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It depends on if Backlash has CIS on or off.

By default it's on, so he'd probably lose.

CIS?

I don't know, CIS might be irrelevant, current Slayton is kinda old and washed up. His is missing a leg, his powers barely work and when they do they drain him.

I'm using Backlash at his peak.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
CIS?
Actually, I think we're using "CIP" these days? Those limits that a character may place on themselves for any variety of reasons.

Superman wouldn't just pick up a hospital full of patients and smash his enemy with it, for example.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't know, CIS might be irrelevant, current Slayton is kinda old and washed up. His is missing a leg, his powers barely work and when they do they drain him.
I assumed he meant old school Marc.

You are right though. He looked pretty damn bad recently. Do you think he could still even do a mist kill if the OP allowed it?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm using Backlash at his peak.
Yeah, then what I said earlier. CIS/CIP on, Backlash would probably lose.

I don't see how that will affect the outcome. Backlash can turn to mist and knock him out that way. Something that happened to X in Thunderbolts. Forgot about that. Plus his stats are enhanced greater than X's.

The problem for Backlash is X's tp, but he has that as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't see how that will affect the outcome. Backlash can turn to mist and knock him out that way. Something that happened to X in Thunderbolts. Forgot about that. Plus his stats are enhanced greater than X's.

The problem for Backlash is X's tp, but he has that as well.
turning to mist would not knock X out. X was knocked out by ghost going intangiable mixed with a charge directed to X brain. X issue or so later was able to sense ghost in intangiable form. It extremely hard to beat X the same way twice. He adapts very well and trains to overcoming weaknesses.




When has backlash shown telepathy?

He's shown tp and TK abilities when he was exposed to gen factor. He's pretty durable and strong. He could definitely ko X.

He's also stopped Zealot and has more experience than X.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's shown tp and TK abilities when he was exposed to gen factor. He's pretty durable and strong. He could definitely ko X.

He's also stopped Zealot and has more experience than X.
lol you are the thread maker.


that a marvel picture

Let's use current Backlash. Peak Backlash would be almost a stomp from what I see in his respect thread.

That would be a stomp in favor of Mister X then if current is being used as Srankmissin mentioned his all wash up and old.. Peak as Pre-Kherubim it would be stomp in favor of Backlash, just too much abilities/powers at his disposal; instant healing after turning into mist,unlimited partial to full mist form, poison mist form, transform other to mist form, tp/tk, psychokinetic blast, astral form, etc, etc.. Kherubim Backlash would be much suited for the match as his abilities are much more toned down - im thinking split even or maybe slight edge to slayton - ..

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I don't see how that will affect the outcome. Backlash can turn to mist and knock him out that way. Something that happened to X in Thunderbolts. Forgot about that. Plus his stats are enhanced greater than X's.

The problem for Backlash is X's tp, but he has that as well.
Because he wouldn't just mist around all day.

Also, his stats aren't enhanced beyond Mr. X's.
Originally posted by Ambient
That would be a stomp in favor of Mister X then if current is being used as Srankmissin mentioned his all wash up and old.. Peak as Pre-Kherubim it would be stomp in favor of Backlash, just too much abilities/powers at his disposal; instant healing after turning into mist,unlimited partial to full mist form, poison mist form, transform other to mist form, tp/tk, psychokinetic blast, astral form, etc, etc.. Kherubim Backlash would be much suited for the match as his abilities are much more toned down - im thinking split even or maybe slight edge to slayton - ..
Are you talking about during Team 7? The strange thing is, nearly everyone except for Marc displayed telepathy and telekinesis. I may need to reread it, but I remember him only manifesting the psi whips even back then. He contributed energy when they did the group shields, but that's not the same thing.

He only needs to mist once. Hell, he even mist INSIDE an alien once. And he has displayed TP blasts in his respect thread. Courtesy of Ambient.

Backlash has tangled with Savage Dragon. Both who are stronger than more durable than X.

why are we assuming misting will hurt mister x?

Not the mist itself, but X will have a hard time making contact. Plus, he can mist inside his body and cause all types of problems.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He only needs to mist once. Hell, he even mist INSIDE an alien once. And he has displayed TP blasts in his respect thread. Courtesy of Ambient.

Backlash has tangled with Savage Dragon. Both who are stronger than more durable than X.
He won't do the de-mist inside of Mr. X due to CIS/CIP. The psi blast I thought was from the whips. If it's not, it's the only time I've seen him do that.

I hate to have to say this, but tangling with super strong/durable foes is standard street/low meta stuff. Mr X also "tangled" with Namorita who is stronger and more durable than Backlash.

That said, I do think Backlash can win this. I just think going melee with Mr. X. is a bad idea, and I think Backlash may not realize that in time to start misting around.

I'm strictly going off what he has done in battle. Anything that he does in battle, I use in the forums. And he did a Psi blast against Helspont.

one time feats don't become standard abilities though..........


also simpl;y becuase he used a psi blast does not mean he can prevent mister x from reading his mind.

Backlash can also prevent someone from reading his mind and he's done his mist abilities a lot more than once. So, it's standard.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Backlash can also prevent someone from reading his mind and he's done his mist abilities a lot more than once. So, it's standard.
I was talking about psi blast.



How does backlash prevent people form reading his mind? Wolverine been able to block out the most powerful telepaths in marvel before, but failed to stop gorgon.

He's had training, I believe and at his peak he's showed TP powers. Even on Helspont.

I wonder how X will do against his psi whips. He got fried before, Backlash will do it again.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's had training, I believe and at his peak he's showed TP powers. Even on Helspont.

I wonder how X will do against his psi whips. He got fried before, Backlash will do it again.
So has wolverine and he has great tp resistent feats that i wager would crush backlashes own. To assume that backlash would be resistent to X telepathy is a stretch to say the least.



It happen once and the next time X was able to sense ghost. Dude does not show the same weaknesses twice, he a beast that way.

Just because Wolvie couldn't, doesn't mean Backlash would. And he can go into mist form, which would also protect him. Something Wolvie doesn't have.

And those whips are different than Ghost. So, it's not the same.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Just because Wolvie couldn't, doesn't mean Backlash would. And he can go into mist form, which would also protect him. Something Wolvie doesn't have.

And those whips are different than Ghost. So, it's not the same.
Yes it kinda does, when wolverine has better TP resistent feats and has read pretty much everyones mind he tried to.

I dont think so, X showed the ability to senses ghost when he was intangible



and assume he even lands a hit.........

Uh, huh. Nothing X can do to take him down. If Backlash can survive against Dragon and Helspont (high end TP), X won't have a chance.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Uh, huh. Nothing X can do to take him down. If Backlash can survive against Dragon and Helspont (high end TP), X won't have a chance.
How about stabbing him?



Yea wolverine survived the hulk 14 plus times, shown tp resistences to people like emma frost ect. yet still did shit when he fought mister x.


There zero reason to assume x powers won't work on back lash, when they worked on everyone elses and people with strong tp resistent feats.

Agree to disagree. Stabbing him? Bullets won't work, swords won't work, so, no.

And the psi whipps will take him down. If it can restrain Savage Dragon and Helspont, it will restrain/electrocute X.

also as someone already stated X fought namorita who stronger and more durable to savage dragon.

But not as formidable as Helspont. I'd like to see the Namorita pics.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Agree to disagree. Stabbing him? Bullets won't work, swords won't work, so, no.

And the psi whipps will take him down. If it can restrain Savage Dragon and Helspont, it will restrain/electrocute X.
bullets and swords arnt the same thing. Proof that swords can't put backlash down.





again he has to hit x with them. Which he won't becuase x willing literrally reflexively be racting to everyone of his moves, while also reading his mind.

you can't stab mist.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
you can't stab mist.
assuming he wil constantly being mist form is a stretch to say the least. just because you can turn into mist does not make you unhittable. He been hit numerous times. Also lets see some evidences that he actaully repeatedly uses mist form in combat. and I don't mean turning mist onces during a fight I mean many times.

When has he been hit in mist form?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When has he been hit in mist form?
no im sayign he been hit before, not during mist form. He can be hit, just becuase you can turn mist does not make you unhittable, becuase when you attack you need to turn solid again.

your tyring to equate turning into mist= unhittable but it does not, becuase you still need to turn solid to attack.


again prove that he constantly uses mist form in combat, I have a feeling he does not. He may turn mist once during combat, but I highly doubt he repeteatedly uses the ability while he fighting like say NC does with teleporting.

Sure, he's been hit numerous times by high end metas. Good thing he has a healing factor and enhanced durability. Cause he usually doesn't get ko'd easily.

Any Namorita scans?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Sure, he's been hit numerous times by high end metas. Good thing he has a healing factor and enhanced durability. Cause he usually doesn't get ko'd easily.

Any Namorita scans?
Like I thought, I took a gander through some of his feats, and some back round info. he does not constantly mist at all in combat like you trying to pretend he does. He uses it mostly single times and simply to ambush someone or to get into a place unseen. He certainly does not uses it in combat like NC teleports.

Does he have any feats of wistand stabs to vital parts of his body? I saw not such feats in my search.



you provide some evidence I be more then glad to, but you have yet to provide evidence I have asked for several times.

I never said he mist more than once in battle. I even said it only takes one strategy.

No Namorita pics?

And Psi whips ftw.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I never said he mist more than once in battle. I even said it only takes one strategy.

No Namorita pics?

And Psi whips ftw.
edit. How does misting once make him win?



I have them, just waiting on you to provide the evidences I asked for several times.



how does he hit X? Also how does he manage to hit X before X, stabbs the shit out of him?

Yes, he can mist in combat. Then use his other abilities to take him down. TP, psi whip, strength, etc... Not hard to understand.

Post the scans or get the hell out of here.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, he can mist in combat. Then use his other abilities to take him down. TP, psi whip, strength, etc... Not hard to understand.

Post the scans or get the hell out of here.
except your logic is stupid. So he mist, yea and then what? He has to turn solid again to attack, which means X will again simply automatically react to the attack and dodge it. Which si what you seem unable to grasp.

also prove he has range tp capable of putting x down, not to mention hitting x..........strength is useless if you can't hit your target.


I aske dyou to post scans several times and you have yet to do so. Now you want to try and pretend I the one not providign evidences? laughable at best.

your jsut mad becuase I calling you out on your bullshit

so nothing?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
so nothing?
Love how your tyring to turn it around, but the fact remains I aske dyou for evidences several times, you have none and now trying to play games to save face, your pathetic.

reason why backlash won't be touching x
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7458/thunderbolts132011.th.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1446/thunderbolts132012.th.jpg

oh and X displaying combat and reflex speed beyodn anything backlash has ever done
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/536/xfight4.th.jpg

I've seen those before. I'm talking about him going toe to toe with Namorita. If so, please post them.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I've seen those before. I'm talking about him going toe to toe with Namorita. If so, please post them.
not untill you provide evidence.


edit becuase it was to harsh.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan


edit becuase it was to harsh. lol

I asked about the Namorita stuff first.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I asked about the Namorita stuff first.
no you dident, i asked you several times for evidences, which you never rpovided and then you started asking for namorita scan which i told you several times I would not give you untill prove your points which you never seem to do.

No then?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
No then?
I have it, but why bother when you won't provide evidences your self?

Thunder bolts #139 fight takes place.

Here is some good ambient stuff.

His psi whips have been increased to destroy Batallions TK Shields.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash014Melmerev-DCP14.jpg


Goes into Mist form. Attacks from behind, then goes back into mist form again.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash22JHscanp20.jpg

Spider-Man has a hard time webbing him.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash_Spiderman_01_23.jpg

Owns Dane by misting back and forth through physical and mist.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash_04_22.jpg

Semi mist form and the psychic says that it's hard to harm him physical.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash09-12.jpg

Psi blasts Helspont and gives him some pain.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Backlash_08_17.jpg

point of these feats are? I get posting evidences which i am glad you did, but whats the point of them? you went to the respect thread and posted links, but what is your arguement?

You wanted scans of him misting in and out. he did that with dane. He can do it with X. He can also psi blast X as well.

NOW where are the Namorita pics?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
You wanted scans of him misting in and out. he did that with dane. He can do it with X. He can also psi blast X as well.

NOW where are the Namorita pics?
thank you I appreciate it, though all you did was take them from the respct thread, how did you get them to work for you? I tried to post them like 10 minutes ago but image shack was down due to maitiances.

Dane not as fast as x nor has powers similar to x.....in fact spiderman abilities are the most similar to X own. That does not bold well for backlash seeing as how he could not even dodge the webbing.......let a lone melee confrontation.....



I posted the issue already for you took look up. I can even find you a link to the entire issue, or you can wait untill thursdayish for me to get home to a scanner. I have it on my computer down loaded, but it won't let me post it. I don't understand how this dam comicreadpro works.

Dane has enhanced speed, durability, and strength. Not to mention tp abilities. So, no.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Dane has enhanced speed, durability, and strength. Not to mention tp abilities. So, no.
not sure what durbaility or strength has to do anything with speed, but thanks for the useless knowledge.


His TP works nothing similar to X's own so it completely irrelevent, nor do i even recall him even utilizing telepath to any real extent or at all.



also dane feats arnt nearly as impressive as X speed feats so it very much yes.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

oh and X displaying combat and reflex speed beyodn anything backlash has ever done
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/536/xfight4.th.jpg
again niether dane or backlash have a feat comparable to this.

the symbiote gives all of them enhanced stats. I never said that strength or durability has anything to do with speed.

Doesn't matter, Backlash has enhanced speed to dodge lasers, bullets, energy projectile, etc...

Agree to disagree, we're just going around in circles/

Originally posted by Prep-Man


Doesn't matter, Backlash has enhanced speed to dodge lasers, bullets, energy projectile, etc...

Agree to disagree, we're just going around in circles/
none of which are remotely as impressive as X own feats. So backlash can have all the suposed enhanced speed he wants, don't mena shit since he still slower then x.





k

Agree to disagree.

Wow. I did not expect you all to jump 3 pages. lol