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This is Voldemort from the movies only versus just this specific version of Ganondorf. Both are trapped in a room and want to kill each other. Two alpha male enter and only one can leave.

Stronger, faster with a far higher magical potency.. Ganondorf takes it.

Probably missing out of HP verse feats, though cant remember anything impressive from the films.

Assuming the killing curse works, voldemort has this. Especially with the elder wand.

That's an interesting perspective, what makes you think avadakedavra compares at all to a country-planetary level artifact? The master sword doesn't always put Ganondorf down for good, I highly doubt the killing curse could make him flinch.

Ganondorf will shrug off everything Voldemort can throw at him, Voldemort's magic just isn't strong enough. Also, Voldemort never got the Elder wand, IIRC, Dumbles denied him that by having Snape kill him.

That's why I said "assuming". I don't know if it will work, but if it does he can just do his cloud thing and dodge mos of G's more powerfull attacks until he gets an opening. If it doesn't work, he really doesn't have anything else in his arsenal. . . Except maybe imperio suicide.

I'm entirely confident that it wouldn't work.

Even Imperius curse suicide is out, since he couldn't overcome Ganondorf with it. mmm He's pretty much just screwed.

When has ganondorf ever resisted mind control? The imperius isn't just a jedi mind trick. It doesn't matter how strong willed you are, you need a certain set of tactics and training to overcome it.

I was thinking more of Ganondorf's innate magic resistance, frankly Voldemort's magic is altogether on too low a level to be considered. But that aside, Ganondorf has his own mind control feats which outshine any of Voldemort's, anyway. Aside from even that the triforce pieces are shown to protect their wielders. (See the execution scene, and the ToC transforming Link into a wolf rather than leaving him an exposed soul like the others in the Twilight Realm.)

in aLttP he mind controls all of the Hylian army from another dimension, in TP there's puppet Zelda, in OoT he has one of the sages mind controlled, though technically that was by twinrova. He's shown the ability to corrupt, control, and warp living beings on the whole spectrum over the course of the series, comparatively the imperius curse isn't a big deal, a battle of magic fuelled willpower is one Voldemort would lose even if he could effect Ganon.

Crush this infidel, Quan.

Get on Skype, Blax. We need to talk about my Psyker.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Assuming the killing curse works, voldemort has this. Especially with the elder wand.

You can also give Ganondorf the Elder Wand...

Originally posted by BloodRain
Stronger, faster with a far higher magical potency.. Ganondorf takes it.

Probably missing out of HP verse feats, though cant remember anything impressive from the films. Avada Kedavra. Dorf dies.Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's an interesting perspective, what makes you think avadakedavra compares at all to a country-planetary level artifact? The master sword doesn't always put Ganondorf down for good, I highly doubt the killing curse could make him flinch.

Ganondorf will shrug off everything Voldemort can throw at him, Voldemort's magic just isn't strong enough. Also, Voldemort never got the Elder wand, IIRC, Dumbles denied him that by having Snape kill him. Prove his magic isn't strong enough. You just troll in Dorf threads. You say he just tanks it just because while showing a clear lack of knowledge when it comes to the opposition because you are a fanboy.

Avada Kedavra didn't work on Harry Potter because of an effect described in universe as a "simple charm". haermm

Ganondorf meanwhile requires the use of a sword which doubles as a planetary scale artifact to put down. As always, feats or gtfo.

Unfortunately for you I've read the entire Harry Potter series multiple times, and Voldemort is outclassed in every way.

Ganondorf is explicitly immune to death while using the Triforce of Power.

Avada Kedavra's only function is killing.

Ergo, it shall not work on Ganon.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Avada Kedavra didn't work on Harry Potter because of an effect described in universe as a "simple charm". haermm

Ganondorf meanwhile requires the use of a sword which doubles as a planetary scale artifact to put down. As always, feats or gtfo.

Unfortunately for you I've read the entire Harry Potter series multiple times, and Voldemort is outclassed in every way. What does Dorf's durability have to do with avada kedavra ?

This is the movies only version.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf is explicitly immune to death while using the Triforce of Power.

Avada Kedavra's only function is killing.

Ergo, it shall not work on Ganon. He resisted death once and died the second time. The killing curse isn't in his reality so by your warped version the Silver Surfer cannot kill him since he's immune to death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does Dorf's durability have to do with avada kedavra ?

This is the movies only version. You missed the part where the sword has country-to-planetary scale magic? That's what it takes to give Ganondorf a timeout. Voldemort's magic would be useless.

Find a feat that suggests otherwise and I'll give you my attention again, I know how much you want that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He resisted death once and died the second time. The killing curse isn't in his reality so by your warped version the Silver Surfer cannot kill him since he's immune to death.

Silver Surfer is vastly more powerful than Voldemort or Avada Kedavra, more powerful than the goddesses who created the Triforce.

Voldemort isn't.

Nice strawman you have there. Of course you don't even know what a strawman is.

He was killed by the Master Sword, which explicitly is his weakness.

In TP, he got stabbed with The Execution Blade wielded by the Sage of Water. He got a boo boo and was massively pissed off. He should have died, but he didn't. Ganondorf has this.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf is explicitly immune to death while using the Triforce of Power.

Avada Kedavra's only function is killing.

Ergo, it shall not work on Ganon. lol

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You missed the part where the sword has country-to-planetary scale magic? That's what it takes to give Ganondorf a timeout. Voldemort's magic would be useless.

Find a feat that suggests otherwise and I'll give you my attention again, I know how much you want that. No, the sword is his opposite. The sword showed no power over anyone in a duel. It showed no significant advantage. You exaggerate like always, fanboy.

Prove Voldemort's magic would be worthless since the sages easily defeated Dorf prior to Link.

If you haven't seen the movies then say so, featboy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Silver Surfer is vastly more powerful than Voldemort or Avada Kedavra, more powerful than the goddesses who created the Triforce.

Voldemort isn't.

Nice strawman you have there. Of course you don't even know what a strawman is.

He was killed by the Master Sword, which explicitly is his weakness. So you rescind your claim that he is immune to death. Concession accepted.

The avada kedavra has nothing to do with durability. It's purpose is to kill you. You have to prove Dorf can resist this type of curse and it has nothing to do with durability.

You just agreed he can killed outside his weakness via the Surfer so you admitted that isn't the only way. I am making progress considering of course you know what progress means.

Avada Kedavra kills him since that is what it does.

In order for it to kill him it'd have to hit him, he'd have to not swat it away, it'd have to somehow penetrate his magic resistance, then it would have to overcome his immortality courtesy of the ToP, then he'd have to willingly remain lying down.

So if the first one happened (it won't) the second might because Voldemort's magic doesn't so much as tickle a being like Ganondorf, it wouldn't penetrate his magic resistance, it takes extremely powerful magic to do that, like the Master Sword which while depowered held at least an entire country in an indefinite time stop, and it certainly isn't overcoming the ToP, and Ganon letting Voldemort win is out of the question.

So, no, Quan, no.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove Voldemort's magic would be worthless since the sages easily defeated Dorf prior to Link.
Cant really compare that Ganondorf to the one you fight in the game. That Dorf was defeated by unknown means besides knowing that it involved the 7 sages who are powerful entities in LoZ lore, without him having the ToP until the second before a portal opened up and also before he got an upgrade from gaining power over Twilight.


The Killing Curse can be blocked and reflected, something Dorf frequently does with his own magic attacks against Link. If Tom fires it it can be hit right back at him.



Edit: Dammit Scream... Oh, and Dorf has his own killing curse to throw around. Even if Tom's soul lives, his body is destroyed by killing curses.


Edit2: Dodging arrows > dodging the curse beam.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In order for it to kill him it'd have to hit him, he'd have to not swat it away, it'd have to somehow penetrate his magic resistance, then it would have to overcome his immortality courtesy of the ToP, then he'd have to willingly remain lying down.

So if the first one happened (it won't) the second might because Voldemort's magic doesn't so much as tickle a being like Ganondorf, it wouldn't penetrate his magic resistance, it takes extremely powerful magic to do that, like the Master Sword which while depowered held at least an entire country in an indefinite time stop, and it certainly isn't overcoming the ToP, and Ganon letting Voldemort win is out of the question.

So, no, Quan, no. We see in the game that he isn't immortal. You haven't proven Dorf has a defense for this killing curse or that he can resist any magic at all. The mages beat him with their magic.

You claiming it won't tickle him when he hasn't shrugged off direct magic yet is hilarious. When did the sword do so in this game ? That also has nothing to do with anything and is more like a spell.

Voldemort kills him with one spell since Dorf will just try to tank it in character.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Cant really compare that Ganondorf to the one you fight in the game. That Dorf was defeated by unknown means besides knowing that it involved the 7 sages who are powerful entities in LoZ lore, without him having the ToP until the second before a portal opened up and also before he got an upgrade from gaining power over Twilight.


The Killing Curse can be blocked and reflected, something Dorf frequently does with his own magic attacks against Link. If Tom fires it it can be hit right back at him.



Edit: Dammit Scream... Oh, and Dorf has his own killing curse to throw around. Even if Tom's soul lives, his body is destroyed by killing curses.


Edit2: Dodging arrows > dodging the curse beam. Yes, we can gauge him. He was defeated by wizards despite his triforce of power amp he still lost. When he later gets his other supposed upgrade Link still bests him.

It an be blocked but the item is destroyed. When has it been reflected in the films in a manner Dorf can replicate ?

Give me an example of Dorf reflecting magic cast at him.

Tom Riddle wins. He is more powerful and has a killing curse that will live up to it's name. Dorf was defeated and easily both times he reared his ugly head.

Voldemort's more powerful than a guy who overlapped two dimensions across an entire country with only a fraction of his power? haermm Adorable. I'll let you wear the cat ears while I 'feed' you tonight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, we can gauge him. He was defeated by wizards despite his triforce of power amp he still lost. When he later gets his other supposed upgrade Link still bests him.

It an be blocked but the item is destroyed. When has it been reflected in the films in a manner Dorf can replicate ?

Give me an example of Dorf reflecting magic cast at him.

Tom Riddle wins. He is more powerful and has a killing curse that will live up to it's name. Dorf was defeated and easily both times he reared his ugly head.

Lost = getting sucked into a portal, and thats before he got the full power of the ToP which gradually increases over time as seen with Link. That Dorf < Dorf with full power over the ToP < Dorf with Twilight.
And you really cant compare him being bested and stabbed by Link with a holy sword and holy arrows to Tom. Holy paladin =/= dark wizard.


First we have it being rebounded back at him by Lily's charm. Second we have it being stalemated by magical attacks. Third is this;
" 'I have nothing more to say to you, Potter,' he said quietly. 'You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA!'
Harry had not even opened his mouth to resist; his mind was blank, his wand pointing uselessly at the floor.
But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth to land with a crash on the floor between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms to protect Harry."

Those three points together says that objects aren't always destroyed, it can be blocked by magic and that it can be deflected.


Agahnim ALttP, Agahnim's shadow LA (Both Ganondorf), Ganondorf OoT, Ganondorf possessing Zelda TP. They all shoot magical attacks at Link, and when he deflects them he can redeflect them back.


If Dorf can dodge an arrow, why cant he dodge this? Also counter to Dorfs death curse?

Ganondorf for the win.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Voldemort's more powerful than a guy who overlapped two dimensions across an entire country with only a fraction of his power? haermm Adorable. I'll let you wear the cat ears while I 'feed' you tonight. The triforce of power isn't his power. That's an item which failed him at the end. Dorf's own power had him chained like a p.o.w. and was easily dealt with. An amped Dorf was still defeated by the sages. Laughable.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lost = getting sucked into a portal, and thats before he got the full power of the ToP which gradually increases over time as seen with Link. That Dorf < Dorf with full power over the ToP < Dorf with Twilight.
And you really cant compare him being bested and stabbed by Link with a holy sword and holy arrows to Tom. Holy paladin =/= dark wizard. He was bound and chain like an s and m victim. Dorf then received an amp from an outside power source. Dorf still despite this was still defeated by means of a bfr.

You claim he was upgraded again but he was still defeated by a hero who lacked experience. Yes, I can. Titles are titles. You can pretend the sword is badass all you want because it killed the amped Dorf. I know the sword gave him no advantages over his enemies in the game. Link relied on Midna's aid, gear, and skill throughout his mega quest.

That's sacrificial love magic in a one on one duel so there goes that option. Secondly, when is it stalemated by magical attacks ? Thirdly, name the scene from the movie. This is the movie version.
When did this occur in the movie ?
You have been all over the map here and ignored the movies while citing something Dorf cannot replicate here. UIs his mother or a devout follower here to eat the curse ?

You cited other games whereas this is only the Tp version of Dorf. Secondly, Dorf can send his own reflected attacks in Zelda's body not someone elses. You seem extremely biased. You want to cite book showings, ignore context, and cite multiple zelda games. LOL.

A planetary level, sentient artifact, created to fight evil, and as a failsafe against the power of the completed triforce is a lot more impressive than a single target, easily dodged spell which can backfire if someone's mom gave a shit about them.

Sorry, boyo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A planetary level, sentient artifact, created to fight evil, and as a failsafe against the power of the completed triforce is a lot more impressive than a single target, easily dodged spell which can backfire if someone's mom gave a shit about them.

Sorry, boyo. Hyperbole really must turn you on. The sword killed him. The sword gives Link no advantages over anyone in that game. Just because it kills the 0-3 amped Dorf don't try to oversell it.

Dorf's power on his own had him as a submissive for the sages. Awful.

Avada Kedavra.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole really must turn you on. The sword killed him. The sword gives Link no advantages over anyone in that game. Just because it kills the 0-3 amped Dorf don't try to oversell it.

Dorf's power on his own had him as a submissive for the sages. Awful.

Avada Kedavra. None of that's hyperbole, that's the great part. You're trying to compare a small time spell to something more powerful on it's own than every character in Harry Potter combined.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
None of that's hyperbole, that's the great part. You're trying to compare a small time spell to something more powerful on it's own than every character in Harry Potter combined. The spell kills you. Dorf has no resistance. It has nothing to do with durability. Dorf loses again. 0-4. The guy kinda sucks.

Indeed he does. He's 1, too fast to be hit, 2, too resistant to magic to be affected, 3, capable of reflecting it with a swat, 4, not even incapacitated from 'dying' by normal means, so even if it did kill him he'd still win the fight.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Indeed he does. He's 1, too fast to be hit, 2, too resistant to magic to be affected, 3, capable of reflecting it with a swat, 4, not even incapacitated from 'dying' by normal means, so even if it did kill him he'd still win the fight. He wasn't too fast for the sages attacks or Link's. You haven't proven he can swat away other magical attacks in his own body or it's even in character(you already said he can tank it but now you say he reflects it). Make up your mind already. The outside amp let him resist the sword but the avada kedavra is instant death.

He was chained up when the Sage attacked him. And that only pissed him off.

Avada kedavra is small potatoes next to the master sword, so, no, it isn't.

You don't seem to realize Ganon is what Voldemort wants to be when he grows up. The things Voldemort attempted to do, Ganon succeeded at.

Horcruxes why? For immortality. Becoming unrivalled in power? Ganon achieved this, Voldemort did not.

Originally posted by KingD19
He was chained up when the Sage attacked him. And that only pissed him off. They already defeated him. That's the point.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Avada kedavra is small potatoes next to the master sword, so, no, it isn't.

You don't seem to realize Ganon is what Voldemort wants to be when he grows up. The things Voldemort attempted to do, Ganon succeeded at.

Horcruxes why? For immortality. Becoming unrivalled in power? Ganon achieved this, Voldemort did not. No, it isn't. What character can you oneshot in the game with the master sword ? The avada kedavra is a one shot kill method. LOL.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They already defeated him. That's the point. Before he had his piece of the triforce you nitwit.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Before he had his piece of the triforce you nitwit. When he got the outside amp they still defeated him. LOL. Even an amped Dorf is a loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was bound and chain like an s and m victim. Dorf then received an amp from an outside power source. Dorf still despite this was still defeated by means of a bfr.

You claim he was upgraded again but he was still defeated by a hero who lacked experience. Yes, I can. Titles are titles. You can pretend the sword is badass all you want because it killed the amped Dorf. I know the sword gave him no advantages over his enemies in the game. Link relied on Midna's aid, gear, and skill throughout his mega quest.

That's sacrificial love magic in a one on one duel so there goes that option. Secondly, when is it stalemated by magical attacks ? Thirdly, name the scene from the movie. This is the movie version.
When did this occur in the movie ?
You have been all over the map here and ignored the movies while citing something Dorf cannot replicate here. UIs his mother or a devout follower here to eat the curse ?

You cited other games whereas this is only the Tp version of Dorf. Secondly, Dorf can send his own reflected attacks in Zelda's body not someone elses. You seem extremely biased. You want to cite book showings, ignore context, and cite multiple zelda games. LOL.

One last time: He was defeated before he got the ToP... What on Earth does him being bfr'd have to do with his power or getting beaten?

His magical potency was increased, I didn't say anything about his physical body or weakness to the Master Sword. Right gonna look past most of that sentence cause it has nothing to do with your own point. You compared a guy with holy arrows/sword to a guy that throws magic around.. how is that a comparison? If Dorf gets stabbed by a magical holy sword that somehow means dark magic will beat him?


You're missing the point. It was deflected. It doesn't matter how or who, the fact is that the possibility is there and it can happen. That beam struggle with Harry and some other parts I read. Are you seriously going to ignore the official material and canon lore about the death curse cause you didnt see it in the movie? Even then theres scenes where the curse hits something and it only makes a very small explosion (GoF and OotP). The attacks Dorf deflects do the same thing.


They're all Ganondorf, especially the OoT on as that him with the same (well lower) level of power. And the TP example? He uses a sword to reflect the attacks. The same sword he uses to fight with in his body




And if he can dodge an arrow how will the curse hit him?

How did Ganon get the ToP? It just sort of appeared on the back of his hand?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he got the outside amp they still defeated him. LOL. Even an amped Dorf is a loser. Right, because Ganondorf at the weakest we've ever seen him on screen is 'amped'.

He wasn't at full power, had no idea what was going on at first, and got sucked through the mirror while he was surprised. Oh****. Wanna know what's interesting about that? It's of no use to Voldemort in this thread. Voldemort can't use the mirror, Ganondorf's not weakened or surprised, and non of Voldemort's spells are powerful enough to impact Ganondorf.

So, really, what's your point?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
How did Ganon get the ToP? It just sort of appeared on the back of his hand? Twilight Princess takes place after OoT, but that flashback was to a time during OoT.

At the end of OoT Link goes back in time, warns Zelda and prevents the events of the future timeline from ever happening, but Ganondorf in the alternate timeline still touched the triforce.

When he did in that alternate timeline, Ganondorf recieved it in both timelines.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Right, because Ganondorf at the weakest we've ever seen him on screen is 'amped'.

He wasn't at full power, had no idea what was going on at first, and got sucked through the mirror while he was surprised. Oh****. Wanna know what's interesting about that? It's of no use to Voldemort in this thread. Voldemort can't use the mirror, Ganondorf's not weakened or surprised, and non of Voldemort's spells are powerful enough to impact Ganondorf.

So, really, what's your point? The triforce of power is an outside power source which just amped him. Now you are still crying that an amped Dorf was easily defeated. LOL.

Yes, he did. He killed one and then was defeated. Dorf was too slow to react and was easily beaten. Voldemort can torture him with crucio or one shot him with avada kedavra.

The killing curse is better at killing than the shitty sword some inexperienced hero kills the retard Ganon with each time.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Twilight Princess takes place after OoT, but that flashback was to a time during OoT.

At the end of OoT Link goes back in time, warns Zelda and prevents the events of the future timeline from ever happening, but Ganondorf in the alternate timeline still touched the triforce.

When he did in that alternate timeline, Ganondorf recieved it in both timelines.

I probably shouldn't have asked.

Congratulations, your ignorance is showing. The ToP is standard for Ganondorf, it's 'his' piece, you might as well call Mjolnir an outside amp for Thor.


Prove that Voldemort's magic is powerful enough, burden of proof.

I've proven multiple times that Ganondorf has both magical and physical resistances that Voldemort cannot overcome. Castle destroying attacks do nothing to him and planetary level magic is required to put him down, what does Voldemort have in that range?

Provide something, or gtfo. I'm not replying until you bring something to the table worth discussing, it's a waste of time.

Originally posted by BloodRain
One last time: He was defeated before he got the ToP... What on Earth does him being bfr'd have to do with his power or getting beaten?
A bfr is a win on this forum. Did Dorf want to take a vaca ? No, that means he was beaten against his will.
That's an amp then. His physical body never displayed immunity to anything. The power triforce amped him to survive and then failed him against the master sword.

Why wouldn't it ? The dark magic is intended to kill. Why is Dorf immune ? You can't just think words like holy or what not mean something here.

It's his own magic and he's in another body. You can't provide one example of him in his own body blocking someone elses magic so you concede the point. The only time the beam was locked in was GOF and those were special circumstances outside Dorf's abilities.

Dorf never deflects anyone else's magic. When did Voldemort use the avada kedavra in OOTP ?


Alternate timelines mean different versions with different memories. This is just the TP Dorf.

When does Dorf do so in his own body against foreign magic ?

When does he dodge an arrow in TP ? He didn't dodge Link's sword which is far slower than an arrow. He also didn't dodge the sages either. LOL.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Congratulations, your ignorance is showing. The ToP is standard for Ganondorf, it's 'his' piece, you might as well call Mjolnir an outside amp for Thor.


Prove that Voldemort's magic is powerful enough, burden of proof.

I've proven multiple times that Ganondorf has both magical and physical resistances that Voldemort cannot overcome. Castle destroying attacks do nothing to him and planetary level magic is required to put him down, what does Voldemort have in that range?

Provide something, or gtfo. I'm not replying until you bring something to the table worth discussing, it's a waste of time. This Dorf used it as an amp. It clearly amped him. It didn't know him prior to so it's an amp for this version. he still lost right after he got it. Voldemort kills an amped Dorf. The funny thing is he didn't earn it. Thor's hammer was created for him and contains his own personal power. Read some comics. The triforce of power isn't Dorf's personal power.

We already know it's abilities. If you dispute it can't hurt him the burden is on you, jackass.

Destroying a castle has to do with durability and is entirely different than avada kedavra. It was also off screen and I believe Midna did so.

Says the guy who has been responding that it's suddenly a waste of time. You have to prove he can resist these attacks and quit going off on tangents that have nothing to do with this fight.

I already have proven as much.

It takes planetary magic to put Ganondorf down. Voldemort lacks planetary magic. Q.E.D.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I already have proven as much.

It takes planetary magic to put Ganondorf down. Voldemort lacks planetary magic. Q.E.D. No, you haven't. It's like saying Professor Xavier can't take out the Hulk because he can destroy planets all the while acting like mental attacks are the same as physical ones. Avada Kedavra kills him. He will still have all of his precious ginger hair for the open casket funeral. You need to disprove it otherwise you concede.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

It takes planetary level magic to put Ganondorf down. Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I already have proven as much.

It takes planetary magic to put Ganondorf down. Voldemort lacks planetary magic. Q.E.D.

The sword is magic.

Voldemort's magic is too weak to affect him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Reading comprehension is your friend.

It takes planetary level magic to put Ganondorf down.

The sword is magic.

Voldemort's magic is too weak to affect him. Magic can attack your physically, mentally, your soul, etc. You are just foolishly assuming all magic only attacks the durability of the flesh. The twilight sword can be parried by any knight with a sword and you call this planetary. When does it shatter other swords even ?

You need to prove it then.

The twilight sword? The **** are you even talking about? The Master Sword is the one that put Ganondorf down, lol.

And it's just a lot more powerful than Voldemort is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A bfr is a win on this forum. Did Dorf want to take a vaca ? No, that means he was beaten against his will.
But does it reflect on his abilities or in any way related to this thread? Because unless Tom brings out a bfr portal..

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's an amp then. His physical body never displayed immunity to anything. The power triforce amped him to survive and then failed him against the master sword.

Why wouldn't it ? The dark magic is intended to kill. Why is Dorf immune ? You can't just think words like holy or what not mean something here.
Upgrade, amp.. either way its a boost to his normal self and he didnt have it until much later.

I can when Dorf himself and others admit that its the holy power of the Master Sword thats his weakness. The Master Sword is the failsafe to the Triforce, kinda in the job description.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's his own magic and he's in another body. You can't provide one example of him in his own body blocking someone elses magic so you concede the point. The only time the beam was locked in was GOF and those were special circumstances outside Dorf's abilities.

Dorf never deflects anyone else's magic.

When does Dorf do so in his own body against foreign magic ?

Youre grasping at straws.

Was a magical attack deflected? Yes.

Was it him doing it? Technically yes as his body was literally inside/possessing her in his twilight form. Even if you dont want the feat here, him doing it in OoT proves he can do it with his own body.

Was it with the same weapon he's using in this match? Yes.


The Curse can be blocked with little to no damage, and despite special circumstances the Curse can be blocked by magic and reflected back at him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Voldemort use the avada kedavra in OOTP ?
In the bank fight scene I think, dunno googled that one. But I have seen the GoF one and its only does minor damage to a rock.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Alternate timelines mean different versions with different memories. This is just the TP Dorf.
Memories mean nothing if the body and powers are all equal. The only difference is when one version gets a special amp.

The OoT Link that fought Adult Link would have the /exact/ equal level of power to the TP one due to both having the same thing; the ToP.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When does he dodge an arrow in TP ? He didn't dodge Link's sword which is far slower than an arrow. He also didn't dodge the sages either. LOL.
The boss fight in both his beast form and his human form. He dodges arrows the second they're near him. Arrows > those magic beams.

Originally posted by BloodRain
But does it reflect on his abilities or in any way related to this thread? Because unless Tom brings out a bfr portal.. I never once said Tom defeats him in this manner but it does show how slow he is to react to attacks. He sat there as they did so.

I am glad you concede he is upgraded or amped.

I am also glad you admit the sword isn't really that powerful it's just anti Dorf. Link shows despite his lack of experience he can best dorf in a sword duel. That's just in Hyrule so Hyrule and Dorf specifically have no proven defenses against the killing curse.


No, I am not.

His own inside another body. The attack is also very slow. We are just using Tp versions only. Dorf didn't repel the sages magic when it was used against him.
He reflects his own magic in another body which is coming at a very slow rate of speed at him.

Prove it then. You claim it can so provide the links.

You clearly don't know. That's the problem with you zelda fans you argue without even being somewhat familiar with his opponent.

Yes, they do. You'd have to prove they are equal and in character. If I see someone gunned down irl and dedicate my life to martial arts then I am not equal to me living a life as a monk. This is only due to this game. Quit trying to break the rules because you love Dorf.

That isn't canon iirc an if he decides to use beast form it will be worse since he has to transform leaving himself vulnerable and since Midna just overpowers him when he gets close.

Crucio and dorf is on his back in extreme pain.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The twilight sword? The **** are you even talking about? The Master Sword is the one that put Ganondorf down, lol.

And it's just a lot more powerful than Voldemort is. I mistyped it after I have already called it the master sword many times. LOL. You need to prove it. The sword doesn't cut through other swords or oneshot killed anyone. So far the avada kedavra is winning.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I mistyped it after I have already called it the master sword many times. LOL. You need to prove it. The sword doesn't cut through other swords or oneshot killed anyone. So far the avada kedavra is winning.
Canon feats > Gameplay.

Can't even people in HP's universe develop resistance to spells? Like, I recall reading that Hagrid can take hits from spells that drop regular people all day long.

Hagrid is half giant. That's why he can take such punishment.

Hagrid is also the manliest character in the book. Only Dumbles competes.

Dobby is the manliest character in the series.

Hagrid > Dobby.

Scream is right, Hagrid>>>Dobby by quite a bit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once said Tom defeats him in this manner but it does show how slow he is to react to attacks. He sat there as they did so.
It instant the portals activated Dorf was being drawn into it. Nothing to do with reactions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am glad you concede he is upgraded or amped.

I am also glad you admit the sword isn't really that powerful it's just anti Dorf. Link shows despite his lack of experience he can best dorf in a sword duel. That's just in Hyrule so Hyrule and Dorf specifically have no proven defenses against the killing curse.
I was the one who said the Twilight increased his powers

Besides not making the pro to the swords strength, nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf and nor is 'who has the better sword skills'. I ask you to keep on track on both mine and your topic points.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am not.

His own inside another body. The attack is also very slow. We are just using Tp versions only. Dorf didn't repel the sages magic when it was used against him.
He reflects his own magic in another body which is coming at a very slow rate of speed at him.
So you think Zelda, who is both physically and magically weaker than Dorf and using his sword and being spiritually possessed by him so much that she flies and shoots blasts that she couldn't do before... and you think he cant do this? Listen carefully.. Im not using OoT as a feat here, but it still proves that Dorf+ToP can deflect it.

Did I mention the speed? No, Im talking about deflecting, keep on topic. How do you expect him do defect a portal..?

What proof do you have that magic attacks cant be deflected? Prove something.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it then. You claim it can so provide the links.

You clearly don't know. That's the problem with you zelda fans you argue without even being somewhat familiar with his opponent.

Youve seen the films, right? So you should remember the scene or know where to look for it. Atm cba getting links for someone that dosent provide any himself. Youtube it.

Movie = small burst
Novel = can be blocked

Seen all the films several times over and read half the books.. come again?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they do. You'd have to prove they are equal and in character. If I see someone gunned down irl and dedicate my life to martial arts then I am not equal to me living a life as a monk. This is only due to this game. Quit trying to break the rules because you love Dorf.

That isn't canon iirc an if he decides to use beast form it will be worse since he has to transform leaving himself vulnerable and since Midna just overpowers him when he gets close.

Crucio and dorf is on his back in extreme pain.
Youre right, TP Dorf is better OoT adult-timline Dorf has 7 years growth with the ToP. TP Dorf has many more years with the ToP, gains Twilight and a strong sword. TP Dorf has surpassed OoT Dorf.

You believe that the gameplay which makes Link take damage from any mook is canon, so the in-built code which allows Dorf to dodge arrows sticks even more for being a set animation.

(Also why do you keep thinking Im such a huge LoZ fan? O.o)





What does Tom have against Dorf's killing curse?

Because 'fanboy' is his default insult to anyone who happens to be correct around him.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It instant the portals activated Dorf was being drawn into it. Nothing to do with reactions.


I was the one who said the Twilight increased his powers

Besides not making the pro to the swords strength, nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf and nor is 'who has the better sword skills'. I ask you to keep on track on both mine and your topic points.
Dorf stood by as they reacted. Their actions weren't super fast or anything. He just stood back and was beaten.

Despite his increased powers he still loses. LOL.

I really wish I understood this sentence of yours so clean it up and ask again. You claimed it can defeat him which makes it Anti Dorf. Now you don't think it does. LOL. Link wins due to beating him at the end by being a better swordsman which has to do with skill level.
I think he can do so against his own magic. His magic can be reflected by a sword. to begin with. That's not how it works with Harry Potter spells so no it isn't going to follow the same rules of Zelda magic. It's also not in character since he doesn't do so in this game anyway in his own flesh.
portal is magic so since you claimed he can deflect magic why can't he deflect a portal ? I guess you concede the point.

It's your claim. You have zero examples of Dorf doing so in his own body. The only example you do have is him reflecting his own magic which was originally reflected by a sword. This isn't the case in the Potterverse. You can't just force Zelda's rules onto Potter magic. Prove it.

Refer to the movie I have no idea what you think you described. Which scene from which movie ?
?
Start making clear points I have no idea what you are even referring to half the time. It seems like you want to confuse me or something.

I could care less which Dorf you think is better. TP Dorf you claim is better yet he was defeated three times. LOL. He's so ridiculously awesome despite losing no matter whatever amp he stumbles across.


It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.


I have no idea what you are even referring to as his killing curse ? Explain what you mean and make some sense for once in your life.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Canon feats > Gameplay. They both count. One doesn't count while other doesn't. Life isn't black and white it's grey.Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because 'fanboy' is his default insult to anyone who happens to be correct around him. No, when they start spouting nonsense and start getting hypocritical the truth comes out. Dealwithit.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Can't even people in HP's universe develop resistance to spells? Like, I recall reading that Hagrid can take hits from spells that drop regular people all day long. Originally posted by AuraAngel
Hagrid is half giant. That's why he can take such punishment.

I actually think this is quite interesting in regards to this fight, I mean the Harry Potter Spells are shown to not be one hit wonders, they don't just immidiately effect the target that they hit if that Target has resistance. I mean didn't it take like 15 stunners to put down a Dragon? So I for one can see the reason in asking the question what effect it will have on this battle and Voldemort abilities to attack Ganondorf with the level of magical resistance he has.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf stood by as they reacted. Their actions weren't super fast or anything. He just stood back and was beaten.

Despite his increased powers he still loses. LOL.

I really wish I understood this sentence of yours so clean it up and ask again. You claimed it can defeat him which makes it Anti Dorf. Now you don't think it does. LOL. Link wins due to beating him at the end by being a better swordsman which has to do with skill level.
What exactly was Dorf reacting to? The sages pointing to the wall behind them? An image flashing on the wall? Because thats literally all he could react to. Now, unless you have something that connects an untelegraphed, non-threatening passive attack to anything Tom's doing in a vs fight, I think you may as well drop it.

Oh I'm sorry, when was the Twilight increase meant to make him beat the ToC+Master Sword?

Do you listen? "nothing I said singles out its power to being only anti-Dorf" Only being the key word. The Master Sword is not tailor made to be only an anti-Dorf weapon, its made to smite evil and counter the Triforce pieces.. two things that make up all of Dorfs powers.
Dorfs swordsmanship has nothing to do with this fight so I wont bother going into that.

"The legendary blade with the power to repel evil"
"Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword."
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he can do so against his own magic. His magic can be reflected by a sword. to begin with. That's not how it works with Harry Potter spells so no it isn't going to follow the same rules of Zelda magic. It's also not in character since he doesn't do so in this game anyway in his own flesh.

portal is magic so since you claimed he can deflect magic why can't he deflect a portal ? I guess you concede the point.

It's your claim. You have zero examples of Dorf doing so in his own body. The only example you do have is him reflecting his own magic which was originally reflected by a sword. This isn't the case in the Potterverse. You can't just force Zelda's rules onto Potter magic. Prove it.
'Magic' sword, Sages Sword and Master Sword. So you admit that Dorf can reflect magic but are just hooked on some minor 'its different here' point? Thats a start.

HP spells, especially stronger ones, are shot out in energy bursts. Thats what the portal isnt; an energy burst. The portal was a non-tangible, non-interactive light.. HP the killing curse is neither as it makes contact.

Yeah you've already admitted you think he can do it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Refer to the movie I have no idea what you think you described. Which scene from which movie ?
?
4th film where he's resurrected. Can't remember the part in the 5th film.

Wait why am I getting proving this claim? The Killing Curse is a tangible spell that can be physically interacted with, just like the spells Dorf deflects and there is no reason to think otherwise. If you have something that says his spell cant be interacted with (unlikely as Rowling herself wrote that it can be) then show it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Start making clear points I have no idea what you are even referring to half the time. It seems like you want to confuse me or something.
For thinking Im not familiar with HP when Ive seen the film more times than I care for.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less which Dorf you think is better. TP Dorf you claim is better yet he was defeated three times. LOL. He's so ridiculously awesome despite losing no matter whatever amp he stumbles across.

It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.
Not an opinion.

What has being defeated by the Master Sword got to do with being better? Its like youre not even trying to remember that its the Master Sword.. the weapon that not only smites even but counteracts the Triforce.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea what you are even referring to as his killing curse ? Explain what you mean and make some sense for once in your life.
Ive said it several times now how are you failing to grasp it?

Ganondorf, the other guy in this thread, has a killing curse.. that kills.. what does Tom have to defend against a killing curse?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a possibility sure but it isn't canon. He's also riding a horse, lol. You seem to ride his nutsack and ignore the context.
Noticed I missed this before I could edit.

So what youre saying is that Link suffering damage in gameplay is canon.. but Dorf dodging arrows in an in-built set animation is not?

1st fight is Zelda's possessed body, reflects magic.
2nd fight is as Ganon, can dodge arrows near the end of the fight.
3rd fight is on horseback.
4th fight is one-on-one with just Dorf, and he can dodge arrows.


These animations are more canon then receiving damage as the former will always happen, so you cant support one and ignore the other.

Originally posted by BloodRain
What exactly was Dorf reacting to? The sages pointing to the wall behind them? An image flashing on the wall? Because thats literally all he could react to. Now, unless you have something that connects an untelegraphed, non-threatening passive attack to anything Tom's doing in a vs fight, I think you may as well drop it.

Oh I'm sorry, when was the Twilight increase meant to make him beat the ToC+Master Sword?Dorf should have been assaulting the sages directing the attack. He just stood there and let them beat him. Tom's reflexes in his battle against Albus show how quick he reacts to attacks meant to kill him. Dorf will probably just sit there and let the attacks hit him based off his history.
So if it is anti evil and Dorf is the most evil guy in Hyrule it's tailor made to kill him. Dorf has powers of his own but he relies on the amp in most of the games because without it he's just some thief who is easily dominated by the sages like some common scab.
Concession accepted.
Yes, the master sword was designed to take someone out with the amped power of the triforce of power.

I admit he can reflect his own magic which can also be repelled by a sword. I also admit it's out of character for him to do so in his own body.
Yes, they are but we have never seen Dorf do so in his own body against another's energy burst other than his own which can be repelled.

Read it again.

If you are referring to gof then you are trying to hide the context of the scene.

In the fifth film when he does attempt the killing curse ?
I never said it can't be interacted with. Dorf reflects his own blasts that can be repelled never opposing magic. The books aren't the movies so why would I search for anything Rowling said. They are only based on the books.

What ?
I am saying he was defeated due to skill level and what not. The sword doesn't handicap Dorf it just makes him vulnerable. Dorf didn't lose because the master sword negates his power it just can kill him. He died because Link was the better man.
No, he doesn't. He might have a killing attack but he does not have a killing curse. There's a difference and you claiming they are the same is just silliness.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Noticed I missed this before I could edit.

So what youre saying is that Link suffering damage in gameplay is canon.. but Dorf dodging arrows in an in-built set animation is not?

1st fight is Zelda's possessed body, reflects magic.
2nd fight is as Ganon, can dodge arrows near the end of the fight.
3rd fight is on horseback.
4th fight is one-on-one with just Dorf, and he can dodge arrows.


These animations are more canon then receiving damage as the former will always happen, so you cant support one and ignore the other. It is possible but it's also possible Link dies despite us knowing it's canon that Link will win out in the end. The dodging depends on the skill level of the player. Dorf can dodge but if you are good enough he won't.

I never shot an arrow at him when I fought him with my sword in the final battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf should have been assaulting the sages directing the attack. He just stood there and let them beat him. Tom's reflexes in his battle against Albus show how quick he reacts to attacks meant to kill him. Dorf will probably just sit there and let the attacks hit him based off his history.
Why should he? Was there a time limit, or some reason he had to defeat some non-attacking sages? Like I said, what was Dorf meant to be reacting to here? Pointing at a wall or the wall lighting up?

And I dont need to ask if you know the difference between passively pointing at a wall to aggressively attacking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So if it is anti evil and Dorf is the most evil guy in Hyrule it's tailor made to kill him. Dorf has powers of his own but he relies on the amp in most of the games because without it he's just some thief who is easily dominated by the sages like some common scab.
The Master Sword was made to smite any evil that gains control of the Triforce, Dorf just happens to fit the bill just like any other evil force in LoZ (Vaati for example).

Tbh it is the ToP that makes him a major threat. Dorf without it was still a threat to everyone they they needed to band together to beat him.

But again this has nothing to do with this Dorf that does have it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.
If you want to debate it make a Ganondorf swordsman vs thread, as it is its admittedly not needed in non-sword fighting thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the master sword was designed to take someone out with the amped power of the triforce of power.

I admit he can reflect his own magic which can also be repelled by a sword. I also admit it's out of character for him to do so in his own body.

Yes, they are but we have never seen Dorf do so in his own body against another's energy burst other than his own which can be repelled.
And evil.. hence the whole 'to smite evil' and 'blade of evils bane' titles.

Now do you have anything to suggest that its limited to his own magic? Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one? Theres nothing to prove this.

Also 'out of character' means that its not something he usually does, when in TP this only happens once, so there's no questions on 'character'. The Dorf with the same powers has done so with his body in two games just to get an over all.

"So you think Zelda, who is both physically and magically weaker than Dorf and using his sword and being spiritually possessed by him so much that she flies and shoots blasts that she couldn't do before... and you think he cant do this?"

Basically prove its limited to his magic and prove its not something he can do with his own body, even when we know a 'naked' Dorf did so.


ALSO just watched some things and HP spells are certainly able to be reflected, small bursts and beams alike.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you are referring to gof then you are trying to hide the context of the scene.

In the fifth film when he does attempt the killing curse ?
How am I hiding it if you've seen the film? Harry hides being a monument, Tom fires and it chips the rock which falls in line with whats said in the book; it can be blocked by a physical item.

And Dorf has a physical item that has proven to intercept magic.

It there anything that says his sword cant block it? Forget repel for a second, just block.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it can't be interacted with. Dorf reflects his own blasts that can be repelled never opposing magic. The books aren't the movies so why would I search for anything Rowling said. They are only based on the books.
Because the books lore in what fuels the movie and her words about the spells > all. Thats like saying Dumbledore isn't gay because it was never said in the books. She said it, so its true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What ?
I am saying he was defeated due to skill level and what not. The sword doesn't handicap Dorf it just makes him vulnerable. Dorf didn't lose because the master sword negates his power it just can kill him. He died because Link was the better man.
....Thats your point? That he lost a sword fight? Swordsmanship has nothing to do in a situation where his opponent has no sword. His sword skills mean little here.

May as well say the same point youre making here with Tom losing to Harry. Or Tom getting his ass splattered by his own spell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he doesn't. He might have a killing attack but he does not have a killing curse. There's a difference and you claiming they are the same is just silliness.
He put a death curse on the Great Deku Tree.. it died.

And yes, it was done by the 'exact' same version as the one in TP. On that note what has Tom got against anyth

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is possible but it's also possible Link dies despite us knowing it's canon that Link will win out in the end. The dodging depends on the skill level of the player. Dorf can dodge but if you are good enough he won't.

I never shot an arrow at him when I fought him with my sword in the final battle.
The dodging has nothing to do with skill. Dorf can not be hit by arrows no matter what, he will always dodge an arrow mid-flight before it hits him.

Okay?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Why should he? Was there a time limit, or some reason he had to defeat some non-attacking sages? Like I said, what was Dorf meant to be reacting to here? Pointing at a wall or the wall lighting up?

And I dont need to ask if you know the difference between passively pointing at a wall to aggressively attacking.


The Master Sword was made to smite any evil that gains control of the Triforce, Dorf just happens to fit the bill just like any other evil force in LoZ (Vaati for example). Dorf should have pressed the attack since all but one still directly opposed him. He sat back and let them cast their magic to defeat him.

So you agree the sword from hyrule is made to smite Dorf. It's a checks and balances when someone starts getting creepy with the triforce of power.
Dorf and his thieves were a threat not just himself. Dorf became a threat once the triforce of power favored him.
I agree that Dorf does need the amp to compete here.

I was just making a few points but please don't be so sensitive about it from now on.
That's just hyperbole.

The sages magic sure worked fine against him. It's the only instance when someone used their own magic against him. They bound and defeated him just fine. So it seems the evidence supports myself and not you.
We are only arguing about this Dorf. You Zelda fans always want to argue based off of every Dorf and break the rules of the thread. This isn't allowed nor will it be tolerated any further. Drop it.


I think Dorf in Zelda's body can block his own attack which Link can also repel. That's pretty much it unless you can prove otherwise. I think it is just this specific attack.

I don't have to since Link can repel just this attack with his sword. Do you have any instances of Link repelling any other magical attacks wit his sword in this game ?

Beams can be met with other beams of energy. That's true.

That wasn't an Avada kedavra. That was just a blast. Why do you assume it was an avada kedavra since he didn't say the words ?
Dorf repelled his own magic which can be reflected by Link's sword or that specific attack. I don't think the sword will survive an avada kedavra personally. If he uses it to block once he doesn't have the option again.

She didn't direct the movies so the movies don't cover his sexuality. You are acting like the movies synced up completely with the movies. That is hardly if ever the case. Movies are different than the books trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.
My point was that his experience is what I call into question since he was beaten by someone with very little training and time. Voldemort is also the greatest dark wizard out of a world with a shit ton of wizards. That's impressive me thinks.
Tom lost due to context. At no point is Harry a better wizard nor would anyone back him against Tom. Link is Dorf's superior straight up by the end of the game. Apples to oranges.
No, it isn't. This is Tp Dorf. We see him banished from Hyrule after the triforce favors him and then only return after many years. It's a different Dorf and against the rules of the thread. Quit trying to circumvent the rules.
That's just a gameplay mechanic that forces you to out duel him. It's like saying Gorons can't be hurt by other means without the boots since the game simply won't allow it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf should have pressed the attack since all but one still directly opposed him. He sat back and let them cast their magic to defeat him.

So you agree the sword from hyrule is made to smite Dorf. It's a checks and balances when someone starts getting creepy with the triforce of power.
So because of a decisional choice not to engage defenceless, passive acting beings.. for that reason it somehow means his skill/magical powers were bested and is something that gives Tom a victory?

The Sword was made to smite any evil, not Dorf specifically, evil in general, not just those that touch the Triforce.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf and his thieves were a threat not just himself. Dorf became a threat once the triforce of power favored him.

I agree that Dorf does need the amp to compete here.

I was just making a few points but please don't be so sensitive about it from now on.
Must be a big deal to be called the demon king (or something like that) and receive an execution from the sacred sages themselves. Though at this level he'd only be around mid-game boss level.

Don't call 'concession' if you don't want a response :T

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just hyperbole.

The sages magic sure worked fine against him. It's the only instance when someone used their own magic against him. They bound and defeated him just fine. So it seems the evidence supports myself and not you.
It isnt when the title can prove its worth. And the Sword does so with Dorf, with the fact that its more powerful against enemies, that evil beings can't even touch the blade and that whole business in the Twilight realm. Add evil smite +1.

"Any instance where he's failed to block an 'attack' (read, actual attack) or failed to reflect one?"
Its like I predicted your response. Summoning a portal =/= magic attack that can be interacted with. Summoning portal =/= anything to do with Tom's attacks here.

Unless you mean before they chained him up. The unseen instance with unknown assistance under unknown circumstances and without his Triforce piece which we both agree makes him vastly more powerful..

Originally posted by quanchi112
We are only arguing about this Dorf. You Zelda fans always want to argue based off of every Dorf and break the rules of the thread. This isn't allowed nor will it be tolerated any further. Drop it.

I think Dorf in Zelda's body can block his own attack which Link can also repel. That's pretty much it unless you can prove otherwise. I think it is just this specific attack.

I don't have to since Link can repel just this attack with his sword. Do you have any instances of Link repelling any other magical attacks wit his sword in this game ?
Hey you asked about his character and I told you about what's 'in character' for Ganondof. If you cant except a simple thing like that that aint my problem that we clearly see a /weaker/ version of TP Dorf do the /exact/ same thing he did in TP that kicks your character issue to they curb.

Alrighty, and what's your solid reasoning behind Zelda, who is magically and physically inferior to Dorf, being able to do so when he can't? Dangerous territory son, seeing as its not Link thats able to do this but the Master Sword itself. The sword which is the very same blade in other games.

And no, the proofs all there for both of them.. if you want to say 'it only happened with that attack, so it wont happen with others' or something like that then whats stopping me from applying the same logic to the HP verse? HP spells have never hit the Triforce before, right? A magic attacks shoots towards him, he knocks it back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Beams can be met with other beams of energy. That's true.
So its a fact that their attacks can be deflected in some manner

Originally posted by quanchi112
That wasn't an Avada kedavra. That was just a blast. Why do you assume it was an avada kedavra since he didn't say the words ?
In the books theres a scene where.. batshitchrazy woman does it without calling its name.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf repelled his own magic which can be reflected by Link's sword or that specific attack. I don't think the sword will survive an avada kedavra personally. If he uses it to block once he doesn't have the option again.
Already covered this above, he's able to, Link and the Master Sword are able to, oh and the attack explodes if it makes contact with the ground or Link.. so its not some easy-to-bounce move.

Why? Why reason is there that AK will destroy his sword.. how do you kill an inanimate object? The main instance where Tom uses it to hit a non-living thing is that statue in the books, and it harmlessly bounces off like it was nothing. Proof his sword will 'die'?

Originally posted by quanchi112
She didn't direct the movies so the movies don't cover his sexuality. You are acting like the movies synced up completely with the movies. That is hardly if ever the case. Movies are different than the books trying to say otherwise is ridiculous.
So in the movie he's straight because no scene said otherwise, even if she states he's gay? They don't sync up, but book lore oversees movie lore. If there's some small detail about something that didn't make it to the movie it doesn't mean that point is doesn't exist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My point was that his experience is what I call into question since he was beaten by someone with very little training and time. Voldemort is also the greatest dark wizard out of a world with a shit ton of wizards. That's impressive me thinks.

Tom lost due to context. At no point is Harry a better wizard nor would anyone back him against Tom. Link is Dorf's superior straight up by the end of the game. Apples to oranges.
Link, a guy that picks up swords, shields and a bow&arrows and instantly knows how to properly wield them to expert-like precision? He picks up skills unnaturally quick and was taught by that Spirit Knight. And thats still his sword skill, not magical potency.

It is impressive by HP standards.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't. This is Tp Dorf. We see him banished from Hyrule after the triforce favors him and then only return after many years. It's a different Dorf and against the rules of the thread. Quit trying to circumvent the rules.
Yeah, no, it actually is. Link went back in time to his childhood to warn the kingdom about Dorf and that was the thing that set in motion the events that led up to the sages execution in TP. OoT Adult timeline Dorf was killed at the end of the game. OoT Child timeline Dorf was the got captured and banished to the Twilight realm.

Child Era: The Prince of Thieves Ganondorf is executed (TP scene) -> the events of Twilight Princess.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just a gameplay mechanic that forces you to out duel him. It's like saying Gorons can't be hurt by other means without the boots since the game simply won't allow it.
Bad example as Link can easily fight Gorons without the boots on, you have to fight them (actual combat, not stopping them roll or wrestling) to get up Death Mountain.

And the arrow thing is more canon than Link taking damage from enemies as its a set animation that will always happen if you fire an arrow, taking damage isnt something that will always happen.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So because of a decisional choice not to engage defenceless, passive acting beings.. for that reason it somehow means his skill/magical powers were bested and is something that gives Tom a victory?

The Sword was made to smite any evil, not Dorf specifically, evil in general, not just those that touch the Triforce.


Must be a big deal to be called the demon king (or something like that) and receive an execution from the sacred sages themselves. Though at this level he'd only be around mid-game boss level.

Don't call 'concession' if you don't want a response :T They had already tied him up and tried to kill him. His inability to do anything past his first attack is the reason they banished him. Dorf was one of the shittiest end guys since he got beat three times in one game. Tom gets the victory due to his quicker reflexes, magical power, and killing curse.

You can't attach a no limits fallacy to this sword. Only a zelda fan would say something so blatantly fanboyish like this. This is what makes me pity the entire Zelda brigade. It is statements like these which make me feel sorry for you.

Dorf was humiliated by being their prisoner. Even more so after the triforce of power favored him and he was still beaten despite the mega amp.

Then please quit conceding to me.

Dorf was already beaten without the sword. The sword just resisted the triforce's attempts to bring him back or resist death which only worked once anyway. Just anti magic to evil and power. No big deal and this type of thing occurs in fiction all the time.

I never said it did. Summoning the portal shows Dorf's slow reaction time during a conflict. Voldemort would have ample time to send a lot of powerful attacks his way or the killing curse which would end him in a blast.

I think we can leave this be since you agree he's far weaker without the mega amp the triforce gives him.

Different versions of Dorf with different histories so no it's not in character for this Dorf making your comments irrelevant.

I said he can with his own easily reflectable magic but not all magic. It's on you to prove it but like I said it isn't in character anyway while he is in his own body. He only does so while possessing Zelda.
If a solid beam hits the other solid beam of energy then yes. This isn't an example of avada kedavra save the special circumstances in GOF which are irrelevant to Dorf. You need proof of it or him doing so in his own body. You don't have any proof thus you have no choice but to concede.

So you don't have any proof Link's sword is special and can block magic but you just say so because well you are a fanboy. It's the master sword(planetary magic, insert other ridiculous hyperbole).

We aren't arguing the books here so again quit bringing up this sort of material because it is irrelevant. It won't kill the sword but it will damage it even by your own logic you agree.

In the books he is gay but you have no proof the directors even covered this or gave it serious thought. The movies and books aren't all the same. So you'd need to prove it. It is something the movies didn't address but the books did. That's all.

No, his lack of experience and his lack of power also make this embarrassing for Dorf. Dorf has the most powerful plot device backing him in this game yet Link beats him with a weapon which can kill him. The weapon doesn't make Link able to that's his skill and what not. Link just beats him and Dorf can't resist death like he normally does. It shows how weak Dorf is despite all the triforce of power does for him.
No, in Hp the characters are far greater than the characters in Zelda. The wizards and the various creatures are far more impressive and intelligent than the characters from Zelda.
I won't read the OOT Link due to not beating it despite being at the end. Don't ruin this for me and drop all references to OOT. Link can't overpower them without having them on.

It just shows you can't hit him with an arrow and have to fight him with your sword. That's it. Only a fanboy would try to make something out of this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They had already tied him up and tried to kill him. His inability to do anything past his first attack is the reason they banished him. Dorf was one of the shittiest end guys since he got beat three times in one game. Tom gets the victory due to his quicker reflexes, magical power, and killing curse.

You can't attach a no limits fallacy to this sword. Only a zelda fan would say something so blatantly fanboyish like this. This is what makes me pity the entire Zelda brigade. It is statements like these which make me feel sorry for you.

Dorf was humiliated by being their prisoner. Even more so after the triforce of power favored him and he was still beaten despite the mega amp.

Then please quit conceding to me.
Now who ever said the sages tied him up? The sages are there to execute him, not do battle with him. So its because of a decisional choice not to engage defenceless, passive acting beings which means nothing.

Miscommunication. I don't mean that a single touch will instantly destroy anything evil, but it is more effective on them.

I take it you can show me how he was captured? Please do. And come now, youre going to chalk up his loss when the Master Sword was made to defeat someone in his position?

Find me the quote where I say "I concede to your argument" on anything I'm not admitting to :T

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf was already beaten without the sword. The sword just resisted the triforce's attempts to bring him back or resist death which only worked once anyway. Just anti magic to evil and power. No big deal and this type of thing occurs in fiction all the time.

I never said it did. Summoning the portal shows Dorf's slow reaction time during a conflict. Voldemort would have ample time to send a lot of powerful attacks his way or the killing curse which would end him in a blast.
Soo you agree that it does repel evil powers?

Alright, sharing time again. Tom's standing there and a wall in front of him lights up. At what part does his reactions allow him to know that a portal is forming behind him? At what point does he choose to kill all of the sages instantaneously when they're not attacking him and are shaking in fear?.. Actually no, we know he would do the same thing Dorf did. HPGoF, resurrection scene, Tom talks to Harry, plays with Harry and then finally goes to kill Harry. OotP (or somewhere with the white floor) when Tom beats Harry he simply stands over him talking, and before he finishes him off he gets distracted. Tom's not always in 'auto kill all' mode either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think we can leave this be since you agree he's far weaker without the mega amp the triforce gives him.
As long as you can admit pre-ToP Dorf has nothing to do with this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Different versions of Dorf with different histories so no it's not in character for this Dorf making your comments irrelevant.

I said he can with his own easily reflectable magic but not all magic. It's on you to prove it but like I said it isn't in character anyway while he is in his own body. He only does so while possessing Zelda.

If a solid beam hits the other solid beam of energy then yes. This isn't an example of avada kedavra save the special circumstances in GOF which are irrelevant to Dorf. You need proof of it or him doing so in his own body. You don't have any proof thus you have no choice but to concede.
Yeah its in character, its not my fault you can't accept things. Ive already given the proof; magic explodes on contact so isnt some bouncy spell, Dorf > Zelda in every single way, Zelda had no magic powers at that time besides what Dorf was so no reason she could do anything, other weaker Dorfs have done so..

..now prove its easily reflectable magic when it explodes on contact with anything else. Prove its only Zelda's body that can do this when Dorf has everything Zelda has and more.. same sword, physically stronger, greater magical potency, far better control of powers.. Provide some reasons for you claims for once instead of just giving the most basic, weak answers of 'nah, don't count'. I even asked you for your solid reasoning before.


So it 'can' be deflected? All I needed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you don't have any proof Link's sword is special and can block magic but you just say so because well you are a fanboy. It's the master sword(planetary magic, insert other ridiculous hyperbole).

We aren't arguing the books here so again quit bringing up this sort of material because it is irrelevant. It won't kill the sword but it will damage it even by your own logic you agree.
"don't have any proof Link's sword is special" Yes, the Master Sword is a common hunk of metal.. no magical powers or stated repelling abilities at all I don't care about whatever planet thing or hyperbole youre talking about, the sword is stated to repel evil and has been shown to do so, being proof to its clam... as youve admitted a few moments ago.
The Master Sword repels/blocks magic and energy attacks (attacks from several characters, was even able to absorb and charge up from a lightning bolt), destroys barriers and protects the user from magic spells like curses. Farore's Flame made it "twice its original strength" of the Goddess Sword, which was already stronger than a normal sword. Din's Flame further increased its strength and sacred light, and the final Goddess blessing further increased that.
Normal sword < Goddess Sword < w/Farore < w/Din < w/Goddess blessing. That and using move like the Great Spin coats it in a magic damaging light. Its a powerful magical and physical blade, more if youre evil.



Of course, cause the real canon would weaken your side right? Prove it can damage the sword then, don't just give your opinion on the matter. I know for a fact that it wont seeing as it bounces of statues.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In the books he is gay but you have no proof the directors even covered this or gave it serious thought. The movies and books aren't all the same. So you'd need to prove it. It is something the movies didn't address but the books did. That's all.

No, his lack of experience and his lack of power also make this embarrassing for Dorf. Dorf has the most powerful plot device backing him in this game yet Link beats him with a weapon which can kill him. The weapon doesn't make Link able to that's his skill and what not. Link just beats him and Dorf can't resist death like he normally does. It shows how weak Dorf is despite all the triforce of power does for him.
So youre going to ignore every lore that didnt pop up in the film, even if its canon to the verse. Why are you always against what a fictions creator states?

Just had to read through the fan-hate to get to the relevant part. "It shows how weak Dorf is despite all the triforce of power does for him" Yes Im sure it shows he's weak when he and the ToP lose to the one weapon that was made to defeat someone like him with the Triforce.. Its like you don't read. Thats like saying a vampire is weak for losing to fire. Of course they're going to lose to their weaknesses.

And even if you were right here, it still has nothing to do with this fight unless you want to give Tom the Master Sword.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, in Hp the characters are far greater than the characters in Zelda. The wizards and the various creatures are far more impressive and intelligent than the characters from Zelda.
Like I said, impressive by HP standards. Means nothing here. Though besides Tom, Albus, maybe one or two other wizards on that level and probably a those fierce dragons (not the wimp ones), what else? LoZ still has a bunch of Gorons who can punch room sized rocks about, Shadow Beasts who can tank bombs and one-shot anyone here, or the rain of arrows theyll receive, aerial assault from flying beasts, skelleton knights, intangible ghosts.. even massive things like that skeleton dragon. even for the monsters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I won't read the OOT Link due to not beating it despite being at the end. Don't ruin this for me and drop all references to OOT. Link can't overpower them without having them on.

It just shows you can't hit him with an arrow and have to fight him with your sword. That's it. Only a fanboy would try to make something out of this.
Being ignorant to save face? Clicking that link and reading what I posted there and before gives solid proof that the Ganondorf in the child era of OoT is the exact same person as the Ganondorf in TP. Now you're admitting to ignoring facts.

Urm, yeah he can. You fight Gorons on death mountain without the boots, just the sword. You should know this if you've played the game.

"you can't hit him with an arrow" yeah that was kinda my point, but thanks for saying it again? Anyhow seeing as set animations that always happen > taking damage in gameplay, if you want to ignore the arrows then there goes that 'anyone can hurt Link' argument. Just like in WW, and just like in the Ganon fight right before, Ganondorf can dodge arrows.



Face it, your made HP stronger by ignoring things in the books like how AK fails on inanimate objects, then you gimp TP by ignoring its history and lore and then throwing your personal 'portrayals' around which funnily enough only effect your oppositions side. Why is it you think the HP verse is superior to the TP verse when you strengthen the formers side and limit the latter?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Now who ever said the sages tied him up? The sages are there to execute him, not do battle with him. So its because of a decisional choice not to engage defenceless, passive acting beings which means nothing.

Miscommunication. I don't mean that a single touch will instantly destroy anything evil, but it is more effective on them.

I take it you can show me how he was captured? Please do. And come now, youre going to chalk up his loss when the Master Sword was made to defeat someone in his position?

Find me the quote where I say "I concede to your argument" on anything I'm not admitting to :T I assumed the sages defeated him in combat. In any event it matters not since we see the ages do just that after his triforce amp kicks in. What do you mean defenseless beings ? They just tried to execute Dorf they were far from defenseless.

It kills them but doesn't power up Link in any way. It just allows him to kill Dorf. It's a plot device which has been done to death in fiction. In other areas of fiction the plot device makes the user more formidable but not in this game.

I don't need to show them capturing him since they defeated him before our eyes with the triforce of power favoring soulless ginger. Link needed aid and the skill to do so. Dorf lost due to being outfought in a sword battle. That's what ultimately lost him his life.


I agree it's a plot device needed in Hyrule to offset the other plot device in the triforce of power. This isn't something new or fresh.


Tom wasn't defeated by Dumbledore. Dorf was defeated by the sages. It's not just the heroes but every hero he's faced directly that we've seen that has defeated him. Tom also lost due to a multitude of reasons. It wasn't that Harry was more skilled it was due to the wand resisting Tom and actually being in the possession of Harry the entire time. It was also due to his friends eliminating every horcrux. It was through a lot of aid and trickery. Dorf at the end faced and lost to Link in a battle of skill. Awful.

With regards to the sages Tom would have been avada kedavraing their asses up. Tom also could send one giant fire basilisk their way. Tom also can slash his wand which can cut the foe or shoot mega fireballs out of his wand. Or simply blast them.
He doesn't I just find it funny how incompetent all Dorfs seem to be.

It's in character in Zelda's body with a certain ball of energy. Not all magic is the same. I never once contested that. I never said Dorf couldn't do so in his own body I just said he wouldn't do so.
Yes. I believe this specific attack can easily be repelled. Otherwise we'd see Link lopping off magical attacks the entire game and not just this one specific attack. I already have.

What attack do you believe Dorf can meet his solid beam with his own solid beam of energy ?

That's also not the avada kedavra.
I agree it is a plot device weapon made to counter the triforce of power but besides that it offers no real advantage. It doesn't break or destroy other swords or give the user any extra abilities.

No, not more it just counters the triforce of power. That's it.


When did it bounce of statues ? Voldemort's dark magic he unleashes itself has destroyed cement like structures. When did it bounce off a statue ?

The fictional creator only has to do with her own book. The films slightly deviate and in some cases go to new ground all together. She wasn't the director so quit acting like she called the shots.
It wasn't weakness exploitation. The master sword doesn't automatically beat him the wielder displayed more skill. Dorf couldn't resist having the sword impaled in his side. Being around the sword doesn't make him drop to his knees like k-nite would do to Superman.
Just pointing out that someone far less powerful than Dorf and with far less experience sonned him.
Hp has the Giants, the golems, werewolves, giant spiders, dementors, the basilisk, the centaurs, Bellatrix, Dumbledore's brother, bellatrix Lestrange, Dobby.

The Giants alone would dwarf the Gorons and were far more impressive. That didn't stop wizards from ruling this magical world. You fail to see what an army of wizards would be capable of.
I won't read in not having played through oot. What don't you get about that ?

My whole point had to do with physically contesting them. You cannot beat them without the boots in terms of strength.
I never once said someone would kill him with an arrow. He can also be struck by arrows even on horseback. He also can be struck by far slower swords. LOL.

I didn't strengthen the Potterverse. They can time travel, freeze their opponents in their tracks, mindcontrol, shapeshift, etc. If I used any tactic employed in the Potterverse it's a horrific stomp. If anything I have given the Zelda camp a chance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I assumed the sages defeated him in combat. In any event it matters not since we see the ages do just that after his triforce amp kicks in. What do you mean defenseless beings ? They just tried to execute Dorf they were far from defenseless.
It kills them but doesn't power up Link in any way. It just allows him to kill Dorf. It's a plot device which has been done to death in fiction. In other areas of fiction the plot device makes the user more formidable but not in this game.
I don't need to show them capturing him since they defeated him before our eyes with the triforce of power favoring soulless ginger. Link needed aid and the skill to do so. Dorf lost due to being outfought in a sword battle. That's what ultimately lost him his life.
Do they defeat him and his power in combat or do they simply open a portal behind him? Think the sages like the guy who administers the lethal injection. Poses no threat without a needle in hand the the guy strapped down. And Dorf knew it, they were shaking and shuddering at the very sight of him.

Wasnt the point about it its effectiveness? Cause being more damaging than any normal sword with +1 smiting is something.

No aid, skill something.. again man, sword skill. Sword. Not magic or anything else.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tom wasn't defeated by Dumbledore. Dorf was defeated by the sages. It's not just the heroes but every hero he's faced directly that we've seen that has defeated him. Tom also lost due to a multitude of reasons. It wasn't that Harry was more skilled it was due to the wand resisting Tom and actually being in the possession of Harry the entire time. It was also due to his friends eliminating every horcrux. It was through a lot of aid and trickery. Dorf at the end faced and lost to Link in a battle of skill. Awful.
With regards to the sages Tom would have been avada kedavraing their asses up. Tom also could send one giant fire basilisk their way. Tom also can slash his wand which can cut the foe or shoot mega fireballs out of his wand. Or simply blast them.
O_o that in no way related to anything I said..

Listing Tom's powers is all well and good, but now you're forgetting about his character. As said there are times where instead of killing someone he stands there, sometimes just talking or gloating. We know Tom isnt always in auto-kill mode so no, he wouldnt be launching his best attacks at these helpless guys. Not in his character.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's in character in Zelda's body with a certain ball of energy. Not all magic is the same. I never once contested that. I never said Dorf couldn't do so in his own body I just said he wouldn't do so.
Im talking about the same spell that gets reflected.

So Dorf can do so in his own body and his character has done so when he was possessing Zelda. Thats character + capable man.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes. I believe this specific attack can easily be repelled. Otherwise we'd see Link lopping off magical attacks the entire game and not just this one specific attack. I already have.
Why that specific attack? The attack erupts on contact unless its repelled, so its not the attack. Whats the proof that no other magic attack can be reflected? (Even if the master sword has done so several times)
Originally posted by quanchi112
What attack do you believe Dorf can meet his solid beam with his own solid beam of energy ?
That's also not the avada kedavra.
Not thinking he beam-locks it, my point was that he could just deflect it or block it and throw it back once Tom stops firing. We know it can be blocked, we know it has been reflected, we know Dorf can reflect attacks, we know his sword will be fine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree it is a plot device weapon made to counter the triforce of power but besides that it offers no real advantage. It doesn't break or destroy other swords or give the user any extra abilities.
No, not more it just counters the triforce of power. That's it.
Im not giving an opinion, Im stating a fact;
-Link's knight sword is weaker than the Goddess Sword before it got any special abilities.
-Farore is stated to make the blade sharper to become twice as powerful, and ends up dealing twice the damage.
-Din and the Goddess both up the strength of the Sword.
-Not even talking about its magical or smiting powers, purely physical stuff.
=In canon the Master Sword is physically several times stronger than any normal blade.

The MS allows the user to channel their lifeforce through the blade to either shoot out blade beams or charge up slashes, TP Link can do the latter.
=Extra abilities, other Link's have been able to channel other magic spells through the sword, not important though.

"The goddess has blessed your blade (...) The sword is now imbued with the mythical power to drive back demons"
"You got the Master Sword! The legendary blade with the power to repel evil"
"The flames of Din have imbued your blade with a sacred white light that demons revile"
"The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it."
"The Master Sword--the evil-destroying sword that you pulled out of the Pedestal of Time"
"I offered my prayers here in the Earth Temple, praying that the power to repel evil would ever remain within the Master Sword."
"You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless"
"Link, the power to repel evil is not yet fully awakened."
"Link, I have fully restored the power to repel evil to your Master Sword"
"Now that the Master Sword is once again blessed with the power to repel evil"
"Its blade was specially tempered to resist evil power"
"The Master Sword was also forged to repel evil magic"

..yeah, its super effective on evil and evil magic. Not just those with the Triforce. Just like how Midna was effected by it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did it bounce of statues ? Voldemort's dark magic he unleashes itself has destroyed cement like structures. When did it bounce off a statue ?
The fictional creator only has to do with her own book. The films slightly deviate and in some cases go to new ground all together. She wasn't the director so quit acting like she called the shots.
I not long posted the quote.

Yeah, she was only the creator.. no credit to what she says is true. If Rowling says the AK curse can bounce of statues like nothing, thats true for the spell.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasn't weakness exploitation. The master sword doesn't automatically beat him the wielder displayed more skill. Dorf couldn't resist having the sword impaled in his side. Being around the sword doesn't make him drop to his knees like k-nite would do to Superman.
Just pointing out that someone far less powerful than Dorf and with far less experience sonned him
So thats all its about? Sword skill? In a 100% swordfight, with no magic, abilities or other moves besides those of the sword?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hp has the Giants, the golems, werewolves, giant spiders, dementors, the basilisk, the centaurs, Bellatrix, Dumbledore's brother, bellatrix Lestrange, Dobby.
The Giants alone would dwarf the Gorons and were far more impressive. That didn't stop wizards from ruling this magical world. You fail to see what an army of wizards would be capable of.
IMO those few Giants/the Basilisk/Dragons are on the level of Blizzeta/Death Sword/Stallord/Dragons, with some advantage to HP monster high-tiers for having a few more in their ranks. Though, a giant swung for Harry, struck a bell with its huge weapon and failed to even dent it. Unable to dent a bell < Gorons strength feats.
Though LoZ takes the monster mid-tier and low-tier easily.

The biggest problem with HP is that they're glass cannons, all of them. All of the Wizards have normal human bodies, speed, reactions, durability.. if it lands and isn't blocked anything from the LoZ side can one-shot them. The spiders, centaurs, werewolves are just as durable. The Basilisk was killed by a human strength and a sword. Even a Giant collapsed defeated when a stature hit its leg.

Total is like I said, HP has the numbers but are glass cannons, LoZ has the power and can take a hit.

And no actually, I'm not failing to see anything. Ive seen the last film with a near literal wizard army.. Force push blasts, exploding spells making either tiny blasts or wall sized blasts, patronum, expelliarmus.. can't recall anything else. That and a lot of running from wizards and small monsters like spiders. So the creatures giving the numbers is the only thing that lets them compete. Theyre lucky they have the high-tier wizards as they're the only challenge on the HP side.
Besides maybe the patromum a Shadow Beast can tank every one of those spells in that 'war' scene.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I won't read in not having played through oot. What don't you get about that ?
Because theres no spoilers, no 'must play to get this' requirements. And its a solid piece of evidence that states that Child timeline Dorf is the very same Dorf in TP.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My whole point had to do with physically contesting them. You cannot beat them without the boots in terms of strength.
He can lift them without the boots. He can throw them without the boots. He can take hits from them without the boots.

Youve already admitted that Link has superhuman strength. Youve also admitted that the boots only required for him to stop a charging one, youve failed to comment on the lifting and throwing so I can only assume you cant without admitting Link has this feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once said someone would kill him with an arrow. He can also be struck by arrows even on horseback. He also can be struck by far slower swords. LOL.

I didn't strengthen the Potterverse. They can time travel, freeze their opponents in their tracks, mindcontrol, shapeshift, etc. If I used any tactic employed in the Potterverse it's a horrific stomp. If anything I have given the Zelda camp a chance.

C'mon that wasnt even an attempt. Might want to notice how A) throughout the fight he has his back, maybe side to Zelda and B) how can he dodge when he's sitting on a horse?

We even have another instance, Beast Ganon, to confirm that he can dodge arrows. Throughout the fight Ganon is wildly running around and can be struck by arrows, until halfway through the fight he becomes less wild, making better use of portals, teleporting and teleporting away from any arrow fired at him. If the wild Beast Ganon can focus and dodge arrows, Dorf can dodge arrows.

False, and covered that in the other thread.

I call Spite thread on this. Quanchi, if you are going to make a thread make it with people that can be considered level players and not just say 'He uses the Killing Curse. Done'. You're a Voldemort Fanboy and no matter what anyone says about someone you say Voldemort wins. You said the same with Voldemort against Doc Manhattan too.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Do they defeat him and his power in combat or do they simply open a portal behind him? Think the sages like the guy who administers the lethal injection. Poses no threat without a needle in hand the the guy strapped down. And Dorf knew it, they were shaking and shuddering at the very sight of him.

Wasnt the point about it its effectiveness? Cause being more damaging than any normal sword with +1 smiting is something.

No aid, skill something.. again man, sword skill. Sword. Not magic or anything else.

O_o that in no way related to anything I said.. Bfring him is defeating him. Dorf was more powerful than they were so to fight him power versus power is stupid. They used whatever means they had and kicked Dorf out of Hyrule. The debaters from the video game versus forum are in the stone ages compared to comic versus debaters. You say they posed no real threat with a straight face after we see them battle field remove him against his will. All you are proving is how stupid Dorf can be in combat. He lost because he was too stupid to realize that they did have the means to defeat him.

The sword causes no more damage than a regular sword it just cuts off Dorf's ability to resist the fatal wound. It shows how shitty of a warrior he is. Link didn't trick him he beat his ass. Link became a warrior a few weeks prior to in all likelihood.

It's a plot device. Hell, in Hpotter Dorf could never find all of Voldemort's horcruxes or destroy him anyways. HPotter magic doesn't exist in Hyrule. Hyrule lacks the leadership, power, organization, and man power of the Potterverse. The races also seem far greater. Hyrule usually has one dragon at a time whereas dragons are chained up by the wizards due to their outright dominance over all else.



Tom threw the avada kedavra at Harry more than once. The guy does go for the kill and quite often. We also see him kill his own men with an avada kedavra. We also see him kill in Harry's mind with Avada Kedavara's left and right. I have rarely seen a villain hold back less than Voldemort. Tom also tries to kill Dumbledore multiple times during their duel. Unlucky for Dorf the same circumstances which kept harry alive won't be available for Dorf here.
Dorf wouldn't use this manner of attack in his own body in the first place. LOL. Moot point.

We need to see Dorf do so in his own body. I keep hearing about all this magical resistance so doesn't it make sense he wouldn't even feel the need to defend himself when he's in a much more powerful/durable body.

The only time I saw the avada kedavra met was due to special circumstances not available to Dorf here. One time in GOF.
We've never seen Dorf do so here so you are just speculating again. It's going to hit him and hurt him.

Potter magic can do so but we never see a sword do so. The Gryffindor sword shows it's very powerful yet I don't see anyone reflect magic in the same manner. Speculation.

I have seen it in combat. I am not saying it is a weak blade but that overall it doesn't give him any advantage in combat than a great blade normally does. The only advantage is it lets Link cut off Dorf's access to the power triforce when it strikes him fatal.
So ? Enemies can still parry his attacks. Link needs his skill to defeat his foe with the proper tool for Dorf to separate his access to his amp. That's it.


I didn't mean to imply it was a weak blade but not one that changes the overall playing field until you get to Dorf. Even then it doesn't but it gives you the opportunity to kill him.
You people are light years behind. Caveman level. It's like someone saying Odin from marvel comics is really omnipotent despite us knowing it's hyperbole.
It's hyperbole. There are varying degrees of power and the word evil doesn't mean Link can kill a guy capable of destroying a galaxy. Hyperbole.

This isn't relevant to the movies version. This is only relevant to the book version. You keep arguing because you are a fanboy. You know the movie differed and was just based off the books.

Link showed he was superior skill wise to Dorf with a sword. It shows us little experience is required to take down Dorf. Doesn't this happen every time he shows up ? A link comes out of nowhere and destroys him.
They were wrecking the scenery around them easily. So what if the bell didn't get destroyed. Letting an old man overpower you in a wrestling match with boots on <<<<< a Giant not destroying a super huge bell. They outnumber them with monsters and their were hundreds of wizards. For anyone to argue Zelda wins needs to have their head examined.
No, they don't. The wizards can always protect themselves with their magic anyways. To say their reactions are human despite seeing them fly around and make split second decisions in combat is living in a fantasy world. A special weapon was needed to kill the Basilisk. The Golems were powerful, obviously.
The Potter verse has them in numbers, intelligence, abilities, raw power, versatility, more powerful monsters, and a dark wizard who cannot die unless all his Horcruxes are destroyed.

Imagine how formidable the Hyrule army would be if it was an army of wizards. Hell, a few of them from Hyrule beat Dorf with the triforce of power.

Potterverse is on another level.

They could not, with all their power combined, overcome the triforce of power.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Because theres no spoilers, no 'must play to get this' requirements. And its a solid piece of evidence that states that Child timeline Dorf is the very same Dorf in TP.
Doesn't matter as only this game is allowed in this thread. Drop it.

The boots are required for him to be able to stand up to these characters. I always said Link has superhuman strength. many do in all areas of fiction.

I gave you canon scenes of him being hit by arrows. You ignore them. You also cling to gameplay which forces the player to beat him in a sword fight. So you can't have it both ways. Move on the horse. He can easily move his body or block them with a sword. He doesn't.

I never said he couldn't but a beast ganon is a different body which is more athletic. It's like comparing agility of a beast to a man. The animal body obviously has the advantage.

Then man up and accept the challenge.

The one you declined?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I call Spite thread on this. Quanchi, if you are going to make a thread make it with people that can be considered level players and not just say 'He uses the Killing Curse. Done'. You're a Voldemort Fanboy and no matter what anyone says about someone you say Voldemort wins. You said the same with Voldemort against Doc Manhattan too. If you notice I have only argued based off of what he's done in the movies. I don't make crap up. If you don't like it quit showing up in my threads. I don't come here to play nice. I come here to destroy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They could not, with all their power combined, overcome the triforce of power. They beat him. Dorf was more powerful yet still lose. Youpeople still stuck in the stone ages think raw power wins the day. That day the more powerful guy went on a one way trip out of Hyrule courtesy of a few sages.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The one you declined? I offered a challenge. You then started spewing nonsense about a character I am unfamiliar with. You came into my open challenge and have backed down at every turn. You are scared. It's cool.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I offered a challenge. You then started spewing nonsense about a character I am unfamiliar with. You came into my open challenge and have backed down at every turn. You are scared. It's cool. That's funny. I'm actively trying to get you to own up to your own challenge, and you won't. It's that simple. I'm actually trying to draw you into more debate, and you'll have none of it. You're the one backing down, and everyone can see it.

So yeah, the one you declined.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's funny. I'm actively trying to get you to own up to your own challenge, and you won't. It's that simple. I'm actually trying to draw you into more debate, and you'll have none of it. You're the one backing down, and everyone can see it.

So yeah, the one you declined. When someone makes a challenge thread you either accept or you don't. I have never seen anyone come in and say oh yeah I accept if you take me on in another one. I am interested in this matchup. You never were. You created an out for yourself which didn't fool me.

I'd destroy you in the thread and you know it. That's why you created the out. You are gutless.

Then how come I'm the one still pushing for the thread to happen? Spin more.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then how come I'm the one still pushing for the thread to happen? Spin more. You are so upset over backing down you are spamming up all these threads about it. Don't worry I will either find someone with courage or I own the Zelda bridage. It's that simple.

Lol'd IRL.

This is just great. All talk, no trousers, eh Quan? You know damn well you'll get smashed in both threads, you're refusing my challenge now.

Quan is:
-Backing down
-Refusing to do the battlezone threads
-Trying to pin it everywhere but himself.

You're backing down, it's that simple.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol'd IRL.

This is just great. All talk, no trousers, eh Quan? You know damn well you'll get smashed in both threads, you're refusing my challenge now.

Quan is:
-Backing down
-Refusing to do the battlezone threads
-Trying to pin it everywhere but himself.

You're backing down, it's that simple.

Ganondorf wins. Simply because nothing can hurt him but the most powerful of holy weapons like the Master Sword. Even if Ganondorf does die he is able to reincarnate himself.

Ganondorf is immortal and despite his size is quick enough to dodge a sword and even arrows.

Sorry to say but even your beloved Achilies would fall to this titan.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol'd IRL.

This is just great. All talk, no trousers, eh Quan? You know damn well you'll get smashed in both threads, you're refusing my challenge now.

Quan is:
-Backing down
-Refusing to do the battlezone threads
-Trying to pin it everywhere but himself.

You're backing down, it's that simple. I offered one battlezone. You either accept or don't. Acting like you would accept pand backing out hurts your rep. You know it and I know it. Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Ganondorf wins. Simply because nothing can hurt him but the most powerful of holy weapons like the Master Sword. Even if Ganondorf does die he is able to reincarnate himself.

Ganondorf is immortal and despite his size is quick enough to dodge a sword and even arrows.

Sorry to say but even your beloved Achilies would fall to this titan. What does that matter ? Dorf doesn't live in a world with pottermagic so acting like these attacks wouldn't work is fanboyish.

You say he can resurrect himself. LOL. He didn't do so when Link killed him. Voldemort can't be killed unless the horcruxes are destroyed.

Achilles isn't in this thread. You are embarrassing yourself. The best is when you said this isn't foreign cinema. You are all riled up. LOL.

He lives in a world with magic far more powerful than the magic of the potterverse.

They could not, with all of their power combined, overcome the triforce of power, which has fuelled such insane feats as turning off the sun while the bulk of Ganon's power was still sealed away.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He lives in a world with magic far more powerful than the magic of the potterverse.

They could not, with all of their power combined, overcome the triforce of power, which has fuelled such insane feats as turning off the sun while the bulk of Ganon's power was still sealed away. Not in this game. LOL. In this game a sword killed him. One kill spell kills him. Someone like bellatrix could kill him.

I remember in oot when the game made it clear one dragon could dominate the land. Dragons are pets in HP. LOL at you.

A sword more powerful than the entirety of the potterverse combined, the Master Sword is as powerful as the completed triforce. It's also never confirmed that he's dead.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A sword more powerful than the entirety of the potterverse combined, the Master Sword is as powerful as the completed triforce. It's also never confirmed that he's dead. Not at all. Sword of Gryffindor would destroy the weak blade.

People can parry the thing in the game. LOL. That's one weak triforce.

Lol, that's a cute supposition, considering that it's survived centuries of use by and against characters well into the 100+ ton strength range without so much as a nick, and the sword of gryffindor's never done anything remotely impressive.

The Master Sword is a incredibly powerful Holy Weapon. This is why Link could defeat Ganondorf. Ganondorf survived a sword through his chest before.

It is STATED that only Holy Weapons and his own Magics can harm him and ONLY with a Final blow from the Master Sword itself could he be defeated.

It is also STATED that Ganondorf is IMMORTAL. There are no Magic trinkets that keep him alive. Nothing for Voldemort to destroy in order to kill him. Ganondorf was even a Powerful Sorcerer BEFORE the Triforce of Power was put upon him.

Voldemort isnt Immortal. He extended his life by the use of Horcrux(probbaly spelled it wrong.). A couple of KIDS beat him, magic or no.

And the Sword of Griffindor? A weapon crafted by Wizards.

The Master Sword? Created by the GODS!

Comparing the Sword of Griffindor to the Master Sword is like Comparing Wood(SoG) to Steel(MS)! One is just stronger then the other. And if you deny this then LOL to you.

I do not say all this because I like Ganondorf. Infact As a Zelda fan it is in my head to destroy him. So I give you facts.

Ganondorf is Immortal Through and Through
Voldemort is not.

Only the most powerful of Holy Weapons can harm or defeat Ganondorf.
Voldemort is neither Holy or in possesion of a Holy Weapon.

Even if Ganondorf IS killed he is able to Reincarnate himself. (FACT! Look it up.)
Voldemort split his soul in order to maintain his life. Which means he has a limited number of times he can come back.

Link beat Ganondorf because Link HAS a Powerful Holy Object. Master Sword.
The Sword of Griffindor isnt HOLY at all.

You can keep preaching that Your Fanboy loved Voldemort would win but the FACTS are against you here.

Voldemort has no way to harm Ganondorf. Even if he could there is no way Voldemort could kill him.

Again, these are Facts. Do some Reasearch.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, that's a cute supposition, considering that it's survived centuries of use by and against characters well into the 100+ ton strength range without so much as a nick, and the sword of gryffindor's never done anything remotely impressive. Destroyed a Horcrux meanwhile Link's sword can't even give him an advantage against a mid level scrub in his own game. This isn't' the Soulreaver an impressive sword this is just the master sword. Even the name implies a lack of creativity.

...You do understand that meaning behind the word "Master", do you not?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
The Master Sword is a incredibly powerful Holy Weapon. This is why Link could defeat Ganondorf. Ganondorf survived a sword through his chest before.
Yes. Barely. The sword just cut off his source. While he is busy trying to surge back he is left vulnerable to an attack since he is just sitting there like a dope begging for more life.

Meaningless words which have no bearing on outside the game fictional powers. These statements only apply to Zelda. If he came into the Potterverse he'd be dead in an instant. Much more powerful world.
No magical trinkets keep him alive ? The triforce of power. This is a fact. I mean please do some research. Voldemort formed his own horcruxes. He didn't just get his ass beat and luckily have the triforce of power save him from death. Thanks for downplaying Dorf. No, he wasn't. The guy was captured and executed. He did nothing impressive in the game prior to the amp we call the triforce of power.
Voldemort was immortal until the Horcruxes were destroyed. Dorf was immortal until that mute kid with three weeks of experience killed him. You leave out a buttload of context. First Albus Dumbledore's involvement, years of planning, Snape's involvement, Harry's connection to Voldemort, and the aid from various individuals in destroying the Horcruxes. One scrawny 3 week experienced I get nervous around girls dork killed Dorf.
Again, only a title. Those are pretty weak gods since mid level scrubs can parry the weapon. LOL.
I agree if you switch around the master sword being wood to steel. Not even a contest. Play through the game it's Link's 3 weeks of awesome skill which kill his enemies.

You love the game and by association Dorf.

No, he isn't. Voldemort can simply kill Dorf himself though Dorf can never kill Voldemort due to the Horcruxes. LOL.
False. The master sword gives him no advantage through sheer power during the game. Voldemort doesn't need to be holy. By your logic the Beyonder can't kill Dorf if he chooses to be evil and is not holy. No limits fallacies aren't allowed.

Nope. He didn't do so in the game when 3 week experience Link 86'd him.

The objects need to be destroyed so he cannot come back. Dorf can't do so while Tom can kill him with one Avada Kedavra.
Hyperbole and no limits fallacy. Not allowed.

SOG is more powerful so Dorf dies. Dorf dies a lot. LOL.

You don't even know the facts.

Prove Dorf can resist the killing curse. You cannot. LOL. It kills you. Fact.

Please learn something before you post again.

What's he die of, laughter?
Canon words.

This is not a trinket. This is an artifact of godly power which he manipulated and fought his way into attaining, which transcends time.


Because holding an entire country, probably an entire planet, in permanent time stop, while in a weakened state, is the sign of a weak artifact?


Strawman fallacy.

Gameplay mechanics.

They only created the universe. shrug

The killing curse is not powerful enough to overcome the Triforce of Power, hence it cannot kill Dorf.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5150-rbd-fys.png

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bfring him is defeating him. Dorf was more powerful than they were so to fight him power versus power is stupid. They used whatever means they had and kicked Dorf out of Hyrule. The debaters from the video game versus forum are in the stone ages compared to comic versus debaters. You say they posed no real threat with a straight face after we see them battle field remove him against his will. All you are proving is how stupid Dorf can be in combat. He lost because he was too stupid to realize that they did have the means to defeat him.
The sword causes no more damage than a regular sword it just cuts off Dorf's ability to resist the fatal wound. It shows how shitty of a warrior he is. Link didn't trick him he beat his ass. Link became a warrior a few weeks prior to in all likelihood.
It's a plot device. Hell, in Hpotter Dorf could never find all of Voldemort's horcruxes or destroy him anyways. HPotter magic doesn't exist in Hyrule. Hyrule lacks the leadership, power, organization, and man power of the Potterverse. The races also seem far greater. Hyrule usually has one dragon at a time whereas dragons are chained up by the wizards due to their outright dominance over all else.
Admitting they didnt beat him and his power in combat, good, thats all I ask as thats the only relevant thing here. Just as with Tom losing to Harry, Dorf's 'defeat' was circumstantial. And you seem to be missing the point again, as its not what we know, its what Dorf knew. Dorf knows that the sages are not combat beings, he knows he can one-shot them, he can see them shaking in fear and all the while pulling a sword from his chest and coming to terms with him suddenly getting the ToP.. what he didnt know was that the sages had this trick up their sleeves. So no, to Dorf and anyone else in his shoes the sages were just the weak executioners.

It does, its been proven below. Hypothetical: Link vs Tom in a swordfight, who would win? Obviously Link would, making Tom by your standards a 'shitty warrior'. Now, what priority does this have in this thread? Mage skills =/= warrior skills =/= archer skills =/= healer skills.

Again, talking about whats needed to truly kill Tom or what the wizards do has nothing to do with anything I mentioned in this part of the post. But I will say that Horcruxes can't protect him from losing as if for instance Dorf stabbed him,he would be floating around as a spirit waiting for someone to resurrect him again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tom threw the avada kedavra at Harry more than once. The guy does go for the kill and quite often. We also see him kill his own men with an avada kedavra. We also see him kill in Harry's mind with Avada Kedavara's left and right. I have rarely seen a villain hold back less than Voldemort. Tom also tries to kill Dumbledore multiple times during their duel. Unlucky for Dorf the same circumstances which kept harry alive won't be available for Dorf here.
When he wasnt talking to him, yes.
Charity Burbage: lets her talk before killing her, a pause.
Gregorovitch; lets him beg, pauses before killing him.
GoF: Tom is resurrected, 'wakes up', talks to henchmen, calls henchmen, talks to henchmen, plays with corpes.. then finally approaches Harry when he has so much time to kill him, and he was bound. Then he talks to Harry, fingers him, releases hims and challenges him to a fight, then he plays with him by making him bow, plays with him by pushing him down, plays with him by using the pain curse, talks to Harry, deflects his attack and talks more while Harry's defenceless on the ground, picks him up and turns his back on Harry giving him to time to flee.. /then/ he attempts to kill Harry only 6 mins later.
OotP: Tom stands right behind Harry and speaks to him, disarms him and stands there.. then Albus shows up.
The the scene where he's standing over Harry or sees' him in the woods and just stares at him for a while.

Now don't get me wrong, there are times where Tom flat out AKs people without a thought, but same goes for Dorf. Both characters have gone straight on the offensive, both characters have paused before doing anything. Meaning theres no reason to assume that Tom would fair any differently when he too isnt on auto-kill 24/7.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dorf wouldn't use this manner of attack in his own body in the first place. LOL. Moot point.
We need to see Dorf do so in his own body. I keep hearing about all this magical resistance so doesn't it make sense he wouldn't even feel the need to defend himself when he's in a much more powerful/durable body.
The only time I saw the avada kedavra met was due to special circumstances not available to Dorf here. One time in GOF.
We've never seen Dorf do so here so you are just speculating again. It's going to hit him and hurt him.
No, we don't. We see Dorfs actions/thoughts/mind-set/character choose to reflect it. We know Dorf is physically capable of doing so. Physically able and in-character are two things you asked for and now that they're here youre asking for more specifics, even after admitting he can do so.

It can happen once or a million times, even if there are circumstances, the fact is it can be done.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Potter magic can do so but we never see a sword do so. The Gryffindor sword shows it's very powerful yet I don't see anyone reflect magic in the same manner. Speculation.
I have seen it in combat. I am not saying it is a weak blade but that overall it doesn't give him any advantage in combat than a great blade normally does. The only advantage is it lets Link cut off Dorf's access to the power triforce when it strikes him fatal.
So ? Enemies can still parry his attacks. Link needs his skill to defeat his foe with the proper tool for Dorf to separate his access to his amp. That's it.
I didn't mean to imply it was a weak blade but not one that changes the overall playing field until you get to Dorf. Even then it doesn't but it gives you the opportunity to kill him.
Thats the thing.. not only is Dorf able to reflect magic attacks, HP spells have also been reflected in-verse, and they don't need a sword to do so because Dorf's sword can. Godric's Sword had an unknown charm to it and was able to destroy Horcruxes from the Basilisk vemon.. no repelling or other magical properties.

You asked for extra abilities Link gains from it in combat, I gave you some.

Yeah, it does. Besides dealing more damage with each blessing, and dealing more damage when the blade is charged with lifeforce?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You people are light years behind. Caveman level. It's like someone saying Odin from marvel comics is really omnipotent despite us knowing it's hyperbole.
It's hyperbole. There are varying degrees of power and the word evil doesn't mean Link can kill a guy capable of destroying a galaxy. Hyperbole.
Do you even know what hyperbole is? You do? Good. Now what happens when you take a statement and evidence to support the statement? It becomes fact.

"You cannot defeat me with a blade that does not sparkle with the power to repel evil! What you hold is useless" ~That statement was said by Ganondorf himself. And when "Link, I have fully restored the power to repel evil to your Master Sword" happens Ganondorf starts taking damage from it. Thats Ganondorf and a Sage confirming this power, with it then harming Dorf further proof to this.

"The Master Sword is a sacred blade that evil can never touch. Evil cloaks you like a dark veil... and that blade is the only thing that can cleave it." ~Statement said by Midna, and once Link gets the MS this statement is proven to be true. Not only that but Midna is repelled just by being near the glowing MS.

So no, its not hyperbole as its been proven. And please, get off that "you say its more effective on evil means youre saying it can destroy universal level evil with a single touch" train of thought. I'm saying, just like the game states and proves, that the MS repels and is more effective on evil beings/magic. Not making any and every evil thing explode, just the blade being more effective then it normally is when attacking them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't relevant to the movies version. This is only relevant to the book version. You keep arguing because you are a fanboy. You know the movie differed and was just based off the books.
Link showed he was superior skill wise to Dorf with a sword. It shows us little experience is required to take down Dorf. Doesn't this happen every time he shows up ? A link comes out of nowhere and destroys him.
Canon >
You disagreeing with canon lore is your own issue.

Yeah thats great buddy, still absolutely nothing to do with the a fight outside a swordfight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't matter as only this game is allowed in this thread. Drop it.
Y'know I dont think I will. I think I'd rather go by your own OP, "versus just this specific version of Ganondorf" by using the specific Ganondorf from TP which is the same guy in the Child timeline. You even wrote it out yourself.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots are required for him to be able to stand up to these characters. I always said Link has superhuman strength. many do in all areas of fiction.
Thats nice and all, but I wasnt asking about how he 'stands up' to them now was I? I mean, you saw what Ive asked for right? You're still talking about horizontal strength, Im talking about vertical strength. Please reply to what Im talking about.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave you canon scenes of him being hit by arrows. You ignore them. You also cling to gameplay which forces the player to beat him in a sword fight. So you can't have it both ways. Move on the horse. He can easily move his body or block them with a sword. He doesn't.
I never said he couldn't but a beast ganon is a different body which is more athletic. It's like comparing agility of a beast to a man. The animal body obviously has the advantage. Then man up and accept the challenge.
Now youre failing to understand the word ignore.. shame. How is an arrow shot at his back the same as one shot from the front? How can Dorf make his horse dodge an arrow? Unless you think he's going to react to an arrow that he cant see, and instantly make a non-arrow speed/reaction animal dodge the shot or somehow be able to turn around on the horse to slash the arrow and spin back..? Key word being 'behind him'.
Me? Who was it that was convinced that Link gets hurt by weak monsters because 'it happens in gameplay'?

So Dorf can dodge arrows? Also Beast Ganon shows no speed advantage and shows no change in reactions besides being wilder, two things that keep his reactions the same or lower them as a beast.Originally posted by quanchi112
They were wrecking the scenery around them easily. So what if the bell didn't get destroyed. Letting an old man overpower you in a wrestling match with boots on <<<<< a Giant not destroying a super huge bell. They outnumber them with monsters and their were hundreds of wizards. For anyone to argue Zelda wins needs to have their head examined.
No, they don't. The wizards can always protect themselves with their magic anyways. To say their reactions are human despite seeing them fly around and make split second decisions in combat is living in a fantasy world. A special weapon was needed to kill the Basilisk. The Golems were powerful, obviously.
Yeah and did you see the damage? The best thing I saw was knocking over a few tons of rock.. doesn't compete with Gorons strength feats. Friendly wrestling <<< killing-level attacks, you should know that. Plus glass cannons.

Spit second decisions? When a humans reaction time is 0.2 seconds.. aka a split second decision? Cept that they arent constantly defending from everything, as the movie proves, especially in the mass battle scenes.
Really? I thought it was the sword shoved through its skull.. The sword only had an unknown charm before stabbing it, nothing to say how strong it is or compare to.

And I love this: Golems being able to bring down Giants means they are 'obviously powerful'.. but when Bo can wrestle with Gorons it means Gorons are obviously weak. Nice.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Potter verse has them in numbers, intelligence, abilities, raw power, versatility, more powerful monsters, and a dark wizard who cannot die unless all his Horcruxes are destroyed. Imagine how formidable the Hyrule army would be if it was an army of wizards. Hell, a few of them from Hyrule beat Dorf with the triforce of power.
Potterverse is on another level.
No its just the numbers, plus glass cannons. The wizards have human bodies, the majority of the monsters are as tough as their animal counterparts = glass canons.

Ganondorf laughs at Voldermort's magic and then punches his face in. /thread

Ganondorf is the Ultimate embodiment of Evil and Hate. He IS Evil and Hate. And since your little tickle of a death spell is based on Hate, since you have to mean it and WANT the person dead, not to mention the Killing curse is Dark Magic, I still stand by that this 'Curse' wont kill him since only Holy weapons/Spells can.

And if you still spew out that I have no proof that it wont kill him, you have no proof that it would. My facts are true and reasonable. Your facts are just... Just.

You can continue to cry about Voldemort losing this Vs Match and continue to ***** that Voldemort wins but truth is he wont.

Everyone here says Ganondorf wins this. You being the hardcore tightass Fanboy, you cant get past that.

If you put Ganondorf up against someone I can seriously see him losing to I willbe the first to admit it, but its NOT Voldemort.

So go ahead and Cry Hard about that fact. Nurse on your thumb a bit. Get some vague reasonings in your head. And then post it here just so we can all Laugh and point.

And when you say a FACT of Ganondorf isnt 'Allowed' in your little thread then you are gimping Ganondorf in order to win something you know Voldemort would lose to.

Just FYI I wasnt even this adamant about the McClane threads cause honestly I got both sides. I could see how McClane would lose or have a hard time. Which is why I didnt post much, but THIS THREAD is one where it is obvious that Ganondorf wins and you are just Voldemorts ***** trying to make him look good.

Go back to the drawing board on this one cause there is no way Voldemort wins. I have given Facts of his feats. You have given facts of Voldemorts. I have seen the movies and read the books. I have played the game and more. I even looked up stuff on Ganondorf because for a split second I thought I might of been wrong. Guess what? I wasnt.

Ganondorf IS Immortal.
Ganondorf can only be harmed by Holy magic/weapons or his own magic cast back at him.
IF Ganondorf is killed he can be revived or he can Resurect.

Voldemort has the Horcrux but only 7. He is Immortal as long as he has them, like you said. But when he dies he uses one up in order to come back! They are peices of his Soul and when he uses one to return he is using that peice of his soul. When he comes back with it, that one is gone. Ganondorf doesnt have that.

So go cry to your Voldemort blow up doll and ask yourself why you cant win this. Cause you cant.

As far as 'HP World is stronger' Show me proof. Show me a document between the creater of HP and Zelda that says HP world is stronger magic. Because if you cant it is all in your little mind that HP world is stronger, not to say that Zelda is stronger mind you.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ganondorf laughs at Voldermort's magic and then punches his face in. /thread

Ganondorf ftw

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What's he die of, laughter?
Canon words.

This is not a trinket. This is an artifact of godly power which he manipulated and fought his way into attaining, which transcends time.


Because holding an entire country, probably an entire planet, in permanent time stop, while in a weakened state, is the sign of a weak artifact?


Strawman fallacy.

Gameplay mechanics.

They only created the universe. shrug

The killing curse is not powerful enough to overcome the Triforce of Power, hence it cannot kill Dorf.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5150-rbd-fys.png The guy who won 1 of 4 confrontations is going to laugh ? That's pretty stupid on his part but it's Dorf so whatevs.

Hyperbole just like when Odin is stated as omnipotent in the comics.

Trinket/artifact, etc. it's something else keeping him alive possessing magical power. The difference is Voldemort created his own means while Dorf just lucked his way into his. Dorf loses every time. I agree.

Weaker world. Obviously.

So you choose to argue for it only now and again. Then my point is proven.

That's how it's portrayed. I have seen Kain one shot kill his enemies when his reaver is upgraded. Not so with Link so you can't argue gameplay mechanics. His skill is rammed down our throat not his badass sword. he needs the skill to pull it off.

Weak universe. Obviously.

Based off what ? A sword did so. No attack killed him immediately and saying it won't overcome it when it's a different attack entirely is fanboyism at it's finest.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Admitting they didnt beat him and his power in combat, good, thats all I ask as thats the only relevant thing here. Just as with Tom losing to Harry, Dorf's 'defeat' was circumstantial. And you seem to be missing the point again, as its not what we know, its what Dorf knew. Dorf knows that the sages are not combat beings, he knows he can one-shot them, he can see them shaking in fear and all the while pulling a sword from his chest and coming to terms with him suddenly getting the ToP.. what he didnt know was that the sages had this trick up their sleeves. So no, to Dorf and anyone else in his shoes the sages were just the weak executioners.

It does, its been proven below. Hypothetical: Link vs Tom in a swordfight, who would win? Obviously Link would, making Tom by your standards a 'shitty warrior'. Now, what priority does this have in this thread? Mage skills =/= warrior skills =/= archer skills =/= healer skills. I said they beat him. He was defeated despite being far more powerful. Being more powerful doesn't mean you are more formidable. this is just another example.

Completely different. Voldemort didn't lose in a contest of skill to Potter whereas Link bested him due to his skill. Dorf's sword wasn't tampered with nor did Link have a piece of Dorf's soul in him thus keeping him alive.

So you admit Dorf underestimates his foes. Good enough for me. He still lost.

Dorf uses a sword whereas Tom doesn't. I am not asking who is better with a wand Voldemort or Link I am saying with both combatants going at each other Link proved to be more skilled than Dorf despite the overwhelming experience edge in Dorf's favor. Si the conclusion I come to is this. If someone with a few weeks training can best Dorf in something he is familiar with then what will happen when the more experienced most badass wizard in a world of fictional wizards squares off against him. The competition is much greater there than in Hyrule so it's an easy conclusion to reach.

I agree I was just comparing their fictional cocks so to speak. In a pissing contest Tom still wins but for the purpsoes of these threads both can be killed.
She was completely at his mercy. Tom also imo wanted to test Snape's loyalties and see how he reacted to this.

Tom was just rezzed and once he got to Harry and the duel began. He threw the avada kedavra immediately. No one in the films throws the curse more or even half as much as Voldemort. He also had limited screen time.

I am not arguing soon as the bell rings he throws the killing curse but it is a possibility given how often/quickly he's done so.
I don't think Dorf would hold back either but I don't see him possessing anything in his arsenal as dangerous as the killing curse.

We don't know if he can reflect the killing curse. You assume he can but there's nothing to suggest he can. The only attack he repels is his one specific bolt which Link also can reflect. I also said it isn't in character in his own body to even try doing so since we don't have one single example of him doing so.

They have been reflected due to Harry Potter magic. Dorf doesn't have access to Harry Potter magic so the only conclusion you can reach is speculative at best. Yes, it can destroy horcruxes because it's powerful enough but not reflect the killing curse.

The one extra ability leaves him wide open to a death blow.

This tactic leaves him vulnerable. Not very wise against someone who specializes in mid range combat.
No, this is still hyperbole. You are not understanding me. His statement only applies to Zeldaverse it doesn't apply to Potterverse. So in his own game nothing can defeat the top save the master sword, right ?

Something is either powerful enough or not. This is but that doesn't prove a thing when we start talking about other fictional universes.

The blade might deal out more damage but the wielder still needs to be experienced enough to do so.

The books aren't canon to the movies. The movies are canon to the books. They contradict each other and are not the same.

It has to do with the skill level of Dorf and his overall competency.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Y'know I dont think I will. I think I'd rather go by your own OP, "versus just this specific version of Ganondorf" by using the specific Ganondorf from TP which is the same guy in the Child timeline. You even wrote it out yourself.

Thats nice and all, but I wasnt asking about how he 'stands up' to them now was I? I mean, you saw what Ive asked for right? You're still talking about horizontal strength, Im talking about vertical strength. Please reply to what Im talking about.

Now youre failing to understand the word ignore.. shame. How is an arrow shot at his back the same as one shot from the front? How can Dorf make his horse dodge an arrow? Unless you think he's going to react to an arrow that he cant see, and instantly make a non-arrow speed/reaction animal dodge the shot or somehow be able to turn around on the horse to slash the arrow and spin back..? Key word being 'behind him'.
Me? Who was it that was convinced that Link gets hurt by weak monsters because 'it happens in gameplay'? I am only using this Dorf. We see this Dorf from the moment he gains favor from the top and then we see his return back to Hyrule. We then see him die. LOL.

I am replying to the complete picture here. He requires them as did Bo. Neither were superhuman studs separating themselves from the pack.

Being on a horse gives him an advantage. You can't have it both ways. If you really want to cling to the part of the game where arrows are not allowed to be used due to the game forcing you to swordfight him then you're dishonest. You know you are. Either way arrows hit him; canon.

Link isn't immune to weaker monsters. That's the point. Not that it has to happen but if it does then he obviously feels pain and can die.

So a four legged beast shows no advantage over a two legged dorf ? See what I mean. It's just blatant dishonesty at this point. If you can't see the difference in real life or the manner in which beast dorf moves as being far more athletic and faster then I can't help you. If you are going to lie to me and yourself there is nothing I can do.
They knocked it over like it was nothing. We see someone with far less size and power best them with boots on. That's an actual peer comparison and they fail. Giants are on another level. Link couldn't outwrestle or overpower the Giants with his boots on.

If you can't touch the glass you can't break it. They also have one shot kill methods which have nothing to do with overall durability.

The Golems are stabbing and using weapons not locking hands and seeing who is stronger. It's like me overpowering a 7 year old. Sure, I can do that all day but if he gets a knife it's going to cut into my flesh easily. You sound as if you can't comprehend the difference here.


What monsters are weak ? They all seem far more powerful than Zelda monsters. In oot one dragon could dominate the entire world. In Pottersville they are pets.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ganondorf laughs at Voldermort's magic and then punches his face in. /thread Wrong Dorf. Horrible logic. Incorrect. Voldemort can win with one killing curse.Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Ganondorf is the Ultimate embodiment of Evil and Hate. He IS Evil and Hate. And since your little tickle of a death spell is based on Hate, since you have to mean it and WANT the person dead, not to mention the Killing curse is Dark Magic, I still stand by that this 'Curse' wont kill him since only Holy weapons/Spells can.

And if you still spew out that I have no proof that it wont kill him, you have no proof that it would. My facts are true and reasonable. Your facts are just... Just.

You can continue to cry about Voldemort losing this Vs Match and continue to ***** that Voldemort wins but truth is he wont.

Everyone here says Ganondorf wins this. You being the hardcore tightass Fanboy, you cant get past that.

If you put Ganondorf up against someone I can seriously see him losing to I willbe the first to admit it, but its NOT Voldemort.

So go ahead and Cry Hard about that fact. Nurse on your thumb a bit. Get some vague reasonings in your head. And then post it here just so we can all Laugh and point.

And when you say a FACT of Ganondorf isnt 'Allowed' in your little thread then you are gimping Ganondorf in order to win something you know Voldemort would lose to.

Just FYI I wasnt even this adamant about the McClane threads cause honestly I got both sides. I could see how McClane would lose or have a hard time. Which is why I didnt post much, but THIS THREAD is one where it is obvious that Ganondorf wins and you are just Voldemorts ***** trying to make him look good.

Go back to the drawing board on this one cause there is no way Voldemort wins. I have given Facts of his feats. You have given facts of Voldemorts. I have seen the movies and read the books. I have played the game and more. I even looked up stuff on Ganondorf because for a split second I thought I might of been wrong. Guess what? I wasnt.

Ganondorf IS Immortal.
Ganondorf can only be harmed by Holy magic/weapons or his own magic cast back at him.
IF Ganondorf is killed he can be revived or he can Resurect.

Voldemort has the Horcrux but only 7. He is Immortal as long as he has them, like you said. But when he dies he uses one up in order to come back! They are peices of his Soul and when he uses one to return he is using that peice of his soul. When he comes back with it, that one is gone. Ganondorf doesnt have that.

So go cry to your Voldemort blow up doll and ask yourself why you cant win this. Cause you cant.

As far as 'HP World is stronger' Show me proof. Show me a document between the creater of HP and Zelda that says HP world is stronger magic. Because if you cant it is all in your little mind that HP world is stronger, not to say that Zelda is stronger mind you. That's applying a no limits fallacy. Something is generally usually either specifically designed for weakness exploitation or powerful enough to do so. You have zero evidence to stand on.

The killing curse does what it does in the films unless you can disprove it. You can't just say it doesn't do what it's done on film.

I am not crying I am debating. You aren't thinking and are angry about something.

It's a small number of people. I have seen people in other forums argue for Voldemort other than myself. If I was the only person on the planet then maybe you'd have a point.

Most of your post is you being emotional.

I am not gimping anyone. Most on here already say he wins so you are arguing you want him to win harder iyo. LOL. I am not allowing book version just movie. He didn't have a lot of time on the screen either.

You just said I gimped a character and now admitted he wins hard. You are making a fool of yourself. It's almost as bad as when you said these aren't foreign films and just wanted to take a shot at me, toots.

Dorf died. In the game he died. Saying he can't be killed by anyone is a no limits fallacy and a ridiculous one since we see him die. So how your stance is only good weapons or characters can hurt him. Your logic is so biased it's a joke.

If a evil being can create a universe they can't harm him because he's the ultimate embodiment of evil, etc. LOL.

Watch the films.

Killing curse has already been disproved. ToP > Voldemort.

New argument or a decent feat for Voldemort plz.

Quan, all vs forum means we can use book descriptions, and they take precedence over movies.

So if the Curse is described as working one way in the book, that is how it works. They are higher canon then the movies.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, all vs forum means we can use book descriptions, and they take precedence over movies.

So if the Curse is described as working one way in the book, that is how it works. They are higher canon then the movies. Not when the threadstarter specifically mentions movies only version. You can't just come in here and change the op, troll.

The thread has been answered. Your the only one who says Voldemort wins. Everyone else says Ganondorf. You keep spouting that we are just Fanboys standing up for our Favorite but at the same time you sare doing the same.

Also.. Where does it say Link only had experience of Three Weeks? He had the Triforce of Courage with him which gave him power in its own right. Not pure power like Ganondorf but still, power. Not to mention it is the game point that Link beats Ganondorf just like its the Movie/Book point that Harry wins and Voldemort loses.

So you can sit here and keep saying Voldemort wins but you are the only one. I have made my point with facts and reasonings that Ganondorf wins and everyone here agrees but you.

With that, Enjoy talking to yourself because you lost this and I am done wasting my time trying to convince a Voldemort Fanboy that his pal loses.

Even beyond all this...

Couldn't Ganondorf just:

1) possess Voldemort and make him kill his own physical body

2) send Voldemort to the gap between dimensions

3) teleport behind him and smash him to bits

4) send him to the dark realm

5) summon wraiths to attack

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
The thread has been answered. Your the only one who says Voldemort wins. Everyone else says Ganondorf. You keep spouting that we are just Fanboys standing up for our Favorite but at the same time you sare doing the same.

Also.. Where does it say Link only had experience of Three Weeks? He had the Triforce of Courage with him which gave him power in its own right. Not pure power like Ganondorf but still, power. Not to mention it is the game point that Link beats Ganondorf just like its the Movie/Book point that Harry wins and Voldemort loses.

So you can sit here and keep saying Voldemort wins but you are the only one. I have made my point with facts and reasonings that Ganondorf wins and everyone here agrees but you.

With that, Enjoy talking to yourself because you lost this and I am done wasting my time trying to convince a Voldemort Fanboy that his pal loses. In this forum not on the entire internet. This is home to the Zelda fanboys. I am actually openly challenging them all. Not one has just accepted to do so. They lack courage.

I am going by the game and guesstimating. Do you think years went by ? It gave him courage so even feelings of bravery were manufactured by a plot device. LOL.

Harry won due to trickery he was never outskilled or just straight up beaten.


Put up or shut up. It's easy. Accept my battlezone challenge.

You can run like all the other scurred victims. That just means you concede. Or you can accept and actually try to prove something.

Originally posted by Cyner
Even beyond all this...

Couldn't Ganondorf just:

1) possess Voldemort and make him kill his own physical body

2) send Voldemort to the gap between dimensions

3) teleport behind him and smash him to bits

4) send him to the dark realm

5) summon wraiths to attack 1) Voldemort has also possessed someone. The difference is Voldemort's victim was conscious while Zelda was unconscious.

2.So you are arguing he can send him away because he can't beat him. LOL.

3. Voldemort can also teleport and his reflexes seem far better.

4. Another fight where they don't fight. LOL. This is also just Tp's version.

5. That won't save him from the killing curse.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Killing curse has already been disproved. ToP > Voldemort.

New argument or a decent feat for Voldemort plz.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it hasn't. TOP resisted durability attacks not one shot kill methods. Even then it only resisted one attack.

Is he still ranting off random rejections of the truth?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Is he still ranting off random rejections of the truth? Look I will even modify my battlezone if you want. I don't have to do all Harry Potter character versus Zelda characters I can do a Voldemort versus TP Ganondorf if you'd like. If you are up for it and so assured of yourself then why not accept ?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Is he still ranting off random rejections of the truth? He's never done much else.Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it hasn't. TOP resisted durability attacks not one shot kill methods. Even then it only resisted one attack. Lol. Someone hasn't paid any attention at all to the games, has he? If all it did was amp his durability having a hole in his chest might have actually been an inconvenience to him. He might, say, age, or be incinerated by the magic of the light arrows. Ganondorf cannot die unless the ToP is overcome. The ToP is shown to be able to say **** you to time and you think a little incantation from a mook level wizard is going to overcome it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.So you are arguing he can send him away because he can't beat him. LOL.. Hey Quan, guess what?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bfr is a win. It's called battle field removal. You really don't know much of anything. Quit crying. He didn't want to go but he was sent away. That's an L, fanboy.

LOL.

Originally posted by Pwned
Hey Quan, guess what?



LOL. Already responded to in the other thread, moot point guy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He's never done much else. Lol. Someone hasn't paid any attention at all to the games, has he? If all it did was amp his durability having a hole in his chest might have actually been an inconvenience to him. He might, say, age, or be incinerated by the magic of the light arrows. Ganondorf cannot die unless the ToP is overcome. The ToP is shown to be able to say **** you to time and you think a little incantation from a mook level wizard is going to overcome it? That's not relevant to this particular Dorf. This is Tp's version only. Quit trying to circumvent the rules because you are a fanboy.

Everything I listed occurs in TP. Can't remember the only Zelda game you ever played?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look I will even modify my battlezone if you want. I don't have to do all Harry Potter character versus Zelda characters I can do a Voldemort versus TP Ganondorf if you'd like. If you are up for it and so assured of yourself then why not accept ?
Because everyone already voted that Ganondorf wins in THIS thread. so why bother making another of the same thing?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Everything I listed occurs in TP. Can't remember the only Zelda game you ever played? Not everything they listed which I just responded to. Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Because everyone already voted that Ganondorf wins in THIS thread. so why bother making another of the same thing? This will be a judged debate where our arguments are held accountable. I want to do a every character vs. every character thread but if you will do a Voldemort versus Dorf (Tp) thread I will settle just for you.

You did not respond, you just looked at it, and said 'nuhuh' to the things that happened in the game, Quan. Everything I listed there happens in TP.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You did not respond, you just looked at it, and said 'nuhuh' to the things that happened in the game, Quan. Everything I listed there happens in TP. I responded to every point you ever made. You live in your own world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Already responded to in the other thread, moot point guy.

That's not relevant to this particular Dorf. This is Tp's version only. Quit trying to circumvent the rules because you are a fanboy. ^Your post.

It does not address any of the things I listed in this post. Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He's never done much else. Lol. Someone hasn't paid any attention at all to the games, has he? If all it did was amp his durability having a hole in his chest might have actually been an inconvenience to him. He might, say, age, or be incinerated by the magic of the light arrows. Ganondorf cannot die unless the ToP is overcome. The ToP is shown to be able to say **** you to time and you think a little incantation from a mook level wizard is going to overcome it?

All of them happen in TP.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
^Your post.

It does not address any of the things I listed in this post.

All of them happen in TP. When the wizard can bypass durability yes. Dorf is only mortally wounded twice. Once by the sages to which he survives and the other time by Link to which he dies.

Voldemort kills him. He's only 1-1.

Oh look, you've stumbled across something.

A sword through the chest from the sages does nothing to Ganondorf. But when Link does it, Ganondorf is put down. (Not killed.) Why? Because The Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, can overcome the ToP. Voldemort cannot.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh look, you've stumbled across something.

A sword through the chest from the sages does nothing to Ganondorf. But when Link does it, Ganondorf is put down. (Not killed.) Why? Because The Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, can overcome the ToP. Voldemort cannot. The sword isn't planetary it just is made to get the job done against the artifact the top.

Voldemort doesn't need a specific weapon his own killing curse will instantly kill him. That's what it does.

http://dashie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8655-1353247022941290.gif

Feats and statements say it is.


To unprotected wizards. Drop the no limit fallacy, k?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://dashie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8655-1353247022941290.gif

Feats and statements say it is.


To unprotected wizards. Drop the no limit fallacy, k? I played the game. The sword offers no advantages and isn't really powerful at all.

There are ways to protect oneself just nothing Dorf can do. He dies. Instantly.

Right, it's not like it overcomes a source of power capable of overlapping all of Hyrule with another dimension with a thought? Oh, wait, it does exactly that.

And lol, prove that Quan, I dare you.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Right, it's not like it overcomes a source of power capable of overlapping all of Hyrule with another dimension with a thought? Oh, wait, it does exactly that.

And lol, prove that Quan, I dare you. That has to do with specific weakness exploitation. It isn't more powerful just perfectly suited for one character.

I don't have to. Killing curse kills. Prove it doesn't.

Wrong again, the Master Sword wasn't forged for Ganondorf, and he has no 'weakness' to it. It can put him down because it is on par with the triforce in power and actively smites evil.

Ganondorf cannot die unless the ToP is overcome, prove the curse can.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wrong again, the Master Sword wasn't forged for Ganondorf, and he has no 'weakness' to it. It can put him down because it is on par with the triforce in power and actively smites evil.

Ganondorf cannot die unless the ToP is overcome, prove the curse can. It's made to stop someone with the top ie. Ganondorf. He's nothing without the top just some random fool thief.

The top has been overcome by something less powerful than it before. The killing curse is instant death.

No it was not made to stop someone with the ToP, it's a failsafe against the completed triforce, something much grander.

No, it hasn't.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No it was not made to stop someone with the ToP, it's a failsafe against the completed triforce, something much grander.

No, it hasn't. I already agreed with you that Dorf is nothing without the top. You said so and I agreed.

Voldemort's power is his own. Dorf and Link both need certain items and even then they lose.

The sword is less powerful than the top. Do you disagree ? This will be awesome.