Your top 3 prime examples of 'all Flash, no Substance' in gaming.

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Juk3n
Games that could have been so much more but failed to deliver where it counts.

Onimusha 4
FF XIII
Aion

ArtificialGlory
Crysis
Far Cry 2
Supreme Commander 2

Not sure if these are the worst examples I know; just from the top of my head.

FinalAnswer
Halo's story

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I have no other two, as I don't play bad games.

Heavy Rain could have been longer though imo

LogicalStudy
Outbreak & Outbreak File #2

NemeBro
Originally posted by Juk3n
Games that could have been so much more but failed to deliver where it counts.

Onimusha 4
FF XIII
Aion ... Is FF XIII even out yet?

Devil May Cry and Bayonetta are major offenders IMO.

No End N Site
Originally posted by Juk3n

FF XIII


Really? Why is everyone sayin' that? I was gonna buy this. From 1 to 10, what would you give it?

Alpha Centauri
Halo 3.
Bayonetta/Devil May Cry.

-AC

SnakeEyes
Most fighting games...

Smasandian
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Crysis
Far Cry 2
Supreme Commander 2

Not sure if these are the worst examples I know; just from the top of my head.

Crysis?


Far Cry 2 I would agree with totally. I havn't even finished the game but it wasn't very good.

Crysis though, great gameplay and very large SP portion also.

Peach
Originally posted by NemeBro
... Is FF XIII even out yet?

Devil May Cry and Bayonetta are major offenders IMO.

It's not.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Really? Why is everyone sayin' that? I was gonna buy this. From 1 to 10, what would you give it?

He won't be able to give it a score because it's not out until next week.

Impediment
Street Fighter 4
Bayonetta
Devil May Cry 3

No End N Site
Originally posted by Peach


He won't be able to give it a score because it's not out until next week. That's weird, I know 3 people who have it and I think their copies are even in English. Oh well...

My top 3 "Games that could have been so much more but failed to deliver where it counts" at the moment are

Dissidia FF

Dirge Of Cerberus

Any Smash Bros. game (they are still fun, tho)

Peach
Originally posted by No End N Site
That's weird, I know 3 people who have it and I think their copies are even in English. Oh well...

My top 3 "Games that could have been so much more but failed to deliver where it counts" at the moment are

Dissidia FF

Dirge Of Cerberus

Any Smash Bros. game (they are still fun, tho)

Then they don't have it legally, because even though stores already have it in stock (we've had it since Wednesday), it's dated to release on Tuesday the 9th.

Smasandian
Unless its the Japanese version.

BackFire
Don't agree with the choice of Crysis. Actually has more substantive gameplay than nearly any other shooter.

MadMel
Originally posted by No End N Site
Dissidia FF
srsly?
this is one of the very very few games that exceeded my expectations
what makes you think that?

jinXed by JaNx
Originally posted by Juk3n
Games that could have been so much more but failed to deliver where it counts.

Onimusha 4
FF XIII
Aion


Have you plaved Final Fantasy 13, yet? I haven't, but even if it's bad i'm sure it has loads of substance.

My three...

Madden
Guitar hero/Rock Band
Halo Odst

FWahMaN
Hahaha @ FFXIII being "all flash but no substance". I think it's already obvious the thing will pwn all sorts of ass, but the fact someone's already saying it's somewhat crap is amazing...why, because they cut some content to make it fit the 360? Whatever. It'll have the most content of any 360 game, most likely.

I'm going to have to put Bioshock on the list, although in addition, that is the only game I ever stopped playing to finish and then sold on Amazon. It was that unbearable. Stupid themes, bad lighting...and 2K published false trailers before it came out of its gameplay. The fact I realized you couldn't even see your feet in the game proves the trailers were pre-rendered (but made to trick the unaware person to believe it's actual gameplay). At least they didn't do this low shit with the Darkness. CG trailers of that game didn't resemble "gameplay".

I'm going to also agree that Bayonetta is an overrated piec'o'ess eightsh eye tee game. It resembles DMC gameplay a little too much, and we've had DMC a number of times. No one needs a DMC knock-off with a b.itch that has a body hardly any real life female has.

jinXed by JaNx
wow...,Bioshock? I didn't think i'd see anyone go there. Bioshock is easily one of the deepest and most immersive FPS games ever created. I can dig not liking it, but saying all flash and no bang...,that's just silly eh?


As for Bayonetta. Yeah, it's a one trick pony type of game. I hated it, but i loved it for what it was. It didn't try to lie to it's audience like DMC and be something more than it was. It was a cheap hack and slash with to much polish and big boss battles.

FWahMaN
Mainly because of the fake trailers made most likely to decieve. One such as:Lmw78t8NgIE

This is pretty much what I meant. If I'm misunderstanding the intended meaning of "all flash but no substance" then sorry. byez now.

No End N Site
Originally posted by MadMel
srsly?
this is one of the very very few games that exceeded my expectations
what makes you think that?

The game, to me, succeeds in many aspects, except where it needs too, game play. I feel like if they didn't focus so much on graphics and fan service, they coulda actually made a more enjoyable game to play. The fights were repetitive and there wasn't much room for strategy due to the fact that the mechanics for battle just wasn't deep enough for me. I feel like they shoulda just made the game an RPG rather than this awkward half ass attempt at a fighting game with RPG like elements and this clear burning desire to make the fights appear like the battle sequences seen in Advent Children. But that's just what I think.

Allankles
I didn't like Bioshock either - never completed a full playthrough - but it had some substance. Listening to the audio files of the specialists of Rapture and even the laymen added a lot to the game, I just wasn't having fun playing through it.

When you start forcing yourself to play through a game you know it's not for you. Although the first 2 or 3 hrs were fun.

As for the topic, of the games I've played:-

Darkvoid, Timeshift and Scrapland (had a lot potential, but it doesn't realize it beyond the first 45 minutes).

NemeBro
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Mainly because of the fake trailers made most likely to decieve. One such as:Lmw78t8NgIE

This is pretty much what I meant. If I'm misunderstanding the intended meaning of "all flash but no substance" then sorry. byez now. Wait wut?

You mean... When you saw that trailer, you thought that is how the gameplay was meant to be?

I loled.

Trying to "deceive" us, lawl.

Juk3n
Originally posted by No End N Site
Really? Why is everyone sayin' that? I was gonna buy this. From 1 to 10, what would you give it?

i give it an honest 5, and if it's one thing i am it's a HARDCORE rpg/jrpg fan, but this game has no RP. It's been striped barebones into cgi cutscenes and battle, level design is non existant, 5 years to develope the graphics and get them all shiney - which they are btw , but what else would you expect from square - but the game falls flat on it's arse. Personally i think square need to re-examine the definition of Role-playing game. Because what they have here is a perfect example of a whole new type of game , what can i call it...a SASIM, a Segmented Action Semi-Interactive Movie. "levels designed to reduce player stress" was actually an advertising phrase, and they aernt kidding, because there is no level design, you can't NOT complete this game because everything is a straite line. An actual straite line level design, it might aswell be an On-rails RPG, if you could have such a thing. FFXV anyone?

No End N Site
You should give the game a chance. I assumin' you haven't played it yet. Have you?

§P0oONY
ONes that come to mind straight away (because I've been playing them recently)

DMC,
Bayonetta,
Heavy Rain (As great as the game is, it's an interactive film, gameplay substance is limited)

Juk3n
Originally posted by No End N Site
You should give the game a chance. I assumin' you haven't played it yet. Have you?

Been playing for 2 days, friend - contact - workplace - stolen, anyway, yes ive been playing a while.

leonheartmm
bayonetta
final fantasy 12
ANY HALO
dante's inferno
gears of war
that sequel with the helgast n stuff on ps3
the ps3's equivalent of gears of war dont remember the name

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm
final fantasy 12]

Hell no

That one had plenty of substance, decent story and characters alot better then FFX imo

and i suppose it also halps if you like Star Wars.



Ummmmm the game your thinking of is Killzone and how is it PS3's equivalent of Gears of war when it first came out on the PS2 ??

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
Hell no

That one had plenty of substance, decent story and characters alot better then FFX imo

and i suppose it also halps if you like Star Wars.



Ummmmm the game your thinking of is Killzone and how is it PS3's equivalent of Gears of war when it first came out on the PS2 ??

hell YES. star wars is an ugly universe, all desert and geeky tech{and not in a good way like the way the new gods are geeky etc}. the races are bland and uninteresting, infact the design of everything from the storm troopers to the jedi is boring. the older designs of final fantasy 6 and 9 were a lot better/colourful/original, worlds/music/feel/races n all.

pray tell what WAS the story of ff12 other than a random bunch of arbitrary impersonal events which as it so happened had no real connection or conclusion. the character were bland/unifrom and un interesting. the whole thing was shit actually, and i played it the whole way too.

ff-10 although not the best fantasy by a long shot was a whole lot better and a whole lot more memorable.

yes, killzone 1 SUCKED, nothing but graphics there. killzone 2 wasnt much better. i dunno was it gears of war or resistance. they both seemed like nuthing but goodlooking titls used to advertise their consoles. no depth there.

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm

pray tell what WAS the story of ff12 other than a random bunch of arbitrary impersonal events which as it so happened had no real connection or conclusion. the character were bland/unifrom and un interesting. the whole thing was shit actually, and i played it the whole way too.

Seems like you feel alseep while playing the game for you to say "arbitrary impersonal events which as it so happened had no real connection or conclusion"



The stoyline failed and all the characters dressed up like they've just returned from a gay festivel



Same thing as i said before about falling to sleep.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
Seems like you feel alseep while playing the game for you to say "arbitrary impersonal events which as it so happened had no real connection or conclusion"



The stoyline failed and all the characters dressed up like they've just returned from a gay festivel



Same thing as i said before about falling to sleep.

oh really? was i asleep when i beat omega mk2?

the ONLY decent thing about ff13 was zodiark and the final battle against venat

seriously? u think resistance and gears of war had DEPTH???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

duuuuuude, u really need to play more GOOD games .

Kazenji
Fail !!

leonheartmm
Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh really? was i asleep when i beat omega mk2?

the ONLY decent thing about ff13 was zodiark and the final battle against venat

the story failed in certain places, but it was a great experience overall, it sucked you in to its wonder and otherworldliness. far cry from having NO story like ff13.

seriously? u think resistance and gears of war had DEPTH???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

duuuuuude, u really need to play more GOOD games .

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
Fail !!

says who? it was good for its time but cmon. if you want a REAL space opera watch firefly/various manga based space operas of the time. or play xenogears/xenosaga/mass effect.

star trek was great. star wars had good characters, a decent base story and good effects. the world/themythos/the races/the surroundings were BUTT UGLY and boring to boot.

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh really? was i asleep when i beat omega mk2?

Obvisouly was'nt want was on about jackass, you were talking about the events before not boss battles




How the **** would i know about resistance if i have'nt played it and Gears did have a lil bit of depth well some people found....



Please....don't tell me to play more good games i've probably waaaaaaay more then you.

leonheartmm
its kinda like the difference between street fighter and mortal combat. the second one is just made of fail{although maybe a slightly different kind}, its tacky and dephtless in all areas.

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm
says who? it was good for its time but cmon. if you want a REAL space opera watch firefly/various manga based space operas of the time. or play xenogears/xenosaga/mass effect.

star trek was great. star wars had good characters, a decent base story and good effects. the world/themythos/the races/the surroundings were BUTT UGLY and boring to boot.

Yeah whatever......unlike you some peole do find Star Wars good.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
Obvisouly was'nt want was on about jackass, you were talking about the events before not boss battles




How the **** would i know about resistance if i have'nt played it and Gears did have a lil bit of depth well some people found....



Please....don't tell me to play more good games i've probably waaaaaaay more then you.

erm, mk2 requires u to almost COMPLETE the game, as in do everything. it was a subtle sign towards me not being asleep.

then why did u say i was asleep when i stated that it was crap?

i doubt it.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah whatever......unlike you some peole do find Star Wars good.

as a classic, sure. it was revolutionary. and people in the 70s-80s held a speial place for it in their heart.

but still, no sustitute for its lack of substance. just a new age american golden boy with daddy issues married to the tech revolution and the damsell in distress.

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, mk2 requires u to almost COMPLETE the game, as in do everything. it was a subtle sign towards me not being asleep.

then why did u say i was asleep when i stated that it was crap?

Nevermind then you just don't get it.........




Well i do........i don't "JUST" plauy console games i also play PC titles.

-Pr-
Originally posted by FWahMaN
Mainly because of the fake trailers made most likely to decieve. One such as:Lmw78t8NgIE

This is pretty much what I meant. If I'm misunderstanding the intended meaning of "all flash but no substance" then sorry. byez now.

you honestly thought that was supposed to be a gameplay trailer?

Ridley_Prime
Wow, this thread kinda got derailed quick...

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Most fighting games...
Anyhow, yeah. I support this notion more than anything.

Kazenji
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Wow, this thread kinda got derailed quick...


Point the finger at Leonhearmm.....as usual.

leonheartmm
Originally posted by Kazenji
then why did u say i was asleep when i stated that it was crap?

Nevermind then you just don't get it.........




Well i do........i don't "JUST" plauy console games i also play PC titles.

as do i.

FinalAnswer

Smasandian
I think some people are misinterpreting what the thread means.

It's not what game you don't like, but what game has nice graphics but no game play.

One comes to mind is: Mirrors Edge. Great art design, and style but game play is shallow.

In my mind, Halo and Gears of War are not shallow but full experiences. Bioshock also.

Peach
Originally posted by leonheartmm
hell YES. star wars is an ugly universe, all desert and geeky tech{and not in a good way like the way the new gods are geeky etc}. the races are bland and uninteresting, infact the design of everything from the storm troopers to the jedi is boring. the older designs of final fantasy 6 and 9 were a lot better/colourful/original, worlds/music/feel/races n all.


Good job showing your ignorance of Star Wars.

No End N Site
Originally posted by Juk3n
Been playing for 2 days, friend - contact - workplace - stolen, anyway, yes ive been playing a while.

Well...I will most surely take your thoughts into consideration when I go to Game-Stop later today.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by Smasandian
I think some people are misinterpreting what the thread means.

It's not what game you don't like, but what game has nice graphics but no game play.


That's exactly what I thought.

Sin_Volvagia
Rise of the Robots.

That's a gam that's all graphics and no gameplay.

You all fail.

Alpha Centauri
Originally posted by Smasandian
I think some people are misinterpreting what the thread means.

It's not what game you don't like, but what game has nice graphics but no game play.

One comes to mind is: Mirrors Edge. Great art design, and style but game play is shallow.

In my mind, Halo and Gears of War are not shallow but full experiences. Bioshock also.

There's way more substance to the gameplay of Gears and Bioshock. Same for story in the latter.

-AC

Kazenji
Originally posted by leonheartmm
as do i.

So then shut up and stop telling me to play Good games and on that Good games are only in the eyes of the beholder...

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