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who wins this fight... No PIS or CIS

Gog wins.

Prime wins. Gog can't touch him IMO and can't avoid getting his head taken off with planet-pushing and destroying strength.

prime. Pushes planets like a normal person moves a soccer ball. Doesn't he claim to be able to time travel in crises of three worlds?

Prime punch his head off..

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gog wins.

based on?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Prime wins. Gog can't touch him IMO and can't avoid getting his head taken off with planet-pushing and destroying strength. I disagree with your opinion that Prime is faster, due mainly to the fact that Gog had absolutely no problem tracking, and blasting, KC Flash:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/237/gog1.jpg

Furthermore, even when Rip stepped in between nanoseconds to try a sneak attack, Gog still effortlessly tracked/grabbed him:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4710/gog2.jpg
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1034/gog3.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4422/gog4a.jpg

As for Gog's offensive capabilities, not only was he able to own numerous versions of Superman throughout Hypertime (including KC), but the power of a dozen red suns was among the numerous exotic powers his staff housed:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2871/gog5.jpg


In a nutshell: I can't imagine Prime's speed gaining him any sort of edge, and Gog packs more than enough 'wallop' to own him one on one. Just MO.

gog

IMO Gog is like Thor on crack with out some few powers.

Gog wins this, he has way too much going for him while SBP is just a flying brick with a few extra powers.

Originally posted by The Nuul
IMO Gog is like Thor on crack.....

Gog wins this, he has way too much going for him while SBP is just a flying brick with a few extra powers.

its not a contest of who got more preety powers but its a fight and all that SBP need is his world breaking punches and his great speed to punch gogs head off ftw

is that superman owning superboy prime?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/battle59.jpg

Originally posted by falcon_shot
is that superman owning superboy prime?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/battle59.jpg Note the red sun in the background.

Originally posted by Galan007
Note the red sun in the background.

but still superboy prime is suppose to be much stronger then superman

and this is superman owning prime so prime had to use kryptonite

http://frankensteinsninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/supermanic.jpg

so basically superman is stronger then superboy prime?

and this is flash owning prime

http://media.photobucket.com/image/superboy%20prime%20vs/aarons24/superman%20prime/aaloutbart.jpg

is prime good for anything?

Originally posted by Galan007
Note the red sun in the background.
...and the ground filled with Kryptonite.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
but still superboy prime is suppose to be much stronger then superman
It doesn't matter. At that point all three were depowered to human levels.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
...and the ground filled with Kryptonite.
Kryptonite had no effect on Prime since his Universe's Krypton never exploded, in fact that just made Superman's defeat of Prime all the more impressive because he was in unimaginable pain at the time.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
and this is flash owning prime

http://media.photobucket.com/image/superboy%20prime%20vs/aarons24/superman%20prime/aaloutbart.jpg

is prime good for anything?
He owned the combined JSA, Teen Titans, and Doom Patrol at the same time. You clearly don't know a damn thing about him.

Prime wins

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He owned the combined JSA, Teen Titans, and Doom Patrol at the same time. You clearly don't know a damn thing about him.

i saw both superman and flash own him and black adam also gave him a beating

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He owned the combined JSA, Teen Titans, and Doom Patrol at the same time. You clearly don't know a damn thing about him.

Hes just a troll...not worth the argument.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Kryptonite had no effect on Prime since his Universe's Krypton never exploded, in fact that just made Superman's defeat of Prime all the more impressive because he was in unimaginable pain at the time.
My point exactly. Superman had it worse since he was weak to both red sun radiation and Kryptonite.

It also shows that Superman can be stronger than SBP in dire situations.

no it didnt because the red sun cancel there powers so while superboy prime had the stronger powers with the effect of the red sun and kryptonite it was basically an injured grown up man vs a kid

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
My point exactly. Superman had it worse since he was weak to both red sun radiation and Kryptonite.

It also shows that Superman can be stronger than SBP in dire situations. It shows that Superman's energy reserves are more extensive, yes.

Yo.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
but still superboy prime is suppose to be much stronger then superman

under normal circumstances, sure.

these werent them.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
and this is superman owning prime so prime had to use kryptonite

http://frankensteinsninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/supermanic.jpg

so basically superman is stronger then superboy prime?

2 un-powered kryptonians fighting, and 1 using the k-rock.....as a ROCK.

makes sense actually.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
and this is flash owning prime

http://media.photobucket.com/image/superboy%20prime%20vs/aarons24/superman%20prime/aaloutbart.jpg

is prime good for anything?

Bart hurt himself doing that actually......

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Kryptonite had no effect on Prime since his Universe's Krypton never exploded, in fact that just made Superman's defeat of Prime all the more impressive because he was in unimaginable pain at the time.

actually, it has more to do w/not being a native to that universe, and as such no other universe's k-rock would affect him.




Tazer

Originally posted by Galan007
I disagree with your opinion that Prime is faster, due mainly to the fact that Gog had absolutely no problem tracking, and blasting, KC Flash:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/237/gog1.jpg
We've done this one before. That's not KC Flash. Nevertheless, I took that scan into consideration when posting my 'faster than' comment, and stand by it. I mean, Bart had to absorb the entire Speed Force just to outrace Prime. And Prime breaking out of the Speed Force under his own power makes him automatically faster than light. And there's no way of knowing how fast Flash was traveling in that panel, but its safe to say it was not lightspeed or higher.

Originally posted by Galan007
Furthermore, even when Rip stepped in between nanoseconds to try a sneak attack, Gog still effortlessly tracked/grabbed him:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4710/gog2.jpg
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/1034/gog3.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/4422/gog4a.jpg
I actually forgot about that, so...I have a weak rationalization. See if you buy it: While its true that Rip stepped between nanoseconds, he wasn't using it in an offensive, speedblitz-like manner. He's trying to sneak up on him. And we know that Gog controls his alternate bodies transtemporally and has control over time to a limited degree via Hypertime, so those scans to me don't necessarily prove that Gog has faster-than-nanosecond reaction time.

*shrug* What do you think?

Originally posted by Galan007
As for Gog's offensive capabilities, not only was he able to own numerous versions of Superman throughout Hypertime (including KC), but the power of a dozen red suns was among the numerous exotic powers his staff housed:
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2871/gog5.jpg
Yup. But it didn't put down all the alternate Supermen in one-hit, so I feel safe in assuming it won't drop Prime in a single hit. Then again, me giving Prime the win hinges on him being faster than Gog and not taking any hits. Aside from that, though, and as you know - Prime's HV is powerful enough to go right through mainstream Superman, so his energy output packs quite a punch, too.

Originally posted by Enyalus
We've done this one before. That's not KC Flash. Nevertheless, I took that scan into consideration when posting my 'faster than' comment, and stand by it. I mean, Bart had to absorb the entire Speed Force just to outrace Prime. And Prime breaking out of the Speed Force under his own power makes him automatically faster than light. And there's no way of knowing how fast Flash was traveling in that panel, but its safe to say it was not lightspeed or higher. It was still *a* Flash -- *a* Flash who was traveling fast enough to energize the particles in front of him as he moved. Aside from that, almost every Flash (even Jay) has blitzed Prime. That was my main point there.

Light speed is the speed required to enter the SF -- never heard of a speed requirement to exit it, though..? In fact, I remember one instance in which a Flash (can remember which one) entered the SF and was able to return home simply by thinking it, because he had strong enough of an emotional anchor.
mmm

Regardless, Prime does not have the battle speed to harm Gog. Imo.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I actually forgot about that, so...I have a weak rationalization. See if you buy it: While its true that Rip stepped between nanoseconds, he wasn't using it in an offensive, speedblitz-like manner. He's trying to sneak up on him. And we know that Gog controls his alternate bodies transtemporally and has control over time to a limited degree via Hypertime, so those scans to me don't necessarily prove that Gog has faster-than-nanosecond reaction time.

*shrug* What do you think? Meh, Rip was still stepping in between nanoseconds, yet Gog (while simultaneously battling several others) still spotted and snagged him. I think that denotes superior speed, especially when you consider Rip's comment just before attempting the sneak attack: "no one's ever bothered to clock Gog's speed... But if I use the power of these wrist bands to step in between nanoseconds, I have to be faster than him":
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4710/gog2.jpg

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yup. But it didn't put down all the alternate Supermen in one-hit, so I feel safe in assuming it won't drop Prime in a single hit. Then again, me giving Prime the win hinges on him being faster than Gog and not taking any hits. Aside from that, though, and as you know - Prime's HV is powerful enough to go right through mainstream Superman, so his energy output packs quite a punch, too. Prime is quite weak to red sun radiation, though -- it's his Achilles' heel:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs7.jpg

Now multiply those physical red sun radiation attacks by a factor of 12, and then concentrate them into an energy blast... Just saying.


As for Prime's HV -- Gog could likely absorb it, imo:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/th_gog_powers3.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
It was still *a* Flash -- *a* Flash who was traveling fast enough to energize the particles in front of him as he moved. Aside from that, almost every Flash (even Jay) has blitzed Prime. That was my main point there.
Didn't he outrace Bart to the Fortress in Lo3W?

Originally posted by Galan007
Light speed is the speed required to enter the SF -- never heard of a speed requirement to exit it, though..? In fact, I remember one instance in which a Flash (can remember which one) entered the SF and was able to return home simply by thinking it, because he had strong enough of an emotional anchor.
mmm
I think you have to be going FTL to enter the SF, as the SF is the thing that lies "beyond light." But erm...Wally in Flash #111 (I think) after entering the Speed Force, had to vibrate his body at a certain frequency to avoid being dispersed into the Force like what happened with Savitar, and then thought of Linda as his anchor to snap back home.

But hey, Barry Allen raced out of the SF. So did Max Mercury with Barry's help. So its not impossible to race your way out of it (hell, Bart did it too when absorbing the entire thing.) Point is, you have to be going bloody damn fast to do it. And if it requires you to being going lightspeed or just higher than lightspeed to enter it, it stands to reason you'd need to do that or faster to exit.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, Rip was still stepping in between nanoseconds, yet Gog (while simultaneously battling several others) still spotted and snagged him. I think that denotes superior speed, especially when you consider Rip's comment just before attempting the sneak attack: "no one's ever bothered to clock Gog's speed... But if I use the power of these wrist bands to step in between nanoseconds, I have to be faster than him."
True...alright.

Originally posted by Galan007
Prime is quite weak to red sun radiation, though -- it's his Achilles' heel:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs7.jpg

Now multiply those physical red sun radiation attacks by a factor of 12, and then concentrate them into an energy blast... Just saying.
Yeah. He also took multiple red sun blasts from Sun Boys. I know it hurts him. But that just pisses him off. Ala like Monarch's blasts hurting him did. He didn't go down from them. He just got madder.

Originally posted by Galan007
As for Prime's HV -- Gog could likely absorb it, imo:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj172/galan007_pics/th_gog_powers3.jpg
Touche, good sir. I'll have to resort to the punching argument again.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Prime wins. Gog can't touch him IMO and can't avoid getting his head taken off with planet-pushing and destroying strength.

Didn't you say Gog wins in my thread? Guardian amped prime vs KC Gog?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Didn't you say Gog wins in my thread? Guardian amped prime vs KC Gog?
I did. But CIS is off in this thread.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Didn't he outrace Bart to the Fortress in Lo3W? Not sure... And WAY too lazy to look lol.

Originally posted by Enyalus
But hey, Barry Allen raced out of the SF. So did Max Mercury with Barry's help. So its not impossible to race your way out of it (hell, Bart did it too when absorbing the entire thing.) Point is, you have to be going bloody damn fast to do it. And if it requires you to being going lightspeed or just higher than lightspeed to enter it, it stands to reason you'd need to do that or faster to exit. M'kay, but Prime was supposedly trapped under a red sun for years before he got out. Having said that, I find it extremely hard to believe that he would have been able to to exit said prison under his own power, and at FTL speeds no less... In fact, I don't believe that at all.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah. He also took multiple red sun blasts from Sun Boys. I know it hurts him. But that just pisses him off. Ala like Monarch's blasts hurting him did. He didn't go down from them. He just got madder. He's never felt anything like teh staff powa before.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not sure... And WAY too lazy to look lol.
I just had this convo with Big C in PM. My backup hard drive is on the other side of the room, and I'm way too lazy to grab it, drag it over here and plug it in.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I just had this convo with Big C in PM. My backup hard drive is on the other side of the room, and I'm way too lazy to grab it, drag it over here and plug it in. Heh, my external hard drive is PLUGGED IN, and I still can't conjure the energy to look up that issue.

That is a whole different level of laziness.

You win.

Originally posted by Enyalus
You win. I don't think I want to win that title, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think I want to win that title, though.
Then I win. 'Cause I'm a winner.

He did outrace him, but Bart might have been Zig Zagging.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He did outrace him, but Bart might have been Zig Zagging.
So was Prime. He was making letters by doing it.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Prime wins. Gog can't touch him IMO and can't avoid getting his head taken off with planet-pushing and destroying strength. You really think Gog can't touch him? He is much faster and his reactionary feats blow Prime's out of the water.

Originally posted by falcon_shot
based on? The kingdom. Originally posted by xJLxKing
Prime wins I don't think you know who kindgom gog is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You really think Gog can't touch him? He is much faster and his reactionary feats blow Prime's out of the water.
With CIS off, no, I don't think Gog touches him.

Now in the other thread with CIS on, I gave Gog the win over GA Prime.

Originally posted by Enyalus
With CIS off, no, I don't think Gog touches him.

Now in the other thread with CIS on, I gave Gog the win over GA Prime. If Gog can easily tag Flash he is definitely tagging Prime with the power of twelve red suns. Gog is the Superman destroyer.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Gog can easily tag Flash he is definitely tagging Prime with the power of twelve red suns. Gog is the Superman destroyer.
Deathstroke has tagged Flash before. Doesn't mean much when you don't know how fast he was traveling. That and it wasn't the mainstream Flash.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Deathstroke has tagged Flash before. Doesn't mean much when you don't know how fast he was traveling. That and it wasn't the mainstream Flash. He said he had better than nanosecond reactionary feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He said he had better than nanosecond reactionary feats.
Who? Flash or Gog?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Who? Flash or Gog? Gog.