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Mister Terrific has 5 minutes of prep.

I think he (Mr. Terrific) stands a decent chance, myself. Unless Tony is relying on his own human eyesight, he won't be able to pick up Terrific. I wonder how much firepower the T-Spheres pack, though, and whether or not it would be enough to deal any worthwhile damage to Stark.

I don't know enough about Mr. T. I collect the JSA series but his T spheres don't seem powerful enough to take out IM fast enough for an win. IMO.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't know enough about Mr. T. I collect the JSA series but his T spheres don't seem powerful enough to take out IM fast enough for an win. IMO.

Yeah, as of yet, I don't think his T-Spheres could unleash enough firepower directly to damage the Iron Man armor, but with prep, I'm sure he could up the ante so to speak.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, as of yet, I don't think his T-Spheres could unleash enough firepower directly to damage the Iron Man armor, but with prep, I'm sure he could up the ante so to speak.

But are 5 mins enough?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
But are 5 mins enough?

I don't see why not, tbh. But I think increasing the firepower of the T-Spheres to a level where they could harm Iron Man would take most of his prep time. Not to mention all Iron Man needs is a lucky or stray repulsor ray or unibeam to waste Terrific.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't see why not, tbh. But I think increasing the firepower of the T-Spheres to a level where they could harm Iron Man would take most of his prep time. Not to mention all Iron Man needs is a lucky or stray repulsor ray or unibeam to waste Terrific.

Yeah. Terrific is an cool char imho. But this fight would be more fair if IM wasn't alowed to take off his mask.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yeah. Terrific is an cool char imho. But this fight would be more fair if IM wasn't alowed to take off his mask.

Yeah, Terrific is pretty cool in my book.

You think Mr T could hack IM's armor remotely?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You think Mr T could hack IM's armor remotely?

I'm not sure. I'd imagine Iron Man's armor is pretty resistant to hacking (though by no means immune). I think Terrific would have to work pretty fast to breach Tony's defenses, especially if its a process that would take even the slightest amount of time. And once Tony figures out he's facing a foe that he can't pick up on his sensors, I think he will try manually targeting Terrific.

I'm still undecided for the most part, but I do think Terrific has a shot, especially with prep.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not sure. I'd imagine Iron Man's armor is pretty resistant to hacking (though by no means immune). I think Terrific would have to work pretty fast to breach Tony's defenses, especially if its a process that would take even the slightest amount of time. And once Tony figures out he's facing a foe that he can't pick up on his sensors, I think he will try manually targeting Terrific.

I'm still undecided for the most part, but I do think Terrific has a shot, especially with prep.
You assume T can't take IM down on the first strike.
IMO Mr Terrific is probably the best bet of a non-powered individual taking down Iron Man thanks to his tech invisibility.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You assume T can't take IM down on the first strike.

True. I'd need to see more feats of the T-Spheres damage output before I can make a truly informed decision. That being said, based off of what I have seen from Terrific, given 5 minutes prep, he's going to make Iron Man work for a victory, even if said victory only requires a single shot.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
True. I'd need to see more feats of the T-Spheres damage output before I can make a truly informed decision. That being said, based off of what I have seen from Terrific, given 5 minutes prep, he's going to make Iron Man work for a victory, even if said victory only requires a single shot.
He builds a giant magnet.

Tony.

T-sphere power: 14 miles per second / page 2

Originally posted by Q99
T-sphere power: 14 miles per second / page 2
Mr Terrific is awesome.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Mr Terrific is awesome.



No argument there.

Come to think of it, Extremis modified all of Tony's senses (sight included.) And since Extremis is a form of tech, there is a possibility that Tony might not be able to see Mister Terrific, even with his 'human' eyes.

umm

In this matchup Terrifics tech, which is invisible to all other forms of technology is going to deactivate Tony and his suit
And theres not a damn thing IM can do about it.

Ironman has omnidirectional attacks...

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Ironman has omnidirectional attacks...
True but a first strike kill on T's part and it won't matter.

Tony

Tony for the general win, but if Terrific prep's properly, he can finesse several wins.

And he gets one automatic win simply for being a cooler character than Tony...

Originally posted by Galan007
Come to think of it, Extremis modified all of Tony's senses (sight included.) And since Extremis is a form of tech, there is a possibility that Tony might not be able to see Mister Terrific, even with his 'human' eyes.

umm

It's a little bit murky at the moment, but if you read the original Extremis arc you'd see that the Extremis virus was something that caused physiological mutations in the infected. That is to say, when it was done, the powers didn't come from Extremis itself being laced into the user's cells or anything like that, but what had happened is that it had artificially made that person a mutant.

So that SHOULDN'T be the case.

I say it's murky, because it's very obvious that Matt Fraction is treating the Extremis as though it's a sort of technoorganic virus, as though it is something that can be 'infected' with alien viruses and what not. That shouldn't have been the case, but that is the way it played out in Secret Invasion, so I don't know.

Anyway, Mr. Terrific is awesome, but no, without significant amounts of one sided prep time he isn't going to be able to mess with Tony. The T Spheres are powerful, but for a much lower weight class. Yeah, he was able to create teleportation tech with them on the fly recently against Kobra, but not just with 5 minutes of prep.

That said, if Bruce Banner can mess with Dr. Doom on the fly, maybe Mr. Terrific could do the same with Iron Man. I'd doubt it, but it's possible. Now that JSA is a smaller team, perhaps we'll get more Mr. Terrific scenes.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You think Mr T could hack IM's armor remotely?

This is all based on intelligence ... Tony has more evidence to suggest he's better, if not a bit more unstable.

I love Mister terrific, IMO he's one of he most rational characters in all of comicdom. But He hasn't designed technology that put him basically onharge of the world, and can hold its own against god such as Thor.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
This is all based on intelligence ... Tony has more evidence to suggest he's better, if not a bit more unstable.

I love Mister terrific, IMO he's one of he most rational characters in all of comicdom. But He hasn't designed technology that put him basically onharge of the world, and can hold its own against god such as Thor.
Rational? For the most part, yes. It stretches credibility that someone could be so entrenched in atheism considering that he was inspired to take up his current lifestyle as a crime fighter by the WRATH OF GOD. He tries very hard to come up with "scientific" explanations but there are times when it would make a lot more sense to admit that there is no scientific explanation.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Rational? For the most part, yes. It stretches credibility that someone could be so entrenched in atheism considering that he was inspired to take up his current lifestyle as a crime fighter by the WRATH OF GOD. He tries very hard to come up with "scientific" explanations but there are times when it would make a lot more sense to admit that there is no scientific explanation.

Lol, too right. Ironically in his reality, Mister T ( i will call him that from now on) best sums up the caliber of academic who believes in I.D. ( intelligent design). There's so many reasons to believe in it, but there is too much evidence to discredit it. I think it was in Infinite crisis that he uses Occam's razor to suggest that psionic-echoes, to explain some blatantly religious thing? YEAH good one, spoken like a true scinetist there !!???

But even Reed Richards believes that 'magic' is just science with a different set of rules.

Until Doom raped him with magic and he basically admitted he didn't know anything.

Which doesn't stop him from being the single greatest mind in the MU.

OK, that's completely irrelevant to anything we were talking about, but you would be wrong, anyway.

Originally posted by Desaad
But even Reed Richards believes that 'magic' is just science with a different set of rules.

Deoes science by Reed Richards standard match up to general conception of magic ???? I don't think it does. In the end, it was entirely based on Richards conception and whether it could incorporate his conception of magic ... and as the last guy mentioned, it obviously didn't.

Its based entirely on the writers interpretation of "technology", and in the end this is very controversial. And does Mister T's devices work on a conceptional version of technology or just a human development upto a point, perspective??? If it does, I think its bullshit, after all Mister T doesn't really believe in any kind of meta physical form of epistemic's, everything is founded in science.

P.S. really drunk again !!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Mindset
OK, that's completely irrelevant to anything we were talking about, but you would be wrong, anyway.

Cool the attitude, first of all.

Second of all, 'you' weren't discussing anything -- so far as I can tell, your only post was in response to me.

Third of all, I'm sorry that you can't suss out the point I'm making, but there is no reason to get snarky about it. You could have just asked me to clarify.

Reed Richards, perhaps Marvel's most rational mind, still tried to fit magic into the confines of science. It's a standard convention of the genre that scientific geniuses -- no matter HOW rational they might be - refuse to accept 'magic' as something wholly different, unexplainable by science, precisely BECAUSE such a thing would, by definition, be IRRATIONAL.

Therefore, there is nothing inherently 'irrational' about Mr. Terrific not believing in magic, at least in the context of scientific rationale.

Get it?

Originally posted by Desaad
Cool the attitude, first of all.

Second of all, 'you' weren't discussing anything -- so far as I can tell, your only post was in response to me.

Third of all, I'm sorry that you can't suss out the point I'm making, but there is no reason to get snarky about it. You could have just asked me to clarify.

Reed Richards, perhaps Marvel's most rational mind, still tried to fit magic into the confines of science. It's a standard convention of the genre that scientific geniuses -- no matter HOW rational they might be - refuse to accept 'magic' as something wholly different, unexplainable by science, precisely BECAUSE such a thing would, by definition, be IRRATIONAL.

Therefore, there is nothing inherently 'irrational' about Mr. Terrific not believing in magic, at least in the context of scientific rationale.

Get it?

U are making a good point, but there is no 1,2,3, points here, u are just re articulating the same point three times.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
U are making a good point, but there is no 1,2,3, points here, u are just re articulating the same point three times.

You're drunk, so I'm going to excuse your reading ability here, but my 'first of all' wasn't a point, it was telling him to cool it. My 'second of all', was pointing out that he wasn't a part of the original conversation, despite trying to insert himself into it. And then my 'third of all' was my actual point.

I was saying I had 3 points. I was breaking up the things I had to say.

Originally posted by Desaad
You're drunk, so I'm going to excuse your reading ability here, but my 'first of all' wasn't a point, it was telling him to cool it. My 'second of all', was pointing out that he wasn't a part of the original conversation, despite trying to insert himself into it. And then my 'third of all' was my actual point.

I was saying I had 3 points. I was breaking up the things I had to say.

1.) Anybody
2.)Can
3.)DO
4.)that
5.)but
6.),
7.)There
8.)Is
9.)No
10.)Need

because it looks really pretentious, unless u are making as many different points. Even when Im drunk, I can understand that. U are just putting a weird kind of spin on the claim u are making."I have three criticisms", when I really only have one etc.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
1.) Anybody
2.)Can
3.)DO
4.)that
5.)but
6.),
7.)There
8.)Is
9.)No
10.)Need

I think the saddest thing is that you really believe that breaking up words is the same thing as breaking up statements.



"First of all" is just about the least pretentious phrase one can use, I would think. If I wanted to appear erudite, I would use more esoteric terms to make it clear that I was belittling one's intelligence.

But I didn't do that, despite the obviously dismissive nature of Mindset's second response to me. It was just a stylistic choice of how to organize my response to him, nothing else.




But...no. Again, I don't think you're understanding. I was simply marking out each statement to be clearer. I wasn't pretending to have three points, just three, discrete, unrelated things to say. Nothing more than that. You're reading far too much into it.

Originally posted by Desaad
Cool the attitude, first of all.

Second of all, 'you' weren't discussing anything -- so far as I can tell, your only post was in response to me.

Third of all, I'm sorry that you can't suss out the point I'm making, but there is no reason to get snarky about it. You could have just asked me to clarify.

Reed Richards, perhaps Marvel's most rational mind, still tried to fit magic into the confines of science. It's a standard convention of the genre that scientific geniuses -- no matter HOW rational they might be - refuse to accept 'magic' as something wholly different, unexplainable by science, precisely BECAUSE such a thing would, by definition, be IRRATIONAL.

Therefore, there is nothing inherently 'irrational' about Mr. Terrific not believing in magic, at least in the context of scientific rationale.

Get it? Thank you.

My response included me into the discussion.

Reed eventually accepted magic as being something wholly different.

Originally posted by Desaad
I think the saddest thing is that you really believe that breaking up words is the same thing as breaking up statements.



"First of all" is just about the least pretentious phrase one can use, I would think. If I wanted to appear erudite, I would use more esoteric terms to make it clear that I was belittling one's intelligence.

But I didn't do that, despite the obviously dismissive nature of Mindset's second response to me. It was just a stylistic choice of how to organize my response to him, nothing else.




But...no. Again, I don't think you're understanding. I was simply marking out each statement to be clearer. I wasn't pretending to have three points, just three, discrete, unrelated things to say. Nothing more than that. You're reading far too much into it.

This is what u claimed before ... I'm only reading into what u are suggesting.

U can read back, its quite clear this is what u claimed.

Originally posted by Desaad
But even Reed Richards believes that 'magic' is just science with a different set of rules.

That's like claiming I know A chess move that would defeat all overs, when we incorporate the rules of scissors, stone, paper.

Originally posted by Desaad
But even Reed Richards believes that 'magic' is just science with a different set of rules.
IIRC Batman is the same way and he called magic the science of another dimension. Mister Terrific on the other hand always pulls some bullshit techno-babble to explain things like souls and heaven. He may be improving though since he did refer to Darkseid as a Devil God in Final Crisis rather than a "malevolent psionic reverberation" or something like that. I think he might finally begin to understand that not everything has a scientific explanation or he might even understand that there is a rational explanation for everything, its just not always purely scientific.