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Mephisto, Blackheart, Thog, Satannish, Seth, Pluto, Hela, hellstorm,dormammu etc http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/lordsofthesplinterrealms1.jpg

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Mephisto, Blackheart, Thog, Satannish, Seth, Pluto, Hela, hellstorm, etc http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/lordsofthesplinterrealms1.jpg you can argue that Shuma is as powerful as Classic Demogore(some say he is even more powerful) and Demogorge can eat this guys for lunch....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
you can argue that Shuma is as powerful as Classic Demogore(some say he is even more powerful) and Demogorge can eat this guys for lunch.... though it says there are "Billions" of hellords there, and they merged all there realms into a single one.

Hell lords easy

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
though it says there are "Billions" of hellords there, and they merged all there realms into a single one. They tryed...but Demogorge ate them like candy....

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Hell lords easy

Shuma eats magical energy like it's candy. The hell lords couldn't do anything but make Shuma-Gorath stronger by feeding it their magic.

Shuma stomps.

bumped

Gorath.

I think the eye with tentacles is a few links above them in the feeding chain

Originally posted by nicamarvin
you can argue that Shuma is as powerful as Classic Demogore(some say he is even more powerful) and Demogorge can eat this guys for lunch....
Shuma is a couple rungs higher than Atum. Shuma wins.

Originally posted by CortSether
Shuma eats magical energy like it's candy. The hell lords couldn't do anything but make Shuma-Gorath stronger by feeding it their magic.

Shuma stomps.
Yeah, SG has never lost to magic amiright? How about those books in Conan?

Originally posted by 753
I think the eye with tentacles is a few links above them in the feeding chain

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Shuma is a couple rungs higher than Atum. Shuma wins. ..........

^ They speak the truth.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
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Are we wrong? Those hell lords are bellow the elder gods arent they? And shuma is a primordial demon-god, older and above them all. I'm also assuming this is the real deal, not the avatars he sends through cricks in realities to conquer them. Those things could get offed by crom.

Originally posted by 753
Are we wrong? Those hell lords are bellow the elder gods arent they? And shuma is a primordial demon-god, older and above them all. I'm also assuming this is the real deal, not the avatars he sends through cricks in realities to conquer them. Those things could get offed by crom. ..........I'm just messing with Ya...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, SG has never lost to magic amiright? How about those books in Conan? if u only consider Marvel publishing of Shuma-Gorath then no, Shuma has never been defeated by someone else's magic, unless you count how he was defeated by Stange/Arioch, and even still it was defeated by its own magic being hurled at it - that's a little thing called plot device. On far more occasions Shuma-Gorath was shown to absorb physical, elemental and magic energy. The hell lords are many many many tiers below Shuma. It's like comparing a spark to a forest fire.

Originally posted by CortSether
if u only consider Marvel publishing of Shuma-Gorath then no, Shuma has never been defeated by someone else's magic, unless you count how he was defeated by Stange/Arioch, and even still it was defeated by its own magic being hurled at it - that's a little thing called plot device. On far more occasions Shuma-Gorath was shown to absorb physical, elemental and magic energy. The hell lords are many many many tiers below Shuma. It's like comparing a spark to a forest fire.

Sorry its just its funny how its now advantageous for you to disown your previous argument that Shuma in Marvel=Shuma in Cimmeria.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Sorry its just its funny how its now advantageous for you to disown your previous argument that Shuma in Marvel=Shuma in Cimmeria.

Nah, I abandoned that one a while ago once I realized how faulty it was.

Originally posted by CortSether
Nah, I abandoned that one a while ago once I realized how faulty it was. you are wrong son....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
you are wrong son....

To what are you referring to?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Shuma is a couple rungs higher than Atum. Shuma wins. ABC logic doesnt work.....


galactus>>>>atum yet
mephisto stalemated galactus
but was pwned by atum.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
ABC logic doesnt work.....


galactus>>>>atum yet
mephisto stalemated galactus
but was pwned by atum.
Actually Galactus threatened to eat Mephisto's realm which caused Mephisto to call a truce and give him his Herald back. That's not stalemating, that's called getting your arm twisted until you say Uncle. In Atum's case Atum's power is to eat Gods which allowed him to eat the Hell Lords within their Realms (still PIS though, they should be above Elder God level in their own realms) Shuma isn't a God, he's more powerful than most Gods.

Originally posted by CortSether
To what are you referring to?
I don't think he actually understands English.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Actually Galactus threatened to eat Mephisto's realm which caused Mephisto to call a truce and give him his Herald back. That's not stalemating, that's called getting your arm twisted until you say Uncle. In Atum's case Atum's power is to eat Gods which allowed him to eat the Hell Lords within their Realms (still PIS though, they should be above Elder God level in their own realms) Shuma isn't a God, he's more powerful than most Gods. he threatened to eat mephisto realm after he saw the fight wasnt going anyware and was just stalemating.

also its not PIS all he has to do is eat 1 and his power grows with every person he eats, after he ate them he was going to eat Odin...

also shuma got beat by dr strange in his realm.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Sorry its just its funny how its now advantageous for you to disown your previous argument that Shuma in Marvel=Shuma in Cimmeria.

You mean the shuma from the conanverse right? Why isn't he the same as 616? Kulan gath and selene are the same, hyborian age is just earth 616 past.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think he actually understands English. que dice senor hijo de puta....

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he threatened to eat mephisto realm after he saw the fight wasnt going anyware and was just stalemating.

also its not PIS all he has to do is eat 1 and his power grows with every person he eats, after he ate them he was going to eat Odin...

also shuma got beat by dr strange in his realm.
Oh wow he was going to eat Odin. No Way! The Hell Lords in their own realms are>>>>>Odin.

I'm not an avid reader of Strange but I'm almost certain a hefty plot device was in play in that instance.
Originally posted by 753
You mean the shuma from the conanverse right? Why isn't he the same as 616? Kulan gath and selene are the same, hyborian age is just earth 616 past.
Yeah but we can't assume that all the events shown in REH's works also took place in Marvel's Hyborian Age.

Strange had major major prep when he defeated Shuma. And don't forget the hefty plot devices.

Strange's most signifcant victory against shuma was not only full of plot devices, but was only achieved by him becoming shuma himself, which defeated the purpose and shows that shuma cannot be taken down by lesser beings. in the end it was shuma who overcame strange not the other way arround. He can be sent packing from their dimensions though.

Originally posted by 753
Strange's most signifcant victory against shuma was not only full of plot devices, but was only achieved by him becoming shuma himself, which defeated the purpose and shows that shuma cannot be taken down by lesser beings. in the end it was shuma who overcame strange not the other way arround. He can be sent packing from their dimensions though.
Not even close. Strange easily stopped that plan by destroying his ego, which didn't last long.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not even close. Strange easily stopped that plan by destroying his ego, which didn't last long.

So let's see, Doc Strange has to murder his ego to prevent himself from turning into Shuma, to which Shuma-Gorath just reassembles itself back in its dimension and you consider that a win for Strange?

Originally posted by CortSether
So let's see, Doc Strange has to murder his ego to prevent himself from turning into Shuma, to which Shuma-Gorath just reassembles itself back in its dimension and you consider that a win for Strange?
Given that Strange was perfectly fine afterwords, yes.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not even close. Strange easily stopped that plan by destroying his ego, which didn't last long.

Strange absorbes shuma, Strange becomes Shuma. If the process is completed, Strange ceases to be and Shuma remains. To me it's clear who overcomes whom.

Strange has to self-destruct to avoid being overcome. Shuma reforms by himself in his realm, strange also finds his way back to the living eventually. Nothing changes.

At best, Strange can only hope to keep Shuma at bay in his realm with the help of some plot devices.

And despite that... the point that magic can harm Shuma remains.

Sise-Neg's magic easily defeated Shuma as well, even though Shuma was attempting to absorb it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And despite that... the point that magic can harm Shuma remains.

Sise-Neg's magic easily defeated Shuma as well, even though Shuma was attempting to absorb it.

Shuma was not attempting to absorb Sise-Neg's magic. It was busy devouring primates and dinosaurs and Sise-Neg put it to sleep before it realized it was there. At that point Sise-Neg had very little left to absorb before he became one with the Marvel Universe so I don't know where you're getting with that. He was already freakishly powerful.

Plus, Sise-Neg said he could not attempt to destroy Shuma-Gorath because he sensed that it absorbs energy as he does and in the time it would take to try and destroy Shuma it would absorb much of his accumulated energy. So Shuma-Gorath would have been getting stronger and Sise-Neg weaker.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And despite that... the point that magic can harm Shuma remains.

Sise-Neg's magic easily defeated Shuma as well, even though Shuma was attempting to absorb it.

Magic can be successfully used against him to frustrate his invasion plans etc. But going by feats, no definitive victory can be achieved by lesser beings against him, specially with magic.

For the purposes of this battle it's easy for the hell lords to keep him out of their realms and conceivable, but not likely, that they get a temporary win against him in a transdimensional fight until he reforms in his own realm. They have no chance of defeating him in the long run or in his own dimension

Originally posted by 753
Magic can be successfully used against him to frustrate his invasion plans etc. But going by feats, no definitive victory can be achieved by lesser beings against him, specially with magic.

For the purposes of this battle it's easy for the hell lords to keep him out of their realms and conceivable, but not likely, that they get a temporary win against him in a transdimensional fight until he reforms in his own realm. They have no chance of defeating him in the long run or in his own dimension there are 6billion+ hellords

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
there are 6billion+ hellords

Caption on that scan cites one billion.

This is hard to gauge though, still not sure how many it takes to put him down or even if there is such a number.

Originally posted by 753
Caption on that scan cites one billion.

This is hard to gauge though, still not sure how many it takes to put him down or even if there is such a number. but its like 1 billion odin level guys...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
but its like 1 billion odin level guys...

So Shuma makes 1 billion clones of itself and fight all of them