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Both have a duel. Link takes the place of Hector. The scene is this. Link is crying and and begging for Zelda not to make him go. She slaps him and says, get ahold of yourself you little sissy. Man up for once in your life. Link with tears running down his cheeks and fear in his heart comes out. What happens ?

What's it like having that cock in your ass?

Originally posted by NemeBro
What's it like having that cock in your ass? You are an expert in this field so I differ to you. What's it like ?

Defer*

So much spite lol.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Defer*

So much spite lol. On no I misspelled a word. Will I ever live down the shame ?

I am shocked you don't think Link has a chance. You have seen the light, kiddo. Yw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
On no I misspelled a word. Will I ever live down the shame ?

I am shocked you don't think Link has a chance. You have seen the light, kiddo. Yw.

Your version of Link dies horribly.

Real Link from the game is superhuman and Achilles in that movie was killed by a bunch of arrows lol.

Please tell me you're putting a peak/mild superhuman with a bronze xiphos against a class 100+ superhuman with a long/bastard sword, Quan. Do it. It'll make me smile.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Your version of Link dies horribly.

Real Link from the game is superhuman and Achilles in that movie was killed by a bunch of arrows lol. He was distracted and caught off guard. The same fate would befall Link in the same scenario.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Please tell me you're putting a peak/mild superhuman with a bronze xiphos against a class 100+ superhuman with a long/bastard sword, Quan. Do it. It'll make me smile. Link isn't a class 100 tonner. You just made me giggle comparing him to someone of the likes of hercules from marvel comics.

Oh, Herc is obviously physically stronger, but Link is class 100+ to an undeniable degree. You'll note that class 100+ includes everyone who can lift from 101 tons over their head to things like Hulk, and beyond.

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging that yes, you did this: Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Please tell me you're putting a peak/mild superhuman with a bronze xiphos against a class 100+ superhuman with a long/bastard sword, Quan. Do it. It'll make me smile.

Provide a feat for Achilles that even lets him hurt Link, and I'll deign to acknowledge you again, until then, lol.

You can always tell which fanboy tangent Quanchi's going to currently be on by his Avatar and Signature Pic.

Indeed. Edgington, Voldemort, Achilles. Lol.

Why he always spites his own favourites, though, I don't know.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh, Herc is obviously physically stronger, but Link is class 100+ to an undeniable degree. You'll note that class 100+ includes everyone who can lift from 101 tons over their head to things like Hulk, and beyond.

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging that yes, you did this:

Provide a feat for Achilles that even lets him hurt Link, and I'll deign to acknowledge you again, until then, lol. Show me Link showing complete immunity to sharp objects such as swords. That's your claim so prove it.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can always tell which fanboy tangent Quanchi's going to currently be on by his Avatar and Signature Pic. I created an Achilles thread versus Anakin long before this thread.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I created an Achilles thread versus Anakin long before this thread.

Correct, you have a rotating roster of who you fanboy; this isn't new to anyone who has talked with you before.

You're currently swinging off Achilles' nuts as seen in your nut-swinging in two separate MVF matches and now this one in here.

Swing away, Merrill. Swing away.

Didn't watch Troy but can guess he's just a peak human?

Given that Link wears chainmail.......

And Achilles tends to slash......



Yeah, he won't hurt Link.

Since Achilles, with the effects from the river Styx, is invulnerable to any attack except to the back of his ankle. The chances of Link actually hitting Achilles there are slim to none. Achilles wins this both by sheer skill and due to his invulnerability.

Cause an enemy with a weak point is new to Link.

Even if Achilles could survive being struck anywhere but his ankle, Link's entire body would be invulnerable due to Achille's comparatively insignificant strength.

Also, being skilled is pretty much one of Link's super powers. Never had a bow before? Within an hour shoot inch thick pole on the opposite end of a canyon, **** yes.

Regardless, this is movie Achilles, who lacks anything resembling a chance.

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, you have a rotating roster of who you fanboy; this isn't new to anyone who has talked with you before.

You're currently swinging off Achilles' nuts as seen in your nut-swinging in two separate MVF matches and now this one in here.

Swing away, Merrill. Swing away. Just because I support Achilles in a fight against a gay mute such as Link doesn't mean I think he's unbeatable.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cause an enemy with a weak point is new to Link.

Even if Achilles could survive being struck anywhere but his ankle, Link's entire body would be invulnerable due to Achille's comparatively insignificant strength.

Also, being skilled is pretty much one of Link's super powers. Never had a bow before? Within an hour shoot inch thick pole on the opposite end of a canyon, **** yes.

Regardless, this is movie Achilles, who lacks anything resembling a chance. Prove Link is durable against blades or else concede the point.

You mean that scene where Link's hit with an axe and gets back up Scenario posted at you multiple times?

Or how he stops multiple tons in motion without being crushed?

Or how he's shot out of a cannon in the sky at the ground?

ect, ect, ect.

Provide a feat for Achilles that puts him ANYWHERE in Link's ball park and I'll respond to you again, until then. <3

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean that scene where Link's hit with an axe and gets back up Scenario posted at you multiple times?

Or how he stops multiple tons in motion without being crushed?

Or how he's shot out of a cannon in the sky at the ground?

ect, ect, ect.

Provide a feat for Achilles that puts him ANYWHERE in Link's ball park and I'll respond to you again, until then. <3 Surviving doesn't show immunity. Dear lord you need a common sense slap to your face.

Let any enemy attack Link with a sword. Tell me if Link can or cannot be hurt . That's the nature of the beast, fool.

Achilles cuts through gold.

Oh hey, he mentioned a feat, guess I'll reply.

Gold is a soft enough metal you can mark it with your teeth without damaging them.

That's not enough to let him hurt Link. Link who is stronger, better, faster, more durable, with longer reach.

/Done.

Actually, this Achilles is not invulnerable.-

He took arrows to the chest and died.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh hey, he mentioned a feat, guess I'll reply.

Gold is a soft enough metal you can mark it with your teeth without damaging them.

That's not enough to let him hurt Link. Link who is stronger, better, faster, more durable, with longer reach.

/Done. Link's flesh is less durable than gold. Link can be cut by any enemy in the game. Link is not immune to swords and anyone who says so after beating this game is just being delusional.

Achilles is more skilled and better with a sword than noob Link. Achilles wins.

Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, this Achilles is not invulnerable.-

He took arrows to the chest and died. No one said this Achilles was invulnerable.

Doesn't it take at least three solid hits to put link down. You couod stab him, but he could shrug it off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link's flesh is less durable than gold. Link can be cut by any enemy in the game. Link is not immune to swords and anyone who says so after beating this game is just being delusional.

Achilles is more skilled and better with a sword than noob Link. Achilles wins. Lol, resorting to gameplay mechanics again, I see. Even if you do ignore Link's canon durability like you're trying to, if you use this argument you have to accept the other implications of it. Sure, most enemies can hurt Link, but none can hurt him badly, IE your argument means

http://static.flickr.com/99/314492026_dc579da7d7_o.jpg
This thing barely hurts him. Congratulations, Achilles is still badly outclassed.

Link would still be better than Achilles in every category, you stooge.

As is though, that's still all gameplay mechanics, and by canon feats Achilles can't hurt Link at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles is more skilled and better with a sword than noob Link.

Wasn't it you who said Link gets through every soldier-stomping adversary in the game due to his skill?


When was the last time Achilles defeated a horde of creatures each being able to one-shot an armoured soldier?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Doesn't it take at least three solid hits to put link down. You couod stab him, but he could shrug it off. Yes, due to where he is being stabbed but the same can be said of most warriors.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, resorting to gameplay mechanics again, I see. Even if you do ignore Link's canon durability like you're trying to, if you use this argument you have to accept the other implications of it. Sure, most enemies can hurt Link, but none can hurt him badly, IE your argument means

http://static.flickr.com/99/314492026_dc579da7d7_o.jpg
This thing barely hurts him. Congratulations, Achilles is still badly outclassed.

Link would still be better than Achilles in every category, you stooge.

As is though, that's still all gameplay mechanics, and by canon feats Achilles can't hurt Link at all. If someone survives a car crash that doesn't mean anything with less force can't hurt the person. It's the same sort of logic. It's like one of those funny nonsensical dork things that Link does in his kiddie games.

Any enemy can hurt Link proving he isn't invulnerable to any of the attacks from the lowliest of grunts on up.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wasn't it you who said Link gets through every soldier-stomping adversary in the game due to his skill?


When was the last time Achilles defeated a horde of creatures each being able to one-shot an armoured soldier? Through skill, gear, and luck. he was beaten and aided by Midna constantly. LOL.

That's abc logic. In a one on one fight Achilles outclasses Link.

Originally posted by jmoul
Since Achilles, with the effects from the river Styx, is invulnerable to any attack except to the back of his ankle. The chances of Link actually hitting Achilles there are slim to none. Achilles wins this both by sheer skill and due to his invulnerability. Bam. You were even wrong about what people SAY Quan. You obviously are not reading the posts..... Gtfo.

Easily Link.

Achilles is weak, soft, and slow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Through skill, gear, and luck. he was beaten and aided by Midna constantly. LOL.

That's abc logic. In a one on one fight Achilles outclasses Link.

When has luck every aided him? When has he ever been beaten? When has Midna ever helped him in anything besides the I think two minor cases in battle? And what gear? His only combat weapons are a sword, bow and a boomerang

Its comparing what Link can do with skill to what Achilles can do. What has he done for you to feel he has more skill?

Originally posted by Pwned
Bam. You were even wrong about what people SAY Quan. You obviously are not reading the posts..... Gtfo. This occurred after my statement. For all I know it's a sock account since you hand off my every word. Originally posted by BloodRain
When has luck every aided him? When has he ever been beaten? When has Midna ever helped him in anything besides the I think two minor cases in battle? And what gear? His only combat weapons are a sword, bow and a boomerang

Its comparing what Link can do with skill to what Achilles can do. What has he done for you to feel he has more skill? Zant defeated him. Midna aids him all quest long. You can pretend she doesn't but I have already established you are a massive fanboy. I will smite thee. You forgot the boots and the ball and chain while listing outside weapons yourself, fanboy.

Watch the skill he uses in the film when he overtakes the beach, his spear throws, or his battles in general. If you don't think he exhibits skill then you don't know the meaning of the word.

What he doesn't exhibit is enough strength to harm Link, enough 'skill' to avoid Link's sword, or enough durability to survive it.

Achilles' bronze xiphos will fold like paper before breaking Link's skin, assuming he even gets in range to use it considering how much shorter it is than Link's weapon.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What he doesn't exhibit is enough strength to harm Link, enough 'skill' to avoid Link's sword, or enough durability to survive it.

Achilles' bronze xiphos will fold like paper before breaking Link's skin, assuming he even gets in range to use it considering how much shorter it is than Link's weapon. Link's never shown himself to be immune to swords. Ever.

Show me Link just flat out overpowering his opponents with his 100 plus ton strength you claimed. LOL.

Link's immune to swords being used by people below a certain strength level. Achilles is far beneath that level.
pnMfFaCO5ig

Here he shoots arrows with enough force to destroy a diamond/gem, and then proves himself not only capable of moving Fyrus' multi-ton mass, but overpowering him to pull his feet out from under him.

Z4d8DKYJqb4 Here Link stops Dangoro's 60-ish ton mass in motion without being crushed or even harmed, then lifts and throws him like a ragdoll.


This is the beginning of Link's quest, while he's still so weak that OoT Link considers him 'unworthy of the proud green of the tunic he wears'. haermm

You done?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's immune to swords being used by people below a certain strength level. Achilles is far beneath that level.
pnMfFaCO5ig

Here he shoots arrows with enough force to destroy a diamond/gem, and then proves himself not only capable of moving Fyrus' multi-ton mass, but overpowering him to pull his feet out from under him.

Z4d8DKYJqb4 Here Link stops Dangoro's 60-ish ton mass in motion without being crushed or even harmed, then lifts and throws him like a ragdoll.


This is the beginning of Link's quest, while he's still so weak that OoT Link considers him 'unworthy of the proud green of the tunic he wears'. haermm

You done? What does shooting an arrow have to do with anything ? Achilles destroyed gold with a sword swipe easily. This is a sword fight so try to stay on point.

Link needed his boots for that to be possible. Again no feats to suggest he is immune to swords. Just like I stated. Please try and prove something you are beginning to embarrass yourself again.

And the strength to shoot a bow comes from where, Quan? Think, boy, think. The strength of his arms.

Do the boots make him stronger?

And just like I said, Achilles is not strong enough to hurt Link, even with a sword.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And the strength to shoot a bow comes from where, Quan? Think, boy, think. The strength of his arms.

Do the boots make him stronger?

And just like I said, Achilles is not strong enough to hurt Link, even with a sword. Still not relevant in a sword fight. LOL.

The boots make the feat possible.

You haven't proven Link's immune to swords. You have made the baseless claim for years without proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zant defeated him. Midna aids him all quest long. You can pretend she doesn't but I have already established you are a massive fanboy. I will smite thee. You forgot the boots and the ball and chain while listing outside weapons yourself, fanboy.

Watch the skill he uses in the film when he overtakes the beach, his spear throws, or his battles in general. If you don't think he exhibits skill then you don't know the meaning of the word.

You mean the scene when Link is not engaged in battle when Zant suddenly releases a huge TK burst? How is that a negative on Link's skill..? She aids him in his quest, I'm talking about combat.. kinda what that topic is.
Urm no, as you can see I listed his 'combat' weapons. The ball isnt much of a combat weapon and certainly not one for taking on enemies surrounding you. And boots... boots arent weapons

Only seen him stabbing baldy and beating beardface. He's skilled sure but.. to human limits. Not even peak human combat from what Ive seen as of yet but I will check that beach scene and see if that view changes...



Okay it was impressive, but still human. Nothing your Jason Bornes or Eliot Spencers couldn't do. Human.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still not relevant in a sword fight. LOL.

I'm sorry...how exactly does evidence providing a basis for one's arm strength not relevant in a sword fight? Assuming there's a common understanding that swords are tools of war designed to be wielded though the strength of one's body, which primarily includes, but is not limited to, hands and arms.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still not relevant in a sword fight. LOL.

The boots make the feat possible.

You haven't proven Link's immune to swords. You have made the baseless claim for years without proof.
I have proven Link is durable. Durable things require strength to hurt. Achilles lacks sufficient strength. Q.E.D.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple.

Originally posted by BloodRain
You mean the scene when Link is not engaged in battle when Zant suddenly releases a huge TK burst? How is that a negative on Link's skill..? She aids him in his quest, I'm talking about combat.. kinda what that topic is.
Urm no, as you can see I listed his 'combat' weapons. The ball isnt much of a combat weapon and certainly not one for taking on enemies surrounding you. And boots... boots arent weapons

Only seen him stabbing baldy and beating beardface. He's skilled sure but.. to human limits. Not even peak human combat from what Ive seen as of yet but I will check that beach scene and see if that view changes...



Okay it was impressive, but still human. Nothing your Jason Bornes or Eliot Spencers couldn't do. Human. Link was defeated. The only reason he survived is luck. Cry about it all you want. She aids him in combat as well. You already acknowledged it.

The ball and chain is a combat weapon. The boots are gear he needs to achieve his goals.

If you think easily cutting off a gold statute is human, while throwing a spear with deadly accuracy in combat is human, along with blocking an arrow you aren't even looking at with your shield as you are charging your enemies is human you aren't being honest with me.

Most of the action stuff we see on screen is superhuman. Normal humans can't do that sort of stuff to people consistently.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link was defeated. The only reason he survived is luck. Cry about it all you want. She aids him in combat as well. You already acknowledged it.

The ball and chain is a combat weapon. The boots are gear he needs to achieve his goals.

If you think easily cutting off a gold statute is human, while throwing a spear with deadly accuracy in combat is human, along with blocking an arrow you aren't even looking at with your shield as you are charging your enemies is human you aren't being honest with me.

Most of the action stuff we see on screen is superhuman. Normal humans can't do that sort of stuff to people consistently.

So Achilles using his skill could defend himself from an unexpected and invisible force burst? Yes, only when he's in wolf form, /never/ when he's in his human form.

Ball isnt something used in 90% of any combat situation, only when the target doesn't move much. Boots aren't a weapon nor are they used in combat besides when weight is needed. Neither are weapons you would use in actual combat, so are not listed.

Will have to check the gold cut as thats the only notable thing.

Throwing a spear + raising a shield to block + running =/= more than a human limits. And no not a normal by any means, just a peak human. Just like this guy doing something no normal person could, but again he's still only human. If you want to give Achilles Peak to Low superhuman strength then fine, but his skill is demonstrated to be in the realms of peak human capabilities. That would be like saying the guys from 300 are all superhuman. (This example was brought to you buy a faulty memory, please ignore any inaccuracies if they are infact superhuman)

Originally posted by BloodRain
So Achilles using his skill could defend himself from an unexpected and invisible force burst? Yes, only when he's in wolf form, /never/ when he's in his human form.

Ball isnt something used in 90% of any combat situation, only when the target doesn't move much. Boots aren't a weapon nor are they used in combat besides when weight is needed. Neither are weapons you would use in actual combat, so are not listed.

Will have to check the gold cut as thats the only notable thing.

Throwing a spear + raising a shield to block + running =/= more than a human limits. And no not a normal by any means, just a peak human. Just like this guy doing something no normal person could, but again he's still only human. If you want to give Achilles Peak to Low superhuman strength then fine, but his skill is demonstrated to be in the realms of peak human capabilities. That would be like saying the guys from 300 are all superhuman. (This example was brought to you buy a faulty memory, please ignore any inaccuracies if they are infact superhuman) Link was beaten. Not my fault the guy was chumped out which is something Dorf couldn't even pull off in this game.

It's still used. That's all I said is he relies on other weapons than his sword. You agreed so quit crying about a guy who needs Midna's help, special swords, gear, and luck to prevail in his quest to save little Hyrule.

You feat arguers are very dishonest. I knew a stilly feat is the only thing you feat worshippers will listen to.

The guys from 300 are all superhuman as well. If you think humans can pull off their feats consistently in combat you are lying. Quit lying to yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link was beaten. Not my fault the guy was chumped out which is something Dorf couldn't even pull off in this game.

It's still used. That's all I said is he relies on other weapons than his sword. You agreed so quit crying about a guy who needs Midna's help, special swords, gear, and luck to prevail in his quest to save little Hyrule.

You feat arguers are very dishonest. I knew a stilly feat is the only thing you feat worshippers will listen to.

The guys from 300 are all superhuman as well. If you think humans can pull off their feats consistently in combat you are lying. Quit lying to yourself.

Answer my question. Could Achilles skill overcome that instance?

And Achilles uses a sword, spear and teammates Yes, I agreed that Midna helps his wolf form in combat. She doesnt lift a finger to aid his human side in a fight. I asked you to prove it was luck.

How is it dishonest to know what a person can do in order to compare it to what someone else can do. The whole time youve supported Russells speed and strength, Tom's killing curse and Achilles' combat skills.. youve been supporting their feats :T

So that guy in the vid is superhuman too? They're all peak human in combat and nothing shown says otherwise. Id be more than happy for you to show me something that disputes this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Answer my question. Could Achilles skill overcome that instance?

And Achilles uses a sword, spear and teammates Yes, I agreed that Midna helps his wolf form in combat. She doesnt lift a finger to aid his human side in a fight. I asked you to prove it was luck.

How is it dishonest to know what a person can do in order to compare it to what someone else can do. The whole time youve supported Russells speed and strength, Tom's killing curse and Achilles' combat skills.. youve been supporting their feats :T

So that guy in the vid is superhuman too? They're all peak human in combat and nothing shown says otherwise. Id be more than happy for you to show me something that disputes this. He wouldn't have been caught unaware.

Link doesn't ever take on an army just random idiots scattered left and right. He was at Zant's mercy so he was lucky to have survived.

Their feats against peers. Just because Poseidon in Immortals creates the tidal wave of that force doesn't suggest he is unharmed by Titans who don't display one tenth of that power on screen. It's how fiction works and always will.

If no one can replicate those feats with consistency it's superhuman not peak human. A peak human cannot consistently perform the said feats.

so all athletes who build up muscle memory or train for consistency are superhuman?

I see Quan has returned with his latest character fascination. Figures he went from a likely gay vampire to the definitively gay Brad Pitt. But what I don't get is that even he must realize the vampire is more powerful than Achilles. So when the vamp got stomped, why go lower to try and beat Link?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wouldn't have been caught unaware.
So you have something from Troy that proves he can react to an invisible force shockwave?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link doesn't ever take on an army just random idiots scattered left and right. He was at Zant's mercy so he was lucky to have survived.
Youre comparing the humans Achilles fought to a guy with telekinetic powers?

Link uses a sword. Achilles uses a sword.
Link uses a bow. Achilles uses a spear.
Link uses a ball&chain. Achilles uses a small army warriors each with swords and spears of their own, and arrows.

The best thing Ive seen Achilles do is kill 20 /humans/ in a row, taking at most 2 at a time. Compare to Link taking several enemies ganging up at once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their feats against peers. Just because Poseidon in Immortals creates the tidal wave of that force doesn't suggest he is unharmed by Titans who don't display one tenth of that power on screen. It's how fiction works and always will.
Not even sure what that example was meant to explain. Russell does something fast around fast characters = Link doing something strong around strong characters, Feats are feats, you use them all the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If no one can replicate those feats with consistency it's superhuman not peak human. A peak human cannot consistently perform the said feats.
Thats what a peak human in fiction is. A character that has peak human speed, strength and skills altogether. IRL this person would be a superhuman as no one could be peak in all those areas, but in fiction its called peak as it doesn't go past the human limits.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
so all athletes who build up muscle memory or train for consistency are superhuman? No, to do what Achilles does consistently is superhuman. Watch the scene and if you think anyone alive or dead is capable of doing what he did in battle then you are lying to me.Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I see Quan has returned with his latest character fascination. Figures he went from a likely gay vampire to the definitively gay Brad Pitt. But what I don't get is that even he must realize the vampire is more powerful than Achilles. So when the vamp got stomped, why go lower to try and beat Link? The vamp destroyed Link so it I made this one more fair. Link still lost. I am thinking of pitting him against Kermit the Forg next week. The mutish, cartoon boy can't beat anyone.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So you have something from Troy that proves he can react to an invisible force shockwave? I don't think he'd be unaware of what was going on at that time. His battle awareness was legendary. You saw the clip. The guy was knocking spears out of the air while blocking arrows behind his back casually.


I am saying Link's awareness skills are shit compared to Achilles who has to do with stimuli all over the battlefield.
Achilles doesn't use a supernatural character or a wolf like body either. Achilles doesn't use small armies against foes. Achilles fights one on one. Achilles took over the beach with a small amount of men. The guy's in another league than Hyrule which army is like a joke.
Achilles had to deal with an army. Link never has to deal with all that stimuli coming at him from all angles. Link also has Midna around to help him.

Link isn't portrayed as superior to his foes with strength. Russell is. Link has to use the right skill or strike or weapon to win. He doesn't just overpower his foes into submission. Russell was portrayed as in another lreague against superhumanly strong opponents.

You agree he is a superhuman so concession accepted. You are progressing wonderfully. To easily cut the gold statue in half that is pretty much superior to human beings limits.

I haven't seen troy. I've seen the hector vs achilles vid though, and there is NOTHING super about it. Am I missing something from the rest of the movie?

At one point Achilles throws a spear pretty hard, other than that, no.

Then link has this in the bag.

Link wins the fight based solely on the fact that the movie Troy is bad.

Well actually Link wins for a variety of reasons. I just want to stress that the film Troy is bad.

Frigging Hawkeye- would give Achilles a run for his money on a sword fight, Link would plain break his arm by casually swiping at Achilles sword.

Quan should just become a Link fanboy and be done with it.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Then link has this in the bag. Prove it.

Originally posted by Bentley
Frigging Hawkeye- would give Achilles a run for his money on a sword fight, Link would plain break his arm by casually swiping at Achilles sword.

Quan should just become a Link fanboy and be done with it. Make a case for Link because at this point you just randomly show up to say something stupid and then disappear for weeks at a time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Make a case for Link because at this point you just randomly show up to say something stupid and then disappear for weeks at a time.

I rationalize his life extends beyond the degrading of a complex cinema-quality character by pitting him against a pg video-game character.

An event which you don't mind dramatizing.

Originally posted by Dolos
I rationalize his life extends beyond the degrading of a complex cinema-quality character by pitting him against a pg video-game character.

An event which you don't mind dramatizing. He's french. That should clear up the confusion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's french. That should clear up the confusion.

Yes, cowardice runs through the veins of the French.

Originally posted by Dolos
WTF does being French have to do with anything? Listen the point is Achilles wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Listen the point is Achilles wins.

Achilles is a realistic portrayal of a mortal man...Link is a cartoon character.

Achilles is cooler though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Listen the point is Achilles wins. Not even if you cover your ears and pretend as hard as you can.

Originally posted by Dolos
Achilles is a realistic portrayal of a mortal man...Link is a cartoon character.

Achilles is cooler though.

Originally posted by Dolos
Yes, cowardice runs through the veins of the French.

You completely edited your comments. You seem fragile.Originally posted by Dolos
Achilles is a realistic portrayal of a mortal man...Link is a cartoon character.

Achilles is cooler though. Yes, and the tooney g rated character loses.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not even if you cover your ears and pretend as hard as you can. You already conceded the debate to me like all the other debates. Tbh you don't seem to have the stomach for this.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I have proven Link is durable. Durable things require strength to hurt. Achilles lacks sufficient strength. Q.E.D.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple.

Looks like you're lying again. I'm going to bed, you have all night to dream up some imaginative denial.

You strike me as a racist.

Originally posted by Dolos
You strike me as a racist. What race do I hate iyo ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
What race do I hate iyo ?

I'd assume the one you were just stereotyping.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Looks like you're lying again. I'm going to bed, you have all night to dream up some imaginative denial. You'd have to prove Link is immune to a sword. You also have no proof that Link used his freakish strength to overpower his enemies. You just make baseless claims which don't translate over to his portrayal within the games themselves.

I have been more than fair with the opposition here. If you can't back your claims concede again and go to sleep.

Originally posted by Dolos
I'd assume the one you were just stereotyping. A joke must be a foreign language to one such as yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A joke must be a foreign language to one such as yourself.

That's assuming I wasn't joking myself.

Originally posted by Dolos
That's assuming I wasn't joking myself. I can tell you are playing it off like you were but I know better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I can tell you are playing it off like you were but I know better.

No, I really believe you're a racist based on one stereotypical comment; as a scientist believes in gravity based on empirical evidence.

You see my intuition approaches precognition.

Originally posted by Dolos
No, I really believe you're a racist based on one stereotypical comment; as a scientist believes in gravity based on imperical evidence.

You see my intuition approaches precognition. It's empirical evidence just so you know.

Do you favor or believe the Star wars badasses of the big screen can beat let's say Albus or Voldemort for a majority ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's empirical evidence just so you know.

Do you favor or believe the Star wars badasses of the big screen can beat let's say Albus or Voldemort for a majority ?

I missed out on the whole Harry Potter franchise. LOTR, The Matrix and Star Wars won me over as a kid. After which I stopped watching fantasy films of the sort. Missed out on the Twilight franchise as well.

Originally posted by Dolos
I missed out on the whole Harry Potter franchise. LOTR, The Matrix and Star Wars won me over as a kid. After which I stopped watching fantasy films of the sort. Missed out on the Twilight franchise as well. You missed out on Lord Voldemort. You sicken me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You sicken me.

Good.

Originally posted by Dolos
Good. That's not a good thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not a good thing.

It is if it means less conversing between the two of us.

Originally posted by Dolos
It does if it means less conversing between the two of us.



I do inspire fear in my enemies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do inspire fear in my enemies.

Yeah sure, that's what it is.

That's why everyone in this thread has chosen to stop arguing with you. They understand how thick scary you are.

Oh dear God what sin did we blight this Earth with to deserve such a punishment as a meeting like this?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Oh dear God what sin did we blight this Earth with to deserve such a punishment as a meeting like this?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think he'd be unaware of what was going on at that time. His battle awareness was legendary. You saw the clip. The guy was knocking spears out of the air while blocking arrows behind his back casually.
Yeah that didnt really answer my question..

Can Achilles.. react.. to an invisible force shockwave. And if show present something that says why.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying Link's awareness skills are shit compared to Achilles who has to do with stimuli all over the battlefield.
Based on what are Link's awareness skills shit in comparison? Achilles was impressive but show me an action film where the character cant do the same thing.

Even less to the point is that this has nothing to do with reacting to an untelegraphed, unseen shockwave.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles doesn't use a supernatural character or a wolf like body either. Achilles doesn't use small armies against foes. Achilles fights one on one. Achilles took over the beach with a small amount of men. The guy's in another league than Hyrule which army is like a joke.

Achilles had to deal with an army. Link never has to deal with all that stimuli coming at him from all angles. Link also has Midna around to help him.

Unless you think that his wolf form is better in a fight than his human form :/ and further think that he'd used that form all the time.

"Achilles fights one on one. Achilles took over the beach with a small amount of men."
So he needed help? Hey if you say Mida helps Link in combat based on maybe one instance when only in his wolf form, then Achilles gets help from the small army to fight the numbers.

Weapon-wise there isnt much of a difference. Foe wise there is; Achilles takes on 20 humans at must 2 at a time with a small army behind him.. Link takes on hordes of monsters ganging up on him. Link fights monsters more than 2 v 1.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link isn't portrayed as superior to his foes with strength. Russell is. Link has to use the right skill or strike or weapon to win. He doesn't just overpower his foes into submission. Russell was portrayed as in another lreague against superhumanly strong opponents.

You agree he is a superhuman so concession accepted. You are progressing wonderfully. To easily cut the gold statue in half that is pretty much superior to human beings limits.

Yes because Link's never had a contest of strength before or needed strength to do certain things.

..Okay listen to my words one more time; "Thats what a peak human in fiction is." In real life Achilles would be a superhuman just based on having peak strength and speed at the same time.. but having both of those together is classed as just peak human in fiction. So like I said, everything about him is peak human apart from his strength which is low superhuman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You'd have to prove Link is immune to a sword. You also have no proof that Link used his freakish strength to overpower his enemies.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's immune to swords being used by people below a certain strength level. Achilles is far beneath that level.
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Here he shoots arrows with enough force to destroy a diamond/gem, and then proves himself not only capable of moving Fyrus' multi-ton mass, but overpowering him to pull his feet out from under him.

Z4d8DKYJqb4 Here Link stops Dangoro's 60-ish ton mass in motion without being crushed or even harmed, then lifts and throws him like a ragdoll.


This is the beginning of Link's quest, while he's still so weak that OoT Link considers him 'unworthy of the proud green of the tunic he wears'. haermm

You done?
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Come again?

haermm Oh shit I can't ever remember ever seeing that scene.

Tanking an axe to the face from a guy that can oneshot massive beasts? Yeah...

Originally posted by BloodRain
haermm Oh shit I can't ever remember ever seeing that scene.

Tanking an axe to the face from a guy that can oneshot massive beasts? Yeah...
Indeed.

Quan's still avoiding my question; I wonder if Quan thinks the boots make Link more durable, too?

Originally posted by Dolos
Yeah sure, that's what it is.

That's why everyone in this thread has chosen to stop arguing with you. They understand how thick scary you are.

Beaten into submission. If you haven't noticed there are people still responding to my arguments. Most are weak willed and run to bed rather than face me.Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Come again? I already responded to this in depth. You aren't debating.Originally posted by BloodRain
haermm Oh shit I can't ever remember ever seeing that scene.

Tanking an axe to the face from a guy that can oneshot massive beasts? Yeah... Surviving a car crash with the force involved doesn't mean you are immune to punches either. Let that guy hit you with the axe right after and you're going to die. The point is he isn't immune to axes or any sharp weapons. That's a fact.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah that didnt really answer my question..

Can Achilles.. react.. to an invisible force shockwave. And if show present something that says why.He is more battle aware so he wouldn't be caught that off guard by himself. he isn't tending to some woman so he will be focusing unlike Link.

Lots of characters can't do the same thing as he did. Take Russell Crow's character from the Gladiator. He is awesome in battle ye he didn't ride into battle with the same sense of awe Achilles did. Achilles stormed the beach before his massive army all docked and he still took it easily.
Link doesn't have anything close to the battle awareness seen by Achilles. That's the point. We see it multiple times I mean the guy gets put on his ass from that huge snow creature or whatever iirc in a canon scene. Just a clumsy, awkward hero without the ability to speak.

It gives him different abilities than his human form.
Achilles is taking on a massive army. In Hyrule there is no massive army and never does Link take the opposition on in huge numbers directly. Link has supernatural help which helps him defeat his enemies. Achilles needs no help destroying his enemies only when their numbers greatly outnumber him. Link uses her help against a single foe.
There's a difference with two stupid monsters fighting you than a beach spawned army shooting arrows at you and spears while you are fighting warriors all around you.


He is strong enough for the tasks set before him but never does he just show a superior strength to just dominating his opponents with his sword. There's a reason he masters the techniques he needs his skill to get him through. He isn't portrayed as this super strong you can't **** with me kind of guy like a Russell Edgington.
I could care less what you classify him as. It has no relevance here since he can kill Link. His skill is also far greater than Link's in the game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already responded to this in depth. You aren't debating.

Surviving a car crash with the force involved doesn't mean you are immune to punches either.
Go ahead, rationalize how that's not a durability feat.

Cars have seatbelts, airbags, and brakes. There are no brakes on the Link-Train.

link-rape

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Go ahead, rationalize how that's not a durability feat.

Cars have seatbelts, airbags, and brakes. There are no brakes on the Link-Train.

link-rape It all depends on where the blade hits you and how your body was reacting at the time. If Link just stood there and let someone hit him with an axe; would he live ?

The same goes for the car it depends on the movement of your body ie. that you don't tense up and what not. It doesn't mean you are immune to far less force in that of a punch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It all depends on where the blade hits you and how your body was reacting at the time. If Link just stood there and let someone hit him with an axe; would he live ?

The same goes for the car it depends on the movement of your body ie. that you don't tense up and what not. It doesn't mean you are immune to far less force in that of a punch. You mean like he did in that scene and was unhurt by? Someone with Achilles' strength would break his own arm before hurting Link with an axe.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I have proven Link is durable. Durable things require strength to hurt. Achilles lacks sufficient strength. Q.E.D.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean like he did in that scene and was unhurt by? Someone with Achilles' strength would break his own arm before hurting Link with an axe. Probably because it wasn't a direct hit with the bladed edge of the axe. Regardless of your Link wanking let your opponent hit you with the axe after the scene and tell me if it hurts Link at all. if it does then I have backed my claim that he isn't immune.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I have proven Link is durable. Durable things require strength to hurt. Achilles lacks sufficient strength. Q.E.D.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Based on what swrod fights are you basing this off of ?

Quit obsessing over the boots I have answered these questions a thousand times over.

Not answering then? Concession accepted.

Just in time, too. I'm going to see Testament.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not answering then? Concession accepted.

Just in time, too. I'm going to see Testament. The boots make the feat possible. Without them he can't even interact with the Gorons. The game makes it crystal clear without them neither he nor Bo can best them. Now quit asking the same questions I have answered already.

You avoided it again.

Do. They. Make. Him. Stronger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You avoided it again.

Do. They. Make. Him. Stronger? Irrelevant. They make the feat possible. What's funny is some old goon also did so with the boots.

I didn't ask if they make it possible, cockwit.

Do they make him stronger? Yes or no?

This is your last chance, boyo. **** it up again and you cease being amusing and start being depressing. I don't socialize with people who depress me.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I didn't ask if they make it possible, cockwit.

Do they make him stronger? Yes or no?

This is your last chance, boyo. **** it up again and you cease being amusing and start being depressing. I don't socialize with people who depress me. Don't threaten me I am an alpha male. Neither Bo nor Link were portrayed as super strong in the games just strong enough. If Link was super strong he'd annihilate his foes or be on another level due to super strength but he was not.

Two things.

First, I laughed.

Second, concession accepted.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Two things.

First, I laughed.

Second, concession accepted. You don't know what a concession is and since I deal with accepting concessions on the reg just see your movie and don't come back to my thread. Do yourself a favor. You aren't cut out for this.

Go take a look at Ganon, Quan. Look how big he is. Now, look at his weapons. Big ass swords. Those hit Link, who is absolutely fine.


Achilles can't beat that.

Quan you just saw a guy, that can knock around a boar twice the size of a rhino, hit Link square in the face with the sharp end of a huge axe.. and youre denying it?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is more battle aware so he wouldn't be caught that off guard by himself. he isn't tending to some woman so he will be focusing unlike Link.
So youre saying that he wouldn't be caught off guard by an invisible force? That his focus would let him defend from a shockwave he cant see? C'mon, Link getting knocked back by a telekinetic blast means nothing against him, less so compared to Achilles who has nothing to suggest he could do anything here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lots of characters can't do the same thing as he did. Take Russell Crow's character from the Gladiator. He is awesome in battle ye he didn't ride into battle with the same sense of awe Achilles did. Achilles stormed the beach before his massive army all docked and he still took it easily.
What about lets say any martial arts film with a human protag. I remember hearing several pros saying just how difficult it would be to take on several foes, but these guys can take on dozens of guys at once. You Chan's, Lee's, Li's, Jaa's.. Noland's Batman.. Eizo&Connor from Assassins Creed.. All action protagonists take on several people at once and they're never taken as above human limits in their combat.. Achilles did nothing that any other action hero hasn't done a million times.

Another example would be SS Link dashing head on into about 50+ armed monsters.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link doesn't have anything close to the battle awareness seen by Achilles. That's the point. We see it multiple times I mean the guy gets put on his ass from that huge snow creature or whatever iirc in a canon scene. Just a clumsy, awkward hero without the ability to speak.
You tell me how being battle aware would allow you to react to a force push and maybe Ill see what you mean. The worlds greatest martial arts master would get knocked aside if a guy standing in front of him released a shockwave from his body. So you tell me exactly what Achilles would do.


And you know that when you start with the character-personal jabs it seems like you're hating on Link, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It gives him different abilities than his human form.
Yeah.. faster dashing which is useless in a fight, weaker attacks, less manoeuvrability in a fight, no access to skills/techniques/items/range, no shield.. tell me again why he'd choose this form?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles is taking on a massive army. In Hyrule there is no massive army and never does Link take the opposition on in huge numbers directly. Link has supernatural help which helps him defeat his enemies. Achilles needs no help destroying his enemies only when their numbers greatly outnumber him. Link uses her help against a single foe.

There's a difference with two stupid monsters fighting you than a beach spawned army shooting arrows at you and spears while you are fighting warriors all around you.

..so he needed help then? When Link has his sword drawn when does he get assistance?
And youre looking at his feat in a broad sense. Sure he killed 20 people, but how many were around him/targeting him at a time? Two. About two at a time. How is taking on two people at a time some awe-inspiring thing?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is strong enough for the tasks set before him but never does he just show a superior strength to just dominating his opponents with his sword. There's a reason he masters the techniques he needs his skill to get him through. He isn't portrayed as this super strong you can't **** with me kind of guy like a Russell Edgington.
No he's strong enough because he's strong. Remember when Scenario posted that link to the creator stating that Link is superhumanly strong? Creator portrayal.

Very confusing. If Link isnt strong then these 'mastered techniques' would have to compensate for that to defeat the monsters and things he defeats. Kinda goes against him not being skilled.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less what you classify him as. It has no relevance here since he can kill Link. His skill is also far greater than Link's in the game.
Your proof for Achilles being more skilled so far has been him defeating two guys at a time. Your proof that Link has less skill is.. nothing so far.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So youre saying that he wouldn't be caught off guard by an invisible force? That his focus would let him defend from a shockwave he cant see? C'mon, Link getting knocked back by a telekinetic blast means nothing against him, less so compared to Achilles who has nothing to suggest he could do anything here.


What about lets say any martial arts film with a human protag. I remember hearing several pros saying just how difficult it would be to take on several foes, but these guys can take on dozens of guys at once. You Chan's, Lee's, Li's, Jaa's.. Noland's Batman.. Eizo&Connor from Assassins Creed.. All action protagonists take on several people at once and they're never taken as above human limits in their combat.. Achilles did nothing that any other action hero hasn't done a million times. I am saying he seems to be more aware in general of his enemies than Link is. Link also had a companion who was aimed at defeating zant to double fail on Link's behalf.

There are other guys with battle awareness beyond Link. I am glad you agree. Most of the action heroes do things real life people cannot do thus making them superhuman. To suggest otherwise is well ridiculous. Deja Vu.
That Link isn't in this thread so please stop breaking the rules because you really like the Zelda universe.

Throw a spear into his foe before they pushed him.

Link is a stupid character. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Against an army; yes. More than two since we see him taking on multiple foes and warding off a spear and an arrow. All of this is taking place in succession from a multitude of different directions to boot.

I agree he is superhumanly strong. He isn't strong to the point most are suggesting in his fights. It doesn't translate over into his portrayal.
He is skilled but not to the point of Achilles. That isn't a knock on Link's skill it's just he's no Achilles. Link is strong but not to the point of a Russell Edgington who was portrayed as vastly stronger than his foes. That's not a knock against his strength either.

Achilles taking over a beachhead with a fraction of his force. Achilles' leadership and skill accomplished the task.

Originally posted by quanchi112
...just see your movie...

Testament is a band, you ***.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Testament is a band, you ***. The point is you ran from me and will keep running. See your band or movies to delay your fate but you can't avoid it. It is inevitable.

Strange, I seem to recall you being scared of a simple question, and now your posturing, acting like it's not your own fault I've gotten bored. Cute.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I have proven Link is durable. Durable things require strength to hurt. Achilles lacks sufficient strength. Q.E.D.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple. Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what swrod fights are you basing this off of ?

Quit obsessing over the boots I have answered these questions a thousand times over. Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not answering then? Concession accepted.

Just in time, too. I'm going to see Testament. Originally posted by quanchi112
The boots make the feat possible. Without them he can't even interact with the Gorons. The game makes it crystal clear without them neither he nor Bo can best them. Now quit asking the same questions I have answered already. Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You avoided it again.

Do. They. Make. Him. Stronger? Originally posted by quanchi112
Irrelevant. They make the feat possible. What's funny is some old goon also did so with the boots.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I didn't ask if they make it possible, cockwit.

Do they make him stronger? Yes or no?

This is your last chance, boyo. **** it up again and you cease being amusing and start being depressing. I don't socialize with people who depress me.

Look how many chances I gave you, Quan. Oh, and then this gem.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Don't threaten me I am an alpha male. Neither Bo nor Link were portrayed as super strong in the games just strong enough. If Link was super strong he'd annihilate his foes or be on another level due to super strength but he was not.
"I am an alpha male!" haermm Sure you are, keyboard jockey, sure you are.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Two things.

First, I laughed.

Second, concession accepted.

Quick question. How is being "battle aware" gonna help in a one on one fight?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link is class 100+ to an undeniable degree. You'll note that class 100+ includes everyone who can lift from 101 tons over their head to things like Hulk, and beyond.





Did I really miss THAT much in the gaming world these past 20 years?

Since when does Link, of ALL people, have the physical strength to lift over one hundred TONS of weight???

Originally posted by bluewaterrider


Did I really miss THAT much in the gaming world these past 20 years?

Since when does Link, of ALL people, have the physical strength to lift over one hundred TONS of weight??? Probably since 1991, 1998 had him tossing hundreds of tons, WW/TP as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he seems to be more aware in general of his enemies than Link is. Link also had a companion who was aimed at defeating zant to double fail on Link's behalf.

There are other guys with battle awareness beyond Link. I am glad you agree. Most of the action heroes do things real life people cannot do thus making them superhuman. To suggest otherwise is well ridiculous. Deja Vu.
Thats not what I was asking for though was it? I was asking if Achilles' apparent superior skill and battle awareness would allow him to react to Zants TK blast, let alone defeat him. Because if he cant do so then bringing up Zant here is pointless.

Then you're standing alone on the fictional term of 'peak human' which all those people are. And what even makes you think their awareness is 'beyond' Link's? You havnt shown anything that goes against Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That Link isn't in this thread so please stop breaking the rules because you really like the Zelda universe.

Throw a spear into his foe before they pushed him.
Woah keep your pants on sparky, I was just listing an example with closer relation to this thread.

So youre answer to how would he react to Zant is for him to do it before the attack? Massive dodge on what was asked. Do you even remember the scene? Zant stands there, motionless, then without moving a shockwave erupts from his body.. at what point does superior awareness kick in? What makes you think lifting, cocking an arm and throwing a spear would happen faster than Zant's thought?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Link is a stupid character. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
Not that I want to start a pointless point, but anything that makes him below average? Accepting that he wouldn't use his wolf form in combat then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Against an army; yes. More than two since we see him taking on multiple foes and warding off a spear and an arrow. All of this is taking place in succession from a multitude of different directions to boot.

I agree he is superhumanly strong. He isn't strong to the point most are suggesting in his fights. It doesn't translate over into his portrayal.
The arrow was more like dumb luck, unless you think he could magically react to a fired arrow without ever seeing it.. Just watched it again and the only time he took on more than two at once, happened twice, was where the third person stood out of reach. Still no awareness some goddly level above humans.

And why not when we have the dev himself saying he is when talking about him moving huge stone blocks? Thats both confirmation and him telling us that that is the portrayal he wanted in the game.

You admit he's superhumanly strong + Creator admits he's portrayed to be superhumanly strong to do his feats + Link doing said feats = Link is superhumanly strong to be able to do those feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He is skilled but not to the point of Achilles. That isn't a knock on Link's skill it's just he's no Achilles. Link is strong but not to the point of a Russell Edgington who was portrayed as vastly stronger than his foes. That's not a knock against his strength either.

Achilles taking over a beachhead with a fraction of his force. Achilles' leadership and skill accomplished the task.
The thing is I know Achilles is skilled, seen the clips, but all we've seen to comment on his skill is taking on 2+ people at once and defeating humans. TP Link might not have some highly impressive skill montage (besides defeating several weaponed things, at times in groups, or beating monsters that one-shot elite knights), but as you've said he is skilled to be able to do the things he does.

So there would have to be a good legit reason to why Achilles' skill trumps Links.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thats not what I was asking for though was it? I was asking if Achilles' apparent superior skill and battle awareness would allow him to react to Zants TK blast, let alone defeat him. Because if he cant do so then bringing up Zant here is pointless. Yes, because his instincts are far greater than Link's are. It's obvious. If you disagree then that is your right.
The video has already been posted where he stormed the beach and overtook it with a handful of soldiers. Link is in capable of such a thing. He is seems to be quite reliant on Midna with help against single enemies or a small number throughout the majority of the game.

I am actually surprised you came back from the asskicking you have been taking.
As soon as Zant appeared Achilles would throw a spear at him and charge him throwing his concentration off. Link stood there like some canadian hillbilly. Achilles would react before Zant did so. Link's inaction is what cost him not zant's speed.
I am saying he is stupid as in can't talk and acts stupid.

So the arrow was dumb luck he held his shield up to block it despite the movie shoving down his superiority and skill levels to uber levels the entire movie. You think the point of that scene was to show how lucky Achilles can be in combat. Fanboys.

Yes, it shows he can lift but it doesn't translate over to combat like in most areas of fiction. Fanboys take any charcaters highest feats and ignore all else. Zelda fans are that to a t.
I have already explained myself on this matter thoroughly. I hope from my response earlier in the thread you can finally accept or hopefully see what my position is here.

Achilles beats skilled humans. He destroys highly skilled opponents to the point no one can even beat him in combat or come close. Link mainly fights slobs, henchmen, or monsters all lacking skill. His skill levels are rammed through the game to be important and also fall perfectly into my he doesn't have superhuman strength that his opponents can't hope to fight against theory.


We don't see Link use anywhere near the skill Achilles consistently demonstrates in the movie against skilled/organized opponents. That's another criticism of Zelda games. These monsters are dumb/unorganized/fools who show up a few at a time and don't really show any military intelligence of any kind. Just like this magic/these forces can take over shitbag Hyrule. One of the weakest fictional locations I can recall off the top of my head.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Strange, I seem to recall you being scared of a simple question, and now your posturing, acting like it's not your own fault I've gotten bored. Cute.




Look how many chances I gave you, Quan. Oh, and then this gem.

"I am an alpha male!" haermm Sure you are, keyboard jockey, sure you are. Boots make the feat possible. Link doesn't have the strength to achieve the feat in the game without the boots. The game shows you it is impossible without the gear.Originally posted by bluewaterrider


Did I really miss THAT much in the gaming world these past 20 years?

Since when does Link, of ALL people, have the physical strength to lift over one hundred TONS of weight??? Fanboys.

It's been days and you still can't gather the nuts to answer a simple question. I'm disappointed. Some 'alpha male' you turned out to be.

I'll answer the question for you, Quan.

No; the boots do not make Link stronger.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's been days and you still can't gather the nuts to answer a simple question. I'm disappointed. Some 'alpha male' you turned out to be.

I'll answer the question for you, Quan.

No; the boots do not make Link stronger. The boots make the feat possible. Without the boots Link can't even engage them.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/26718849_zps8b5855a2.jpg

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/26718849_zps8b5855a2.jpg There's no "e" in argument.

You're such a failure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There's no "e" in argument.

You're such a failure.
1. Yes, there is an 'E' in argument.
2. I didn't make the image.
3. Don't change the topic.

The topic is thus:

Quanchi refuses to answer a simple question he knows the answer to because he's afraid of what the answer to the question implies. That's quite a lot more failure than just putting an extra 'E' in argument.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Yes, there is an 'E' in argument.
2. I didn't make the image.
3. Don't change the topic.

The topic is thus:

Quanchi refuses to answer a simple question he knows the answer to because he's afraid of what the answer to the question implies. That's quite a lot more failure than just putting an extra 'E' in argument. There isn't an e in argue in argument. You used an image despite not knowing how to spell the word. You're awful.

The game makes it perfectly clear he needs the boots. Pretend he doesn't you rabid fanboy.

Do the boots make him stronger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do the boots make him stronger? Irrelevant. Without the boots he cannot do so.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do the boots make him stronger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Unlike you I can tell you why the question is irrelevant. You demonstrate no thought capacity or logic of any kind. You peddle other people's arguments you heard in the video game versus forum. It's sad.

Concession accepted.

Goodnight, Quan. Feel free to think about whether it's 'yes' or 'no'.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Concession accepted.

Goodnight, Quan. Feel free to think about whether it's 'yes' or 'no'. I answered the question you trying to paint everything black or white is so someone of your limited intelligence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I answered the question you trying to paint everything black or white is so someone of your limited intelligence. 1. What you just said didn't make sense.
2. No, you did not answer my question.

My question was "Do the boots make Link stronger?". My question was not "Hey, Quan, are you of the irrelevant opinion that Link could or could not stop a mass much heavier than himself in motion that is rolling down hill at him without an increase to his own weight?".

Do the boots make him stronger?

Quan, is there a, "U" in colour? Armour?

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, is there a, "U" in colour? Armour?
Not in 'Merica.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. What you just said didn't make sense.
2. No, you did not answer my question.

My question was "Do the boots make Link stronger?". My question was not "Hey, Quan, are you of the irrelevant opinion that Link could or could not stop a mass much heavier than himself in motion that is rolling down hill at him without an increase to his own weight?".

Do the boots make him stronger? I already gave my reasoning. Without the boots Link can't hope to overpower or lift any of them. Blame zelda creators.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, is there a, "U" in colour? Armour? Not in Ohio, toolbag.

Your 'reasoning' isn't relevant to the question I actually asked, Quan.

Do the boots make him stronger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your 'reasoning' isn't relevant to the question I actually asked, Quan.

Do the boots make him stronger? The game makes it clear Link cannot interact without the boots just like Bo. Without the boots neither can even dream of winning. They had to cheat because they are cheaters.

He did catch a rampaging goat unaided though. Those things are pretty big.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The game makes it clear Link cannot interact without the boots just like Bo. Without the boots neither can even dream of winning. They had to cheat because they are cheaters. Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. What you just said didn't make sense.
2. No, you did not answer my question.

My question was "Do the boots make Link stronger?". My question was not "Hey, Quan, are you of the irrelevant opinion that Link could or could not stop a mass much heavier than himself in motion that is rolling down hill at him without an increase to his own weight?".

Do the boots make him stronger?

Boots help him stop Gorons, not lift or throw them.

The Boots make him heavier so his lighter frame doesn't get knocked back, its basic physics and doesnt mean anything against or for the strength needed to survive, lift and throw Gorons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, because his instincts are far greater than Link's are. It's obvious. If you disagree then that is your right.

As soon as Zant appeared Achilles would throw a spear at him and charge him throwing his concentration off. Link stood there like some canadian hillbilly. Achilles would react before Zant did so. Link's inaction is what cost him not zant's speed.
If its so obvious then be so kind as to tell me how 'instincts' will stop a shockwave coming towards him?

So youre admitting that it has nothing to do with awareness and is only to do with his violent nature? Cool.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The video has already been posted where he stormed the beach and overtook it with a handful of soldiers. Link is in capable of such a thing. He is seems to be quite reliant on Midna with help against single enemies or a small number throughout the majority of the game.
2+ at a time = what Link does against monsters on a regular basis. And point at a video and yelling 'there!' doesnt help in a comparison to their awarenesses.

Oh wow you seriously back on that point after skipping on your response to when Midna ever helps a sword drawn Link in combat?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am actually surprised you came back from the asskicking you have been taking.
I am saying he is stupid as in can't talk and acts stupid.
So the arrow was dumb luck he held his shield up to block it despite the movie shoving down his superiority and skill levels to uber levels the entire movie. You think the point of that scene was to show how lucky Achilles can be in combat. Fanboys.
I don't recall an asskicking nor do I recall ever leaving.. O.o

He can canonly talk and don't remember any stupid acts so.. yeah.

Uber levels? Again, where? Unless you want to go ahead and tell me how a person can react to something they neither see or hear?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it shows he can lift but it doesn't translate over to combat like in most areas of fiction. Fanboys take any charcaters highest feats and ignore all else. Zelda fans are that to a t.
I have already explained myself on this matter thoroughly. I hope from my response earlier in the thread you can finally accept or hopefully see what my position is here.
Now I want you to explain how someone can have the upperbody strength to lift/throw/push/knock around things that weigh tens to hundreds of tons but not have the upperbody strength to hit even slightly harder.
In-game feats + creator portrayal statements > your ideas on portrayal.


And 'highest' feats? Lets see...(and do me a favour, if the weights upset you that much simply ignore them, not asking you to accept numbers in this post);
Stopping a large charging goat (1 ton compared to irl animals), being only knocked out from a blindsided head club by King Bulbin (can knock around multi ton boars), picking up Gorons, throwing Gorons (Boots only help the stopping, so these feats count, 5-10 tons), picking up Dangoro, throwing Dangoro (again, bootless feats, about 50 tons) pulling chains of a giant stone beast (3 times taller than Gorons), can walk in magnetized Iron Boots (more than Dangoro), moving metal cages (think its 30 tons), can take an axe strike to the face from King Bulbin unphased (multi ton) pulling a chain to lift up a room sized metal chandelier (more than the cage), can easily cut through metal armour (ton or two? /shrugs), can swing a large steel ball around (3 tons), can push around huge blocks (in the hundred ton range), can throw the iron ball do destroy steel and large volumes of ice (multi ton), can knock around 3 story tall Ice masses (in the hundred tons)..

Thats 16 feats putting him in the superhuman range. 8 of those above 10 tons, 2 above 100 tons. If these are his 'high feats', tell me all about his mid feats and low feats.


Also, if Im a TP fanboy for only debating their side.. does that make you a Harry Potter, True Blood, Troy, Mortal Kombat, LoK and Castlevania fanboy? o.O
Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles beats skilled humans. He destroys highly skilled opponents to the point no one can even beat him in combat or come close. Link mainly fights slobs, henchmen, or monsters all lacking skill. His skill levels are rammed through the game to be important and also fall perfectly into my he doesn't have superhuman strength that his opponents can't hope to fight against theory.

We don't see Link use anywhere near the skill Achilles consistently demonstrates in the movie against skilled/organized opponents. That's another criticism of Zelda games. These monsters are dumb/unorganized/fools who show up a few at a time and don't really show any military intelligence of any kind. Just like this magic/these forces can take over shitbag Hyrule. One of the weakest fictional locations I can recall off the top of my head.
I remember him beating one skilled human, and some soldiers. Is that literally everything on the skill topic? Achilles beat one or two skilled humans in one to two-on-one for the scenes I remember Vs Link beating gangs of monsters, some who wield swords and come in groups of five-on-one or more.. and that makes his skill no-where near Achilles' level? O-o

And on that skill thing? Darknuts; "Their sword skills are quite accomplished." Strong, durable, skilled and with pretty fast attacks. And Link can take on four at once :T


And okay, we get it, you're anti LoZ.. no one will accuse you otherwise O-o

Originally posted by BloodRain
Boots help him stop Gorons, not lift or throw them.

The Boots make him heavier so his lighter frame doesn't get knocked back, its basic physics and doesnt mean anything against or for the strength needed to survive, lift and throw Gorons. Spin it anyway you like without the boots he can't do a thing to the Gorons. Russell didn't need an anchor to stop a moving car. Bo also beat the Gorons.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I have already explained myself multiple times. You copying and pasting yourself isn't debating.

You've not once answered my question, you're the one not debating. Poor little Quan's scared of a one word answer.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If its so obvious then be so kind as to tell me how 'instincts' will stop a shockwave coming towards him?

So youre admitting that it has nothing to do with awareness and is only to do with his violent nature? Cool.

2+ at a time = what Link does against monsters on a regular basis. And point at a video and yelling 'there!' doesnt help in a comparison to their awarenesses.

Oh wow you seriously back on that point after skipping on your response to when Midna ever helps a sword drawn Link in combat?He would attack before Link did. Link's inactivity is what made him susceptible.

No, it has to do with awareness and being aggressive. Quit trying to make everything black and white life is grey.

Link isn't in any war type situations with organized troops he's fighting dumb henchmen very loosely organized if at all. That's the point.


Midna helps him in various other ways. Without her aid he can't even knock the Beast Ganon on his ass. That's just one example.
You usually disappear for days to lick your wounds.

Being shy around girls, being defeated by Zant without even putting up a defense and just standing there, etc.

You act first. You are proactive not reactive. It's battle you don't stand there and let your enemy do something first while acting like a numbnuts.
I said he is superhumanly strong. So is Achilles. Link isn't immune or durable to the point he can't be harmed by swords. Nor does he blow swordsmen over with his strength in the manner you zelda fanboys frequently beat your chests over.
All what Bo can do. This isn't how things occur in fiction. I will post what I more or less adhere to in comics as a general outline as opposed to feats in a separate post since it's mammoth.
It's how he interacts with his peers not his fanboy calculated feats.

No, since I debate based on objectivity whereas most zelda fans ignore certain pieces while accepting highest feats only and ignoring everything else which doesn't fit into their Link centered universe.

Achilles is constantly beating a succession of soldiers while commanding a boat of men to overtake the beach. We see leadership and tactics employed not some kid with little experience and a weirdo girl's help. Entirely different universes. Zelda is kiddie whereas troy is manly.

The monsters aren't organized and lack skill. I had a Dorf sig so I am not anti LOZ.