO her with one blast to the head.

Was that like an optic donkey punch?

Originally posted by Konton
Yeah, Emma is pretty much invulnerable here.
She's never been KO'd in diamond form before.
She doesn't feel physical or emotional pain in it.
Her strength levels are unknown.
She doesn't tire.

She has only ever taken damage when exploiting her teeny tiny flaw.

She'll find a way.


Emma;s diamond form is not flawlesss. Only the Stepford Cuckoos are

How strong is emma in her diamond form??

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyke did KO her with one blast to the head.

That was only after Emma's powerset was altered by cosmic rays and made her The Diamond Thing.

As for the fight, it depends if his base levels are able to take piercing attacks. Then again there's not much he can do to her so probably a stalemate until Shaw gets hungry and dies of starvation.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That was only after Emma's powerset was altered by cosmic rays and made her The Diamond Thing.

Correct. But one would argue that made her even more durable

Optic Donkey Punch lol

IMO Shaw is a better fighter (yes emma is clever but in a kmc arena stuck in diamond form, i don't see much that she can work with). IMO Shaw can get to a point where he will eventually be able to break her.

Also if he needs a little added strength, he can always just pound the ground to get his power up. Nothing She can really do about that.

Yeah, I see Shaw winning here.

She can rip those arms right off him

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Correct. But one would argue that made her even more durable

She was partly made of whatever rock the Thing is made of. If anything that would be less durable seeing how he gets chunks of his face broken off from time to time.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That was only after Emma's powerset was altered by cosmic rays and made her The Diamond Thing.

As for the fight, it depends if his base levels are able to take piercing attacks. Then again there's not much he can do to her so probably a stalemate until Shaw gets hungry and dies of starvation. According to wiki when he has absorbed enough energy he doesn't need to eat.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
She can rip those arms right off him

Sabretooth could do the same!

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She was partly made of whatever rock the Thing is made of. If anything that would be less durable.

You have no proof. Her appearance changed, yes, but I wouldn't say she became a mix of orange rock and diamond...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She was partly made of whatever rock the Thing is made of. If anything that would be less durable seeing how he gets chunks of his face broken off from time to time.
Eh. I can only recall Doom's magic-peons doing that when they beat on him for a day. You're not seriously implying that Emma's durability is above The Thing's?

Emma's diamond form is not flawless, so it is possible that Shaw can crack or shatter it.

He wouldn't have boasted that perhaps he could bend adamantium if he had never broken diamond...

Can Emma be KO'ed in her diamond form?

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Emma's diamond form is not flawless, so it is possible that Shaw can crack or shatter it.

But the flaw it does have, like every other diamond, is very small and he would not know how to find it, not to mention he probably would not have the strengh to hit it in a way she shatters. It took a diamond bullet to do it.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
Can Emma be KO'ed in her diamond form?

Summers did.

If Shaw hit Emma hard enough to possible crack her she would just go flying!........recover and get up unharmed.
Shaw will never break Emma unless he had her up against a wall or pinned on the ground.
Which would give Emma better opportunities to sever his air supply .
Shaw can throw Emma around like a ragdoll. It wouldn't matter sooner or later his reserves will weaken and Emma can just suffocate him to death.

When Shaw punches someone, he becomes stronger too.

Depends on how much power Shaw brings to the fight.
If fully charged Emma would have to find a method to drain him while subdued .....like wrapping a rubber hose around his arms. Tough Fight.

But if he enters the fight at depleted energy reserves Emma can just suffocate him.

Emma rips his head off.

Can Emma use gravity to her advantage (like a building) or does she have to punch him ?

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Originally posted by Starscream M
even if shaw absorbs kinetic energy from creeds swipes, gravity and momentum should still allow shaw to get cut up

Originally posted by Starscream M
even if shaw absorbs kinetic energy from creeds swipes, gravity and momentum should still allow shaw to get cut up

Momentum is just fuel for the fire. It's Kinetic Electricity.

Sure he can get cut, I mean he tangos with logan all time and gets sliced but doesn't really slow him down much.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


You have no proof. Her appearance changed, yes, but I wouldn't say she became a mix of orange rock and diamond...

Except Nightcrawler got invisiblity, Gambit got Torch's powers and Wolverine got stretching powers. Plus Emma has taken Scotts blasts before. Not to mention the fact that Emma was shattered and was still conscious.


Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Eh. I can only recall Doom's magic-peons doing that when they beat on him for a day. You're not seriously implying that Emma's durability is above The Thing's?

Shatterstar did it with a dumbell. X-Factor #200.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Except Nightcrawler got invisiblity, Gambit got Torch's powers and Wolverine got stretching powers. Plus Emma has taken Scotts blasts before. Not to mention the fact that Emma was shattered and was still conscious.

Don't you think her color would change if it really were a mix?

Anyway, you convinced me. Could you post the scans?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't you think her color would change if it really were a mix?

Anyway, you convinced me. Could you post the scans?

Her physiology changed that was stated by Mr. Fantastic IRRC. Which ones the X-Fantastic Four Hybrids? The many times Scott blasted her and or used her as a projectile or the one time where Rogue stole both their powers and used her Diamond Form to diffract Scotts blasts or the one where her consciousness was still clinging to her body after Esme controlled Beak to shoot her flaw with a Diamond bullet? Or did you mean the Thing/Shatterstar thing. Already posted that above.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Her physiology changed that was stated by Mr. Fantastic IRRC. Which ones the X-Fantastic Four Hybrids? The many times Scott blasted her and or used her as a projectile or the one time where Rogue stole both their powers and used her Diamond Form to diffract Scotts blasts or the one where her consciousness was still clinging to her body after Esme controlled Beak to shoot her flaw with a Diamond bullet? Or did you mean the Thing/Shatterstar thing. Already posted that above.

I'd like to see Emma withstanding optic blasts and her still being conscious after getting shattered. I've seen the one with Rogue. Thanks in advance.

Scans of Emma taking open eyed, uncontained optic blasts at point blank range are in the respect thread somewhere. She is sometimes written to refract the blast instead of take the impact.

She HAD to be conscious after being shattered because otherwise Jean putting her body back together would have meant nothing without a mind to inhabit it. IIRC Jean sensed the lingering presence of Emma's mind.

How fast can Shaw move when he's absorbed enough energy? Potential BFR on the cards.

Originally posted by The Pict
How fast can Shaw move when he's absorbed enough energy? Potential BFR on the cards.

Booster Gold would say that he's faster than Flash!