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Logan's new enemies vs his old enemies.

Gorgon is not allowed stone stare.

Which team wins?

Gorgon solos. He take his glasses off and stone stare all of them.

No one on team 2 can beat gorgon.

Omega red is the only problem and he would get blitzed from the start of the fight.

Team one dont even need Daken for this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Gorgon solos. He take his glasses off and stone stare all of them. um..I specified he can't use stone stare.

Team two.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um..I specified he can't use stone stare.

Yeah, I reread it thats why I change my post. Read the one below that.

Dont include gorgon, the guy have speed on quicksilver level, probably better.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Team two.

Why. Red would get blitzed from the start of the fight.

not better then current quicksliver or even closes, but I get what you mean.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not better then current quicksliver or even closes, but I get what you mean.

Let me prove this. Wait a sec

Originally posted by carver9
Why. Red would get blitzed from the start of the fight.
I find that doubtful. Red extremely fast and though gorgon faster he gpoing to have a hard time taking red down, red armor is rediculous and his damage soak is absurd and if he is able to get a hold of gorgon, gorgon in trouble.

Then you got sabre-tooth and cyber there as well.

also I not sure if gorgon could read reds or cybers minds.

Originally posted by carver9
Let me prove this. Wait a sec
current quicksilver ran across the world and back in like two pannels.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I find that doubtful. Red extremely fast and though gorgon faster he gpoing to have a hard time taking red down, red armor is rediculous and his damage soak is absurd and if he is able to get a hold of gorgon, gorgon in trouble.

Then you got sabre-tooth and cyber there as well.

also I not sure if gorgon could read reds or cybers minds. what about Mister X and daken

daken has muramasa, remember.

and mister x can handle sabretooth if he can handle logan

Originally posted by Battlehammer
not better then current quicksliver or even closes, but I get what you mean.

Ok, 1st we have this feat but this isnt why I'm saying what I'm saying about gorgons speed.....

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2563/origin3.jpg

Ok, you clearly see gorgon at least a mile away from wolverine in this scan.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3919/gorgonpreparingtostrike.jpg

Then as soon as wolverine has an opening Gorgon teleport blitz him. Wolverine didnt even get the chance to register him or put up a defense.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9845/sneakattack1.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4935/sneakattack2.jpg

Thats some quicksilver sh**

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I find that doubtful. Red extremely fast and though gorgon faster he gpoing to have a hard time taking red down, red armor is rediculous and his damage soak is absurd and if he is able to get a hold of gorgon, gorgon in trouble.

Then you got sabre-tooth and cyber there as well.

also I not sure if gorgon could read reds or cybers minds.

Red isnt close to the speed gorgon is at. Two different speed levels.

Red would get blitzed from the get go along with Sabertooth and Cyber.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what about Mister X and daken

daken has muramasa, remember.

and mister x can handle sabretooth if he can handle logan
I kinda forgot about that. Daken does have the blade which could make him a huge threat with the pheramones.



Mister X would be hard pressed to take out sabre-tooth.

Though now that I re think about this it a lot closer then I thought.

Originally posted by carver9
Red isnt close to the speed gorgon is at. Two different speed levels.

Red would get blitzed from the get go along with Sabertooth and Cyber.
His relfexes I closes enough and he a lot faster then your giving him credit.



Now way he blizt all three. He extremely fast yes, but he not untouchable as wolverine showed us, and sabre-tooth and omega red are as faster if not faster then wolverine

Originally posted by Battlehammer
current quicksilver ran across the world and back in like two pannels.

Im not talking about current, I'm talking about Classic quicksilver.

Originally posted by Battlehammer


Though now that I re think about this it a lot closer then I thought. lol I thought so when I made it

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, 1st we have this feat but this isnt why I'm saying what I'm saying about gorgons speed.....

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2563/origin3.jpg

Ok, you clearly see gorgon at least a mile away from wolverine in this scan.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3919/gorgonpreparingtostrike.jpg

Then as soon as wolverine has an opening Gorgon teleport blitz him. Wolverine didnt even get the chance to register him or put up a defense.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9845/sneakattack1.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4935/sneakattack2.jpg

Thats some quicksilver sh**
I own that entire arc...........


I know and current quicksilver is far faster

Originally posted by Battlehammer
His relfexes I closes enough and he a lot faster then your giving him credit.



Now way he blizt all three. He extremely fast yes, but he not untouchable as wolverine showed us, and sabre-tooth and omega red are as faster if not faster then wolverine

Red and Gorgon reflexes isnt close at all. I can post feats for days proving this.

The only time wolverine touched gorgon was during sneak attacks. Gorgon crushed Wolverine and Elektra together without them even landing a lick.

Wolverine then teleported on him and landed with him off of a roof and THEN thats when he got licks but besides that Wolverine got blitzed the entire time while commenting on how fast Gorgon was.

Hell, Elektra couldnt even touch him in their first run in.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I own that entire arc...........


I know and current quicksilver is far faster

I know current quicksilver is, I'm talking about Classic quicksilver.

Hell, current quicksilver is almost as fast as Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Red and Gorgon reflexes isnt close at all. I can post feats for days proving this.

The only time wolverine touched gorgon was during sneak attacks. Gorgon crushed Wolverine and Elektra together without them even landing a lick.

Wolverine then teleported on him and landed with him off of a roof and THEN thats when he got licks but besides that Wolverine got blitzed the entire time while commenting on how fast Gorgon was.

Hell, Elektra couldnt even touch him in their first run in.
Closes enough he could tag him.


No it not they fought straight up in a bulding and wolverine him a few times.

He did comment how fast he was, but again he was able to tagg him in one on one fight. sure gorgon faster, but he not gunna go untouch by them.

That is true.

team alive vs team dead is what it should be called lol.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Closes enough he could tag him.


No it not they fought straight up in a bulding and wolverine him a few times.

He did comment how fast he was, but again he was able to tagg him in one on one fight. sure gorgon faster, but he not gunna go untouch by them.

That is true.

The only way Wolverine got any licks off of him was due to the fact that first he snuck Gorgon, throwing him off of a roof and then he pressed his attack. Out of all the face to face fights between gorgon, Wolverine was unable to even land one lick. Look at this fight, Wolverine couldnt even tag him with the aid of elektra.

Again, Wolverine commenting on his speed. The sad thing was Gorgon then put his attention on some hand ninjas and still whipped Woly a**.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

Seem pretty untouchable if you ask me and that was against two metas with Super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
The only way Wolverine got any licks off of him was due to the fact that first he snuck Gorgon, throwing him off of a roof and then he pressed his attack. Out of all the face to face fights between gorgon, Wolverine was unable to even land one lick. Look at this fight, Wolverine couldnt even tag him with the aid of elektra.

Again, Wolverine commenting on his speed. The sad thing was Gorgon then put his attention on some hand ninjas and still whipped Woly a**.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

Seem pretty untouchable if you ask me and that was against two metas with Super speed.
He came at him and gorgon was up and jsut as healthy if not more so then wolverine.

They had one real one on one fight.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8227/gorgonvswolverine3.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4759/gorgonvswolverine4.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3065/gorgonvswolverine5.th.jpg

Gorgon would own wolverine, but he not untouchable. He fast, faster then they are, but they can and will tag him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He came at him and gorgon was up and jsut as healthy if not more so then wolverine.

They had one real one on one fight.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8227/gorgonvswolverine3.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4759/gorgonvswolverine4.th.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3065/gorgonvswolverine5.th.jpg

OOOKKKAAAYYY, again, he was thrown off of a roof, that had a toll on him no matter how you put it.

I dont even know why you put that fight up when in that same fight, when gorgon got himself together, he blitzed Wolverine yet again.

Is Wolverine slow, oh hell no, he is one of the fastest street levels out there, Gorgon is just much faster than him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
team alive vs team dead is what it should be called lol. red and cyber died?

Originally posted by carver9
OOOKKKAAAYYY, again, he was thrown off of a roof, that had a toll on him no matter how you put it.

I dont even know why you put that fight up when in that same fight, when gorgon got himself together, he blitzed Wolverine yet again.

Is Wolverine slow, oh hell no, he is one of the fastest street levels out there, Gorgon is just much faster than him.
would that be more then the toll on wolverine who actaully has organs that can be damage? doubtful.


He did not need to get himself to gather he was togather. He simply got tagged, becuase he not untouchable.

Gorgon is a lot faster, but not so fast wolverien can't tagg him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
red and cyber died?
yea.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Gorgon would own wolverine, but he not untouchable. He fast, faster then they are, but they can and will tag him.

He seem pretty untouchable to me.

Fought Wolverine AND Elektra and didnt get touched not once.

Fought Elektra on the roof, didnt get touched.

Fought elektra AGAIN alongside some shield agents that couldnt touch him with bullets and he didnt get touched again.

Fought a speedsterr who is on quicksilver level, slingshot, along with other Super humans and didnt get touched.

I'm not saying that he is untouchable but to people in this battle he has proven that he should be able to blitz them easily.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
would that be more then the toll on wolverine who actaully has organs that can be damage? doubtful.


He did not need to get himself to gather he was togather. He simply got tagged, becuase he not untouchable.

Gorgon is a lot faster, but not so fast wolverien can't tagg him.

He proved that Wolverine cant touch him.

How much faster do you think Wolverine is than Elektra?

Originally posted by carver9
He seem pretty untouchable to me.

Fought Wolverine AND Elektra and didnt get touched not once.

Fought Elektra on the roof, didnt get touched.

Fought elektra AGAIN alongside some shield agents that couldnt touch him with bullets and he didnt get touched again.

Fought a speedsterr who is on quicksilver level, slingshot, along with other Super humans and didnt get touched.

I'm not saying that he is untouchable but to people in this battle he has proven that he should be able to blitz them easily.
blizt them all is rediculous.

He been tagged by wolverine, stone wall. he not untouchable. He fast really fast, but some idea that he blizt all three into the ground with out being touch is absurd and vast overestimation of gorgon.

Originally posted by carver9
He proved that Wolverine cant touch him.

How much faster do you think Wolverine is than Elektra?
wolverine touch him though......


depends wolverine fighting like he was vs gorgon not being fancy and just letting the beast come out can be quite fast. Which is why he started to do better, though not that he was going to win by any imagitination, but he showed he can tagg gorgon.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
blizt them all is rediculous.

He been tagged by wolverine, stone wall. he not untouchable. He fast really fast, but some idea that he blizt all three into the ground with out being touch is absurd and vast overestimation of gorgon.

I never said all 3 but I know he can take red out any time he wants. Again, how much faster do you think Wolverine is over Elektra?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wolverine touch him though......


depends wolverine fighting like he was vs gorgon not being fancy and just letting the beast come out can be quite fast. Which is why he started to do better, though not that he was going to win by any imagitination, but he showed he can tagg gorgon.

Whats the difference in speed between Wolverine and Elektra?

Originally posted by carver9
I never said all 3 but I know he can take red out any time he wants. Again, how much faster do you think Wolverine is over Elektra?
Does not matter how much faster I think he is. We saw what he could do. He tagged him straight up. Also much of it may have been do to the fact his TP blocker was up.

stonewall hit him as well twice.

Him taking red out right away seems a stretch, he not going to be able to read reds mind like he did wolverien and elektra. red never shown to be effected by tp or any mental attack. He also much more durable then wolverine, heals as fast and has rediculous armor and can drain life from all around him.

Is gorgon and X going to have weapons to harm OR and Cyber? tehy are both covered with some pretty damn good armor. (i guess they can stab cyber in the chin but..w/e)

actaully the telepathy woudl work on read my mistake and with his current god slayer sword, he should be able to cleave right into red. so yea he take down red relatively fast though speed blizt I disagree with. Red to durable and powerful to be blizt right away and beaten. He bee beaten but he last a little while.

Death-spores are going to take X out as soon as he gets into range, so the fight is going to be 2 on 3, and as badass as Gorgon is I don't think can solo any combination of two of these guys.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Death-spores are going to take X out as soon as he gets into range, so the fight is going to be 2 on 3, and as badass as Gorgon is I don't think can solo any combination of two of these guys. you're forgetting daken

also, would red even use death spores? he has to consider his teammates as well

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Death-spores are going to take X out as soon as he gets into range, so the fight is going to be 2 on 3, and as badass as Gorgon is I don't think can solo any combination of two of these guys.
Thats another thing as well I did not think about.

Though Daken could be a problem sicne he can potential one shot anyone on the other team.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thats another thing as well I did not think about.
doubt red will use death spores...he has teammates to consider.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're forgetting daken

also, would red even use death spores? he has to consider his teammates as well
he has rediculous control over the death spores.

plus his team all have healing factors.

Originally posted by Starscream M
doubt red will use death spores...he has teammates to consider.
he can control them with rediculous accuracy.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Does not matter how much faster I think he is. We saw what he could do. He tagged him straight up. Also much of it may have been do to the fact his TP blocker was up.

stonewall hit him as well twice.

Him taking red out right away seems a stretch, he not going to be able to read reds mind like he did wolverien and elektra. red never shown to be effected by tp or any mental attack.

Its a reason why I asked that and think about it, it was the last showdown between gorgon and Wolvy, of course they will let him hit gorgon, it wouldnt have been interesting if he didnt but that still dont take away from everything that happened before that.

Wolverine commented a lot about Gorgon speed even stating that he never fought anyone that fast and Wolverine fought almost everyone in Marvel.

Gorgon would WTF blitz red and on panel proof proves this. You are ignoring it. Red dont have the speed feats comparable to someone like Gorgon. I showed you him standing a mile away from Wolverine and running up to Wolverine almost instantly stabbing him. Thats out of Reds speed range and Gorgon is more than capable of using that speed in combat.

Show me a speed feat from red surpassing this....

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/456/gorgonvselektra2.jpg

or this.....

Cutting 6 men instantly....

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3632/gorgonvsshield1.jpg

Or this....

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2107/telepathy2.jpg

Or him moving at the speed of thought.

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7757/telepathy1.jpg

Or this...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2563/origin3.jpg

Hell, his bio even have his speed marked over the speed of sound.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9854/gorgonbio.jpg

Or this...

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2209/gorgonvssecretwarriors2.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5881/gorgonvssecretwarriors3.jpg

"No one is that fast" I wonder why everyone say that about him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he can control them with rediculous accuracy.

It wont work on gorgon and he wont get the chance to use it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you're forgetting daken

also, would red even use death spores? he has to consider his teammates as well

Everyone on his team should be able to withstand the death-spores for the five seconds it takes to down X. Not to mention Arkady as a great deal of control on the ability.

Gorgan is not going to be able to blitz all three of his opponents here.

Sure he's fast, but OR and Sabretooth as pretty fast too.

The only chance they really have to put Cyber down is to have Daken use the Muramasa claws, but then again, Cyber pretty much dominated Daken last time they fought iirc.

Also, X is going to have a tough time hanging with anyone on team 2, due to his very limited damage soak/durability comapred to everyone else on the field. + OR pheramones will screw X over.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
he can control them with rediculous accuracy. cyber doesn't really have a good hf

the opposing team also has good hf

Thanks for posting issues I have read before.....awesome....... and own........

Originally posted by Starscream M
cyber doesn't really have a good hf

the opposing team also has good hf
depends which cyber, it was good enough to have all his skin turn to adamatium.....

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Gorgan is not going to be able to blitz all three of his opponents here.

Sure he's fast, but OR and Sabretooth as pretty fast too.

The only chance they really have to put Cyber down is to have Daken use the Muramasa claws, but then again, Cyber pretty much dominated Daken last time they fought iirc.

Also, X is going to have a tough time hanging with anyone on team 2, due to his very limited damage soak/durability comapred to everyone else on the field. + OR pheramones will screw X over. team 2 is gonna have trouble landing even a hit on Mr. X

you're forgetting daken's pheromones will be affecting team 2 as well

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Gorgan is not going to be able to blitz all three of his opponents here.

Sure he's fast, but OR and Sabretooth as pretty fast too.

The only chance they really have to put Cyber down is to have Daken use the Muramasa claws, but then again, Cyber pretty much dominated Daken last time they fought iirc.

Also, X is going to have a tough time hanging with anyone on team 2, due to his very limited damage soak/durability comapred to everyone else on the field. + OR pheramones will screw X over.

None of them are close to the speed gorgon is so what you just posted is moot and I never said that Gorgon would blitz all 3, just Red since he is the major problem.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Thanks for posting issues I have read before.....awesome....... and own........

I want you to show me something that make you think red can keep up with someone that can move as fast or faster than the speed of sound.

Originally posted by carver9
It wont work on gorgon and he wont get the chance to use it.
This is abusrd statement........

for starters I never said they work on gorgon and there no real reason to think they wont however.

second........whont get a chance to used them? based on what? How easy do you think it is to dropped omega red? Hell I don't even think other then his detah ive ever seen him get dropped.......and he been stabed repeatedly tortured for months on end, taken class 100 shots and laughed them off ect......

Originally posted by Starscream M
team 2 is gonna have trouble landing even a hit on Mr. X

you're forgetting daken's pheromones will be affecting team 2 as well

X doesn't need to be hit when the Death spores kill him.

And yeah, Daken's pheremones might be problematic for the team...

Originally posted by carver9
I want you to show me something that make you think red can keep up with someone that can move as fast or faster than the speed of sound.
I said he hit him, not that he match him it for hit. Wolverine and stone wall have both hit him. Gorgon very fast, but he not untouchable nor can he simply blizt beat red into the ground

Originally posted by Battlehammer
This is abusrd statement........

for starters I never said they work on gorgon and there no real reason to think they wont however.

second........whont get a chance to used them? based on what? How easy do you think it is to dropped omega red? Hell I don't even think other then his detah ive ever seen him get dropped.......and he been stabed repeatedly tortured for months on end, taken class 100 shots and laughed them off ect......

A stab to the head or eye should kill him.

Heres how I see it going down. Red's pheromones are going to take X out of the fight pretty quickly, so I'm thinking Gorgon vs. OR and Sabretooth and Cyber vs. Daken. Even with his pre-death heart weakness, Cyber should be able to hold his own against Daken while Creed and Arkady handle Gorgon. Team two should take the majority.

Also Red has used his pheromones to induce fear before, I wonder if Daken would be able to influence someone with a similar ability.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I said he hit him, not that he match him it for hit. Wolverine and stone wall have both hit him. Gorgon very fast, but he not untouchable nor can he simply blizt beat red into the ground

LOL, quicksilver has been hit before along with flash, that doesnt mean that someone (especially someone like gorgon that use his speed ALL OF THE TIME) would hit him in a forum fight.

Even with CIS on gorgon use his speed 90% of the time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Heres how I see it going down. Red's pheromones are going to take X out of the fight pretty quickly, so I'm thinking Gorgon vs. OR and Sabretooth and Cyber vs. Daken. Even with his pre-death heart weakness, Cyber should be able to hold his own against Daken while Creed and Arkady handle Gorgon. Team two should take the majority.

Also Red has used his pheromones to induce fear before, I wonder if Daken would be able to influence someone with a similar ability.

Thats debatable since Elektra plus shield plus Wolverine wasnt able to take gorgon out.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, quicksilver has been hit before along with flash, that doesnt mean that someone (especially someone like gorgon that use his speed ALL OF THE TIME) would hit him in a forum fight.

Even with CIS on gorgon use his speed 90% of the time.

Yet, he was tagged by a brick with no super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, quicksilver has been hit before along with flash, that doesnt mean that someone (especially someone like gorgon that use his speed ALL OF THE TIME) would hit him in a forum fight.

Even with CIS on gorgon use his speed 90% of the time.
He not the flash or quick silver.


He not untouchable. yes he made elektra look like a chump and he beat on wolverine, wolverine still got swipes in. Red has pwned the shit out of wolverine and colossus at the same tiem after months of tortue and with out even having him armor.

Idea that Gorgon will easily beat him into the ground is absurd.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Yet, he was tagged by a brick with no super speed.

Just like Flash was tagged by gorrilla grod and Deathstroke.

It happens. Going by overrall feats he is a true speedster.

Originally posted by carver9
Thats debatable since Elektra plus shield plus Wolverine wasnt able to take gorgon out.

And Omega Red has solo'd entire X-Men roosters with in seconds.

Originally posted by carver9
A stab to the head or eye should kill him.
when ahs gorgon run up and stabbed some one through the head? espiacially some one with superhuman reflexes and speed?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Omega Red has solo'd entire X-Men roosters with in seconds.
yup

Originally posted by Battlehammer
when ahs gorgon run up and stabbed some one through the head? espiacially some one with superhuman reflexes and speed?

OMG, when you show me red reacting to a blitz like this then we can debate about his reflexes, etc....

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3919/gorgonpreparingtostrike.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9845/sneakattack1.jpg

When you show me red hitting people out of the air that is faster than Classic quicksilver like Gorgon did, then holla at me.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Omega Red has solo'd entire X-Men roosters with in seconds.

How did he solo them? Did he physically take them out or did he use his powers?

I never said that red was weak, the only thing I'm saying is that he cant react to someone like gorgon.

Originally posted by carver9
How did he solo them? Did he physically take them out or did he use his powers?

I never said that red was weak, the only thing I'm saying is that he cant react to someone like gorgon.

Wolverine slugged it out with Gorgon and carved him up. He took more than he gave sure, but he landed blows, the suggestion that Omega Red will be unable to do the same is absurd.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine slugged it out with Gorgon and carved him up. He took more than he gave sure, but he landed blows, the suggestion that Omega Red will be unable to do the same is absurd.

That was the last fight of the issue, of course they will make it where Wolverine land some licks.

Look at everything that happened before that fight.

Originally posted by carver9
That was the last fight of the issue, of course they will make it where Wolverine land some licks.

Look at everything that happened before that fight.

You mean, Gorgon carving up Shield agents & other cannon fodder, so fast they can't react?

Cause you know, Taskmaster can do that. So can Wolverine, and Elektra, and many other low metas & high streets.

If Gorgan can be tagged by Wolverine up close, the nRed can definately tag him, + he has the tendrils for his advantage.

Originally posted by carver9
That was the last fight of the issue, of course they will make it where Wolverine land some licks.

Look at everything that happened before that fight.

He was hitting him when he and Elektra double teamed him as well. In fact Wolverine landed the first hits on Gorgon both times they fought. He was outmatched sure, but he never had an problems with landing blows on Gorgon.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
You mean, Gorgon carving up Shield agents & other cannon fodder, so fast they can't react?

Cause you know, Taskmaster can do that. So can Wolverine, and Elektra, and many other low metas & high streets.

If Gorgan can be tagged by Wolverine up close, the nRed can definately tag him, + he has the tendrils for his advantage.

Wolverine and Elektra together and they still couldnt touch him

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
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Elektra is just as fast as Wolverine and she couldnt even lay a finger on him and he was toying with her.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/456/gorgonvselektra2.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2303/gorgonvselektra3.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5315/gorgonvselektra4.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1527/gorgonvselektra5.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2227/gorgonvselektra6.jpg
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I dont know what else to show you to prove to you the difference in speed and for you to stop bring up Wolverine tagging him IN THE LAST FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was hitting him when he and Elektra double teamed him as well. In fact Wolverine landed the first hits on Gorgon both times they fought. He was outmatched sure, but he never had an problems with landing blows on Gorgon.

OOOHHH, you are talking about this hit when Wolverine TELEPORTED and stabbed a gorgon that wasnt even paying attention to anything and Elektra came over and helped a wolverine that teleported and stabbed gorgon.

Okay, you are right, they did hit him but look what happened afterwards, they couldnt even touch him.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
OMG, when you show me red reacting to a blitz like this then we can debate about his reflexes, etc....

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3919/gorgonpreparingtostrike.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9845/sneakattack1.jpg

When you show me red hitting people out of the air that is faster than Classic quicksilver like Gorgon did, then holla at me.
His back was to him...........and yes he moved pretty fast to get there but wolverine was yelling at the guy during it. The movement of the sword with out wolverien noticing is very fast, but again nothing that says he could straight up blizt the shit out of red who looking right at him. Wolverine done similar feat of blizting soliders who were looking at him and cutting there guns and apearing behind them with out them seeing.

so to say that feat means gorgon will blizt red into the ground is absurd.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
His back was to him...........and yes he moved pretty fast to get there but wolverine was yelling at the guy during it. The movement of the sword with out wolverien noticing is very fast, but again nothing that says he could straight up blizt the shit out of red who looking right at him. Wolverine done similar feat of blizting soliders who were looking at him and cutting there guns and apearing behind them with out them seeing.

so to say that feat means gorgon will blizt red into the ground is absurd.

Wolverine have some amazing speed feats but I NEVER (and I love Wolverine more than any comic character and know almost next to everything about him) seen Wolverine stand a mile from someone and move so fast that he is behind them instantly.

Again, thats some classic quicksilver sh**.

mister x is the weakest link around here just see thunderbolts he was beat up by iron fist, luke cage, nuke, and some freakin robot from agents of atlas he cant fight for shit he is a loser

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine and Elektra together and they still couldnt touch him

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9397/gorgonvswolverineelektr.jpg

Elektra is just as fast as Wolverine and she couldnt even lay a finger on him and he was toying with her.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/456/gorgonvselektra2.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2303/gorgonvselektra3.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5315/gorgonvselektra4.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1527/gorgonvselektra5.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2227/gorgonvselektra6.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3789/gorgonvselektra7.jpg

I dont know what else to show you to prove to you the difference in speed and for you to stop bring up Wolverine tagging him IN THE LAST FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO.
becuase all you have is that instances of gorgon beatin on the two for a few pannels. Then to counter that we have wolverien one on one with him hitting gorgon.


then you have elektra getting schooled, but then we have stonewall hitting gorgon.

so really your just taking feats and ignoring others.

yes gorgon is fast, yes he mvoes at the speed of thought. Yes he faster then anyone elses on the team and faster then spiderman, but he not so fast that he can blizt people like omega red into the ground effortlessly and with out taking some hits of his own.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine have some amazing speed feats but I NEVER (and I love Wolverine more than any comic character and know almost next to everything about him) seen Wolverine stand a mile from someone and move so fast that he is behind them instantly.

Again, thats some classic quicksilver sh**.
That wasent even closes to a mile, you can even tell from the pictures he was only like 50 feet away.

mister x is the weakest link around here just see thunderbolts he was beat up by iron fist, luke cage, nuke, and some freakin robot from agents of atlas he cant fight for shit he is a loser.

There a huge differences between beating on elektra and wolverine some and blizting the shit out of OR and SAB

Originally posted by Battlehammer
becuase all you have is that instances of gorgon beatin on the two for a few pannels. Then to counter that we have wolverien one on one with him hitting gorgon.


then you have elektra getting schooled, but then we have stonewall hitting gorgon.

so really your just taking feats and ignoring others.

yes gorgon is fast, yes he mvoes at the speed of thought. Yes he faster then anyone elses on the team and faster then spiderman, but he not so fast that he can blizt people like omega red into the ground effortlessly and with out taking some hits of his own.

Like I said before, I know he isnt untouchable but I also know that he can blitz red first as soon as the fight starts.

No one on the opposing team can beat him.

Hell, besides Red, I dont think anyone on the other team can beat Mister X.

Gorgon is much faster than Spiderman so I dont know why you brought that up. I showed you his bio and it has his speed far above the speed of sound and he have feats proving this.

Answer this question, do you think there are characters out there that can go throughout comic history without getting tagged by people slower than them?

I wish you stop bringing up the wolvy and gorgon fight because wolvy got blitzed yet again during that fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine have some amazing speed feats but I NEVER (and I love Wolverine more than any comic character and know almost next to everything about him) seen Wolverine stand a mile from someone and move so fast that he is behind them instantly.

Again, thats some classic quicksilver sh**.

Where on Earth are you getting a mile from?

In the scan where Gorgon is watching Logan fight, it looks much more like say, 100m away, as you can clearly see Logan & his opponents.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
There a huge differences between beating on elektra and wolverine some and blizting the shit out of OR and SAB

No its not. There is nothing proving or showing Sabes as being faster than Wolverine.

Hell, Sabertooth fought feral (I think that was her name) and got blitzed throughout the entire fight whereas Wolverine fought her and kept up with her the entire time.

Omega red, dont know many speed feats from him. I have seen almost everything from him and cant recall any speed feats that put him any where close to Wolverines level.

mister x wont be a factor in this fight at all he will lose to anyone of the second team

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Where on Earth are you getting a mile from?

In the scan where Gorgon is watching Logan fight, it looks much more like say, 100m away, as you can clearly see Logan & his opponents.

Now show me someone besides gorgon in this thread pulling a similar feat.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said before, I know he isnt untouchable but I also know that he can blitz red first as soon as the fight starts.

No one on the opposing team can beat him.

Hell, besides Red, I dont think anyone on the other team can beat Mister X.

Gorgon is much faster than Spiderman so I dont know why you brought that up. I showed you his bio and it has his speed far above the speed of sound and he have feats proving this.


I wish you stop bringing up the wolvy and gorgon fight because wolvy got blitzed yet again during that fight.
again you assume he can easily blizt red and take him out. again when has red ever been taken out? The dudes a walking team wrecker who laughs at boozaka shots, colossus bunches, wolveriens stabbs ect. the idea that gorgon going to jsut blizt him for a fast KO is absurd.

.......sabre-tooth would beast X.......

he has speed feats to back speed of thought.....sound not so much.


why because it contradicts your enitre argument?

Originally posted by carver9
Now show me someone besides gorgon in this thread pulling a similar feat.

Running up on someone who isn't taking any notice, and is focused on something else entirely and stabbing them in the back?

Either way, he can run fast, but got tagged by Logan in combat.

And Gorgan can by no means travel, let alone fight, faster than the speed of sound, he has absolutely no feats to back that statistic up.

Originally posted by carver9
No its not. There is nothing proving or showing Sabes as being faster than Wolverine.

Hell, Sabertooth fought feral (I think that was her name) and got blitzed throughout the entire fight whereas Wolverine fought her and kept up with her the entire time.

Omega red, dont know many speed feats from him. I have seen almost everything from him and cant recall any speed feats that put him any where close to Wolverines level.
except you know wolverien stating it several times.........

then sabre-tooth beat the shit out of wolverine and killed feral.......which contrdicts her blizting him in the first place.......

the fact he easily keeps pace with wolverine and man handles him, or the fact he easily runs down sports cars.....or deflects bullets......

gorgon is not that great just read secret warriors 12 gorgon did defeat that creture but he was also hurt he isnt that great at all and mister x sucks ass he gets beat up by everyone

Out of interest, is this Sabes with Adamantium?

If so, noone is taking him out. I mean, w/o the metal bones he still took about 100 bullets from Deadpool at close range and was still able to fight him in h2h, so with the adamantium he's going to be damn near impossible to kill for the other team (apart from Daken I guess, but imo Sabretooth would murder Daken in a fight)

Originally posted by Battlehammer
again you assume he can easily blizt red and take him out. again when has red ever been taken out? The dudes a walking team wrecker who laughs at boozaka shots, colossus bunches, wolveriens stabbs ect. the idea that gorgon going to jsut blizt him for a fast KO is absurd.

.......sabre-tooth would beast X.......

he has speed feats to back speed of thought.....sound not so much.


why because it contradicts your enitre argument?

The reason I said dont bring it up is because it goes against you since Wolvy got blitzed yet again.

Here is your one page that you can use as an argument (a fail argument since gorgon fell off of a roof and was still on the ground. Looked hurt to me. ).

Then we have this happening after Wolverine got some cuts in.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4759/gorgonvswolverine4.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3065/gorgonvswolverine5.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8492/gorgonvswolverine6.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2298/gorgonvswolverine7.jpg

Wolverine gets blitzed yet again.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
except you know wolverien stating it several times.........

then sabre-tooth beat the shit out of wolverine and killed feral.......which contrdicts her blizting him in the first place.......

the fact he easily keeps pace with wolverine and man handles him, or the fact he easily runs down sports cars.....or deflects bullets......

LOL, you cant be nit picking.

Feral blitzed Sabertooth and Wolverine stood up to her.

If you are nitpicking that, then you shouldnt be nitpicking the gorgon/Wolverine fight.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Running up on someone who isn't taking any notice, and is focused on something else entirely and stabbing them in the back?

Either way, he can run fast, but got tagged by Logan in combat.

And Gorgan can by no means travel, let alone fight, faster than the speed of sound, he has absolutely no feats to back that statistic up.

He proved many of times that his reflexes is far faster than the speed of sound.

Hell, this feat proves that.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2107/telepathy2.jpg

Slapping machine gun bullets out of the air with something as thin as a sword.

Then lets not even bring up him slicing someone out of the air that ran mach 300 before.

Originally posted by carver9
The reason I said dont bring it up is because it goes against you since Wolvy got blitzed yet again.

Here is your one page that you can use as an argument (a fail argument since gorgon fell off of a roof and was still on the ground. Looked hurt to me. ).

Then we have this happening after Wolverine got some cuts in.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4759/gorgonvswolverine4.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3065/gorgonvswolverine5.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8492/gorgonvswolverine6.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2298/gorgonvswolverine7.jpg

Wolverine gets blitzed yet again.

Yes he beat on wolverien but again wolverien was able to land several hits on gorgon before this. No ones debating gorgon being faster, were debating him simply blizting sabre and OR into the ground.

Thoses punches would not even remotely face red and would give him energy. It not even Red's speed thats the problem, red durbaility and damage soak. It far to tough to be taken out in a speed blizt and and quite fast enough to land a few hits of his own. Hell even in your scan, wolverine dodge one of gorgons attacks and gorgon was able to overpower wolverine who he stronger then.......OR is way stronger then wolverine or gorgon.....he tried that shit on OR it never work.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Out of interest, is this Sabes with Adamantium?

If so, noone is taking him out. I mean, w/o the metal bones he still took about 100 bullets from Deadpool at close range and was still able to fight him in h2h, so with the adamantium he's going to be damn near impossible to kill for the other team (apart from Daken I guess, but imo Sabretooth would murder Daken in a fight)

It wouldnt change a thing if this was Adamantium sabes or not.

Hell, Deadpool almost finished Adamantium Sabes with a sword to the throat.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes he beat on wolverien but again wolverien was able to land several hits on gorgon before this. No ones debating gorgon being faster, were debating him simply blizting sabre and OR into the ground.

Thoses punches would not even remotely face red and would give him energy. It not even Red's speed thats the problem, red durbaility and damage soak. It far to tough to be taken out in a speed blizt and and quite fast enough to land a few hits of his own. Hell even in your scan, wolverine dodge one of gorgons attacks and gorgon was able to overpower wolverine who he stronger then.......OR is way stronger then wolverine or gorgon.....he tried that shit on OR it never work.

Wolverine threw him off of a roof, of course he will land some licks. It was the last fight between the two, of course he will land some licks.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
but imo Sabretooth would murder Daken in a fightI mean, to each his own... but really:

Originally posted by carver9
He proved many of times that his reflexes is far faster than the speed of sound.

Hell, this feat proves that.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2107/telepathy2.jpg

Slapping machine gun bullets out of the air with something as thin as a sword.

Then lets not even bring up him slicing someone out of the air that ran mach 300 before.

Mister X has slapped bullets out the air before, so his reactions are > Mach 1 right? Taskmaster has slapped bulelts out the air with a chain, so his reactions > Mach 1 right?

The Yo Yo thing, we don't know how fast she was moving. Could have been anywhere between 400 mph and her top speed.
=/

Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully the telepathy woudl work on read my mistake and with his current god slayer sword, he should be able to cleave right into red. so yea he take down red relatively fast though speed blizt I disagree with. Red to durable and powerful to be blizt right away and beaten. He bee beaten but he last a little while.

he has the god slayer sword? Like the sword Gamora use to have?

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine threw him off of a roof, of course he will land some licks. It was the last fight between the two, of course he will land some licks.
It was pretty much there only straight up fight. He was neevr designed to be untoucble by wolverine.

Wolverien fell off the roof to stop pretending like that means anything. the fall would be much more damaging to wolverine then gorgon. you do realize only one of the have organs that if damage actaully matter right? and I give you a hint it not gorgon........

Originally posted by Lord Feron
he has the god slayer sword? Like the sword Gamora use to have?
naw it a sword, they have yet to really explain it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I mean, to each his own... but really:

Eh, I dunno, Daken got schooled by Cyber, someone way slower with no healing factor.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Mister X has slapped bullets out the air before, so his reactions are > Mach 1 right? Taskmaster has slapped bulelts out the air with a chain, so his reactions > Mach 1 right?

The Yo Yo thing, we don't know how fast she was moving. Could have been anywhere between 400 mph and her top speed.
=/

Show me Mr. X slapping machine gun fire, not the kind of bullets that was fired from a pistol but machine gun fire like gorgon did.

The yo yo thing, it was pretty obvious that she was going all out speed wise since she was trying to save someone and why would everyone say "no one is that fast" if she wasnt moving at top speed.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
naw it a sword, they have yet to really explain it.

It has been explained...

It was a sword forged by Hephaustus for the Gods of Olympus to use in war, he made it at the same time he made Grasscutter, and it has been used in wars for centuries.

Kraken managed to get hold of it and gave it to Gorgon.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, I dunno, Daken got schooled by Cyber, someone way slower with no healing factor.
He not way slower and he did have a healing factor though not sure if his current form did.

cyber has superhuman relfexes.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It was pretty much there only straight up fight. He was neevr designed to be untoucble by wolverine.

Wolverien fell off the roof to stop pretending like that means anything. the fall would be much more damaging to wolverine then gorgon. you do realize only one of the have organs that if damage actaully matter right? and I give you a hint it not gorgon........

I know it was their straight up fight but he had help and he got crushed even with the aid of Elektra. Hell he got blitzed in the straight up fight between Gorgon and Wolvy and if Elektra cant touch gorgon what makes you think Wolverine can?

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
It has been explained...

It was a sword forged by Hephaustus for the Gods of Olympus to use in war, he made it at the same time he made Grasscutter, and it has been used in wars for centuries.

Kraken managed to get hold of it and gave it to Gorgon.
Yea I red the Ares explanation, but I dont recall them saying how Kraken got it. I assumed it was a different sword since, the one made by hephaustus is flawed.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He not way slower and he did have a healing factor though not sure if his current form did.

cyber has superhuman relfexes.

His current form only had Super strength/ the adamantium iirc, as the mutant he possessed only seemed to have the strength.

Although I guess the reflexes could have been carried in with Cyber's conciousness.

Either way, Sabretooth also has superhuman reflexes.

Originally posted by carver9
I know it was their straight up fight but he had help and he got crushed even with the aid of Elektra. Hell he got blitzed in the straight up fight between Gorgon and Wolvy and if Elektra cant touch gorgon what makes you think Wolverine can?
Becuase wolverien did touch him.

yes they got beat up a little by gorgon, but some of that was underestimating gorgon damage soak they stabbed the shit out of him and no one new that would not work, to date they never seen gorgon being injuried nor did they have any knowledge of him possing a healing factor.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
His current form only had Super strength/ the adamantium iirc, as the mutant he possessed only seemed to have the strength.

Although I guess the reflexes could have been carried in with Cyber's conciousness.

Either way, Sabretooth also has superhuman reflexes.

true, classic cyber was some much better.



yea sabre-tooth does. sabre-tooth an animal.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yea I red the Ares explanation, but I dont recall them saying how Kraken got it. I assumed it was a different sword since, the one made by hephaustus is flawed.

Nah, I think it was the same sword, as it's been referenced as the sword with which a mortal man made a god bleed, which was also said about the sword by Hephaustus.

And it was said the sword made by Hephaustus was 'lost', which explains why Kraken has it and the gods do not. Although it has yet to be revealed where/how Kraken got it.

mister x just got owned by a vacum cleaner he cant hand with those guys

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Eh, I dunno, Daken got schooled by Cyber, someone way slower with no healing factor. Do you happen to have scans, because maybe my memory needs refreshing. But pretty sure this schooling wasn't while Daken had his Muramasa claws?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you happen to have scans, because maybe my memory needs refreshing. But pretty sure this schooling wasn't while Daken had his Muramasa claws?
it wasent though I not sure he could perice cyber with it unless he aimed for the face.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Nah, I think it was the same sword, as it's been referenced as the sword with which a mortal man made a god bleed, which was also said about the sword by Hephaustus.

And it was said the sword made by Hephaustus was 'lost', which explains why Kraken has it and the gods do not. Although it has yet to be revealed where/how Kraken got it.
That very well could be true, jsut seemed odd becuase I thought that sword was flawed and not good.


Thats true, but isent the sword flawed?

Originally posted by realdude
mister x just got owned by a vacum cleaner he cant hand with those guys
That vacume cleaner........could destroy an entire city........

Originally posted by Battlehammer
it wasent though I not sure he could perice cyber with it unless he aimed for the face. Theorizing on Muramasa's ability to cut through adamantium isn't necessary. Cyber's got a pretty big mug.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Theorizing on Muramasa's ability to cut through adamantium isn't necessary. Cyber's got a pretty big mug.
thats true lol

it be a lot harder if it was classic version who only his face showed not even his chin or head.

classic was so much better, he was faster, stronger ect.

^ Nothing beats old school. uhuh

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Nothing beats old school. uhuh
true that lol.


he was a beast. Honestly a few of Wolverine and Spiderman villains in there prime form are more team busters then there rouges. Like venom, carnage, toxin(though he might not of been bad I havent really read him much, thought he kinda sucked lol as a character) cyber,omega red even sabre-tooth to some extent amoung others. Honestly CIS is what keep them alive.

x is way outclassed by the other fighters in this fight he doesnt belong here

Not at all, he only down side is he has no healing factor which means pheromones take him out instantly

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Not at all, he only down side is he has no healing factor which means pheromones take him out instantly

unless they plan this fight and by planing the fight they will consider omega reds death factor so gorgon right at the beginning of the fight will go for the kill on him cutting his head clean off which he will be able to do with his super human strength and god killer katana and then there team takes it