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Rogue in possession of the following characters abilities with full knowledge and expert capability in using them:

Savage Hulk
Sebastian Shaw
The Runner (not immortal)
Silver Surfer
Vision (i know hes not organic! lol)
Darwin


These abilities arent separate, she can use them simultaneously and use some abilities to bolster others, so her Visions density abilities to bolster the durability of her Hulk form for example whilst being able to absorb kinetic energy to bolster her strength and durability further with her Sebastian Shaw power-set

Battle is bloodlusted and to the death with no consideration for the environment or people.

Who wins and why out of this version of Rogue and Superboy Prime?

Good fight...Rogue wins.

I don't see how this isn't a spite thread.

Rogue gets a huge boost from Runner and that's what would keep her in this. Without it Prime punches her face off under bloodlusted stips.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't see how this isn't a spite thread.

Really?

I havent read many comics with SBP in and the ones i have read ive seen him taking on legions of Superheroes, armies of green lanterns, surviving an exploding Guardian so i thought this was a good measure to see just how powerful he is mate.

SBP after a longish fight.

Prime utterly destroys her.

Originally posted by zopzop
SBP after a longish fight.

Cool.

How would you envision a win against the abilities listed?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool.

How would you envision a win against the abilities listed?
He would simply blitz, wear her down, then overpower her. SBP had some RIDICULOUS fights and feats to his name.

rogue wins

Does she keep her own draining abilities?

Vision's density control added to Shaw's absorption for any energy that DOES somehow affect him (SBP being able to punch through..non physical things) keeps her safe, and using Runner's speed and reflexes, pop in and out and keep draining him until he dies.

Originally posted by zopzop
He would simply blitz, wear her down, then overpower her. SBP had some RIDICULOUS fights and feats to his name.

Dont see how he could overpower her to be honest, every blow he delivers would make her stronger and amp her durability and strength (S Shaw) her Hulk abilities mean as the fight goes on and gets heated she'll just get stronger and stronger and her Vision abilities mean she can further amplify her Hulk/Surfer/Runner/Vision durability even further through density manipulation, or she could make herself intangible so he cant hit her.

Her Runner/Surfer speed probably makes her faster as well.

not sure prime can win even 1/10 here.....

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont see how he could overpower her to be honest, every blow he delivers would make her stronger and amp her durability and strength (S Shaw) her Hulk abilities mean as the fight goes on and gets heated she'll just get stronger and stronger and her Vision abilities mean she can further amplify her Hulk/Surfer/Runner/Vision durability even further through density manipulation, or she could make herself intangible so he cant hit her.

Her Runner/Surfer speed probably makes her faster as well.
Shaw CAN be overloaded. Storm's lightening has done it. Namor drew blood a punch and put Shaw on his @$$ and Namor isn't in SBP's league.

What was the best attack Vision tanked at max density?

I still see him blitzing, wearing down, then completely overpowering her. The major things keeping her in the game would be Hulk's healing factor and strength amp plus Runner's speed.

Shaw CAN be overloaded, this is true.

But what happened if you gave Rogue the Hulk's ability to amp his durability? On top of the Surfer's energy absorption abilities, plus the Runner's/Surfer's reflexes so Rogue could continually discharge excess energy, or even worse, get more powerful?

Having the Hulk and Surfer's stacked abilities removes Shaw's cap.

Originally posted by zopzop
Shaw CAN be overloaded. Storm's lightening has done it. Namor drew blood a punch and put Shaw on his @$$ and Namor isn't in SBP's league.

What was the best attack Vision tanked at max density?

I still see him blitzing, wearing down, then completely overpowering her. The major things keeping her in the game would be Hulk's healing factor and strength amp plus Runner's speed.

Youre missing the key factor, this Rogues ability to use any of her abilities in any number or combination to bolster each other.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Really?

I havent read many comics with SBP in and the ones i have read ive seen him taking on legions of Superheroes, armies of green lanterns, surviving an exploding Guardian so i thought this was a good measure to see just how powerful he is mate.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont see how he could overpower her to be honest, every blow he delivers would make her stronger and amp her durability and strength (S Shaw) her Hulk abilities mean as the fight goes on and gets heated she'll just get stronger and stronger and her Vision abilities mean she can further amplify her Hulk/Surfer/Runner/Vision durability even further through density manipulation, or she could make herself intangible so he cant hit her.

Her Runner/Surfer speed probably makes her faster as well.

Not sure which to go with...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre missing the key factor, this Rogues ability to use any of her abilities in any number or combination to bolster each other.

It almost sounds like you're applying a no limits fallacy to Rogues powers?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not sure which to go with...

Given you havent seen me involved in any SBP threads i think it was a hasty conclusion to come to in the first place to be honest.

Why would i make a spite thread for a character i havent demonstrated any interest in whatsoever?

I dont know a lot about SBP at all, so ive created a thread to help me gauge his abilities.

The 2nd comment you quoted should hopefully trigger a response from someone well versed in DC and if SBP can take out this version of Rogue then they'll be able to reference instances on panel why. I can then go off and get hold of said comics and expand my knowledge in the process.

See the logic now?

I wish you a Happy New Year

With Hulks damage soak, Surfer durability, and Shaw absorption powers...I don't see Prime overloading her.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It almost sounds like you're applying a no limits fallacy to Rogues powers?

Not really.

If Rogue merely possessed these 6 characters abilities in her normal capacity she'd clearly get destroyed.

I havent kept up to date with SBP's appearances in about 3 years but even i know that.

Would you like there to only be threads where you can drop in and post a one liner "SBP ftw" is that what you'd like?

If the characters overpowered then say so and how.

If SBP can win then say so and how.

This is all about giving me a better idea of what he can do and picking up some issue references so i can check him out for myself.

yeah, my first thought was he could overload her, but with the flexibility she has here, can't see how he can win this fight tbh.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given you havent seen me involved in any SBP threads i think it was a hasty conclusion to come to in the first place to be honest.

Why would i make a spite thread for a character i havent demonstrated any interest in whatsoever?

I dont know a lot about SBP at all, so ive created a thread to help me gauge his abilities.

The 2nd comment you quoted should hopefully trigger a response from someone well versed in DC and if SBP can take out this version of Rogue then they'll be able to reference instances on panel why. I can then go off and get hold of said comics and expand my knowledge in the process.

See the logic now?

I wish you a Happy New Year

If you don't know a lot about him, though, why would you say he can't overload her?

Just curious; not trying to start anything. Happy New Year.

Originally posted by carver9
With Hulks damage soak, Surfer durability, and Shaw absorption powers...I don't see Prime overloading her.

*fistbump*

You and me against the world, bro.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
*fistbump*

You and me against the world, bro.

I'm disagreeing with you though. WTF.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If you don't know a lot about him, though, why would you say he can't overload her?

Just curious; not trying to start anything. Happy New Year.

I said i cant see how he could and then listed this Rogues abilities to back up my point.

If he can then thats the trigger for more well versed readers to chip in and provide references that i can then happily go and read up on and learn.

If the thread dies then i know im right and i leave with a slightly better idea of the level of SBP.

It's just that, for the highs he has, he has lows too, so some people's exagerrated opinion of him won't hold up when it comes down to it.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm disagreeing with you though. WTF.

Read again. We both said that Prime cannot overload her.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's just that, for the highs he has, he has lows too, so some people's exagerrated opinion of him won't hold up when it comes down to it.

Well thats what im hoping to find out.

Ive read some high end feats, his torturing of Mxy, surviving that Guardians attack, surviving a universal scale explosion etc, but i dont know how consistent he is.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shaw CAN be overloaded, this is true.

But what happened if you gave Rogue the Hulk's ability to amp his durability? On top of the Surfer's energy absorption abilities, plus the Runner's/Surfer's reflexes so Rogue could continually discharge excess energy, or even worse, get more powerful?

Having the Hulk and Surfer's stacked abilities removes Shaw's cap.


D***

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not really.

If Rogue merely possessed these 6 characters abilities in her normal capacity she'd clearly get destroyed.

I havent kept up to date with SBP's appearances in about 3 years but even i know that.

Would you like there to only be threads where you can drop in and post a one liner "SBP ftw" is that what you'd like?

If the characters overpowered then say so and how.

If SBP can win then say so and how.

This is all about giving me a better idea of what he can do and picking up some issue references so i can check him out for myself.

I already posted and said that she would benefit greatly from Runner and without that power she gets stomped.

The issue I have is with you saying all powers boost the others. Somebody mentioned overloading Rogue but you have the "amp amps amp" justification. If we can't put a cap on just how much of a boost her amps give her in tandem, then it's really unquantifiable and subject to a no limit fallacy.

Prime.

Originally posted by Bentley
Prime utterly destroys her.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well thats what im hoping to find out.

Ive read some high end feats, his torturing of Mxy, surviving that Guardians attack, surviving a universal scale explosion etc, but i dont know how consistent he is. He is a High hearld team buster. That has been consistent since day 1. Only real low showing he has is losing to the Teen Titans, and even that team was stacked.

Rogue wins.

I don't see any of you remembering heat vision. Prime is not only capable of hitting her with it, he's also as vicious as any villain, and wouldn't mind melting her to a heap with it.

No touch = no drain. No punch = no amp.

Rogue dies.

Prime uses that heat vision which cuts through Superman like butter, Rogue would have only Runner's and Surfer's durability to tank that, so Prime can beat her using Heat Vision alone. She having "mastered" Hulk's power still doesn't make her an uber genius like Banner, and I just don't see her getting overly mad and juggling all those abilities at the same time.

You know what I really want to see Prime do? Just punch his way through a dimension and bust his way into the new 52 universe. "YOU STUPID LOSERS THOUGHT ONE PUNY REBOOT COULD GET RID OF ME?!"

Prime.

Going with Rogue here, the STACKED powers at her disposal I see being too much for even SBP to beat more than not.

Originally posted by Bentley
Prime uses that heat vision which cuts through Superman like butter, Rogue would have only Runner's and Surfer's durability to tank that, so Prime can beat her using Heat Vision alone. She having "mastered" Hulk's power still doesn't make her an uber genius like Banner, and I just don't see her getting overly mad and juggling all those abilities at the same time.

He can shoot holes in her all he wants...Rogue has Hulk healing factor and the power cosmic to close those gaps.

Originally posted by carver9
He can shoot holes in her all he wants...Rogue has Hulk healing factor and the power cosmic to close those gaps.
Savage hulk's healing isn't enough for that much punishment and neither is power cosmic.

In your opinion it isn't.

Id say it is as well, and heck she also has Visions intangility, meaning she can phase as well. Also, Runner has massive durability too, adding the toughness of Hulk, Vision, Surfer and Runner, combined, with Shaws kinetic absorption, and this Rogue is noticeably more durable than most anything SBP has fought. Adding in the speed of Surfer and Runner, combined, and SBP is in for the fight of his life. Ive seen SBP get hurt and even KOed by characters Much weaker than Rogue here

HV all you want.

Darwin's abilities will develop a counter for it. At the speeds of the Runner.

Rogue beats down emoboy prime, then evolves into a webwide moderator so she can block Prime from whining about it anywhere on the net.

I wanna say that it depends a lot Sesbastian Shaw's powers, but the Runner and Surfer combined would be incredibly strong.

Plus, Darwin's pull any powers you require out of your ass ability, coupled with incredible speeds etc...

Rogue wins, pretty convincingly.

Funny thing is Prime could handle this team no problem, but all of their abilities stacking each other in one single char is too much.

Rogue can't even absorb the SS.

Apparently, according to this thread, she can.

It the complementary stacking that gets SBP.

Shaws powers overload so thats moot. How strong are Dawins powers? WHen he fought the hulk he couldnt handle him (WWH).

I dont think the healing factor would help since he can just destroy every part of her with his vision.

The question is how durable is she with the power cosmic? The kid can punch dimensions and screw up time. I dont see rouge winning here sorry people.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Shaws powers overload so thats moot. How strong are Dawins powers? WHen he fought the hulk he couldnt handle him (WWH).

I dont think the healing factor would help since he can just destroy every part of her with his vision.

The question is how durable is she with the power cosmic? The kid can punch dimensions and screw up time. I dont see rouge winning here sorry people.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

These abilities arent separate, she can use them simultaneously and use some abilities to bolster others, so her Visions density abilities to bolster the durability of her Hulk form for example whilst being able to absorb kinetic energy to bolster her strength and durability further with her Sebastian Shaw power-set

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shaw CAN be overloaded, this is true.

But what happened if you gave Rogue the Hulk's ability to amp his durability? On top of the Surfer's energy absorption abilities, plus the Runner's/Surfer's reflexes so Rogue could continually discharge excess energy, or even worse, get more powerful?

Having the Hulk and Surfer's stacked abilities removes Shaw's cap.

In short, whatever cap Shaw may have had as a human, is removed by having Surfer's durability (who was able to channel the Crunch) and the Hulk's amping. So:

Rogue uses Shaw's ability to absorb energy, with the baseline level of Surfer. Then amps Surfer's durability/absorption by using Hulk's amping ability.

Then, using Shaw's ability to punch back with an equal amount of force, stacked on top of the Surfer's ability to amp with the PC, and the Hulk's strength, with whatever Darwin's ability comes up with (like when he absorbed Hela's powers), all at the speed of the Runner....yeah.

SBP ain't winning this.

I still say she goes down, and not because I like the kid. Ive seen him take way to many super heros. When it comes to writers making someone to strong this guy is ALMOST worse then Thanos.

Also, in answer to your question, after WWH, Darwin was able to use a Death God's powers (Hela).

Remember how quickly WWH could heal, so that Wolverine's slashes weren't even registering? Imagine that HF sped up by having the Runner's attributes.

No matter how strong SBP will be, Rogue will be stronger here (thanks to Shaw's powerset, and the removal of his cap). No matter how fast he is, the Runner/Surfer will be there to enable her to keep up. HV attacks? She can use Vision's density control, or Darwin's mutation to enable her to develop something on the fly.

Would she be able to do all this stuff? Sure. Cosmic awareness, plus she's bloodlusted.

He really has no advantage over her.

shaw has also been shown to be able to absorb AND form of energy recently (including magical and electrical). add hulk's healing and runner (who is a friggin ELDER of the universe) and i don't see hv being a problem for rogue. at all. still not seeing how prime can win this battle in any way.

Sounds infinity fallacish for me to be honest. Regular Superman has the ability to burn hotter than the Sun, factor that to a HV on a level that puts Kal to shame and I don't see why to assume Darwin or Vision's abilities would be a factor at all. Vision doesn't become untouchable, he just alter his own Destiny, actually he doesn't add anything in particular, as Surfer can replicate that power himself.

It would be awesome if Rogue tried to absorb Prime just to be busted and break down like the Black Lantern Ring did by Prime's randomness.

Then Galactica said that she gets full knowledge on how to use these abilities...she's a master. Her amping with Hulk strength (master of it), the power Cosmic (master of it), Shaw ability (master of it), along with the other powers that probably isn't even needed here...she stomps.

Didn't she cope with Legion before? - the rings couldn't cope with SBP's mix of emotions, I think Rogue could do it just fine.

Then you add things like the Surfer being able to cope with entire worlds, and so Rogue's cap is also removed.

Shaw was constrained by his human body. Pre upgrade, Surfer was able to absorb and use the Crunch. Absorbing and using the energy from HV, then add the Hulk's ability to continually amp...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/102264/2675983-the_infinity_crusade___04___mortal_sins___19.jpg

Now, as his physical form has been limiting the SS...imagine, if only he had the ability to gain the perfect example of comic physicality, i.e the Hulk.

So when did shaw, Darwin, Hela, and other guys become so strong as to move planets, not be hurt by antimatter, take on ION, and beat the crap out of super girl, superman, black lanterns, power girl, etc etc etc.

On their own? Never.

But the OP specifically said that they could stack their powers. Hulk is a match for Superman (and so, could beat the crap out of most other DC bricks in a fist fight).

Surfer can match Hulk (sometimes).

So stacking their strength (and ignoring everything else)? And then add Shaw's ability on top? And then add Darwin's 'I can be as strong as I need to'?

You used his teleporting away during WWH as proof that he has limits. Which is wrong, it only shows that that is what his mutation deemed to be the safest course of action to take.

Subsequent to that showing, he has now shown he can take on more offensive powers, and can actually choose his powers.

Once again I say she goes down. I dont see the surfer, or anyone on SBP level.

Rogue wins imo.

this just seems tailored to kick primes ass.. combo of powers stack well and just present a problem for a guy who just likes to pour intense amounts of force on whatever pisses him off.
wish prime was a smarter fighter and wouldnt just go into this swinging and bitching about stuff. if so i could back him in this. sadly i can not.

Rogue will have to work for the win though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So stacking their strength (and ignoring everything else)? And then add Shaw's ability on top? And then add Darwin's 'I can be as strong as I need to'?

It depends on whether you add them geometrically or arithmetically. The OP just says that they stack, not that they multiply each other, so the result isn't actually anything more impressive than, let's say, a Ion boosted Daxamite. Stacking powers does not mean multiplying Dragonball Fusion style.

(And even if it did, Prime would retcon her )

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Rogue will have to work for the win though.

true enough.
i guess thats what makes this not qualify as spite?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre missing the key factor, this Rogues ability to use any of her abilities in any number or combination to bolster each other.

@Bentley

Originally posted by Bentley
It depends on whether you add them geometrically or arithmetically. The OP just says that they stack, not that they multiply each other, so the result isn't actually anything more impressive than, let's say, a Ion boosted Daxamite. Stacking powers does not mean multiplying Dragonball Fusion style.

(And even if it did, Prime would retcon her )

Rogue will retcon him back, seeing as she would already have touched him and thus, absorbed his retcon ability

And Sodomy At sucks.

Originally posted by carver9
@Bentley

Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rogue will retcon him back, seeing as she would already have touched him and thus, absorbed his retcon ability

zomfg

Originally posted by Bentley
Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.

Agreed. I guess it depends on which way you stack them. It all really hinges on the Hulk being used as a 'chassis', if you will.

So if you take Shaw's absorption cap, but replace him with the Hulk, then the cap is removed.

If you take Surfer's strength, then add the Hulk's amping ability (I know SS can amp as well, but no one does it better than Hulk).

Essentially, this is the Hulk with flight, energy absorption, energy blasts, telepathy, superspeed, intelligence (stack cosmic awareness on top of Vision's analytical mind on top of Hulk's raw cunning) etc. And the ability to drain your opponents with a touch (Rogue) and the ability to evolve whatever you need on the fly. It really is stacked against SBP, and I'm not sure what he can do to win. Haven't seen a way for him to win from other posters, YET (I'm sure I will be proved wrong).

Originally posted by Bentley
Rogue can and will use Surfer's and Shaw's ability to amp her strength, and those things will work above the physical stats of the amalgam -Hulk's strength, Runner's speed-, but that doesn't mean that they will increase exponentially as if Hulk's base strength was that of a mortal human and then you added on top of that Surfer's stats. It will only boost the amalgam within it's own parameters and not invent some sort of stat explosion ad infinitum, sure, Shaw abilities will be able to go further because the amalgam has much more physical endurance than Shaw's himself, but other abilities aren't as dependant on stats. Example: Vision goes has hard as diamond, but having Surfer's abilities doesn't make Vision go harder than diamond, because that's not part of what Vision's abilities can do. Sure, the durability of a Diamond hard vision will be thougher backed by Hulk's own physical boosts, but the Vision ability won't change on itself.

Hope this helped clarify what I meant.


x 1,000,000,000

Except he admits that Shaw's cap has been removed.

And if we want to go down the parameters route...

What is the Hulk's strength limit? Presumably its his anger level.

What is Shaw's strength limit? His frail human body.

Marry the two together, and you get an amalgam whose strength level does not depend on anger, and has no known upper bound.

What is the Surfer's speed limit? His energy levels, i.e. the amount of PC energy he can absorb and use.

What is the Runner's speed limit? Not known.

So far, we now have an amalgam who has no strength and speed limit :-p.

What is Darwin's mutation limit? Previously, it was his inability to choose a suitable power - so stick him in a dark room, and he could manifest superhearing like Daredevil, or supervision - he couldn't choose. Now, after the encounter with Hela, it doesn't seem to be present anymore.

So we now have a limitlessly strong, fast amalgam who can choose an ability he wants to manifest.

This doesn't even go into the amalgam's durability/HF levels. The Hulk has a HF proportionally better than his durability; the reverse is true for people like SS. MArry them together, and you have a super durable being who can now heal any damage you do manage to deal to him.

Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

Infinity fallacy is not a valid argument, maybe we should bring the upper levels of what Shaw has actually redirected and stop assuming it's infinite, the strain will be tanked by Hulk's physiology, but that doesn't make the amount Shaw can take "infinite", it will just allow the amalgam to use the top levels without dying as Shaw would.

Shaws powers in tandem with Hulk are not going to amp Rogue beyond Prime level strength.
It's only 2 ways to look at this:
Either all amps amp to the point of nearly abstract level (which would be premeditated spite) or....
It's like Bently explained.
It only seems logical to go with the later.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

Why would he be wasted by HV? Because under his thick skin, he would still only be human.

Imagine if under that skin was the Surfer, who can travel through stars (or at least, can tolerate much higher temps than a mere human). Then under that Surfer layer, was a HF from the Hulk which is capable of allowing him to survive in the depths of Sakaar.

Another way of looking at it, is that Darwin's ability coupled with Runner/Surfer's perception and reaction speeds, enable him to quickly react and evolve a defence against Hv after eveolving a defence against freeze breath.


But why wouldn't the mythical amalgam be able to surpass Shaw's upper limits?

And btw, I think this was premed spite :-p

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, most of the argument is pretty infinity fallacish. "We don't know how much strength it has" doesn't mean, "it has infinite strength", nor anything like that. Darwin can evolve a thick heat absorbing skin against freeze breath and then get utterly wasted by heat vision. Fatality.

darwin's power has no such limitations, as soon as HV makes contact he'll adapt to it instantly. i can't recall him being truly hurt since his powers first manifested. He has survived as pure energy, merged with other beings and assimilated others into him. he can, of course, be tactically defeated by bfr or incarceration but not really wounded or killed. the main limitation of his power was that he could not access it consciously and was prone to self-bfr but he has recently done this at least once, but cannot do it consitently yet.

When he was in hel, Hela's dominion over the realm prevented teleportation and so when she used her death touch on him, his powers instantly made him into the only thing that could survive it: another death god. as a death god he had instinctual knowledge of her weakness, the removal of her cloak. he did not, in fact absorb her powers, she was normal after the encounter and he has remained a magical death god since, as well.

darwin's power seals the deal here because even if its counter-offensive capacities are limited by the easiset way out MO of his mutation, its deffensive capacities are still enough to make sure rogue will survive and with the rest of that power set, she can stay in the fight.

considering the stacking of his powers with the hulk's HF, SS's PC, and rogue's power drain. Prime will gow down here.

Really another death god? Is she even that powerful? She cant even beat thor.

seriously, not sure why the no-limits fallacy is being invoked here. we don't have to assume no-limits to reasonably conclude the powers can be pushed, if allowed to be done in concert, to prime's level. we're talking about a one-level jump, in essence. i'm not even basing it off that anyway--does anyone even know what runner alone is capable of....?

vision's power is redundant--runner can become intangible at will as well. factor in hulk's healing and HIS strength can match prime's imo, and eventually prime will be worn down. even if you don't think hulk can match or exceed his strength, she CAN touch him with runner's speed (this is a guy who effortlessly trashed ss) and possibly drain or absorb his powers. i still see no way (even forgetting shaw) that prime can logically win this battle.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Really another death god? Is she even that powerful? She cant even beat thor. yup, another death god. he's roaming around like that right now, hearing the pleas of the dead all time and whatnot. hela's power level isnt the issue here, the limitless versatily of darwin's adaptive powers are. if he can reconfigure himself into a magical deity type of being, I'd say he can find a way to survive SBP's heat and kinetic energy output. the rest of rogue's powerset can handle the offensive aspect of the fight.

Of course, darwin himself hasnt shown anything indicating he could put sbp down, but he has shown he could survive him.

Rogue wins, hard.

Originally posted by leonidas
seriously, not sure why the no-limits fallacy is being invoked here. we don't have to assume no-limits to reasonably conclude the powers can be pushed, if allowed to be done in concert, to prime's level. we're talking about a one-level jump, in essence. i'm not even basing it off that anyway--does anyone even know what runner alone is capable of....?

vision's power is redundant--runner can become intangible at will as well. factor in hulk's healing and HIS strength can match prime's imo, and eventually prime will be worn down. even if you don't think hulk can match or exceed his strength, she CAN touch him with runner's speed (this is a guy who effortlessly trashed ss) and possibly drain or absorb his powers. i still see no way (even forgetting shaw) that prime can logically win this battle.

This.

Originally posted by leonidas
i still see no way (even forgetting shaw) that prime can logically win this battle.

Prime doesn't care about logic biscuits

pfft. this is prime, not mothra.