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Who wins?

MOTA.

HOM Wanda.

I'm thinking Solar has the best chance, due to his ability to instantly stop time.. *shrug*

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm thinking Solar has the best chance, due to his ability to instantly stop time.. *shrug*
When dealing with high end cosmics and reality warpers, time (which isn't even a universal constant) really shouldn't matter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
When dealing with high end cosmics and reality warpers, time (which isn't even a universal constant) really shouldn't matter. I see your point. But for the purposes of versus threads, if one character has demonstrated the ability to stop time, and his opponent(s) have not, then I am only going to assume the former character is the only one capable of such.

Originally posted by Galan007
I see your point. But for the purposes of versus threads, if one character has demonstrated the ability to stop time, and his opponent(s) have not, then I am only going to assume the former character is the only one capable of such.
I'm not sure if Mxy has ever stopped time on panel. Does that mean Waverider can beat him?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not sure if Mxy has ever stopped time on panel. Does that mean Waverider can beat him? Except Mxy has, so your point is irrelevant. ermmhappy

They should have just stopped time to beat AM.

Those idiots.

Originally posted by Mindset
They should have just stopped time to beat AM.

Those idiots. Remember though, AM traveled to a point before time even existed - so time-stoppage wouldn't have been an option.

Spectre could have existed time all over his face.

Originally posted by Galan007
Except Mxy has, so your point is irrelevant. ermmhappy
You know what I mean. Timestopping feats don't automatically put you above a character without time stopping feats. Waverider is not > Monarch for instance.

Originally posted by Mindset
Spectre could have existed time all over his face. Spectre can't even affect people without souls. He's as useless as SoK. none

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You know what I mean. Timestopping feats don't automatically put you above a character without time stopping feats. Waverider is not > Monarch for instance. Time manipulation is rarely used by any character(s) capable of doing so. For instance, Extant showed us how quick (and relatively unexciting) battles can be when temporal manipulation is used offensively.

That said, writers are going to consider the plot of the story well before they take into account what a given character is capable of.

Stop time? ... to defeat HOM Wanda?

Wanda rewrote the actual Concept of Time itself,
yet we are to assume she may not have been able to stop it?
She also tore the entire Omniverse (space-time and all in-between) to pieces,
and then rebuilt it with a thought, but meh.

Anyway, during the HOM arc, Wanda was giving God status over Marvel.

No one is defeating her, just like no one could during said arc.

Wanda is one of the most powerful characters ever to exist in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Stop time? ... to defeat HOM Wanda?

Wanda rewrote the actual Concept of Time itself,
yet we are to assume she may not have been able to stop it?
She also tore the entire Omniverse (space-time and all in-between) to pieces,
and then rebuilt it with a thought, but meh.

Anyway, during the HOM arc, Wanda was giving God status over Marvel.

No one is defeating her, just like no one could during said arc.

Wanda is one of the most powerful characters ever to exist in Marvel.

Wait....is that the real Master or Colossus?

The simple fact that Wanda released the chaos wave is not indicative of her having *controllable* temporal manipulation powers of her own, imo.

A military general can fire off a nuclear weapon simply by pushing a button. That doesn't mean he could vaporize a city on his own.

Solar though I think CoiE AM who absorbed the energies of his Antimatterverse could take some wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
The simple fact that Wanda released the chaos wave is not indicative of her having *controllable* temporal manipulation powers of her own, imo.

A military general can fire off a nuclear weapon simply by pushing a button. That doesn't mean he could vaporize a city on his own.
It also doesn't mean he could rebuild the vaporized city with a thought afterwards, to add to your analogy.

Wanda did. That displays control over the Chaos Wave.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Wait....is that the real Master or Colossus? he 's right though

Originally posted by Enyalus

It also doesn't mean he could rebuild the vaporized city with a thought afterwards,
to add to your analogy.

Wanda did.

That displays control over the Chaos Wave.
Darn, took the fonts right out of my cpu.

Anyway ...

That aside, Wanda warped the 616 Universe, (space-time)
turning it into a completely different Universe. (58163)
(and this had nothing to do with the Chaos Wave)

So, "Time" was Wanda's plaything, in either case.

Wasn't HoM Wanda's power but a fraction of Chthon's?


Man of The Atom takes a solid majority.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Wasn't HoM Wanda's power but a fraction of Chthon's?
No.

Oh. I read in a thread some time ago, someone said the Chaos Wave originated from Chthon or maybe another Elder God/Abstract?

Pardon my lack of knowledge of the Marvel cosmology

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

Oh. I read in a thread some time ago,
someone said the Chaos Wave originated from Chthon or maybe another Elder God/Abstract?
That was one member spreading that 100% bull shit
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon

Pardon my lack of knowledge of the Marvel cosmology
We all learn as we go.

goin with either solar or antimoniter. scarlet witch couldnt even stop an arrow being fired at her from hawkeye how in the hell would she survive blasts from anti or solar?

Solar for the win imo.

No one here is defeating Wanda.
Originally posted by john allerdyce

scarlet witch couldnt even stop an arrow being fired at her from hawkeye
You mean the same arrow that shot her dead in the heart by a bloodlust Hawkeye,
Hawkeye who Wanda herself brought back to life and loved,
the arrow which she survived unharmed, removed from her heart
and then disassembled like lego blocks, and then disassembled Hawkeye as well?

Yea, I remember that incident,
when a distraught Wanda was distracted by Dr Strange,
while she was fueling the Chaos Wave,
and while she was in the process of controlling the 616 Reality,
and also a separate Reality within her sanctum just to show Strange a certain scenario.

I'd like to see Hawkeye
or anyone for that matter sneak anything pass a battle ready Wanda.
Originally posted by john allerdyce

how in the hell would she survive blasts from anti or solar?
Wanda tore the entirety of Marvel to pieces, she then rebuilt it all back with a thought,
this is while simultaneously erasing from existence
the mutant gene from 90% of the race across all Timelines.

Even for those who want to downplay what Wanda did and are going with Solar winning...how does he beat COIE AM?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Solar's most powerful feat was destroying a universe with a black hole.

COIE AM destroyed over 3,000 universes, on panel...It's kind of what he does. Why go with Solar over COIE AM?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Stop time? ... to defeat HOM Wanda?

Wanda rewrote the actual Concept of Time itself,
yet we are to assume she may not have been able to stop it?
She also tore the entire Omniverse (space-time and all in-between) to pieces,
and then rebuilt it with a thought, but meh.

Anyway, during the HOM arc, Wanda was giving God status over Marvel.

No one is defeating her, just like no one could during said arc.

Wanda is one of the most powerful characters ever to exist in Marvel.

You think she was above TOAA

Originally posted by Enyalus
Even for those who want to downplay what Wanda did and are going with Solar winning...how does he beat COIE AM?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Solar's most powerful feat was destroying a universe with a black hole.

COIE AM destroyed over 3,000 universes, on panel...It's kind of what he does. Why go with Solar over COIE AM?

Solar created multiverses

Impressive ... but Wanda tore to pieces and rebuilt an infinite number of Multiverses.
Originally posted by Endless Mike

You think she was above TOAA
If you know me then you know I wouldn't never think that.

That aside, no, she could never be above that which drew her into existence.

The Marvel Universe, and everything in it,
is nothing more than ink and paper to TOAA.
(literally depicted on panel as what is and how TOAA operates)

Basically, TOAA is a fictional illustrated representation of the writers/artists of Marvel.

Originally posted by Galan007
Spectre can't even affect people without souls. He's as useless as SoK. none

the living tribunal can though

Originally posted by Mr Master
Impressive ... but Wanda tore to pieces and rebuilt an infinite number of Multiverses.

If you know me then you know I wouldn't never think that.

That aside, no, she could never be above that which drew her into existence.

The Marvel Universe, and everything in it,
is nothing more than ink and paper to TOAA.
(literally depicted on panel as what is and how TOAA operates)

Basically, TOAA is a fictional illustrated representation of the writers/artists of Marvel.

You said she was given God status over Marvel and no one could defeat her.

heh.

Thus begins a hugely unneeded argument that no one knows what is going on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That was one member spreading that 100% bull shit

We all learn as we go.

"while he and the Scarlet Witch (a being powered by the Elder God Chthon with enough power to generate alternate realities and permanently shift the nature of the entire Marvel Multiverse) clashed over the Evil Eye of Avalon"

directly from here
http://marvel.wikia.com/Dormammu_(Earth-616)#cite_note-2

Originally posted by Endless Mike

You said she was given God status over Marvel and no one could defeat her.
Right, but when I say this I obviously do not mean TOAA,
who is not a character that can be categorized with their drawings.

TOAA = the writers who make up the stories we read,
and the artists that bring these stories to reality with a pencil.

This is the basic understanding
of Marvel's depiction of TOAA on panel which is supported by their Handbooks.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

"while he and the Scarlet Witch (a being powered by the Elder God Chthon with enough power to generate alternate realities and permanently shift the nature of the entire Marvel Multiverse) clashed over the Evil Eye of Avalon"

directly from here
http://marvel.wikia.com/Dormammu_(Earth-616)#cite_note-2
Directly from "wikia" garbage ... facepalm

http://marvel.wikia.com/Main_Page

"Welcome to the Marvel Database Project,
the world's largest Marvel Comics encyclopedia that anyone can edit".



Dude, you should really read comics, (including official Marvel Handbooks)
and stop basing your ideas off of wiki nonsense.

I told ya before, Wanda gained her initial abilities from Chthon,
but Wanda's full potential had/has nothing at all to do with Chthon.

Chthon bonded to Wanda in her infancy, this gave her limited mystical abilities,
but Wanda separated herself from that bond many years ago.

Wanda retained her abilities although she was no longer bonded to Chthon,
Wanda later reached a potential Chthon could only dream of.

Why?

Because Wanda is the 616 Nexus Being,
a living focal point for the 616 Reality's mystical energy.

In fact, this is the reason Chthon bonded to her to begin with,
because he knew someday Wanda (due to her own inherent purpose)
would increase in capability to infinite levels. (HOM)
So he thought he would be a part of that potential, but sorry, no.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Right, but when I say this I obviously do not mean TOAA,
who is not a character that can be categorized with their drawings.

TOAA = the writers who make up the stories we read,
and the artists that bring these stories to reality with a pencil.

This is the basic understanding
of Marvel's depiction of TOAA on panel which is supported by their Handbooks.


Directly from "wikia" garbage ... facepalm

http://marvel.wikia.com/Main_Page

"Welcome to the Marvel Database Project,
the world's largest Marvel Comics encyclopedia that anyone can edit".



Dude, you should really read comics, (including official Marvel Handbooks)
and stop basing your ideas off of wiki nonsense.

I told ya before, Wanda gained her initial abilities from Chthon,
but Wanda's full potential had/has nothing at all to do with Chthon.

Chthon bonded to Wanda in her infancy, this gave her limited mystical abilities,
but Wanda separated herself from that bond many years ago.

Wanda retained her abilities although she was no longer bonded to Chthon,
Wanda later reached a potential Chthon could only dream of.

Why?

Because Wanda is the 616 Nexus Being,
a living focal point for the 616 Reality's mystical energy.

In fact, this is the reason Chthon bonded to her to begin with,
because he knew someday Wanda (due to her own inherent purpose)
would increase in capability to infinite levels. (HOM)
So he thought he would be a part of that potential, but sorry, no. i wasnt talking about hom wanda. but yea your right

also isnt LC and MO supposed to be source of magic for 616?
if so, then wandas chaos wave is none other than Lord Chaos.

i mean i have seen both dormammu and chthon being shown as representitives of Lord Chaos, while people like vishanti and odin have represented master order...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

also isnt LC and MO supposed to be source of magic for 616?
if so, then wandas chaos wave is none other than Lord Chaos.
The abstracts were just more victims of Wanda's power.

So no, LC had nothing to do with fueling the CW, that was Wanda's sole doing.