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That's right. Non-jobbing Apoc w/ cyttorak gem.
1. Who is the weakest character that can beat him w/out prep?
2. Who is the weakest, non-magical character that can beat him w/out prep?

DP Tyrant.

Superman / Captain Marvel
Silver Surfer / Thor

Those guys would barely be able to defeat a regular Apoc...
This Apoc would stomp all 4 of them.

Imagine a guy that has unlimited durability + ability to become atleast hundereds of feets tall + teleportation + telekenisis + high level shape shifting + instant regeneration + hypersonic COMBAT speed + telepathy.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Those guys would barely be able to defeat a regular Apoc...
This Apoc would stomp all 4 of them.

Imagine a guy that has unlimited durability + ability to become atleast hundereds of feets tall + teleportation + telekenisis + high level shape shifting + instant regeneration + hypersonic COMBAT speed + telepathy.

I don't know about Apoc being able to take all four; if they work together to get rid of the helmet, SS might be able to pull a psychic win. Conceivably, Thor w/ odin force might be able to separate the gem from Nur, but it seems unlikely. Superman and Marvel could never be anything more than distractions in this fight, incapable of even doing a BFR.

My own feeling is that you would probably have to go to Thanos before you have a character who can last long enough to do helmet removal + mindrape. Strangely enough, getting the cyttorak gem, which would make Apocalypse insanely powerful, is something that seems absolutely within the range of his capabilities. Dude's a sucker for sure.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Those guys would barely be able to defeat a regular Apoc...
This Apoc would stomp all 4 of them.

Imagine a guy that has unlimited durability + ability to become atleast hundereds of feets tall + teleportation + telekenisis + high level shape shifting + instant regeneration + hypersonic COMBAT speed + telepathy. SS and Thor rape regular Apoc.

Barely beat him, really?

Any1 with a table
Darkseid

lol at Silver Surfer, Thor, Captain Marvel, and Superman all being barely able to beat regular Apoc.

Would Cyttorak be a weakness or advantage to Poccy?
Would he be trapped in a set sized armour....
Or would he be able to morph with the added durabilty.

I say the armour slows him down.

Black Alice.

Steal the power of the gem, leaving him non-Juggy powered, and steal the power of someone else with enough offense to put him down.

Originally posted by Mindset
SS and Thor rape regular Apoc.

Barely beat him, really? Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol at Silver Surfer, Thor, Captain Marvel, and Superman all being barely able to beat regular Apoc.


It's true. Nothing Superman can do to a PIS and CIS-less poccy. Thor, Cap, and SS can defeat him with their other abilities, but fists Shouldn't hurt Apocalypse.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Would Cyttorak be a weakness or advantage to Poccy?
Would he be trapped in a set sized armour....
Or would he be able to morph with the added durabilty.

I say the armour slows him down.

Why would he wear the armor if it slowed him down.

Originally posted by rader
Why would he wear the armor if it slowed him down.

because that's what this thread is about.
And that's the question I'm asking.
Would he just become super durable or would he be stuck in a Juggernaut style armour?
I say the later.

I find it disturbing that nobody creates non-amped Poccy threads anymore.

Originally posted by Survivor19
I find it disturbing that nobody creates non-amped Poccy threads anymore.

Most Apoc threads nowadays have him either amped or without CIS/PIS/Jobbing to make him a more credible threat than the norm.

I know. That's exactly what i find disturbing.

It's kind of funny in a sad way. But I hear he's supposed to be coming back soon or he already did.

Acopanaut for the .. oh **** it, he dies. somehow, dunno how, but he fails

Originally posted by the ninjak
Would Cyttorak be a weakness or advantage to Poccy?
Would he be trapped in a set sized armour....
Or would he be able to morph with the added durabilty.

I say the armour slows him down.

How would the armor slow him down first of all?

Second of all he doesn't need the armor to become Apocanaut.

Also why would he be stuck inside the armor?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Would Cyttorak be a weakness or advantage to Poccy?
Would he be trapped in a set sized armour....
Or would he be able to morph with the added durabilty.

I say the armour slows him down. Didn't stop Trion...

Genocide could beat him. The lasso lets her to not-nice things to his soul, and the gem doesn't help against that.

Originally posted by Q99
Genocide could beat him. The lasso lets her to not-nice things to his soul, and the gem doesn't help against that. Actully the Gem and the sould become one....and unless the lasso is >>the Gem then nothing aint happening...

Yeah, I could see Genocide (or CISless WW) soul raping Apoconaut

You actually think Genocide/WW can defeat this Apoc?
I say that no one below Thanos can stop this guy.

Originally posted by galactusischere
You actually think Genocide/WW can defeat this Apoc?
I say that no one below Thanos can stop this guy.

Perhaps not for a majority, but it's possible, imo.

The lasso won't get past Poccy's shields

Originally posted by galactusischere
The lasso won't get past Poccy's shields

But the tiara can.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But the tiara can.

How many times has WW actually used her tiara? Plus Apoc can always teleport out of the way.

Originally posted by galactusischere
How many times has WW actually used her tiara? Plus Apoc can always teleport out of the way.

Enough times to validate it as an option, in all honesty. And yes, Apoc can teleport, but Diana has superspeed and combat reflexes to go along with it.

Again, it's possible for her to win.

Originally posted by galactusischere
How many times has WW actually used her tiara? Plus Apoc can always teleport out of the way.

I dunno, over the years, hundreds?

Depends on the writer. Early days she used it a lot, in the 90s not all that often. Nowadays she busts it out every now and then, both the Superman and Genocide fights involved it.



Geno's way of using the lasso is just hax.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, I could see Genocide (or CISless WW) soul raping Apoconaut How can she sould rape the Gem of Cyttorak.. remember the soul of the user and the Gem become one and she aint soul raping the Gem...

Originally posted by nicamarvin
How can she sould rape the Gem of Cyttorak.. remember the soul of the user and the Gem become one and she aint soul raping the Gem...

Yes, because god forbid anything Cyttorak be portrayed as less than truly impervious. The lasso has worked on skyfather beings before; there's no reason to believe it wouldn't work if it was wrapped around Apoc or Juggernaut unless you have scans showing either of them resisting a similar method of attack.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
How can she sould rape the Gem of Cyttorak.. remember the soul of the user and the Gem become one and she aint soul raping the Gem...

The lasso has in the past worked on the likes of Ares. It is serious mojo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, because god forbid anything Cyttorak be portrayed as less than truly impervious... Cyttorak>>any god empowering WW...

Originally posted by Q99
The lasso has in the past worked on the likes of Ares.

Cyttorak>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanos>>>>>>>Sentry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ares....

DC Ares, who's often near-Skyfather to low-Skyfather, not Marvel Ares.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Cyttorak>>any god empowering WW...

Sure, but the lasso works on those gods just fine, and the Gem's only 1/7th of Cyttorak's power. 1/7th is less than one of those gods.

Genocide also is WW's power + Ares's power on top. We saw a possible future where she'd be used as the key in a plan to make all the pantheons fall.

My damn dog has more on panel feats than Cyttorak.

Originally posted by Q99
Sure, but the lasso works on those gods just fine, and the Gem's only 1/7th of Cyttorak's power. Thats not so true...we have seen less dumber people use the Gem to a much much level of power, I bet a guy like Apoc will now how to use more....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
My damn dog has more on panel feats than Cyttorak. Yet Odin fears him and his avatar has moped the floor with Odin's own blood and torn the very fabrick of reality.... yeah he is weak, why dont' you make a Cyttorak vs Thanos thread while you at et...

Come on. Regular Apoc would beat WW. Now he has the gem of Cyttorak.

As I have said before instant teleportation > travel speed

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Thats not so true...we have seen less dumber people use the Gem to a much much level of power, I bet a guy like Apoc will now how to use more....

Used smarter? Sure. More power? That I wouldn't say.

Originally posted by Q99
Used smarter? Sure. More power? That I wouldn't say. knowledge is power....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Yet Odin fears him and his avatar has moped the floor with Odin's own blood and torn the very fabrick of reality.... yeah he is weak, why dont' you make a Cyttorak vs Thanos thread while you at et...

Show me where Odin fears Cyttorak. And his avatar =/= Cyttorak. Superman has torn reality, Hulk has torn reality, Thor, etc. So, no, it's not some massive feat that is exclusive to Juggs. And I have no interest opening up the can of worms from a heated Thanos/Cyttorak debate, kthanks.

And btw, my dog kicked Odin's ass.

True story.

But you're arguing about the gem's power right now.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I have no interest opening up the can of worms from a heated Thanos/Cyttorak debate, kthanks.. yeah like if Odin was on Cyttorak level so Crazed people like Quan will even have a chance to argue.......

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thor, Cap, and SS can defeat him with their other abilities, but fists Shouldn't hurt Apocalypse. I guess it's a good thing they don't have to rely on fists, which is why they rape.

Originally posted by Mindset
I guess it's a good thing they don't have to rely on fists, which is why they rape. this Apoc Arse is Invulnerable to Raping....

None of them can "rape" Apoc. They beat him, but they don't stomp.

Originally posted by galactusischere
None of them can "rape" Apoc. They beat him, but they don't stomp. No, they rape him.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, they rape him. But But his Hole is Invulnerable now....

Originally posted by Mindset
No, they rape him.

No they don't.

Superman can't defeat Apoc. The rest might be able to.

Originally posted by galactusischere
No they don't. Would you like to compare feats?

SS blasts Apoc with a planet destroying shot and a blackhole opens in his face.

Apocalypse defeatd High Evolutionary. Next.

To be fair they only stalemated.

Iceman defeated Oblivion.

Spiderman defeated Iceman.

SS defeated Spiderman.

SS > Oblivion > HE

Originally posted by Mindset
Iceman defeated Oblivion.

Spiderman defeated Iceman.

SS defeated Spiderman.

SS > Oblivion > HE
Can't argue with that logic.

Apocalypse kills Supes with TK and as a building sized blob of a body as hard as adamantium.

Originally posted by Q99
Black Alice.

Steal the power of the gem, leaving him non-Juggy powered, and steal the power of someone else with enough offense to put him down.

good one

I think the ghost rider might pull it off with ps and soulfire too

@simbon
The reason apoc doesnt go after the gem is that he doesnt want to be cytorraks peon