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Thor
Beta Ray Bill
Loki


vs.



Superman
Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman

Tean Asgard

maybe a split..team 1 is more powerful but team 2 have superspeed..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
maybe a split..team 1 is more powerful but team 2 have superspeed..

Not to the point where it becomes the bane of Team 1.

Besides, Loki can amp Thor and BRB to have superspeed while being intangible.

I don't see how 2 hammer can exist at the same time... but i have to go with team asgard.

They're different hammers. Mjolnir and Stormbreaker.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I don't see how 2 hammer can exist at the same time... but i have to go with team asgard. Jake already covered this.

Team 1.

Sweet! BRB's Hammer has a sharp end, If that gets Supes on the head he is dead!

Team 1.

BrB and Thor make for a nasty tank team.

Team 2 6/10

Team Viking dominates. If team 2 can take Loki out fast they can get some wins.

team 1

WW's tiara slices off Superman's head FTW

Team 1.

Only chance for Team 2 is for WW to lasso Loki very quickly. I don't see that happening very often.

Originally posted by janus77
WW's tiara slices off Superman's head FTW

Why should she attack someone from her team?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Why should she attack someone from her team?
it's Superman. why wouldn't she?

Originally posted by janus77
it's Superman. why wouldn't she?

Because she is no hater and because she is female?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Because she is no hater and because she is female?
ok then, she throws the tiara at Thor, it bounces of Mjolnir and then decapitates Superman FTW.


happy?

Honestly, Team 1 gets Loki, while team 2 gets J'onn? Not exactly fair...

Team 1.

Originally posted by janus77
ok then, she throws the tiara at Thor, it bounces of Mjolnir and then decapitates Superman FTW.


happy?

Much better

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, Team 1 gets Loki, while team 2 gets J'onn? Not exactly fair...

Team 1.

you think WW would be a bigger threat than Jonn for team 1?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Much better
I knew there was a way forward. everybody loves a happy ending

Originally posted by Warlord
you think WW would be a bigger threat than Jonn for team 1?
she's got more impressive ... assets

Originally posted by Warlord
you think WW would be a bigger threat than Jonn for team 1?

in terms of feats and regular performance, yes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
in terms of feats and regular performance, yes.

Cosigned. Having a weapon that can subdue gods isn't bad either.

Originally posted by -Pr-
in terms of feats and regular performance, yes.

yes but what about non jobbing going all out?

Originally posted by Warlord
yes but what about non jobbing going all out?

it's closer, but i'd still give the nod to diana, personally.

I disagree but still a competent magic user is dificult to be countered.
T2 needs Fate, Zatana or Etrigan IMO

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's closer, but i'd still give the nod to diana, personally.

Yea. Especially versus a magic user.

i'd replace J'onn with Hal, Zatanna or CM Billy, personally.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'd replace J'onn with Hal, Zatanna or CM Billy, personally.

or firestorm

Originally posted by Warlord
or firestorm

maybe, but only Ronnie.

Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman

Team 1

Originally posted by -Pr-
Honestly, Team 1 gets Loki, while team 2 gets J'onn? Not exactly fair...
Not fair because J'onn is more powerful than the entire Justice League combined? I agree.

Team One wins.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Not fair because J'onn is more powerful than the entire Justice League combined? I agree.

Team One wins.
That's why next page you see his ass getting owned

WW brings her team down yet again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW brings her team down yet again.

Most believe it's J'onn who brings the team down here. Diana's top notch magic resistance and her gear make her a good match for the magical firepower team 1 brings.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Most believe it's J'onn who brings the team down here. Diana's top notch magic resistance and her gear make her a good match for the magical firepower team 1 brings. I see Jonn as being stronger and more durable personally. I think he can take more punishment than WW can. I get it she is more skilled but no one is escaping the hammer bros. here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see Jonn as being stronger and more durable personally. I think he can take more punishment than WW can. I get it she is more skilled but no one is escaping the hammer bros. here.

Him being stronger and more durable is debatable, as his high end feats on both fronts don't really put him beyond WW in the same respect. He's extremely more versatile, sure, and without CIS he's a monster, but physically speaking, he doesn't off more than Diana, unless he just goes intangible - which isn't much of a saving grace against Team 1.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Him being stronger and more durable is debatable, as his high end feats on both fronts don't really put him beyond WW in the same respect. He's extremely more versatile, sure, and without CIS he's a monster, but physically speaking, he doesn't off more than Diana, unless he just goes intangible - which isn't much of a saving grace against Team 1. You really think she is more durable and as strong as MM?

Durable? Yes
As strong? no

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really think she is more durable and as strong as MM?

I have yet to see any feats that puts him beyond her directly on those assets. A lot of spoken statements, sure, but on panel proof that he's stronger/more durable than her? At the very least they're equals in that department with her skill and equipment balancing things out against his versatility.

Team asgard wins

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I have yet to see any feats that puts him beyond her directly on those assets. A lot of spoken statements, sure, but on panel proof that he's stronger/more durable than her? At the very least they're equals in that department with her skill and equipment balancing things out against his versatility. It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

T1 baby! Asgard bros ftw!

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

Overall I think she has the advantage in an aggregate of all fields.

I can't really recall a time when he's packed more whallop than she has. His endurance is definitely less- he gets tired easier, even when flame's not around.


They're all without a doubt peers physically, but it's been outright said that Superman is the only one in the League who could stop an out-of-control Diana, a statement made with J'onn in the room.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see Jonn as being stronger and more durable personally.
I don't mind the 'stronger' comment. But I think its pretty obvious that Wonder Woman is more durable and goes the distance with far more of her opponents than J'onn does.

Team 2.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

So you're going with a gut feeling/preconceived notions over on panel feats?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's clear to me MM is a peer to Superman in strength while WW isn't. She's close and can hurt either of them but they pack more whallop than she does. Me myself I don't need to see a ton of feats to know who is stronger. Most feats are only exclusive for the character who performed them and how often did the character you are comparing that character to in strength try and fail the same feat.

Doomsday disagrees.

Team 1.

Haha yea. John doesn't have a.....good track record against Doomsday. He really took a pounding even back in DoS.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Doomsday disagrees.

And so do I.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
And so do I.

tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.

They're just about the same in my book. Any difference either way wouldn't be that noticeable. I was commenting more on him being a bit below Superman. That I agree with. Again, it's not a huge margin or anything.

I do agree he's not as fast. Durability I'm not sure. I think Diana would last longer in a fight personally. J'onn has more abilities, but Diana has the lasso. In a fight like this with so much magic being thrown around, I think WW is better teammate.

Beta Ray Bill mortally wounds Supes with the sharp point of his hammer then finishes him off. While Loki uses spells to slightly weaken him.

Loki fills Martian Manhunter with magical flames and binding spells. While intangible.

Thor holds off Diana until the others are done then they team her to death.

These guys live for battle tactics.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
They're just about the same in my book. Any difference either way wouldn't be that noticeable. I was commenting more on him being a bit below Superman. That I agree with. Again, it's not a huge margin or anything.

I do agree he's not as fast. Durability I'm not sure. I think Diana would last longer in a fight personally. J'onn has more abilities, but Diana has the lasso. In a fight like this with so much magic being thrown around, I think WW is better teammate.

in this fight? definitely. i'd take diana over j'onn any day. that's the beaty of the league, though. they're so diverse that there's always someone tailer made for each crisis.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Beta Ray Bill mortally wounds Supes with the sharp point of his hammer then finishes him off. While Loki uses spells to slightly weaken him.

Loki fills Martian Manhunter with magical flames and binding spells. While intangible.

Thor holds off Diana until the others are done then they team her to death.

These guys live for battle tactics.

so the JLA members aren't good tacticians? really.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh, i'd maybe say J'onn was stronger than Diana, but not by any considerable distance. He's not as fast, though.
Right.

I'd say J'onn was stronger, Diana's both faster and more durable. J'onn regularly gets his shit kicked in and has to heal/reform. Diana just hangs in there and toughs it out.

Originally posted by -Pr-

so the JLA members aren't good tacticians? really.

I never said that. Just said the Asgardians luuurve a fight.

Team 1, because WW has the lasso of truth, which is dumb... VERY dumb....

No but honestly, i think team 2 has a good shot.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I never said that. Just said the Asgardians luuurve a fight.

so does most of team 2.

and i seriously doubt one smack of bill's hammer will put down superman. he's taken much worse.

Originally posted by -Pr-
so does most of team 2.

and i seriously doubt one smack of bill's hammer will put down superman. he's taken much worse.


Obviously this fight would go much longer than my break down.

And I said mortally wounds him not kills or knocks out him.
You stated yourself that Supes like to see what his opponents can dish out when he fights people for the first time due to his incredible durability. Unfortunately for Supes BRB's hammer is as enchanted as Diana's tiara thing but has a sharp POINTY end. Add Loki casting spells on him. If BRB got him on the head OUCH! Gashing wound. Then BRB proceeds to clobber with the sharp end.....Somethinf Thor can't do.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Obviously this fight would go much longer than my break down.

And I said mortally wounds him not kills or knocks out him.
You stated yourself that Supes like to see what his opponents can dish out when he fights people for the first time due to his incredible durability. Unfortunately for Supes BRB's hammer is as enchanted as Diana's tiara thing but has a sharp POINTY end. Add Loki casting spells on him. If BRB got him on the head OUCH! Gashing wound. Then BRB proceeds to clobber with the sharp end.....Somethinf Thor can't do.

Just a thought.

An energy blast and a hammer aren't the same thing. You honestly think he'd stand there when he knows (from basic knowledge) that Bill is magical, and is swinging a hammer at his face? I seriously doubt it.

True! But I still think the hammer will be much more effective than Thor's.

Originally posted by the ninjak
True! But I still think the hammer will be much more effective than Thor's.

maybe, but i don't rate Bill as being as dangerous as Thor, tbh.

Originally posted by the ninjak
True! But I still think the hammer will be much more effective than Thor's.

due to one end being sharp?
that would surprise me

Originally posted by -Pr-
maybe, but i don't rate Bill as being as dangerous as Thor, tbh.

I agree. Maybe they should swap hammers, temporarily.

Originally posted by Warlord
due to one end being sharp?
that would surprise me

Against a Kryptonian .......yes.

what makes u think that?
it would be the equivalent difference between a warhammer and an axe against a normal soldier...IMO superman could withstand his arms being broken by a magical hammer (in one or two blows at least) so he could wihthstand them being cut

Originally posted by Q99
Overall I think she has the advantage in an aggregate of all fields.

I can't really recall a time when he's packed more whallop than she has. His endurance is definitely less- he gets tired easier, even when flame's not around.


They're all without a doubt peers physically, but it's been outright said that Superman is the only one in the League who could stop an out-of-control Diana, a statement made with J'onn in the room. His strength is on par with Superman's hers isn't. Jonn's also been stated as the most powerful member of the team. If you want to go by one statement then you bet your ass I am going to bring up another statement in favor of Martian.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't mind the 'stronger' comment. But I think its pretty obvious that Wonder Woman is more durable and goes the distance with far more of her opponents than J'onn does. I disagree.Originally posted by Konton
So you're going with a gut feeling/preconceived notions over on panel feats?
I am going with common sense. I don't need to see a lot of feats from WB Hulk to know he is stronger than WW Hulk. By your logic since he only had one feat to his name then WW Hulk was greater than WB Hulk.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Doomsday disagrees. DD's an idiot.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha yea. John doesn't have a.....good track record against Doomsday. He really took a pounding even back in DoS. Orion was also dealt with in under 60 seconds but I guarantee most give him odds over Diana.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is on par with Superman's hers isn't. Jonn's also been stated as the most powerful member of the team.

Zatanna, Superman, Hal, etc. have also all been stated to be the most powerful members of the team at one point or another.

Originally posted by -Pr-
maybe, but i don't rate Bill as being as dangerous as Thor, tbh. Reason? BRB seem to hold back less

When I saw BRB just tanking Stardust's most destructive force blasts I began seeing him as somewhat more threatening.

People just like big explosions and cosmic cheese feats.

When Stormbreaker came out, Bill was like god to some people.

Originally posted by Konton
Zatanna, Superman, Hal, etc. have also all been stated to be the most powerful members of the team at one point or another. Has Diana?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Has Diana?

You fail to see my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is on par with Superman's hers isn't.


Sure it is.

Superman's stronger than either, but they're both clearly not all that far behind.

T2

T1

Originally posted by Q99
Sure it is.

Superman's stronger than either, but they're both clearly not all that far behind.

You're wasting your time on him hehe

Superman is weakened by Loki's magic and takes more damage from both hammers as usual.
Loki remains intangible. + Incinerates Martian Manhunter with summoned flame!
Wonder Woman is the only factor here and she falls to the team!

Originally posted by Warlord
what makes u think that?
it would be the equivalent difference between a warhammer and an axe against a normal soldier...IMO superman could withstand his arms being broken by a magical hammer (in one or two blows at least) so he could wihthstand them being cut

off?

the point he's trying to make is that a piercing wound to the brain will put him down for the fight, while bashing damage to the skull he might tank.

Originally posted by 753
off?

True! The Demon has slashed him.
Diana's tiara.
And Vampire teeth can pierce his flesh...sure a live vampire will die but the teeth work just fine!
Beta Ray Bill's axe side of his hammer would fatally wound Supes.
If not decapitate him!
It's just PIS that such circumstances haven't eventuated.

Team 1 and I would like to add something.

Thor is more powerful than Beta Ray Bill but Bill is FAR more dangerous.

Bill does not hold back at all. He goes for the kill and start the fight out with planet destroying hits.

IMO Bill can take anyone on team 2 out of the fight and fast.