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Superman (Kal-El) vs Thor (Odinson)

Categories-

-Strength

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir )

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir)

-Blasting Power

-Raw Speed

-Combat Speed

-Durability

-Damage Soak

-Combat Smarts

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement

Who wins??

Categories-

-Strength. Equal

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir ). Thor

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir) equal

-Blasting Power. Thor

-Raw Speed. Superman

-Combat Speed. Superman

-Durability. Equal

-Damage Soak. Thor

-Combat Smarts. Superman

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement. Both

Strength - Wash most of the time. Superman if I had to pick, not counting shit like Warrior Madness.

Striking Power (With Mjolnir) - Edge to Thor.

Striking Power (Without Mjolnir) - See strength.

Blasting Power - Thor.

Raw Speed - Superman.

Combat Speed - Superman.

Durability - Superman should be more invulnerable even today but other than that, wash.

Damage Soak - Wash or edge to Thor.

Combat Smarts - Superman I guess.

Greats Hyperbolic Statement - Probably Superman after Final Crisis.

Isn't a feat war usually people posting scans and toppoing each other non stop?

That's what I got from it but people changed the concept so I'm just going along with it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Isn't a feat war usually people posting scans and toppoing each other non stop? posting scans is a dying art, guy is trying his best to balance it though

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Isn't a feat war usually people posting scans and toppoing each other non stop? Originally posted by psycho gundam
posting scans is a dying art, guy is trying his best to balance it though

Not anymore apparently.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Isn't a feat war usually people posting scans and toppoing each other non stop?

I've just been doing a tale of the tape with these threads. As for scans, what is the point? Does it look like any of the Marvel internet warriors around here are going to change their tune?

No but I have seen many of these "feat war" threads and almost no scans at all, feat wars are or can be misleading anyways, if a character has like 2000+ comics of course he will have more good feats than someone with like 100 but that doesn't automatically mean he is better if you take a look at their entire history and high/low showing ratio.

Pointless thread...

-Strength: Generally a wash, but if someone holds the edge, it's Superman. It's by no means overwhelming, though.

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir ): Thor

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir): Superman

-Blasting Power: Thor

-Raw Speed: Superman

-Combat Speed: Superman

-Durability: Superman

-Damage Soak: Thor

-Combat Smarts: Superman

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement: Superman

Who wins??: Generally a split depending on how they fight.

I'm actually not even sure of what Superman's best strength feat would be. in quantifiable terms anyway.

Superman (Kal-El) vs Thor (Odinson)

Categories-

-Strength-Superman

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir )-Edge To Thor

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir )-Superman

-Blasting Power-Thor

-Raw Speed-Superman

-Combat Speed-Superman

-Durability-Superman

-Damage Soak-Edge To Superman

-Combat Smarts-Superman

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement-Superman Is foever gonna be on the top.

Who wins?? Superman

Fts would be amazing instead of people blirting things out.

Superman (Kal-El) vs Thor (Odinson)

Categories-

-Strength - Superman

-Striking Power (with Mjolnir ) - Thor

-Striking Power (without Mjolnir) - Superman

-Blasting Power - Thor

-Raw Speed - Superman

-Combat Speed - Superman

-Durability - Equal

-Damage Soak - Thor

-Combat Smarts - Superman

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement - Superman

Who wins?? - Very close fight but Superman should edge it.

Originally posted by carver9
Fts would be amazing instead of people blirting things out.

Superman/Thor has really been done to death, though, anyway.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman/Thor has really been done to death, though, anyway.

I know and the FTs both have are about equal.

Originally posted by The Sorrow Superman (Kal-El) vs Thor (Odinson) Categories- -Strength - Superman -Striking Power (with Mjolnir ) - Thor -Striking Power (without Mjolnir) - Superman -Blasting Power - Thor -Raw Speed - Superman -Combat Speed - Superman -Durability - Equal -Damage Soak - Thor -Combat Smarts - Superman -Greats Hyperbolic Statement - Superman Who wins?? - Very close fight but Superman should edge it.

this.

What are Thors best damage soak feats ?

In a real feat war (Which this thread really isn't), Thor craps all over Superman.

Originally posted by paisapower
What are Thors best damage soak feats ?

Enduring a barrage of Celestial blasts, enduring blasts from a crazed and bloodlusted Odin, etc.

Originally posted by cdtm
In a real feat war (Which this thread really isn't), Thor craps all over Superman.

This.

Somebody hasn't seen all the ridiculous shit Superman has done.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Somebody hasn't seen all the ridiculous shit Superman has done.

No, Superman has impressive feats.

But when it comes to sheer wtf power feats, Supes is < the likes of Thor (And Mjolnir) and Silver Surfer.

Thor has some stuff that's better than, say, Lightray crapping out suns while running from Black Racer, which is an insanely impressive feat in and of itself..

Originally posted by cdtm
No, Superman has impressive feats.

But when it comes to sheer wtf power feats, Supes is < Thor (And Mjolnir) and Silver Surfer.

Disagree, tbh.

In terms of power feats ala energy projection, I'd side with Thor.

If you mean power in the general sense, it's pretty even, imo.

superman singing pissed me off more than anything thor has ever done, even with rune magic backing him or during the reigning.

superman wins

Originally posted by paisapower
What are Thors best damage soak feats ?

Thor also was able to stand or stay in some star for quite some time without feeling any pain and in a sun when he fought hyperion etc..but yeah im not sure if it will be considered a damage soak feat ...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman singing pissed me off more than anything thor has ever done, even with rune magic backing him or during the reigning.

superman wins

A Superman history show on either Discovery or the History Channel had a clip from an old show with some guy dressed in a Superman costume singing and dancing while beating people up.. It was right up there with Adam West Batman in camp. Maybe even more campy, if that's possible..

I can't seem to find it on Youtube though.

Originally posted by cdtm
In a real feat war (Which this thread really isn't), Thor craps all over Superman.
Not surprising since you like to think that superman is still stuck in Byrne era.

I personally wouldn't necessarily jump at the opportunity of going into a feat war with superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In terms of power feats ala energy projection, I'd side with Thor.

If you mean power in the general sense, it's pretty even, imo.
This, with superman having an edge in strength. This match is as even as you can get.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not surprising since you like to think that superman is still stuck in Byrne era.

Byrne Era Superman only held his own with Pocket Universe Kryptonians designed to be at Pre Crisis power levels, survived a moon exploding, and sat in the middle of a collapsing Sun Eater.

What a weakling.

But no, I probably own more Superman comics than you have scans on your hard drive. I've seen his best feats from all eras, including Ending Battle, Imperiex Saga, Death of the New Gods.

He has his share of impressive feats, but I'm man enough to admit he's not unbeatable. There's plenty of characters who beat him in feats, and who can beat him in a straight fight. Try taking off the rose colored glasses, and you'll see that for yourself.

Originally posted by cdtm
Byrne Era Superman only held his own with Pocket Universe Kryptonians designed to be at Pre Crisis power levels, survived a moon exploding, and sat in the middle of a collapsing Sun Eater.

What a weakling.

But no, I probably own more Superman comics than you have scans on your hard drive. I've seen his best feats from all eras, including Ending Battle, Imperiex Saga, Death of the New Gods.

He has his share of impressive feats, but I'm man enough to admit he's not unbeatable. There's plenty of characters who beat him in feats, and who can beat him in a straight fight. Try taking off the rose colored glasses, and you'll see that for yourself.
So, despite all of those feats you think thor "craps" all over him. I never said he was unbeatable, I just give him credit due to his feats unlike some people who think that anytime he does something impressive "it's all PIS, he can't beat lobo/gl/orion/darkseid/blah blah blah".
P.S. Bryne also made WW equal to superman in strength, and get bloody by pounding on a wall by lobo.

The Lobo pounding was actually Jurgens.

And Byrne also had Superman punk Darkseid for the first time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In terms of power feats ala energy projection, I'd side with Thor.

If you mean power in the general sense, it's pretty even, imo.

This. Thor's got the more powerful energy projection. Supes is faster. In an all out fight its Clash of the Titans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This, with superman having an edge in strength. This match is as even as you can get.

Iv never really seen a difference in strength to be honest. But still I have no problem giving Supes the edge in that department.

-Strength-Superman

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir )-Equal

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir)-Superman

-Blasting Power-Thor

-Raw Speed-Superman

-Combat Speed-Superman

-Durability-Equal

-Damage Soak-Equal

-Combat Smarts-Superman

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement-Equal

Who wins?? Superman

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Enduring a barrage of Celestial blasts, enduring blasts from a crazed and bloodlusted Odin, etc. [/QUOTE

So would these examples of yours fall under damage soak or durability ?

Originally posted by paisapower
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Enduring a barrage of Celestial blasts, enduring blasts from a crazed and bloodlusted Odin, etc.

Damage soak, imo. He didn't no sell the blasts from the Celestials, he definitely felt them.

Completely unhurt by a point blank energy blast from Surfer:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsSilverSurfer19MightyThor5.jpg

Damage soak or durability? Both?

I'd say that's durability. At least, the way I use the terms, I wind up using durability to classify how well a character can just outright endure an attack with out visible signs of damage or discomfort.

I can definitely see how others would have their own definitions of the terms, though.

Superman is the end-all/be-all hero in dc...thor isn't in marvel. superman is superior.

he's far smarter
far faster
stronger
more durable
more versatile

Originally posted by Starscream M
...more versatile

Ignoring the rest of your points, do you really think that?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ignoring the rest of your points, do you really think that? yes,

he has demonstrated highlevel telepathy (TVO)

he has used his voice to break through space

he has used his speed to do a buncha stuff

etc etc

thor is basically an energy battery and generator

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes,

he has demonstrated highlevel telepathy (TVO)

he has used his voice to break through space

he has used his speed to do a buncha stuff

etc etc

thor is basically an energy battery and generator



You can't be serious.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank


You can't be serious. which part? you have to clarify

Originally posted by Starscream M
which part? you have to clarify

The idea that you think Superman is more versatile than Thor and that Thor is "basically an energy battery and generator".

Originally posted by Starscream M
yes,

he has demonstrated highlevel telepathy (TVO)

he has used his voice to break through space

he has used his speed to do a buncha stuff

etc etc

thor is basically an energy battery and generator

you seem to know less about superman than you do about thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you seem to know less about superman than you do about thor. why do you say that?

Superman has at least done the things he said... That's half the battle. kinda

Originally posted by Starscream M
why do you say that?

By saying thor is less versatile. Superman is versatile for his powerset and his tier, but compared to Thor, no.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Completely unhurt by a point blank energy blast from Surfer:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsSilverSurfer19MightyThor5.jpg

Damage soak or durability? Both?

imo, a little of both, with Surfer holding back too.

I stand by Thor having more impressive energy projection, versatility, and perhaps even blunt force feats with his hammer. If there's a character Superman can't beat down, I'd bet money that Thor can defeat such a character.

But Superman probably has overall more consistently impressive durability. Supermans the poster child of invincibility for a reason.

Originally posted by -Pr-
By saying thor is less versatile. Superman is versatile for his powerset and his tier, but compared to Thor, no. no i disagree

thor may have a more versatile powerset on paper, but superman has demonstrated more versatility when the need arises

Originally posted by Starscream M
no i disagree

thor may have a more versatile powerset on paper, but superman has demonstrated more versatility when the need arises

That really doesn't make sense.

Thor used his versatility when the need called for it, otherwise he simply wouldn't have displayed those abilities. When the need called for it, he absorbed the energy of Kang effortlessly and sent it back at him. When the need called for it, he summoned rain capable of halting the Hulk. When the need called for it, he stopped the Null Bomb from destroying a galaxy. Etc, etc, etc. Clark is more creative in battle consistently, but he's not more versatile than Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
no i disagree

thor may have a more versatile powerset on paper, but superman has demonstrated more versatility when the need arises

Then you'd honestly be wrong. Also:

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That really doesn't make sense.

Thor used his versatility when the need called for it, otherwise he simply wouldn't have displayed those abilities. When the need called for it, he absorbed the energy of Kang effortlessly and sent it back at him. When the need called for it, he summoned rain capable of halting the Hulk. When the need called for it, he stopped the Null Bomb from destroying a galaxy. Etc, etc, etc. Clark is more creative in battle consistently, but he's not more versatile than Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Then you'd honestly be wrong. oh really, has thor ever cracked a space barrier with his voice or demonstrated highlevel telepathy?

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh really, has thor ever cracked a space barrier with his voice or demonstrated highlevel telepathy?

T-VO doesn't exist anymore, and it wasn't technically telepathy to begin with.

Thor has more feats Superman can't replicate than vice versa.

Superman is more versatile than Thor in a fight. Thor is only more versatile if they decided to stand around and talk bullshits.

Actually, scratch that Thor is just a brick with weather powers...Thor's skyfather crutch is more versatile than Superman.

Basically, Thor typically tackles threats with brute force and hammer swings, throws, and the occasional storm summoning. Generally speaking, that's more than enough to stop the average threat he comes across. When dealing with foes or disasters who require more than that, he uses his other abilities when he needs to. People think his pride is like some crippling Achilles heel and Thor outright refuses to call upon his vast power, but comics don't support that. He prefers a straight up physical battle while holding back a vast level of power, true, but when push comes to shove, Thor pulls shit out of his ass as need be. It's not CIS, PIS, or jobbing, or whatever excuse people want to cite it as. It's just reality. Feats support this, but people are intent to ignore or twist them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Basically, Thor typically tackles threats with brute force and hammer swings, throws, and the occasional storm summoning. Generally speaking, that's more than enough to stop the average threat he comes across. When dealing with foes or disasters who require more than that, he uses his other abilities when he needs to. People think his pride is like some crippling Achilles heel and Thor outright refuses to call upon his vast power, but comics don't support that. He prefers a straight up physical battle while holding back a vast level of power, true, but when push comes to shove, Thor pulls shit out of his ass as need be. It's not CIS, PIS, or jobbing, or whatever excuse people want to cite it as. It's just reality. Feats support this, but people are intent to ignore or twist them.

Like Superman's speed, etc.

Originally posted by Starscream M
oh really, has thor ever cracked a space barrier with his voice or demonstrated highlevel telepathy?

Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?

WTF, man.

Thor digs into his powers when there's a good need for it.

Which usually isn't your average brawl with Hulk or Herc. When he used that rain against Hulk, he acted like he regretted it later...

Starscream....I think you should let this one go.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?

WTF, man.

I lol'd at "indestructible whirlwinds"

Originally posted by Damborgson
Starscream....I think you should let this one go. ok. my whole point was that superman's versatility gets underrated.

Originally posted by dmills
I lol'd at "indestructible whirlwinds"

Hulk couldn't punch through them. Which considering the bullshit he has punched through, is saying a lot.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok. my whole point was that superman's versatility gets underrated.

That wasn't your point and you know it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok. my whole point was that superman's versatility gets underrated.

Who was underrating it in this thread?

All I will say is that Superman's damage soak/durability is > Thor's:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6671/16ie5.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/523/17ni7.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5113/18eh0.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3681/19ot8.jpg

Superman tanked multiple blasts of red sun radiation from a sun eater, flew into its red sun core to deploy the entropy bomb, and despite the radiation constantly weakening him, he still tanked the subsequent detonation- of which was 50x stronger than a supernova.

Insane.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk couldn't punch through them. Which considering the bullshit he has punched through, is saying a lot.

I know that he's trapped people in them or what not, I just thought that the phrasing was funny

Originally posted by Galan007
All I will say is that Superman's damage soak/durability is > Thor's:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6671/16ie5.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/523/17ni7.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5113/18eh0.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3681/19ot8.jpg

Superman tanked multiple blasts of red sun radiation from a sun eater, flew into its red sun core to deploy the entropy bomb, and despite the radiation constantly weakening him, he still tanked the subsequent detonation- of which was 50x stronger than a supernova.

Insane.

I'd generally agree.

I regret reading the last two pages of this thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
All I will say is that Superman's damage soak/durability is > Thor's:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6671/16ie5.jpg
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/523/17ni7.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5113/18eh0.jpg
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3681/19ot8.jpg

Superman tanked multiple blasts of red sun radiation from a sun eater, flew into its red sun core to deploy the entropy bomb, and despite the radiation constantly weakening him, he still tanked the subsequent detonation- of which was 50x stronger than a supernova.

Insane.

He didn't tank the blast because it didn't hit him. The scan states he was hit by the "electomagnetic shockwaves". Completely different than what you are saying. Then he outpaced the blast afterwards.

Read the scan...its all there. Great showing for him though...fighting through that redsunlight radiation. I don't think Thor can top that one.

Superman didn't tank that Sun Eater explosion. He wasn't even directly hit by the electromagnetic shockwave. That being said, tanking those Red Solar energy blasts as he did is pretty impressive.

Thor doesn't have any feats exactly of that nature (He doesn't posses any real weakness like that) but something like tanking a blast that contained the totality of Glory's power is something I find as impressive:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory8.jpg

Superman should be more invulnerable than Thor (The gap is closer than ever nowadays from what I've seen) but the Odinson is one of the few characters that can tank an energy blast or a punch as well as Clark.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't tank that Sun Eater explosion. He wasn't even directly hit by the electromagnetic shockwave. That being said, tanking those Red Solar energy blasts as he did is pretty impressive.

Thor doesn't have any feats exactly of that nature (He doesn't posses any real weakness like that) but something like tanking a blast that contained the totality of Glory's power is something I find as impressive:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory8.jpg

Superman should be more invulnerable than Thor (The gap is closer than ever nowadays from what I've seen) but the Odinson is one of the few characters that can tank an energy blast or a punch as well as Clark.

Yeah, I forgot about that. Niiiice ft. Does Superman have fts like this...tanking attacks from skyfather+ beings?

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I forgot about that. Niiiice ft. Does Superman have fts like this...tanking attacks from skyfather+ beings?

The fact that you asked something like that...

Originally posted by -Pr-
The fact that you asked something like that...

Lol...I believe it exist. I would like to see it though.

He took a blast from Impiriex that turned Doomsday to a skeleton. He wasn't conscious still impressive.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Completely unhurt by a point blank energy blast from Surfer:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsSilverSurfer19MightyThor5.jpg

Damage soak or durability? Both?

Didn't Superman pull off the same feat on a bloodlusted/crazed Kyle?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I believe it exist. I would like to see it though.

Except that you've been shown all this before.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman (Kal-El) vs Thor (Odinson)

Categories-

-Strength

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir )

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir)

-Blasting Power

-Raw Speed

-Combat Speed

-Durability

-Damage Soak

-Combat Smarts

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement

Who wins?? -Strength------Superman

-Striking Power( with Mjolnir )----------Thor

-Striking Power(without Mjolnir)--------Superman

-Blasting Power-------Thor

-Raw Speed-------Superman

-Combat Speed------Superman

-Durability------Superman

-Damage Soak------Thor

-Combat Smarts------Thor

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement--------Toss up.

I think Thor wins the majority.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He took a blast from Impiriex that turned Doomsday to a skeleton. He wasn't conscious still impressive.

He would have died if Darkseid didn't save him. I'm talking about similar fts like Thor has done.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Completely unhurt by a point blank energy blast from Surfer:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsSilverSurfer19MightyThor5.jpg

Damage soak or durability? Both?
Found it.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2024/act784pg17.th.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6186/act784pg18.th.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"
Found it.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2024/act784pg17.th.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6186/act784pg18.th.jpg

Was this under Morrison?

I thought it was pretty impressive when he tanked a nuke, while immersed in energy leeching sand covered in Green K. So that's both green K and red solar radiation he's tanked stuff under. His weaknesses aren't what they used to be.

He took a collapsing sun eater on himself, survived crushed by a quantum zealot, survived source wall getting destroyed, has gone through nearly every villain on earth and took a nuke point blank standing in kryptonite sand. He has been thrown in a red sun twice, has his heart punched out by Emperor joker, shrugged off omega beams and astro force, took everything Hal could throw at him without a scratch, walked through a massively amped Kyle construct's blast. There's not much that superman hasn't tanked, he has taken magical blasts from Blaze, shazam, mordru, circe, Disciple. He has taken punches from Time trapper SBP, PC superboy, Three PC kryptonians, multiple of Gogs, amped Infinity man etc. His durability and damage soak are insane.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He took a collapsing sun eater on himself, survived crushed by a quantum zealot, survived source wall getting destroyed, has gone through nearly every villain on earth and took a nuke point blank standing in kryptonite sand. He has been thrown in a red sun twice, has his heart punched out by Emperor joker, shrugged off omega beams and astro force, took everything Hal could throw at him without a scratch, walked through a massively amped Kyle construct's blast. There's not much that superman hasn't tanked, he has taken magical blasts from Blaze, shazam, mordru, circe, Disciple. He has taken punches from Time trapper SBP, PC superboy, Three PC kryptonians, multiple of Gogs, amped Infinity man etc. His durability and damage soak are insane. When did he take blasts straight up without aid from Mordru ?

^In LO3W IIRC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did he take blasts straight up without aid from Mordru ?

Never.

That was Superboy Prime.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^In LO3W IIRC. He was aided. That's leaving out context and since I am unfamiliar with the rest at a cursory glance I don't trust you.Originally posted by cdtm
Never.

That was Superboy Prime. He did indeed blast Superman but he had help. Prime laughed them off without need of aid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was aided. That's leaving out context and since I am unfamiliar with the rest at a cursory glance I don't trust you. He did indeed blast Superman but he had help. Prime laughed them off without need of aid.

Some of the fts he named...he took a lot of it out of context.

Originally posted by carver9
Some of the fts he named...he took a lot of it out of context. I already figured he probably did just can't prove it. If he presses with losh I will redownload it. I lost all my comics so I don't have this series at my beck and call like I used to months ago.

Originally posted by carver9
Some of the fts he named...he took a lot of it out of context.

pot, kettle?

Originally posted by -Pr-
pot, kettle?

Oh my bad, he was aided by Kinetix or something like that.

Originally posted by carver9
He would have died if Darkseid didn't save him. I'm talking about similar fts like Thor has done.

He did tank a portion of the blast, though.

Originally posted by carver9
Some of the fts he named...he took a lot of it out of context.
The only thing iffy there was mordru incident. Pray tell me carver all the context I left.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was aided. That's leaving out context and since I am unfamiliar with the rest at a cursory glance I don't trust you. He did indeed blast Superman but he had help. Prime laughed them off without need of aid.

Lets go through his list and see what I can remember:



It happened during the Time and Time Again storyline, where he was infused with some kind of chronal energy, and bounced through time by being at the center of explosions. Even relatively small scale explosions would send him through time, so it could be argued he only endured a fraction of the full power of a Sun Eater collapsing, although personally I think it's still an impressive feat.



The wall was destroyed when during the fight between Infinity Man and ALE Mr. Miracle, while Supes was contained in an energy barrier. Not a straight durability feat at all.



It wasn't a pile of Green K sand like he's making it sound, only sand laced with Green K. Energy leeching sand, though, set up by the Master Jailor, so it's a legit feat.



He's probably talking about when Earth 2 Supes and himself tackled Superboy Prime through a red sun in Infinite Crisis. I suspect the other time he's talking about is the pre Death of Superman story where Eradicator, as an energy being, was turning Earths sun red. Supes was only on the very outer corona of the sun, and it messed him up pretty badly.. The best you can say about it is he survived, but only just.



Supes was also bigger than the sun, and Joker was wrecking havok with the laws of physics (He removed the color "white" from existence, for one.) And Superman also died as a movie character, and "Earth Born Angel" Supergirl survived some lethal attacks in a cartoonish fashion..... Basically, anything that happened in that arc was suspect, given the nature of Jokers powers and how he was playing with reality at whim.,



He usually runs like hell from Omegas, and Orion nearly killed him with Astro Force bubbles, and knocked him out in another example. And he wouldn't try killing Superman anyways.



I haven't read their post reboot fight yet, but in Superman/Batman he was struggling against Hal.



Scans were recently posted of this. You can judge for yourself.



Eh. The wizard Shazam was trying to exorcise Eclipso from him, The PC Kryptonians are really the Pocket Universe Kryptonians with little proof they're even at true PC power levels, Superboy Prime is Superboy Prime (Meaning whether you consider Superman taking his attacks PIS or legit depends on whether you think SBP is all that), the multiple Gogs certainly weren't anywhere near the power level of Gog from "The Kingdom", the amped Infinity Man clearly wasn't trying to kill him and easily restrained him when he realized Supes couldn't be reasoned with....

There's some good feats in there, and quite a bit of hyperbole and trumping up of feats imo..

Superman didn't tank attacks from Prime either. Prime was damaging him pretty bad and a dose of heat vision ripped through Superman hand as if it wad being shot through water.

Good post cdtm.

Kryptonian heat vision goes through other Kryptonians all the time. It's not some kind of low showing.

I personally do think Prime is overrated in the sense that people think he's a legit "PC level Kryptonian" (which in of itself is a loaded term as PC levels don't automatically mean incredibly absurd power levels) and far and away beyond Superman. Generally, sure, I'd give Prime an edge due to his no holding back, but hell, I really don't think any of his power displays as being out of Kal's league - minus his showings to Kryptonite and magic.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Kryptonian heat vision goes through other Kryptonians all the time. It's not some kind of low showing.

Agreed. But only when the Kryptonian is not holding back (like Zod for instance). Superman holds back (to not kill) as to why we hardly ever see his HV penetrate other beings.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I personally do think Prime is overrated in the sense that people think he's a legit "PC level Kryptonian" (which in of itself is a loaded term as PC levels don't automatically mean incredibly absurd power levels) and far and away beyond Superman. Generally, sure, I'd give Prime an edge due to his no holding back, but hell, I really don't think any of his power displays as being out of Kal's league - minus his showings to Kryptonite and magic.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by h1a8
Agreed. But only when the Kryptonian is not holding back (like Zod for instance). Superman holds back (to not kill) as to why we hardly ever see his HV penetrate other beings.

Aye, and even then we've seen it go through someone like Despero, for example.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?

WTF, man.

You forgot manipulating magnetic fields and even gravity

But yeah Superman's still more versatile because of his speed

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman didn't tank that Sun Eater explosion. He wasn't even directly hit by the electromagnetic shockwave. That being said, tanking those Red Solar energy blasts as he did is pretty impressive.

Thor doesn't have any feats exactly of that nature (He doesn't posses any real weakness like that) but something like tanking a blast that contained the totality of Glory's power is something I find as impressive:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory7.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/ThorvsGlory8.jpg

Superman should be more invulnerable than Thor (The gap is closer than ever nowadays from what I've seen) but the Odinson is one of the few characters that can tank an energy blast or a punch as well as Clark.

With the whole Durability thing, I think Thor can handle energy attacks better with the aid of Mjolnir.. And redirect them much better.. Without Mjolnir Id give it to Supes..

Thats just energy based attacks Im talking about though.

And I agree its hard to compare durability feats when bringing up Superman tanking red sun radiation and/or kryptonite attacks.

Originally posted by "Id"
Didn't Superman pull off the same feat on a bloodlusted/crazed Kyle?
Originally posted by "Id"
Found it.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2024/act784pg17.th.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6186/act784pg18.th.jpg

Impressive, although I wasn't questioning Superman's durability, but Jake's stance.

For the record, Thor has shrugged off Surfer's attacks before:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer9.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer10.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer13.jpg

In their original fight, Surfer was greatly amped by Loki and it still took 5 blasts to just momentarily down Thor:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight3.jpg

It was revealed that Thor was just holding back when Sif was in danger and he was fine:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight5.jpg

It should be noted, Loki was trying to kill Thor by influencing Surfer's hands.

Thor's worst showing against Surfer is still a great showing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Lets go through his list and see what I can remember:

I don't trust your memory. You always try to downplay superman against any DC guy.





"Impressive" is an understatement. His body was still in flames and his cape was torn although he was wearing a spacesuit.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/adventuresofsuperman477fe6.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/adventuresofsuperman477mg7.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/actioncomics664p01as4.jpg





Oh really

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DOTNG7p21-22.jpg

"Source did not protect you from it like me and scott." Next time read something before commenting on it, please.





You just forget to add that he was fighting for days non-stop with nearly every super-villain on earth and before that took on Bizzaro, Mongul, Silver Banshee simultaneously.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supesnuke.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supesnuke2.jpg





Really, it was pounding from eradicator which messed him so badly not his trip to the sun

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5688/supermanv2057p36ig3.th.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/117/supermanv2057p37zd9.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/72/adventuresofsuperman480fu8.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6844/adventuresofsuperman480yz9.jpg

Considering that he was nearly killed by a yellow sun recently in Superman:exile, it's a hell of a feat. The feat with SBP was even more insane because they went through the krypton's asteroid belt which was abundant with kryptonite and crashed on Mogo from orbit.




Pure speculation, Joker himself was surprised how he was alive
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/actioncomics770p28.jpg

Give some scan to validate your theory, being big or how some other character survived doesn't invalidate that he was alive even though his heart was torn asunder from his chest. He was also cut to pieces in JLA 77 and was still alive.





He has walked through omegas in countdown and has tanked astro force three times, King of the world, DONG where orion said he wouldn't rest untill superman is killed and here
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/MartianManhunterv209-06.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ManOfTomorrow13b.jpg

Earlier Malefic nearly killed Barda in guise of superman and taunted
orion. The only time Orion koed superman was a weaker superman and even then it was a surprise shot
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supes-orion01.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/supes-orion02.jpg

"He has surprised me twice". I don't think we can take in account Orion's boasting that he could kill Kal with astro force if he didn' restrained himself. It's just a boasting, nothing more nothing less.



Considering he was just attacked by Titano's kryptonite rays and Hal sucker shotted him and he was just trying to calm him and Hal was bloodlusted, he didn't struggle at all. He just took everything and didn't have a scratch on him.





Yes where Batman said that the construct could stop earth with a thought and was after Heaven's ladder and how the construct's disbelief was pretty evident after he failed to even stop superman, you can judge yourself.





So shazam was exorcising him with sprinkles, wasn't he? Billy said he would kill superman. Anyway shazam is a legitimate skyfather and superman tanked several of his lightning attacks after tanking two shazam bolts from Captain marvel himself. Why didn't you nitpick on Blaze, Disciple or Circe? Don't try to be ignorant, pocket dimension superboy was created because Byrne ****ed up with Legion history which was not touched in COIE. He went with every adventure which PC superboy went with legion. He even breached The Iron Curtain of time by Time trapper which not even PC superman could. There is no proof whatsoever that he wasn't with power of PC superboy. Superman doesn't have a single full fight with SBP. He took his punches in SCW, LO3W and when he was Time trapper and was not koed a single time. Considering a single Gog was enough to give superman trouble and at the time superman was aging rapidly, losing power and having a heart-attack it's a damn good feat.

Really

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07b.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07c.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07d.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/DeathOfTheNewGods07e.jpg

Superman was physically beating him and It doesn't matter anyway because even classic Infinity man was stronger than Orion
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/im_powerstrength1.jpg



There is nothing hyperbolic here, everything I says is backed by scans or Issue numbers. Stop downplaying him, there are already many who downplays him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Superman ever manipulated the weather on a global scale and summoned forth the power of hundreds of worlds worth of storms? Or absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy? Or generated anti-matter? Or teleported to other realms and dimensions under his own power? Or created indestructible whirlwinds? Or manipulated matter?

WTF, man.
Actually Jake, superman has created lightning storms against Livewire by his freeze breath, absorbed anti-sun which could wipe half the galaxy, vibrated to transport a planet to another dimension, sang and erased darkseid, has used IMPs, tuned his HV to affect shadow beings of Qward, has turned intangible or invisible, he has created tornadoes strong enough to make captain atom, john stewart and power girl helpless, has used astral projections (not t-vo) among other things. I know Thor is more versatile but superman is not out of tricks.

innuendur

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually Jake, superman has created lightning storms against Livewire by his freeze breath, absorbed anti-sun which could wipe half the galaxy, vibrated to transport a planet to another dimension, sang and erased darkseid, has used IMPs, tuned his HV to affect shadow beings of Qward, has turned intangible or invisible, he has created tornadoes strong enough to make captain atom, john stewart and power girl helpless, has used astral projections (not t-vo) among other things. I know Thor is more versatile but superman is not out of tricks.

u are misrepresenting the anti-sun Galaxy feat. Superman did not absorb the energy needed to wipe out half a galaxy, he interrupted and absorbed the detonation sequence and the energy that was required to set off such a feat iirc.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/61051/1743519-supesgeddon30nr_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37815/775790-supesgeddon48fq_super.jpg

If Superman could absorb such power he wouldnt need to sit inside a sun for a sundip like he has in the past.

Originally posted by Wanger Thunder
Stupid thread............ Esoteric powers depend on the plot and writer. If a writer wanted T-vo used it would be used. Most don't we'll leave that sort of shit to Thor and the Surfer. can u pls explain what T-VO is?

-Strength: edge to Superman
-Striking Power (with Mjolnir): definitely Thor (or should be, IMO).
-Striking Power (without Mjolnir): edge to Superman
-Blasting Power: Thor
-Raw Speed: Superman
-Combat Speed: Superman
-Durability: Superman
-Damage Soak: Thor
-Combat Smarts: Superman
-Great Hyperbolic Statements: I'm inclined toward Thor because of his "Old English" way of speaking. It just kind of invites hyperbole.

In my opinion, this list favors Superman because it leaves out abilities Thor can do well, eg, energy manip.

Originally posted by Mindship
-Strength: edge to Superman
-Striking Power (with Mjolnir): definitely Thor (or should be, IMO).
-Striking Power (without Mjolnir): edge to Superman
-Blasting Power: Thor
-Raw Speed: Superman
-Combat Speed: Superman
-Durability: Superman
-Damage Soak: Thor
-Combat Smarts: Superman
-Great Hyperbolic Statements: I'm inclined toward Thor because of his "Old English" way of speaking. It just kind of invites hyperbole.

In my opinion, this list favors Superman because it leaves out abilities Thor can do well, eg, energy manip.

i agree with all of this except damage soak which i would call a draw or give supe's a slight edge in..... oh and hyperbolic statements--no one matches superman in this regard. maybe you misunderstood the category? i'm pretty sure it refers to statements made by OTHERS (or narration) ABOUT the character in question.

Weakened Supes tanks a explosion so powerful its felt half a continent away

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5429/ccf1226201000003.th.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8081/ccf1226201000004.th.jpg

Originally posted by Nietzschean

If Superman could absorb such power he wouldnt need to sit inside a sun for a sundip like he has in the past. ?

"i agree with all of this except damage soak which i would call a draw or give supe's a slight edge in..... oh and hyperbolic statements--no one matches superman in this regard. maybe you misunderstood the category? i'm pretty sure it refers to statements made by OTHERS (or narration) ABOUT the character in question."
-- leonidas

(I'm on a crappy work computer which doesn't display the quote function, so I have to do it this way).

Regarding the damage soak: my impression is that Superman is actually harder to hurt than Thor. But once either is hurt, I think Thor is harder to fully shut down, so to speak. But this is just an impression.

Regarding the hyperbole: I stand corrected, in which case, yeah, Supes takes it, cuz he's the Damn Icon of the genre.

Originally posted by Mindship


Regarding the damage soak: my impression is that Superman is actually harder to hurt than Thor. But once either is hurt, I think Thor is harder to fully shut down, so to speak. But this is just an impression.

Regarding the hyperbole: I stand corrected, in which case, yeah, Supes takes it, cuz he's the Damn Icon of the genre.

What you're saying is this:

Invulnerability: Supes > Thor

Damage Soak: Thor > Supes

Most people agree.

I'd say Superman in general is just so unused to actually being seriously hurt that it's more of a shock to him than it would be to someone like Thor. I mean, he gets knocked around, breaks the odd bone, but he's only gone through the most life threatening stuff on rare occasions.

That said, when he has, he's done admirably, like the heart-attack incident.

Speaking of versatility, has thor ever "cauterized" a hole in space-time or "rubbed his hands together" to produce static electricity and closed a hole in space-time?shifty

Originally posted by abhilegend
Speaking of versatility, has thor ever "cauterized" a hole in space-time or "rubbed his hands together" to produce static electricity and closed a hole in space-time?shifty

^ Everytime he opens a portal it is a door through space time. And producing electricity is Thor's game..

Supes versatility is basically different ways he can apply his primary powers of strength, speed, heat vision and freeze breath..

Whilst Thor's versatility list ARE his primary powers.

You wnt win the versatility argument abhilegend

^Who says I'm trying to win versatility game? I was just asking has thor done anything like that. Many character can open wormholes or dimensional doorways, not many can close a pre-existing one. Again just because he can produce electricity doesn't mean he can do it. I'm just having some fun.

Thor super breath
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd89/ils411/for%20sale/superbreathJourney_in_to_mystery086-09.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok. my whole point was that superman's versatility gets underrated.

Really?

Originally posted by Starscream M
Superman is the end-all/be-all hero in dc...thor isn't in marvel. superman is superior.

he's far smarter
far faster
stronger
more durable
more versatile

Did you forget that KMC has a quote feature?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd say Superman in general is just so unused to actually being seriously hurt that it's more of a shock to him than it would be to someone like Thor. This...is an interesting observation, and one I can't really disagree with. IIRC, one of Supe's most frequent comments (other than, "He's the toughest opponent I ever fought!" is, "I actually felt that!"

Originally posted by Mindship
Regarding the damage soak: my impression is that Superman is actually harder to hurt than Thor. But once either is hurt, I think Thor is harder to fully shut down, so to speak. But this is just an impression.

fair enough. i can why you'd think so. under his invulnerability supes is just a guy. thor is a god. i guess if we seperate his invulnerabilty thor would be the winner in the category. i really wasn't while i considered. if we take out the invulnerabilty, supes is still pretty damned determined though, and strong willed. reminds me of cap as i think about it.

Originally posted by leonidas
reminds me of cap as i think about it. Funny you should mention this. When I saw the Captain America movie, now and then when Evans would hit the character right on the nail -- his understated nobility, his determination and selflessness -- it was Superman I was reminded of.

Originally posted by Mindship
Funny you should mention this. When I saw the Captain America movie, now and then when Evans would hit the character right on the nail -- his understated nobility, his determination and selflessness -- it was Superman I was reminded of.

i can see that. i've always thought supes and cap were far more analagous as characters than thor and supes were.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've always thought supes and cap were far more analagous as characters than thor and supes were. That was my exact sentiment when watching the movie.

Originally posted by Mindship
That was my exact sentiment when watching the movie.

Me too.

Wonder Woman is more Thor's DC equivalent.

So Damage Soak has a Will component to it ?

Bump.

No...Abhi....why...

Its my thread.

uhuh

I know....but still.... crybaby

Warned for bumping.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Warned for bumping.

Hes just wants to downplay Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Hes just wants to downplay Thor.

Really shouldn't say things like that about other posters given your own record.

^this

Originally posted by -Pr-
Really shouldn't say things like that about other posters given your own record.

Come on Pr...you know how ABHI is...especially considering the numerous of thread you've closed of his.

Also, TheHulk, again, stop cheer leading and following me.

-Greats Hyperbolic Statement
"Faster than a speeding bullet"

Originally posted by -Pr-
Warned for bumping. Bada will hear about this.
uhuh

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Pr...you know how ABHI is...especially considering the numerous of thread you've closed of his.

Also, TheHulk, again, stop cheer leading and following me.

I know full well what's going on. You trying to draw attention to it, given your own behaviour, is just pretty hypocritical.

What, you want to be the top low-baller on KMC?

Originally posted by TheHulk
I know....but still.... crybaby

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know full well what's going on. You trying to draw attention to it, given your own behaviour, is just pretty hypocritical.

What, you want to be the top low-baller on KMC?

It's a prestigious title you know!

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know full well what's going on. You trying to draw attention to it, given your own behaviour, is just pretty hypocritical.

What, you want to be the top low-baller on KMC?

Huh? I'm not drawing attention to it, I just want ABHI to stop doing what he is doing (and please don't say that I do it because I don't). It's obvious what his intentions are.

Lol...Pr, I will never understand why you say I lowball. I don't lowball.

Originally posted by curryman
It's a prestigious title you know!

I must be 5th prestige while you have reached you 10th.

Originally posted by carver9
Huh? I'm not drawing attention to it, I just want ABHI to stop doing what he is doing (and please don't say that I do it because I don't). It's obvious what his intentions are.

Lol...Pr, I will never understand why you say I lowball. I don't lowball.

You lying about it makes us both look bad. You, because you think I'm stupid enough to believe you, and me, because some tool is bound to believe you due to law of averages.

You're just going to end up getting banned, tbh.

Carv, stop derailing the thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Carv, stop derailing the thread.

lol. You shouldn't have bumped it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You lying about it makes us both look bad. You, because you think I'm stupid enough to believe you, and me, because some tool is bound to believe you due to law of averages.

You're just going to end up getting banned, tbh.

I'm not trying to make you look bad. I also don't think anyone on this forum is stupid.

I'm not purposely trying to get banned but I also know that its bound to happen based off the attention my posts get so me being banned is inevitable...basically a win/lose situation. I don't even know what started this argument.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol. You shouldn't have bumped it.