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No Universal Abstracts or anything like that.

King Thor.

firestorm

Originally posted by Parmaniac
firestorm
By exploiting the molecular hairline crack?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
By exploiting the molecular hairline crack? By turning it into salt

Antimatter. If antimatter doesn't, then Cap's shield is made out of something which is not ordinary matter or defies the laws of physics...

...oh wait...

Originally posted by Mindship
Antimatter. If antimatter doesn't, then Cap's shield is made out of something which is not ordinary matter or defies the laws of physics...

...oh wait... to be fair DC antimatter for example works different than real life Anti matter

Jakeem Thunder

Originally posted by Parmaniac
to be fair DC antimatter for example works different than real life Anti matter Selectively reactive? Maybe they subscribe to the theory that an element can only be annihilated by its anti-element. So Cap's shield would be immune to anything anti except (what is it?) anti-adamantium / anti-vibranium?

Originally posted by Mindship
Selectively reactive? Maybe they subscribe to the theory that an element can only be annihilated by its anti-element. So Cap's shield would be immune to anything anti except (what is it?) anti-adamantium / anti-vibranium? ....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
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Orion solos.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
No Universal Abstracts or anything like that. I think one of flashes punches with the force of a neutron star, and with some brass nuckles made of enchanted uru, Adamantium....

Straw thrown hard enough.

Chuck norris

"nuff said"

The weakest thing though would prob be...well it's only been destroyed twice.Once against the IG and once against the beyonder.

Zatanna

Have any 'decent' matter manipulators ever tried, and failed to transmute Cap's shield? If not then Firestorm is as good of choice as any.

Originally posted by Galan007
Have any 'decent' matter manipulators ever tried, and failed to transmute Cap's shield? If not then Firestorm is as good of choice as any.

Originally posted by Galan007
Have any 'decent' matter manipulators ever tried, and failed to transmute Cap's shield? If not then Firestorm is as good of choice as any.
I can't remember what the outcome was but I do recall Cap going against Molecule Man once.

Molecule Man

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I can't remember what the outcome was but I do recall Cap going against Molecule Man once. He knocked Molecule Man out after MM KO'ed Surfer...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I can't remember what the outcome was but I do recall Cap going against Molecule Man once.

iirc, Molecule Man did destroy or damage the shield, stating it was "weirder than anything he had felt before" and he had destroyed Surfer's board and Mjolnir as well

Yup, that's what happened. Beat me to it Jake.

Karnak

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Karnak

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
iirc, Molecule Man did destroy or damage the shield, stating it was "weirder than anything he had felt before" and he had destroyed Surfer's board and Mjolnir as well Wasn't that the same issue where MM ended up easily recreating the board, shield, and hammer, but was unable to recreate Tony's armor because the circuitry was too complex?

Heh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wasn't that the same issue where MM ended up easily recreating Surfer's board and Cap's shield, but was unable to recreate Tony's armor because the circuitry was too complex?

Heh.

I think so. It goes to show you that Molecule Man's powers are limited by his own intellect or lack thereof at times.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wasn't that the same issue where MM ended up easily recreating the board, shield, and hammer, but was unable to recreate Tony's armor because the circuitry was too complex?

Heh. makes sense...he can recreate raw material but not intelligent design

Originally posted by Starscream M
makes sense...he can recreate raw material but not intelligent design Just seems like recreating an Odin-enchanted hammer, and a cosmically powered board would be more difficult than recreating the man made circuitry of an armor.

lol but to be fair at least the board and hammer are simple designs unlike tony's armor.

He messed up with the shield, didn't he?

Idk I didn't read those comics

Originally posted by Black bolt z
lol but to be fair at least the board and hammer are simple designs unlike tony's armor. Magic and Comic board is more simple than an armor?

Remember what the hammer can do I don't think is at simple as it looks.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


fine,, KK then

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Idk I didn't read those comics

He did. Recreated shield had a flaw. So it was not just Tony's armor that was too complex for him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Just seems like recreating an Odin-enchanted hammer, and a cosmically powered board would be more difficult than recreating the man made circuitry of an armor.
I'm pretty sure the whole reason that there's never been an entire army of guys armed with shields like Cap is that aside from Vibranium being rather prohibitively rare no one can figure out the right composition of the shield's material. How then could MM put it back together and then fail to recreate Tony's armor? I understand that the circuitry would be difficult but so would pegging the proper chemical formula for Cap's shield or recreating enchanted Uru.

Edit: ^Nvm.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did. Recreated shield had a flaw. You sure that was MM's error? For some reason I thought the 'flaw' in Cap's shield originated when the Beyonder recreated it after Doom (/w/ Beyonder's power) had destroyed it. Wasn't that what introduced a small sub-molecular imperfection into the vibranium, leaving one solitary molecule out of alignment, and eventually shattering it?

Originally posted by Galan007
You sure that was MM's error? For some reason I thought the 'flaw' in Cap's shield originated when the Beyonder recreated it after Doom (/w/ Beyonder's power) had destroyed it. Wasn't that what introduced a small sub-molecular imperfection into the vibranium, leaving one solitary molecule out of alignment, and eventually shattering it?
It seems like it would be easy for someone like Dr Doom to build a device that can look through time which would allow him to discover just what happened when the scientist who created the shield fell asleep. That way Doom could make a suit of armor from the same stuff as Cap's shield and he'd be close to unstoppable.

Originally posted by Mindship
Selectively reactive? Maybe they subscribe to the theory that an element can only be annihilated by its anti-element. So Cap's shield would be immune to anything anti except (what is it?) anti-adamantium / anti-vibranium?

There is a form of vibranium in the savage land called antimetal that emits vibrations instead of absorbing them. In a way it's a form anti-vibranium. It can liquify any metal depending on the ammount you have, the frequencies change depending on the density until a wavelengh that can destroy even adamantium or vibranium can be found.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
.... About?

Originally posted by Galan007
You sure that was MM's error? For some reason I thought the 'flaw' in Cap's shield originated when the Beyonder recreated it after Doom (/w/ Beyonder's power) had destroyed it. Wasn't that what introduced a small sub-molecular imperfection into the vibranium, leaving one solitary molecule out of alignment?

You're right, it was Beyonder's fault. My bad

^ Cool beans, just double checking.

Weakest person? Matter-Eater Lad

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Weakest person? Matter-Eater Lad MEL's ability to consume all types of matter is completely uninhibited -- his devouring of the Miracle Machine and all of its energies is proof enough of that.

ie. he ain't 'weak'.

Originally posted by Galan007
MEL's ability to consume all types of matter is completely uninhibited -- his devouring of the Miracle Machine and all of its energies is proof enough of that.

ie. he ain't 'weak'.
IYO could he eat Galactus if he could get Big G in his mouth?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
IYO could he eat Galactus if he could get Big G in his mouth? MEL ate the Miracle Machine. I doubt devouring Galactus would be any more difficult then that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
IYO could he eat Galactus if he could get Big G in his mouth?

I'm sure that came out dirtier than how you thought it.

P.S. by that logic Lindsay Lohan is > Galactus cause she can fit a lot in her...

Originally posted by Galan007
Just seems like recreating an Odin-enchanted hammer, and a cosmically powered board would be more difficult than recreating the man made circuitry of an armor. the hammer is still enchanted my magic even when shattered, just can't be used like that. and the board is almost the same as mjolnir in that it has it's own cosmic energy separate from the surfer.

tony's armour is an intricate piece of machinery, it was an accident at the lab that caused reese to get empowered, so basically, he's a dumb ass.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
IYO could he eat Galactus if he could get Big G in his mouth?


Yes he could... on both situations.

Hmmmm...

To use the old "Class" system as a gauge (as a number of people around here sometimes do), if adamantium/uru is Cl1000, and Cap's shield is Cl5000, then pretty much only the absolutely strongest non-abstract beings would be able to dent/break it (upper-ranges Superman, WB Hulk, or the such); it would seem, contextually, that even powerful mystics and matter manipulators would have problems with it. So either a very amped mystic, or a sun-dipped/ultra-enraged brick, would do the job.

Orion

Apocalypse soloes.

Black Panther

The Bush administration.

Magneto might be able to

Durok?

How about Grey Gargoyle?
Could he turn the Shield into stone?

Originally posted by the ninjak
The Bush administration.

The OP said No Abstracts.

(So Cheney using his Omega-Effect... er, his Mad Titan Power... er, Infinity Gaun-- uh... yeah... no... No Abstracts, especially those that have the power to flaut pardoxical forces and get away with shooting a dude in the face and get *him* to apologize for being in the way...)

does moleculer manip count? OP ment "destroy" w/raw force like physical or energy blast or somethin...IMO

Aunt May with an anti-metal machette tuned to the right frequency. Magneto might do it if he puts in the effort.

Hey 753

Originally posted by the ninjak
How about Grey Gargoyle?
Could he turn the Shield into stone?

What do you think?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Hey 753



What do you think?

Good question, was there ever non living thing he couldn't turn to stone? He can probably do it. I don't see a reason for the shield having any special defense against transmutation, I think it's only very tough against shock and heat.

But the things he turns to stone turn back after some time right? I've read very few things with him in it.

Originally posted by 753
Good question, was there ever non living thing he couldn't turn to stone? He can probably do it. I don't see a reason for the shield having any special defense against transmutation, I think it's only very tough against shock and heat.

But the things he turns to stone turn back after some time right? I've read very few things with him in it.

Yeah if he turns it then shatters it bye bye Shield.

He did re-emerge about a year ago I can't remember when and where.

It failed on the Hulk and he was one of the inmates to escape the Raft in New Avengers!
Forming a Team against Osborne but other than that he is laying low.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Yeah if he turns it then shatters it bye bye Shield.



good point

hulk is alive and a freak, it should work on the shield

Blink?