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All characters from the Lord of the Rings side are in play. Each side has gone to war with the other due to Russell Edgington wanting the Ring of Power.

No modern day weapons for any True Blood character. Vampires can use stakes or any other weapon save a modern weapon. All vampires, werepanthers, witches, mediums, shifters faeries, maenad, and werewolves.

The maenad was Marry Anne Forrester from season 2. The Authority is in full force as well without their modern day weapons. No humans for True Blood but since Sookie is half faerie she is good.


Every character from LOTR is included along with a fully bodied Sauron from the FOTR.


Each side has a week prep. Both worlds are banding together to stop the other. Middle earth is being invaded by the True Blood characters.

Are we also talking the armies of nameless characters? The Dead men of Dunharrow beat literally everyone in true blood.

Yep. Unkillable ghost army ftw.

Ghosts are weak against Dark type, which vampires totally are. Dark and misunderstood.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ghosts are weak against Dark type, which vampires totally are.

I LOVE IT!

Originally posted by Blight
Are we also talking the armies of nameless characters? The Dead men of Dunharrow beat literally everyone in true blood. They aren't included just like I didn't include Ifrit or any spirits. The spirits need a medium but once you kill the medium the spirit can't come back.

Do people still favor the LOTR side ?

Hard to say. I cant tell how many of each is there. I think that if we include whole armies then the lord of the rings win pretty handidly. If were only talking main characters then I'd hear out an argument either way.

^

Really depends on how many there are on the LotR side. The TB vamps are above any single character here.. besides trolls and elephants, but whatever.. but they're not so much stronger that with their hundreds(?) they can take on several thousands?

Originally posted by Blight
Hard to say. I cant tell how many of each is there. I think that if we include whole armies then the lord of the rings win pretty handidly. If were only talking main characters then I'd hear out an argument either way.

If the fight is relegated to the main characters, then the True Blood universe wins rather casually.

...Unless Gandalf's patented flare o' doom is comparable to sunlight. mmm

Originally posted by The_Tempest
If the fight is relegated to the main characters, then the True Blood universe wins rather casually.

...Unless Gandalf's patented flare o' doom is comparable to sunlight. mmm
I would say it is. Which is why I'd hear the argument. And if the Balrog is a part of the fight then there are other avenues.

Gandalf's light hurts Orcs the way that Sunlight hurts Orcs. No way around that, really

Originally posted by Blight
I would say it is. Which is why I'd hear the argument. And if the Balrog is a part of the fight then there are other avenues.

Gandalf's light hurts Orcs the way that Sunlight hurts Orcs. No way around that, really

Was it genuine sunlight that affected orcs so strongly or just any particularly potent light?

Well Torchlight won't do it. Are you saying a Flashlight could take them out? I highly doubt that, but it could never be proven.

Originally posted by Blight
Well Torchlight won't do it. Are you saying a Flashlight could take them out? I highly doubt that, but it could never be proven.

No implications, just wondering if it was some sort of mystical property of sunlight that injured orcs (like vampires) or if any powerful light would do, like a spotlight.

Did Gandalf's staff generate the light during his calvary raid on Helm's Deep or did it channel sunlight from the approaching dawn?

I'd say its magical light, not sunlight. Not provably at least.

I see. Well, it seems to me that this all comes down to Gandalf's wood.

Well, if he gets to use it. They might be too fast for him.

Assuming its even stiff enough for them to feel it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, if he gets to use it. They might be too fast for him.

Assuming its even stiff enough for them to feel it.

Russell, the oldest and most powerful vampire in the True Blood mythos (perhaps bar the newly-introduced "Billith" and the enigmatic Warlow) felt it when Eric rammed him good and proper with a foot-long.

Gandalf's wood is substantially larger and his experiences with Saruman reveal that he knows how to wield it properly; it was sufficient to exhaust Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli in the forest, remember?

.... I don't think I can out-gay that actually. Good job. mmm

Anyway, I agree that the TB side can't stand against entire armies. And with the amry of the dead its a freaking stomp.

Its the other way around with just named characters though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
.... I don't think I can out-gay that actually. Good job. mmm

Anyway, I agree that the TB side can't stand against entire armies. And with the amry of the dead its a freaking stomp.

Its the other way around with just named characters though. There's no army of the dead. The witches can also control the dead anyway so probably control the Nazgul. They can also create balls of energy and you have the Authority, the packs of Werewolves, werepanthers, vampires, and MaryAnne.

If a dwarf can take out orcs by the scores imagine what 10 regular vampires can do with their speed.

Tb wins. The Lotr side have conceded.

I didn't see a single concession in all the posts last page, just discussion on speculative results. Unless each poster siding with LOTR sent you a PM conceding defeat, you are a liar.

Apparently you haven't met quanchi. "Concession accepted" is kind of his schtick.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tb wins. The Lotr side have conceded.

Your poll tells a different story

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Apparently you haven't met quanchi. "Concession accepted" is kind of his schtick.

Oh no, I know quanchi. He's well versed in bullshit around the VGVS forum, too.

Hey Quan, you would have a good point there, except the Army of the Dead can only be controlled by the Heir of Isildur. And the Nazgul are controlled by the will of Sauron. Ergo, True Blood has no chance whatsoever of controlling them.


EDIT: Also, read you OP. You said all the characters from LOTR. That includes the Army of the Dead. And it was way too late for you to change that without it being obvious you are full of bs (which many people here would say you are anyways)

Gandalf could solo. Adding in the armies of men, Orcs, Ents etc is spite.

Edit: LoL at Quanchi trying to alter the original parameters so his favorites can win.

Oh, take away the, "Form of a Man" stipulation and he can. He is genuinely immortal/unkillable at that point. XD

Even in his grey aspect he's durable enough to survive a several mile free fall and strong enough to block attacks from Baelrogs and giant trolls. He tears through every vampire, werewolf, fairie etc. as they can't begin to hurt or stop him.

The Maenad's immortality will be a problem, but he can just grab her by the neck, jump on the back of a giant hawk and drop her ass into Mount Doom.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I didn't see a single concession in all the posts last page, just discussion on speculative results. Unless each poster siding with LOTR sent you a PM conceding defeat, you are a liar. I'm too much of a gentleman to show the pm's. Take my word for it.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Oh no, I know quanchi. He's well versed in bullshit around the VGVS forum, too. Lies.

Originally posted by Pwned
Hey Quan, you would have a good point there, except the Army of the Dead can only be controlled by the Heir of Isildur. And the Nazgul are controlled by the will of Sauron. Ergo, True Blood has no chance whatsoever of controlling them.


EDIT: Also, read you OP. You said all the characters from LOTR. That includes the Army of the Dead. And it was way too late for you to change that without it being obvious you are full of bs (which many people here would say you are anyways) The witches can control the dead, sparkey.

I didn't want any spirits from true blood and forgot about the army of the dead so they are out too. Fair is fair as soon as I saw people arguing for them I ruled them out.Originally posted by Robtard
Gandalf could solo. Adding in the armies of men, Orcs, Ents etc is spite.

Edit: LoL at Quanchi trying to alter the original parameters so his favorites can win. Russell would knock Gandalf's head off before he knew Russell was even there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Russell would knock Gandalf's head off before he knew Russell was even there.

Nope, he lacks the physical strength to harm Gandalf's body.

I know you didn't really pay attention when watching the LoTR films (you did watch?), but Gandalf isn't just some old frail man as he physically appears to be.

Quan, if you are going to, "rule out" a persons main argument, you should do so promptly. Not three days after your OP. Its considered polite.


But what should we expect from a butthurt fanboy who doesn't want his favorite character to lose?

Oh, and Russell can't bring jack that compares to the miles Gandalf fell. On a burning beast.
Or the fact that Gandalf can just make him combust, as with the weapons Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli drew on him (or in the case of Legolas, the arrow completely burning before it reached him)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'm too much of a gentleman to show the pm's. Take my word for it.

You, sir, are no gentleman. That would involve me having to trust that you would not lie to me. I cannot.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope, he lacks the physical strength to harm Gandalf's body.

I know you didn't really pay attention when watching the LoTR films (you did watch?), but Gandalf isn't just some old frail man as he physically appears to be. Yeah, I guess you missed the part where Saruman's weak force pushes made him bleed and defeated his old ass. You take one battle in which he died and act like he cannot be harmed. You're like the Link backers ignore the portrayals and fixate on high end feats. The Witch King beat him as did Saruman. The Witch King was defeated by a ranger with a torch too.

Russell rips off a head of a guy a simple force push can rock.

Russell has super strength while Gandalf has some enchantments but he still needed to block the Balrog's attack and fight him. He couldn't just tank attack.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, if you are going to, "rule out" a persons main argument, you should do so promptly. Not three days after your OP. Its considered polite.


But what should we expect from a butthurt fanboy who doesn't want his favorite character to lose?

Oh, and Russell can't bring jack that compares to the miles Gandalf fell. On a burning beast.
Or the fact that Gandalf can just make him combust, as with the weapons Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli drew on him (or in the case of Legolas, the arrow completely burning before it reached him) No, he can't. Russell is far faster than Legolas and Aragorn. Russell's speed is on another level than Gandalf the guy who stood by while the Witch King destroyed his staff. The Tb side doesn't have spirits either and genius they can actually bide the spirits if they want.

You seem quite ignorant and quite upset. Take a few days off the internet and when you muster up the courage come find me. I will be perched atop Mount Victory.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
You, sir, are no gentleman. That would involve me having to trust that you would not lie to me. I cannot. When have I ever lied before ?

Well, every thread you've posted in, for starters.



For the record, the arrow was shot in less than a second, flying about 15 feet. And he burned it completely

Seriously, Russell isn't as fast as you try to make him. He is always visible as a blur. Visible being the key word. Gandalf pwns him.

Same with the Army of the Dead, or the Nazgul, etc etc.

Originally posted by Pwned
Well, every thread you've posted in, for starters.



For the record, the arrow was shot in less than a second, flying about 15 feet. And he burned it completely

Seriously, Russell isn't as fast as you try to make him. He is always visible as a blur. Visible being the key word. Gandalf pwns him.

Same with the Army of the Dead, or the Nazgul, etc etc. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjIJ2WOHYPY

There. You can clearly see he moves over fifty feet and disarms Jason before h knows what hits him. You want to act like gandalf is quicker and act like you're a real debater. I've dealt with and defeated far better men than you.

We've also seen Eric northman move faster than a bullet someone compare an arrow to a bullet you noob.

so many lame ass LoTR wanks.

Originally posted by marwash22
so many lame ass LoTR wanks. don't worry I am chopping them down one by one.

Actually, I just post on here for funsies. And FYI, I doubt you have won anything. Ever.




Anyways, your saying that an arrow, snap shot from 15 feet away, is easy to react to?
No. It's not.
Do you know how long it takes wood to burn?
Longer than the time it took Gandalf.


You can go wank your True Blood characters all you want, but when you try and say they can take out Middle Earth? That's just too much wankery.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah, I guess you missed the part where Saruman's weak force pushes made him bleed and defeated his old ass. You take one battle in which he died and act like he cannot be harmed. You're like the Link backers ignore the portrayals and fixate on high end feats. The Witch King beat him as did Saruman. The Witch King was defeated by a ranger with a torch too.

Russell rips off a head of a guy a simple force push can rock.

Russell has super strength while Gandalf has some enchantments but he still needed to block the Balrog's attack and fight him. He couldn't just tank attack.

Saruman was a total badass too, again he's also more than his old man appearance betrays. Witch King just broke his staff. You need to pay better attention.

Gandalf was fighting the Balrog with his sword after the fall.

Russell gets taken out by a length of silver or a bit of wood. Not that it matters, as the thread isn't just Gandalf, it's everyone in LoTR; they stomp TB. You're terrible at making threads, bro. So one-sided.

Originally posted by Robtard
Saruman was a total badass too, again he's also more than his old man appearance betrays. Witch King just broke his staff. You need to pay better attention.

Gandalf was fighting the Balrog with his sword after the fall.

Russell gets taken out by a length of silver or a bit of wood. Not that it matters, as the thread isn't just Gandalf, it's everyone in LoTR; they stomp TB. You're terrible at making threads, bro. So one-sided. saruman was such a badass when wormtongue stabbed his weak ass. Witch king did defeat him.

The balrog killed Gandalf as well due to exhaustion.

Russell was staked by a 1,000 vampire while high off faerie blood while being attacked by a ton of fairies simultaneously.

Russell slaughters all wizards with slaps in a millisecond.

Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, I just post on here for funsies. And FYI, I doubt you have won anything. Ever.




Anyways, your saying that an arrow, snap shot from 15 feet away, is easy to react to?
No. It's not.
Do you know how long it takes wood to burn?
Longer than the time it took Gandalf.


You can go wank your True Blood characters all you want, but when you try and say they can take out Middle Earth? That's just too much wankery. Gandalf was wrecked by force pushes by saruman. Bullet time is far greater than arrows. You're embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf was wrecked by force pushes by saruman. Bullet time is far greater than arrows. You're embarrassing yourself. Nice lowballing.

So those force pushes had more force than a several mile fall?

Gandalf also fought for 3 days. Three days of fighting for his life. Yeah, completely worthless.


I am not saying that bullet timing is slower than arrows, I am saying that an arrow being snap shot from 15 feet away is humanly impossible to react to. Yet Gandalf used magic on the arrow. And completely burned it in 2 seconds.

Originally posted by Pwned
Nice lowballing.

So those force pushes had more force than a several mile fall?

Gandalf also fought for 3 days. Three days of fighting for his life. Yeah, completely worthless.


I am not saying that bullet timing is slower than arrows, I am saying that an arrow being snap shot from 15 feet away is humanly impossible to react to. Yet Gandalf used magic on the arrow. And completely burned it in 2 seconds. no, it's called inconsistency in fiction it happens all the time. Same reason Gandalf didn't solo the cave troll and the entire group had to fight him. Gandalf taxed his magic protections while fighting the balrog and ended up temp dying.

Yes he burned one arrow once but never burned an actual foe. None of this matters since Russell is faster than bullets which make arrows look like slow motion.

Tell me, where does it say anything about magical protections? From the books and movies, he tanked all that. In fact, he almost never uses magic.



Also, I decided to handle this "debate" as you would. So, "Nu uh! Gandalf is a Wizard. He blows Edgington up with magic."

All it took was Gandalf blasting the area with pure white magiks.

Then seeing the vamp punching peeps hearts out then setting him on fire!

Just like he did with Aragorn's sword.

Originally posted by Pwned
Tell me, where does it say anything about magical protections? From the books and movies, he tanked all that. In fact, he almost never uses magic.



Also, I decided to handle this "debate" as you would. So, "Nu uh! Gandalf is a Wizard. He blows Edgington up with magic." he used magical protections. You can think he didn't but the old fool couldn't tank force pushes.

Russell is too fast. He destroys him with a blitz. Forceful air has defeated him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
he used magical protections. You can think he didn't but the old fool couldn't tank force pushes.

Russell is too fast. He destroys him with a blitz. Forceful air has defeated him. Where does it say he has magical protections? You claim it, you back it up. Nowhere does it say so. Ever.



Tell me, how does Russell even hurt him? The guy survived a several mile fall. And he was slammed a LOT into stone.

Originally posted by Pwned
Where does it say he has magical protections? You claim it, you back it up. Nowhere does it say so. Ever.



Tell me, how does Russell even hurt him? The guy survived a several mile fall. And he was slammed a LOT into stone. air has defeated him. Did you not see the movies ?

The cave troll had an entire party on its toes yet you ask how russell hurts a guy who has been defeated by air.

Watch the movies and get back to me.

Air has not defeated him. A wizard clearly acknowledged as his superior defeated his lesser form.

You obviously know nothing of the context the Trilogy takes place in. So, how about you go learn that?


Oh, and just because it won't kill him, doesn't mean he won't feel pain.

Originally posted by quanchi112
saruman was such a badass when wormtongue stabbed his weak ass. Witch king did defeat him.

The balrog killed Gandalf as well due to exhaustion.

Russell was staked by a 1,000 vampire while high off faerie blood while being attacked by a ton of fairies simultaneously.

Russell slaughters all wizards with slaps in a millisecond.

Which is telling as the best TB has was killed via a stab from the back.

Non sequitor, the point was Gandalf has super strength and survived more damage than Russell could ever dream of dishing out.

Russell went out like a punk, the best TB has died like a punk. It's telling.

Nope, he dies. You ****ed up and made a spite thread. Deal.

Originally posted by Pwned
Air has not defeated him. A wizard clearly acknowledged as his superior defeated his lesser form.

You obviously know nothing of the context the Trilogy takes place in. So, how about you go learn that?


Oh, and just because it won't kill him, doesn't mean he won't feel pain. dude, air defeated him. That's weak. Gusts of wind pierced the old mans old face. The wizards had a battle of air and Gandalf got wrecked.

Russell is faster than bullets so get your arrow crap out of here. You lost now get lost.

Can you provide proof that they were using gusts of wind in their duel?

Why are you still declaring victories when a debate is still clearly ongoing?

Originally posted by Robtard
Which is telling as the best TB has was killed via a stab from the back.

Non sequitor, the point was Gandalf has super strength and survived more damage than Russell could ever dream of dishing out.

Russell went out like a punk, the best TB has died like a punk. It's telling.

Nope, he dies. You ****ed up and made a spite thread. Deal. yes a stab in the back while fighting off faeries blasts and completely unaware of Eric's presence is far better than losing a fan air battle against another senior citizen.

Gandalf uses magic to combat the balrog and died because of it. He's weak. Russell dominates vampires while Gandalf hits orcs on their heads with a Stick.


Russell died like the biggest threat ever taking on a realm of fairies and a 1000 year old vampire sneak attack.

Russell destroys him.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Can you provide proof that they were using gusts of wind in their duel?

Why are you still declaring victories when a debate is still clearly ongoing? they were gusts of win. If you don't have any common sense don't assume other people don't. Debates over the vamps are too fast.

You keep saying that, but how do you know? Were you on set during the scene? Do you have a copy of the script where it says "two epic wizards have a duel using gusts of wind"? If so, post a scan.

It's not a matter of common sense. People are still clearly debating for Middle Earth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
dude, air defeated him. That's weak. Gusts of wind pierced the old mans old face. The wizards had a battle of air and Gandalf got wrecked.

Russell is faster than bullets so get your arrow crap out of here. You lost now get lost. The telekinesis of a superior wizard defeated him. Not gusts of air.

Russell still can't hurt him.


Oh, and the magic that supposedly killed him? Didn't. The fact he fought for 3 days without stopping, and blew up the side of a mountain is what killed him.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
You keep saying that, but how do you know? Were you on set during the scene? Do you have a copy of the script where it says "two epic wizards have a duel using gusts of wind"? If so, post a scan.

It's not a matter of common sense. People are still clearly debating for Middle Earth. So you believe it was invisible lava....good for you. I happen to believe it was a force push. That force push raped Gandalf the weak.

People gave up and conceded through pms.

Originally posted by Pwned
The telekinesis of a superior wizard defeated him. Not gusts of air.

Russell still can't hurt him.


Oh, and the magic that supposedly killed him? Didn't. The fact he fought for 3 days without stopping, and blew up the side of a mountain is what killed him. The same wizard who was killed by Wormtongue or whatever his name was. Pathetic.

Russell would rape all these weaklings in the same room.

Gandalf perished against the Balrog as well and it would constitute as a forum loss.

You haven't proven Gandalf has the speed to keep up with Russell, kid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe it was invisible lava....good for you. I happen to believe it was a force push. That force push raped Gandalf the weak.

People gave up and conceded through pms.

Once again you are putting words into my mouth. This makes the second time. I never said what I thought was going on in the wizard duel, I was asking you to provide proof they were using gusts of wind.

Force push? So suddenly they're Jedi and Middle Earth is, what, in the Outer Rim or something? Where are their lightsabers?

If that is true, then would you be so kind as to have them PM me confirming this fact?

In all honesty it looks like something liken' to a force push. It looks like they're shooting invisible large baseballs at eachother. Unless there is an excerpt in the book stating what it actually is, we have no way to proceed without agreeing on exactly what it's doing.

My issue is quan insisting it's "just air". Even invisible baseballs makes more sense in the dramatic tension and overall ability of what are supposed to be two great magic wielders, even with a lack of emphasis on magic from the setting.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
My issue is quan insisting it's "just air". Even invisible baseballs makes more sense in the dramatic tension and overall ability of what are supposed to be two great magic wielders, even with a lack of emphasis on magic from the setting.
I just found the magic in LOTR (at least the movies) to be a bit underwhelming. Seems like they were extremely effective when going up against the Dark Creatures who all hate sunlight, but pit against a sorcerer in other mediums it doesn't feel quite as powerful. Again, in the movies.

I, however, believe an argument could be made for the fact that since most villains in LOtR are weak to the sun, and Gandalf's light he shined on the flying Nazgul hurt it; and since all of the Vampires are weak against sunlight in True Blood, they could easily be said to be taken out by Gandalf in one fell swoop.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same wizard who was killed by Wormtongue or whatever his name was. Pathetic.

Russell would rape all these weaklings in the same room.

Gandalf perished against the Balrog as well and it would constitute as a forum loss.

You haven't proven Gandalf has the speed to keep up with Russell, kid. Via a stab in the back. Right.

How would he rape them?

He perished after three days of fighting non stop, falling miles into a lake, a several hundred, if not thousand, mile stair climb, and using magic that blew up the side of a mountain please, enlighten me on how this is weak at all.


You still haven't proven how Russell can even hurt Gandalf after that. Sure, he stopped a braking car. Big whoop. Gandalf stopped the equivalent of a friggin train wreck when he blocked the Balrog's sword.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Once again you are putting words into my mouth. This makes the second time. I never said what I thought was going on in the wizard duel, I was asking you to provide proof they were using gusts of wind.

Force push? So suddenly they're Jedi and Middle Earth is, what, in the Outer Rim or something? Where are their lightsabers?

If that is true, then would you be so kind as to have them PM me confirming this fact? Like I said if you believe this was a more powerful attack then we've seen from these wizards be my guest. It was effective is all because they were clean shots on him. The Balrog wasn't ripping clean shots onto him was the problem.

Russell is too fast. Gandalf hasn't shown anywhere near that kind of reaction time and was soundly defeated by clean shots(Saruman's to his person).

Originally posted by Pwned
Via a stab in the back. Right.

How would he rape them?

He perished after three days of fighting non stop, falling miles into a lake, a several hundred, if not thousand, mile stair climb, and using magic that blew up the side of a mountain please, enlighten me on how this is weak at all.


You still haven't proven how Russell can even hurt Gandalf after that. Sure, he stopped a braking car. Big whoop. Gandalf stopped the equivalent of a friggin train wreck when he blocked the Balrog's sword. Gandalf failed against the Balrog as they both died. He took days of fighting because he's not that fast nor that powerful. Russell is faster and more powerful than Gandalf. Russell is also flat out stronger than Gandalf who didn't even solo a cave troll.

If a force push which causes slight bruising can hurt Gandalf a guy who can easily slap heads off should do the trick. If you think bruising is more dangerous than head slapping strength you need to phone a friend.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Like I said if you believe this was a more powerful attack then we've seen from these wizards be my guest. It was effective is all because they were clean shots on him. The Balrog wasn't ripping clean shots onto him was the problem.

Russell is too fast. Gandalf hasn't shown anywhere near that kind of reaction time and was soundly defeated by clean shots(Saruman's to his person).

There were a few points where the balrog was clearly dealing damage to Gandalf, most notably during the fall in Moria in the flim. Gandalf was striking the balrog repeatedly with his sword, which proceeded to grab him. It's been some time, so I don't remember if it tried slamming Gandalf against anything, but something that large even grabbing and squeezing Gandalf would exert enormous amounts of pressure, not to mention the potential damage from fire.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
There were a few points where the balrog was clearly dealing damage to Gandalf, most notably during the fall in Moria in the flim. Gandalf was striking the balrog repeatedly with his sword, which proceeded to grab him. It's been some time, so I don't remember if it tried slamming Gandalf against anything, but something that large even grabbing and squeezing Gandalf would exert enormous amounts of pressure, not to mention the potential damage from fire. Gandalf has protective magics on obviously and they weren't clean shots. When Gandalf was struck clean by Saruman he was beaten into submission by far less force than the Balrog is capable of. The Balrog is also slow and lumbering unlike Russell.

Look at how Gandalf fought in battle against the orces. He was donking them on their heads with his stick. How impressive.

How is being grabbed not a clean shot? The balrog literally had a hold on him, physical contact.

He suddenly has protective magic on during this singular battle as compared to the entirety of the struggle through Moria? If so, then certainly he'd have such protection in this situation, would he not?

So, protected wizard casts sunlight spell to burn vampires to death. Glad to see you finally admit your mistakes, quan.

Who has the ring in this scenario? Is it frodo? Because if all of LOTR is working together couldn't Frodo just stay invisible and then go around stabbing everybody since Sauron would not be a threat? or does Sauron now have the ring again?

When it comes to Gandalf, Sauron, and Saruman, they are completely immortal as I understand it - and now working together on the same side, or did I miss something? Their physical form can be destroyed, but Eru - the Zeus equivalent of Tolkien's mythos - can send them back to Middle Earth if their cause is righteous.

The LOTR trilogy has shown that preserving Middle Earth for its kind is considered a righteous cause for Eru, so all who are Maiar (kind of like demigods) - and all the Tolkien Wizards and Sauron fall into this category - cannot be permanently killed if Middle Earth is the battleground. Or did I miss something?

Let's not forget that both Elrond and Galadriel can help the LOTR-side in this - as can the Balrog since he's on team LOTR now. Btw, it seems a balrog is a type of Maia as well.

Quan, I want proof of:
Gandalf having protective magics on

Where blunt force trauma to the skull doesn't cause the loss of concious thought.

Where it says at all that Russell can do what you say he can.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, I want proof of:
Gandalf having protective magics on

Where blunt force trauma to the skull doesn't cause the loss of concious thought.

Where it says at all that Russell can do what you say he can. He uses magic you can see tk attacks far less powerful hurt Gandalf against Saruman. Common sense.

Russell is too fast for Gandalf he will be dead before he knew Russell was even there.

I don't even know why I am replying to this again, but Smite is updating, so why not.


The point is, Quan, that you have absolutely no proof that Gandalf had protective magic in place during his fight.

He is actually forbidden to use that much magic. He stretched it when he fought the Balrog.


You still haven't proven that Russell can put out enough damage fast enough to take down Gandalf.

Originally posted by Pwned
I don't even know why I am replying to this again, but Smite is updating, so why not.


The point is, Quan, that you have absolutely no proof that Gandalf had protective magic in place during his fight.

He is actually forbidden to use that much magic. He stretched it when he fought the Balrog.


You still haven't proven that Russell can put out enough damage fast enough to take down Gandalf. It's obvious he used them since Saruman hurt him with tk. You want me to believe the tk is more powerful than the balrog. That's nuts.

Tb side wins due to superior speed to take down the fodder. The witches also can do damage with prep and energy fields.

Or, y'know.....

You can drop it like you should have in the first page when people pointed out why your precious True Blood lost. But, then you wanted to take away anything in LOTR that could pose a threat in your eyes, huh?

Too bad you still haven't proven that Russell can do enough damage to put Gandalf down. A several mile fall into water, while on the chest of a flaming beast, fighting it down, chasing it up a mountain, and then blowing up the side of said mountain to kill said beast, totally means Gandalf can't take a guy who's best strength feat is to stop a braking car.

We have a character who can survive falling kilometers and fighting a creature who shakes the inside of a mountain with footsteps and crumbles the architecture by moving, and said character happens to be able to project sunlight out of his staff for prolonged periods.

Boy I wonder.

Originally posted by NemeBro
We have a character who can survive falling kilometers and fighting a creature who shakes the inside of a mountain with footsteps and crumbles the architecture by moving, and said character happens to be able to project sunlight out of his staff for prolonged periods.

Boy I wonder. Dwarven architecture no less.

Originally posted by Pwned
Or, y'know.....

You can drop it like you should have in the first page when people pointed out why your precious True Blood lost. But, then you wanted to take away anything in LOTR that could pose a threat in your eyes, huh?

Too bad you still haven't proven that Russell can do enough damage to put Gandalf down. A several mile fall into water, while on the chest of a flaming beast, fighting it down, chasing it up a mountain, and then blowing up the side of said mountain to kill said beast, totally means Gandalf can't take a guy who's best strength feat is to stop a braking car. I neutered TB side due to their ghosts being unkillable as well. Marnie and the ghosts could just possess LOTR characters yet I took it out. They still lose since vampires are too vast and there are too many of them.