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A judged debate with myself representing the Harry Potter series characters (movies only) versus the Twilight Princess(the complete roster) in an all out war type scenario. This will be a what's in character kind of debate not a power set type of debate.

Wizards stomp.

/watches Ganondorf cover Hogwarts in Twilight/

Never really looked at these before, how does a Battlezone go?

He wants you to go to the comic versus forum where he'll set up a thread where only the two of you are allowed to debate, and people outside the thread will state who they agree with.

So, remember all those people who stopped in to call Quan on being wrong in the other threads, who he didn't listen to? They'll do the same thing, and he still won't listen. haermm

Also, yeah, Ganondorf soloes. Effortlessly.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He wants you to go to the comic versus forum where he'll set up a thread where only the two of you are allowed to debate, and people outside the thread will state who they agree with.

So, remember all those people who stopped in to call Quan on being wrong in the other threads, who he didn't listen to? They'll do the same thing, and he still won't listen. haermm

Also, yeah, Ganondorf soloes. Effortlessly. This is a judged debate. That means posters we both agree decide the outcome. If you are so confident Dorf solos then accept you coward. I'd love to get a troll like you alone and have you accountable.

Are you interested blood rain ? Paste for all his bluster won't ever put himself on the line.

Quan, nobody is stupid enough to waste their time trying to make you see any sense.

This might actually be fun if I were at all familiar with Twilight Princess. Maybe someday after I've had a chance to play I might accept if the option is still available.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, nobody is stupid enough to waste their time trying to make you see any sense. There is accountability here in this challenge. It shows how many cowards there are. I walk the walk while most just talk the talk.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
This might actually be fun if I were at all familiar with Twilight Princess. Maybe someday after I've had a chance to play I might accept if the option is still available. I want to have it in a few months probably spring time. I just want to set up an opponent and once that is done we can iron out the details of the specifics.

Quan, try and twist my words how you want, you are a thickheaded numbskull with very little debating skill. That is what I was attempting to get across.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, try and twist my words how you want, you are a thickheaded numbskull with very little debating skill. That is what I was attempting to get across. Then debate against me, coward. You just talk but won't ever man up and face me in a judged debate. Just go sit in the corner.

Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, nobody is stupid enough to waste their time trying to make you see any sense. Originally posted by Pwned
Quan, try and twist my words how you want, you are a thickheaded numbskull with very little debating skill. That is what I was attempting to get across.

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Originally posted by Robtard
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/marionscott3/right-on-the-nose.gif It is true. Whenever you say coward three times you do appear.

Little girl's upset again that no one's falling for his trolling trap. You need a new angle, everyone's figured you out already.

Originally posted by Robtard
Little girl's upset again that no one's falling for his trolling trap. You need a new angle, everyone's figured you out already. So to challenge people to a judged debate on a board where people debate is such a trap. You are so onto me. I have finally been exposed after all these years.

The fight would be unfair to begin with. There are several acomplished wizards who have amazing feats, while the only heavy hitters for zelda are ganondorf, link, midna, and maybe the heros shade...maybe. if it were a three on three or something I would put up my dukes. But as is, no one is that stupid

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The fight would be unfair to begin with. There are several acomplished wizards who have amazing feats, while the only heavy hitters for zelda are ganondorf, link, midna, and maybe the heros shade...maybe. if it were a three on three or something I would put up my dukes. But as is, no one is that stupid Except that the wizard spells aren't potent enough to affect anyone you listed short of maybe Midna. haermm Are they going to do? Slap superhumans to death?

The killing curse isn't just a blast of magic. It goes into your being, finds your soul, and snuffs it out. Link might take a few more hits considering he could potentially be carrying poe souls, but ganondorf and midna would go down from a direct hit. Not to mention they have the sword of Gryffindor. Goblin silver absorbs anything thar would make it stronger, like ToP lightning, twilight magic, or even sone poisons snape can conjure. There is also the fact that several of them are mind readers and can perform mental attacks.

Maybe if they didn't have the numbers, but with an army of lethal wizards. No chance.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The killing curse isn't just a blast of magic. It goes into your being, finds your soul, and snuffs it out.

Utter bull shit. It's never been stated how the killing curse actually kills but it certainly does not snuff out souls.

Oh, that's why several characters killed with it reappear in the series as spirits later, right?

Link is protected by an artifact capable of countering the power of the completed triforce, a spell that can be stopped if your mom loves you is not going to hurt him, no matter how many times it's fired.

Ganondorf has massive magic resistance, it takes planetary level magic in the form of the Master Sword to put him down, avada kedavra lacks any kind of feat to put it on a level where it could make him blink. He utterly no sells the HPverse's best shots by feats.

Worthless against any of the characters mentioned. No limits fallacy. It's never absorbed anything approaching the level of magic it takes to turn off the sun, or overlap an entire country with another dimension, or disintegrate a 6x6x4 stone block.


This would potentially work on Midna, both Ganondorf and Link are beyond the scope of being affected by said spells due to their protection from the ToP and the Master Sword/ToC respectively.

The numbers don't mean a thing if none of them can even effect Ganondorf, who with a single twilight field reduces every wizard on the field to a helpless soul who cannot even fight back.

Guys, this isn't to be debated here. I can create a thread if no Zelda fan can find the courage to actually face me.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh, that's why several characters killed with it reappear in the series as spirits later, right?

Link is protected by an artifact capable of countering the power of the completed triforce, a spell that can be stopped if your mom loves you is not going to hurt him, no matter how many times it's fired.

Ganondorf has massive magic resistance, it takes planetary level magic in the form of the Master Sword to put him down, avada kedavra lacks any kind of feat to put it on a level where it could make him blink. He utterly no sells the HPverse's best shots by feats.

Worthless against any of the characters mentioned. No limits fallacy. It's never absorbed anything approaching the level of magic it takes to turn off the sun, or overlap an entire country with another dimension, or disintegrate a 6x6x4 stone block.


This would potentially work on Midna, both Ganondorf and Link are beyond the scope of being affected by said spells due to their protection from the ToP and the Master Sword/ToC respectively.

The numbers don't mean a thing if none of them can even effect Ganondorf, who with a single twilight field reduces every wizard on the field to a helpless soul who cannot even fight back.
A. The whole scene inside harry's head in the 8th movie basically said the reason harry survived thst spell was having a bit of baby tom soul gave gim the choice on which soul woul pass on. The fused shadow, ToP, or master sword would be able to block it if they went for a dead man's volley, but if their timing was off or they get from the back qhile a wizard distracts them, they would go down.
B. Love charm needs a sacrifice of pure love, untainted by lust or selfish desire. Considering all three of the heavy hitters are orphans, no love charm.
C. The goblin silver is stated to take in anything that would make it more powerful. I see no reason why that wouldn't work here.
D. Don't give me that. The light spirit made link so high with his mental thing, you would need a longshot to reach him(hehe zelda humor), and ganondorf did get a visit from zant when he died. They have shown nothing to suggest that they could tank any form of mental attack/mind control.

Any one of those three could easily take three or four wizards, but the movies have to many capable fighters for them.

So Harry died, and Tom's soul left instead of his own, leaving him alive by technicality, this is not the same as a soul attack.


Negatory. I'm actually not sure what would happen if they attacked Midna's fused shadows form, to be honest, it only shows up rarely, but is very powerful when it does, as for the MS/Triforce pieces...

The sword has been shown to dispel and protect Link from curses and magical affects even if he's not touching it, he could take direct hits from the killing curse and no wizard has the power to overcome the MS' protection.

The ToC is honestly in the same boat, he's carrying not one, but two artifacts that protect him.

Ganondorf has the ToP, which makes him functionally immortal. The only way that's been shown to ever put him down has been a level of magic beyond anything in the HPverse. The master sword is a magical artefact with planetary level magic, that can directly counter the power of the completed triforce, that's the kind of power it takes to bring Ganondorf down, the Potterverse simply lacks it.

My point is that even in universe the love charm is noted as being simple by Voldemort himself, and that the level of protection it gives doesn't match the resistance given by carrying a piece of the triforce.


Within the confines of the HPverse to which it is native. So maybe in the HPverse, but not things outside of it that are beyond the level that the silver has shown. Why should goblin silver be able to stand up to the kind of magic it takes to levitate an entire, massive castle? Or shatter an island? Let alone absorb it.
Being shown a vision is not a mental attack, haermm

Zant's appearance isn't a mental attack, either. Now I bring up the master sword again, and then tell you that Ganondorf has his own mental attacks such as possession, and can also read minds as shown in WW, and alluded to in TP, and that he is far and away more powerful than anyone who would try to assault him.

You have not responded to this:


Ganon can do this with a thought. He destroys the wizards by himself.

The master sword isn't on a planetary level. Once it is removed from the pedestal it is nothing more than a sharp blade, unless two or more beings pray to it. You could argue that zelda may have fulfilled this function, but she is out of play by the time you get to it and no other character seems to be in a prayin mood.

Ganondorf has a soul and is capable of death. If he doesn't make a conscious action to deflect the killing curse, he will go down. The only attack he ever tanked in TP was a spirit sword. For all we know, he could be a glass canon.

The only mental attack he was capable of was taking over zelda, who already took herself out of commission earlier. Link was clearly trying to resist the snakes vision at first. Ganondorf MAY put up a small fight against mental attacks, but no one else can.

As for the twilight. Light spirits are capable of dispelling it. And what are light spirits but big patronuses. Shouldn't be a problem.

Wrong.

It's a direct failsafe for the power of the completed triforce. While depowered it was still strong enough to hold all of Hyrule, possibly the entire world in a perpetual time stop. So, yeah.


And he's protected by the Triforce of Power which makes him immune to dying. Sword through the chest? No big deal. Aveda Kadavra kills your body, you can't kill his body with something as powerful or less powerful than the fused shadows, and it doesn't affect him if you do.

No limit fallacy. You need to prove this curse is capable of harming him at all.

Because the fused shadows hitting him so hard his castle exploded never happened?



What did she separate herself from that left her weakened? The triforce of wisdom. Just sayin'.



Oh, you mean the regional quasi-dieties? Not at all comparable to patronuses.

Zant could defeat them with a thought using only a fraction of Ganon's own power. Ganondorf will be actively present during this fight, so lol.

You know, in the original zelda you beat ganon without the master sword or the triforce. He isn't indestructible. The killing curse doesn't cause blunt force trauma or any sort of heart stopping electrical power. It is stated to attack your soul, regardless of physical endurance.

The master sword is only PART of the failsafe, along with the temple of time, ocarina of time, and pedestal of time which acted as a gateway to the sacred realm. You know that place with enough power to contain the entire triforce. As soon as link took it out, it lost all it's planetary powers. Also hyrule is a COUNTRY not a planet. You're over estimating the zelda team. Could any one of them take any wizard? Sure. Can thet take the hogwarts staff, dumbeldore's army, order of the phoenix, deatheaters, voldemort, harry, hermoine, and dumbeldore WITH elder wand? Not likely.

In 1986?
You have the ToW assembled when you fight him and the magic sword pretty much is the master sword, kind of like the silver arrows have been replaced by the light arrows.

No, it isn't, get me a quote that proves that it is because what you've cited so far does not say that.

The curse is not even approaching the power that has been used on Ganon before, ergo, it cannot effect him.



Neg. The master sword IS the fail safe against the triforce being attained and abused, not against it being gotten in the first place.
Then how come it can still counter the power of the triforce?

Because the master sword par with it in power. This is not hard.


I never said otherwise, read what I typed over again, kthnx.

At least all of Hyrule was frozen, but you can see, the timestop goes to the horizon at least, and it's not just Hyrule that was flooded, the entire world was. This is while the sword was weakened. haermm

With ease. You're not getting what I'm saying.

The HPverse wizards do not have the necessary raw power to overcome the resistances of either Link or Ganon. Provide a feat that shows they have the power to effect someone protected by the kind of shit that they are.

Ganon can literally one shot the entire cast of the HPverse with a thought.

Midna could destroy hogwarts, and it's doubtful their spells can even effect her Fused Shadows form.

Link could wade through their fire, protected by his sword and cut each and every one of them down without breaking a sweat.

It'd be in interesting match if Dorf was just able to bring down Twilight, and I don't think anyone here has soul resistance feats.

Interesting mainly due to numbers. We can all agree that the HP verse are all mid level threats in the LoZ verse. The only treats are a few spells from teacher+ level wizards, dementors and a handful of monsters.. the main threat is not their quality but their quantity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you interested blood rain ? Paste for all his bluster won't ever put himself on the line.
In a few months?.. aren't we already debating HPs strongest wizard against TPs strongest wizard? The victor of that would spell victory for their respected verse.

Originally posted by BloodRain



In a few months?.. aren't we already debating HPs strongest wizard against TPs strongest wizard? The victor of that would spell victory for their respected verse. I won't have the time to dedicate unless it was not the next week but the following week thereafter. I will have free time from Monday through Thursday to do this.

This battlezone won't be about Potter characters going back in time, freezing everyone in their tracks, or using twilight magic. This is going to be about an invasion. It's not the type of thread where one mega weapon or spell, etc. will be argued to win the entire thread.

Each side can teams up both good and bad foes against each other in an army versus an army thread. That is the spirit of the thread.

So you will have Zelda, the sages, Zant, Ganondorf, etc. in a concerted effort to stop Voldemort, Albus Dumbledore, Severus Snape, Harry Potter, etc. from conquering the other.

Again, the HPverse has way more accomplished fighters than Zelda. Only four or five people from twilight could do anything... unless they get bosses?

Zelda only needs one. haermm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zelda only needs one. haermm
IF!!! the killing curse doesn't work on G. I'm still not entirely convinced.

It simply lacks to the feats to do so. /Shrug.

In the book it states that it has no effect on the persons body and goes right for the soul. I know this is movie version, but dumbledore suggests the same thing in the 8th movie. Ganondorf's physical resistance may not be an issue.

Cite that, I've read the books myself, and cannot recall it, I can recall the spirits of people killed with it showing up later on.

I'm not talking about Ganon's physical resistance either, though that may well be enough as the curse has shown to blockable, and has even failed to damage an animate statue.

Ganondorf's magic resistance combined with his immortality is the real nail in the coffin, though. He was attacked by the Fused Shadows and it did nothing to him, and he simply can't be killed unless the Triforce of Power can be overcome. The killing curse cannot overcome the Triforce of Power without a good enough feat.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
In the book it states that it has no effect on the persons body and goes right for the soul.

There is no mention ever of the Killing Curse effecting the soul. However, it does say it causes no physical damage but that's it. Nothing of the soul is ever mentioned.

Its more implied than actually stated. Horcruxes protect your soul, prior incantantum (butchered that spelling) undoes the last spell by the caster and brought the souls back, not the bodies, harry survived being shot not because of the love charm, but because he had an extra soul, the curse didn't kill the animated statue, which didn't have a soul. Obviously this spell effects something spiritual rather than physical.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zelda only needs one. haermm Did Dorf solo Hyrule himself ?


You're unbelievably stupid.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Its more implied than actually stated. Horcruxes protect your soul, prior incantantum (butchered that spelling) undoes the last spell by the caster and brought the souls back, not the bodies,

That doesn't mean much TBH.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
harry survived being shot not because of the love charm, but because he had an extra soul,

He survived because Lily's protection flowed through Voldemort's veins. In effect, Voldemort was serving as a pseudo-horcrux for Harry. Dumbledore describes this in the book.

One could also argue that, since Voldemort was using the Elder Wand, it could not harm Harry. But the two souls is pure speculation.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
the curse didn't kill the animated statue, which didn't have a soul.

First, it's not alive so it can't be killed. And secondly the spell did blow it apart.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Obviously this spell effects something spiritual rather than physical.

No, that's a theory. Not a fact.

... the images made observation, gave directions, and acknowledged actions they should do. They had intelligence. I'm gonna go with souls.
Also the resurrection stone resurects stuff. Even if they weren't really there the soul must hve been involved.

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The other arguments were pretty valid, but the PI (nor spelling that again) undid the last spell he did. Those "images" are souls. No getting around that.

Ok, but that doesn't mean anything. The fact that they are souls doesn't mean his wand ripped their souls out. It's merely bring them back, albeit temporarily, in what is presumably the only way it can.

It undoes the last spell. If PI brings souls back, then AvK takes souls away. Deductive reasoning and all that.

No. That's not what it does. It reveals the last spell not undoes it. Anyway, the AK certainly does not take away souls after all Voldemort's soul was not taken away.

What do you mean his soul wasn't taken away, that's kinda what happens when you die.

I mean His soul was still wandering the Earth.

Yeah, because he just made the horcruxes for kicks and giggles. Wasn't that kinda the point

Sure, it was to make immortal. Regardless you claimed AK takes away souls. I showed you that's not what it does.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
What do you mean his soul wasn't taken away, that's kinda what happens when you die. This doesn't necessarily make it a soul attack.

shrug

Originally posted by ares834
Sure, it was to make immortal. Regardless you claimed AK takes away souls. I showed you that's not what it does.
In every other case of AK, the victim is left with a perfectly healthy corpse (minus the whole being dead bit), but in the love sheild instance his body was destroyed. Obviously something went askew.

Perhaps. But you still haven't proven that AK takes souls.

I feel like I gave enough evidence for it to be a strong possibility. You haven't necessarily proved that it doesn't.

Zelda fans don't think they have to prove anything. They just say magical resistance and thinks that cuts it for Dorf.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I feel like I gave enough evidence for it to be a strong possibility. You haven't necessarily proved that it doesn't.

One does not need to prove a negative.

Nor have I claimed it does not attack the soul.

No, ganondorf has enough resistance to probably tank one or two if he braced himself. I'm saying since the effect is usually instant, that a lucky shot he wasn't prepared for could take him down.

You could at least give another option. From what I've seen, the only explanation is that it attacks the soul.

It's magic. It could quit simply just kill. Or,if you want an explanation, it could destroy some ones life force or stop all brain activity.

But the brain was completely healthy. And if it stopped working, your heart would beating and your lungs would keep breathing.

Stopping all breain activy with agic wouldn't require any damage to the brain. After all, MAGIC!

And the lungs would stop if there was absolutely no brain activity not merely the higher functions.

You know there was this one kid born without a brain. I lived for two years without one before he died.

According to wiki they still have a brain stem.... Thus they would still have brain activity.

Anyway, I was thinking more about the AK and realized something. Merely separating the soul from the body does not kill in the HPverse as seen with the Dementar's kiss.

That's because the soul doesn't pass on. The ring wraithes eats it.

How is that relevant? My point is a body can survive without a soul. Clearly then something else is going on with the killing curse.

That doesn't effect the body. It leaves a perfectly healthy corpse.

Ok... But you're still missing the point merely separating the soul from the body does not kill. Meaning something else must be happening.

I'm just pointing out whatever that is can't damage the body.

You mean like when it blasted Dumbledore into the air?

Nothing suggests that it's a soul attack. shrug And even if it were it wouldn't be relevant here. mmm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You mean like when it blasted Dumbledore into the air?

Nothing suggests that it's a soul attack. shrug And even if it were it wouldn't be relevant here. mmm It still didn't damage his body. Insta kill. Bye bye Dorf. Bellatrix could kill dorf with one avada kedavra.

Good luck ever proving that.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Good luck ever proving that. You need to prove it won't work since his durability doesn't come into play. The rules don't change for your ginger king.

It's already been done, boyo. Provide a feat of magical power sufficient to overcome the ToP.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's already been done, boyo. Provide a feat of magical power sufficient to overcome the ToP. That isn't necessary. This takes his life just like what happened to him in his own game. Dorf isn't immune to death in his own games.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't necessary. This takes his life just like what happened to him in his own game. Dorf isn't immune to death in his own games.
1. It's not ever said Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess.
2. Even if he did, it was because the Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, overcame the Triforce of Power. Without overcoming it's protection Ganondorf cannot die.

Prove a wizard can overcome the ToP or gtfo, it's simple.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. It's not ever said Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess.
2. Even if he did, it was because the Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, overcame the Triforce of Power. Without overcoming it's protection Ganondorf cannot die.

Prove a wizard can overcome the ToP or gtfo, it's simple. 1. So now you disagree that he dies.
2.False. The master sword gives you no advantage over any other mere sword fighter in the game. You need skill. The master sword an unimpressive/no advantage sword killed Dorf. LOL.

You need to prove the spell doesn't work on Dorf.

I already did, he's protected by the ToP.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. It's not ever said Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess.
2. Even if he did, it was because the Master Sword, a planetary level artifact, overcame the Triforce of Power. Without overcoming it's protection Ganondorf cannot die.

Prove a wizard can overcome the ToP or gtfo, it's simple.

Ganon can only be killed by the Master Sword, he solos

Originally posted by Mihsnme
Ganon can only be killed by the Master Sword, he solos That's only what can kill him in Hyrule. It's assuming no other power in any other fictional universe can hurt him which doesn't even exist in his own universe. It's asinine. By this logic a galaxy destroying attack can't kill him. LOL.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I already did, he's protected by the ToP. Repeating yourself isn't debating. If you can't counter my response to this you concede.

We already have established you have no balls and won't face me in a battlezone.

The HPverse doesn't have anything in it as powerful as The Master Sword.

I'm not repeating myself, I'm reminding you no one in the HPverse has the power to overcome the ToP, ergo, they cannot kill Ganondorf.

As for your little 'battlezone' I have no reason to waste the time, honestly. You're pretty much the laughing stock of KMC, and I don't have anything to prove.

That might be why I don't talk about balls in posts about fictional characters.

Isnt the fact that people souls survive after the AK curse (like SP said) mean that it doesn't damage the soul?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This battlezone won't be about Potter characters going back in time, freezing everyone in their tracks, or using twilight magic. This is going to be about an invasion. It's not the type of thread where one mega weapon or spell, etc. will be argued to win the entire thread.

Each side can teams up both good and bad foes against each other in an army versus an army thread. That is the spirit of the thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did Dorf solo Hyrule himself ?

Well in TP he solod all of Hyrule sans his side, Link and Zelda when he dropped Twilight. And he'd probably do the same thing here being the dick he is.


HPs chances of winning peaks if..:
-Ganondorf, Zant and Midna aren't able to drop Twilight here
-That they are Low superhuman due to your portrayal argument, not the superhuman feats they have in-game
-That the LoZ lore and past is ignored
-HP spells are able to harm stronger TP characters despite durability
-That the AK curse is taken as a no-limits, and that it cant be blocked though the book says it can

With these limitations on the LoZ side, the HP verse will have a great advantage from that and being backed up from their higher number of mid-tier characters. Probably end up even with the strong creatures in TP.

Even if he gimped the shit out of Ganon and Link by just excluding them from the thread, the Gorons would still roll over the Wizards.

Im personally going to vote for the Shadow Beasts. Tons of them, fast, able to one-shot armed soldiers and according to Barnes they're unphased by his bombs.

Originally posted by Mihsnme
Ganon can only be killed by the Master Sword, he solos
OBJECTION!!! In the original LoZ, link killed ganon with silver arrows and the magic sword, NOT the master sword. And there is no way the magic swird could be the master sword. It comes after a Link to the Past on the timeline. Hyrule historia states that it was never used again on that branch.

I am giving zelda fans 24 hours to come to the plate before I scratch this idea. If no one comes forward then I personally own the Zelda fans forever.

You're adorable.

I'll tell you what, Quan. I'll accept your little battlezone challenge. But there are conditions.

1. We do it in April.
2. I want a second battlezone with you to run simultaneously.

If I made any battlezone challenge and Quan didn't accept, would that mean I 'own' him forever? mmm

Originally posted by BloodRain
If I made any battlezone challenge and Quan didn't accept, would that mean I 'own' him forever? mmm

Apparently that's the laws of physics at work.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Even if he gimped the shit out of Ganon and Link by just excluding them from the thread, the Gorons would still roll over the Wizards. The Giants from the final film would roll them over like yesterday's business.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Isnt the fact that people souls survive after the AK curse (like SP said) mean that it doesn't damage the soul?




Well in TP he solod all of Hyrule sans his side, Link and Zelda when he dropped Twilight. And he'd probably do the same thing here being the dick he is.


HPs chances of winning peaks if..:
-Ganondorf, Zant and Midna aren't able to drop Twilight here
-That they are Low superhuman due to your portrayal argument, not the superhuman feats they have in-game
-That the LoZ lore and past is ignored
-HP spells are able to harm stronger TP characters despite durability
-That the AK curse is taken as a no-limits, and that it cant be blocked though the book says it can

With these limitations on the LoZ side, the HP verse will have a great advantage from that and being backed up from their higher number of mid-tier characters. Probably end up even with the strong creatures in TP. Hyrule isn't well organized and the display from the troops we see is cowardice. They don't seem to have an impressive military by any sense of the word.

1. Where's the fun in arguing one tactic wins the thread ? It's like me saying they go back in time or something which defeats the purpose of the thread itself imo.

2. We see many instances of things affecting them far weaker than Potter magic.

3. I am including what occurred in this game alone. According to you that's enough and Dorf has Zant and his twili army.

4. Avada Kedavra doesn't affect durability.

5. All they have to do is dodge it.

I won't argue all the wizards are throwing around avada kedavras the entire time. I will argue how they typically fought in the films. I won't just powerset it up in a debate. I will remain consistent in how I debate.Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're adorable. How did you find out I was handsome ?

April 21 is my bday. Depends when.

What other battlezone ?

Do you realize how much work one consists of ?

Anytime in April. And no idea, I've never done one before. But I'm bored, and publicly humiliating you gets me hard. How are judges decided normally?

The second battlezone would be Russell Edgington, your golden boy, against a pegasus named Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

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This is her.

this guy

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Anytime in April. And no idea, I've never done one before. But I'm bored, and publicly humiliating you gets me hard. How are judges decided normally?

The second battlezone would be Russell Edgington, your golden boy, against a pegasus named Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/_c979525_image_0.png

This is her. We'd make a thread and people usually come forward and we have the right to refuse anyone we don't approve of.

I have no idea about this horrible show you have some sick fetish for but I really don't have the time to waste watching it just for you.

Make a serious attempt at another one with a character I am familiar with.Originally posted by NemeBro
this guy He came onto me. Can you believe that ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
We'd make a thread and people usually come forward and we have the right to refuse anyone we don't approve of.

I have no idea about this horrible show you have some sick fetish for but I really don't have the time to waste watching it just for you.

Make a serious attempt at another one with a character I am familiar with. He came onto me. Can you believe that ? I'll provide all the feats you need with relevant videos and context. Literally everything about her is uploaded on Youtube somewhere.

These are my terms. If you expect me to give you my attention, you have to earn it. Or you can just back down. Are you seriously afraid Edgington loses to a rainbow coloured pony?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyrule isn't well organized and the display from the troops we see is cowardice. They don't seem to have an impressive military by any sense of the word.

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I won't argue all the wizards are throwing around avada kedavras the entire time. I will argue how they typically fought in the films. I won't just powerset it up in a debate. I will remain consistent in how I debate

Normally they're aren't seeing as they were readily charging to attack Shadow Beasts. The ones Link meets have already been mentally/spiritually defeated.
And I agree, its reason I don't stand on that point alone in threads. But even when I debate against Dorf I mention putting that ability aside, its a boring yet winning tactic.

Only offensive spells I can think of are ones that at full power knocks out humans/bring pain to them (human durability), ones that make small explosions (strong mooks can tank bomb explosions) and making decent sized fire attacks. More hax than actual power and only youre portrayal of them makes these attacks far stronger than LoZ things, which was my point.

"I am" Yes, you are. Youre ignoring canon lore which openly gimps LoZ. Even if they win the fact is youre limiting things for no reason. Wasnt talking about AK exclusivly, talking about that and the offensive spells above. And you dodged the blocking thing.


To sum up youre gimping LoZ by ignoring its lore and using your personal portrayals while strengthening HP by ignoring things in the book.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'll provide all the feats you need with relevant videos and context. Literally everything about her is uploaded on Youtube somewhere.

These are my terms. If you expect me to give you my attention, you have to earn it. Or you can just back down. Are you seriously afraid Edgington loses to a rainbow coloured pony? I'd have to watch the series. I don't debate by feats alone. You should know that by now. If you best me in this battlezone I will watch this shitty series and take you on after the fact. If you are so confident then you have no choice but to accept.

Then watch the series, you have all of March.

You have my terms. Accept both or back down.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Normally they're aren't seeing as they were readily charging to attack Shadow Beasts. The ones Link meets have already been mentally/spiritually defeated.
And I agree, its reason I don't stand on that point alone in threads. But even when I debate against Dorf I mention putting that ability aside, its a boring yet winning tactic.

Only offensive spells I can think of are ones that at full power knocks out humans/bring pain to them (human durability), ones that make small explosions (strong mooks can tank bomb explosions) and making decent sized fire attacks. More hax than actual power and only youre portrayal of them makes these attacks far stronger than LoZ things, which was my point.

"I am" Yes, you are. Youre ignoring canon lore which openly gimps LoZ. Even if they win the fact is youre limiting things for no reason. Wasnt talking about AK exclusivly, talking about that and the offensive spells above. And you dodged the blocking thing.


To sum up youre gimping LoZ by ignoring its lore and using your personal portrayals while strengthening HP by ignoring things in the book. We see the takeover. It happens in moments. We see how small Hyrule is. We don't see an impressive military from Hyrule at all so why act like there is. We see one guy with help and that bring down the bad guy. He didn't even need a faction. No. Dorf can't win no matter what he does. They also put charms and all manner of protections keeping shit out so acting like what worked on Hyrule would work here is stupid and fanboyish.

The Potterverse can time travel, freeze opponents in their tracks, mind control them, transmute them, etc. I toned down the Potterverse bigtime. I argue what's in character for both sides. If anything I am more fair than anyone here.

So fiendfyre can only damage humans ? So Dumbledore's fire attack against to save Harry's life can only hurt humans ? Voldemort's attack blast into the massive shield demonstrated how powerful he is. We also see wizards take down Giants, enslave a world with dragons, easily toy with Centaurs, etc.

Dear lord did you watch the films ? You act like it's just human against human here. You are either a liar or displaying ignorance rivaling even the guy who eats paste.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then watch the series, you have all of March.

You have my terms. Accept both or back down. You have my terms. I am not committing to My Little Pony, sissy. You beat me and then I face your pony. You are lucky I am entertaining such a ridiculous idea.

You're backing down, then. Okay.

If you don't wanna watch the seriers, have you ever heard about screwattack's deathbattles? They do a pretty good job representing the pony.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If you don't wanna watch the seriers, have you ever heard about screwattack's deathbattles? They do a pretty good job representing the pony. Besides which point I'm entirely willing to go through youtube and post every relevant video, saving him hours of watching MLP.

If he really DOES need to watch the entire series (Fledgling brony, perhaps? he has all of March to do so anyway. There's no reason for him to back down other than not wanting Edginton to lose to a rainbow coloured pony.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're backing down, then. Okay. No, you can't accept my challenge and then say you have to accept a challenge about a character you have no knowledge of or interest in. You already posted and are familiar here. It's completely different. You backed down. Coward.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you can't accept my challenge and then say you have to accept a challenge about a character you have no knowledge of or interest in.

Yes, I can, and did.

I will post all of the information you need. If you want to do a battlezone, you have to do two. It's simple. Accept, or back down.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Point: We see them not being cowards before they were overthrown, princess kidnapped and had the world dropped into Twilight (mentally and spiritually defeated = cowards). What charms protect their souls and who has them, and will they be active before Dorf/Zant/Midna snaps their fingers?

HP actually cant do jack by time travelling as it works on a singular timeline, they follow the "Nothing can be changed because anything a traveller does merely produces the circumstances they had noted before travelling" rule. Its the reason why Harry saved himself before using the Time Turner. So they couldnt go back to and wreck havoc as the LoZ are standing right there, un-wrecked. A select few can do that freeze magic, and we've only seen it work on tiny faries. And even less can use the mind control.
How did you tone them down? And whats the point in toning down either side?

The brackets were by the pain/KO spells, not they fire.. Giants can't use magic and are large treats, same with Centaurs, and your basic dragon is beaten by good students that are nothing notable. Show me Tom's blast?

Lol Screampaste just do the battlezone. Trying to get him to watch MLP first is stupid. There is a difference between humiliating him in a battlezone and trying to impose your stupid fandom on him. uhuh

He doesn't need to watch it if he doesn't want to, the judges certainly aren't going to.

If he's going to talk big, he can act big. Two battlezones.

Quan does nothing but talk big. But really I just don't want to see you picking on him. I mean he tries his best to pick at you but he fails so spectacularly that I can't count it. You doing the reverse seems harsher.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Lol Screampaste just do the battlezone. Trying to get him to watch MLP first is stupid. There is a difference between humiliating him in a battlezone and trying to impose your stupid fandom on him. uhuh

Shin's stated multiple times that quan wouldn't need to look at the series, he'd be providing feats and evidence. It's quan who feels he has to see something for himself (which Shin would be more than willing to do) and not relying solely on feats. He's forcing it on himself. That's quan for you.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Shin's stated multiple times that quan wouldn't need to look at the series, he'd be providing feats and evidence. It's quan who feels he has to see something for himself (which Shin would be more than willing to do) and not relying solely on feats. He's forcing it on himself. That's quan for you.

Scream(**** the name Shin, I renounce it) also knows enough about Quan to know he never argues something he is unfamiliar with, meaning that he knew all along it would come to this.

They're bartering. quan made his opening offer, Shin (**** Scream, I've known the guy longer than that) made a counter offer, which quan was showing interest in until he shot himself in the nerts. 131

Quan's used it as a cop out any time he wants to avoid feats, lore, or information that contradicts him. That won't affect the Rainbow Dash battlezone, as she'll have access to all three seasons of FiM's feats regardless of who makes the thread, and I'll supply them all for the judges' perusal.

It's also worth noting a battlezone is a judged debate, and the judges don't sit through entire seasons of shows to sit on them, so it makes no difference whether Quan does.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
They're bartering. quan made his opening offer, Shin (**** Scream, I've known the guy longer than that) made a counter offer, which quan was showing interest in until he shot himself in the nerts. 131

Pretty much this, I'm not just going to cave in to demands, if he wants me to put it in, there's gotta be foreplay.

The great part is he was insinuating I was 'scared' or something, and now that I'm accepting, he looks like he's backing down.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm also aware that it is just not in Quan to argue something he hasn't seen. It's a handicap if you will. Quan deserves to be humiliated on his own terms since he won't bother otherwise.

"But Aura, you devilishly handsome rogue" you might say. "I'm merely seeking to help Quan overcome said handicap. Surely you will not fault a man for that, however drunk he might be at the time."

Indeed there is some value to trying to help the young lad overcome the limits he places on himself. For that you are most admirable. However I contend that a vet prefers not to operate until everything is in place. Quan is not yet ready to overcome that yet. On his own terms, humble him. Make him realize you have something to teach.

"Ah but Aura, certainly I've already done so in countless debates with him already. His stubbornness to humble himself like so many fine gents before calls for the more drastic measure."

To others you have proven it but to him that does not appear to be the case. Now were it up to me I'd put the old dog out on the street, tied to a lamppost and be on my merry way, ignoring his barks of indignation as I leave. But since that is not what you plan to do I must ascertain that whatever you do will be effective. I give this advice for you ol' chap, not the mangy cur. Wasted action is most unbecoming to my eyes.

"Perhaps instead of assisting the lad in overcoming his handicap is indeed too much of a daunting task if I must concede a bit of my patience. I may just continue on this path to further beat the mongrel. It is quite pleasing to the audience you see. I do this for them. And I shan't lie, I enjoy it myself."

Ah dear friend I see your point. It does seem to amuse those who watch to see the poor dog's suffering but that is entirely the point. A dog who has been abused so long has lost his senses and the abuse is less funny because it has grown rather stale. Surely over time you've come to accept that the amusement has gone out. I suggest humbling yourself before the dog one last time before humiliating him once again by playing his own game. Once that has happened, there is an ever so small a chance that a sliver of hope will appear and you can inject this beast with something more. Teach him humility, rouse him to burning thought and change the man for the better. That dear friend will be all the more entertaining, even if it fails.

Quan does say Link has superhuman strength now, so tis possible. Was getting there with BT too till Peach made him implode with her mind.. least that's why I think happens with bans.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, I can, and did.

I will post all of the information you need. If you want to do a battlezone, you have to do two. It's simple. Accept, or back down. Create a battlezone thread if you really want to debate that foolish character. You are in my thread arguing away and gave yourself an out. Sorry, doesn't work that way. I only argue characters I am familiar with. You don't. That's why you are the fanboy and I am your lord and master.

Either accept or live in shame.Originally posted by AuraAngel
Quan does nothing but talk big. But really I just don't want to see you picking on him. I mean he tries his best to pick at you but he fails so spectacularly that I can't count it. You doing the reverse seems harsher. I've done 4 battlezones. That's actually backing it up. How many have any of you video game nerds done ? 0.


Originally posted by BloodRain
Quan does say Link has superhuman strength now, so tis possible. Was getting there with BT too till Peach made him implode with her mind.. least that's why I think happens with bans. I said that way back when on the video game versus forum. That's nothing new.

Backing down, then?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I've done 4 battlezones. That's actually backing it up. How many have any of you video game nerds done ? 0.


That'll do pup, that'll do.

Question, whats the difference between a Battlezone thread where people judge it and a normal debate thread where people judge it?

Pretty sure only one person debates for each side in a battle zone.

I find it humerous this is being argued in Foreign Cinema when HP isnt Foreign nor is Zelda a film.

Not to mention I promise that Quanchi, no matter what you say, will Inevitably bring in Voldemort and say he wins. Watch.

Foreign cinema is the All Versus Forum now, Scarlet.

And yeah, Quan is neither reasonable, nor good at being right.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pretty sure only one person debates for each side in a battle zone.
Isn't that what happens to half the threads here?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Backing down, then? You did. Not I. I run from no one. You have never manned up in your life. People who drink all the time usually are the biggest cowards of all. Originally posted by BloodRain
Question, whats the difference between a Battlezone thread where people judge it and a normal debate thread where people judge it? There is a winner and loser.

Then accept the challenge or gtfo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then accept the challenge or gtfo. I offered the challenge. You backed down. I didn't say this was let's make a deal. You don't have the stones to judge a debate what's judged because you aren't confident in yourself. I am. I am a doer while you are a talker.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Then accept the challenge or gtfo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
repeating yourself in an endless loop is why I know you will never accept. You don't even know what a retort is.

I already accepted, Quan. I'm pushing for a debate, you're backing down.

So, if you're done, leave. If you accept, accept, and stop ****ing crying about the stipulations. You want me to put it in, you have to go through with foreplay.

It's pretty awesome how terrified you are of putting a character you like against a pony.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I already accepted, Quan. I'm pushing for a debate, you're backing down.

So, if you're done, leave. If you accept, accept, and stop ****ing crying about the stipulations. You want me to put it in, you have to go through with foreplay.

It's pretty awesome how terrified you are of putting a character you like against a pony. I don't debate for or against characters I know nothing about. If you accept Potterverse versus Zelda say so. If you don't then live in shame as usual.

I've already said so, and I've given stipulations.

So are you in or out? Yes, or no? Because it's looking a hell of a lot like you're backing down.

Either way Potterverse against Zeldaverse, Ganondorf solos them all. None of them have the power or the ability to take him out. >=D

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Either way Potterverse against Zeldaverse, Ganondorf solos them all. None of them have the power or the ability to take him out. >=D Or to survive literally any of his possible methods for killing them.

He's flash frozen entire settlements, shattered islands, cast permanent night over the world, overlapped an entire country with a separate dimension, he's crushed castles with TK, the list goes on.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've already said so, and I've given stipulations.

So are you in or out? Yes, or no? Because it's looking a hell of a lot like you're backing down. This isn't let's make a deal. You either accept my battlezone or flee when the lights are turned on.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Either way Potterverse against Zeldaverse, Ganondorf solos them all. None of them have the power or the ability to take him out. >=D Based on what ? Sages beat him. Link beat him. What did he show he could survive that they can't outdo.

I not only accepted, I've started a whole new debate. The ball is in your court, you're the only one not on board.

So what will it be, are you in, or are you out?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I not only accepted, I've started a whole new debate. The ball is in your court, you're the only one not on board.

So what will it be, are you in, or are you out? My offer is for this battlezone alone. You gave yourself an out. Back down, poochie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? Sages beat him. Link beat him. What did he show he could survive that they can't outdo. The sent him to a completely different world while he was still unsure what had even happened to him, when he'd only just received the ToP. That is not the same as actually defeating him at his full power.

Link beat him with the Master Sword, which is as powerful as the completed triforce.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My offer is for this battlezone alone. You gave yourself an out. Back down, poochie. So you're out? Good to know. I accept your surrender.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The sent him to a completely different world while he was still unsure what had even happened to him, when he'd only just received the ToP. That is not the same as actually defeating him at his full power.

Link beat him with the Master Sword, which is as powerful as the completed triforce. Yes, he got beat by far less powerful foes. What a weak/stupid idiot.

Link beat him due to being more skilled. LOL at Dorf losing to someone who trained for 3 weeks at best.

it's a kiddie world where one dragon can dominate.

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Behold, Quanchi's greatest fear!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what ? Sages beat him. Link beat him. What did he show he could survive that they can't outdo.
And yet he remains. He can not actually Die. He can be defeated and hurt by only Holy weapons or his own magics. But he cant die.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The sent him to a completely different world while he was still unsure what had even happened to him, when he'd only just received the ToP. That is not the same as actually defeating him at his full power.

Link beat him with the Master Sword, which is as powerful as the completed triforce. Bfr is a win. It's called battle field removal. You really don't know much of anything. Quit crying. He didn't want to go but he was sent away. That's an L, fanboy.

The word holy means nothing in these debates. You are one of those suckers for hyperbole. Something is either powerful enough or it isn't.

He did die. I saw him die. He might come back again at some point. But it remains he died and lost Game over.

But more importantly take me up on this battlezone challenge. Be the man paste claims to be.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/_c979525_image_0.png
Behold, Quanchi's greatest fear! Just crawl back into the shadows from whence you came.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just crawl back into the shadows from whence you came.
Refuses to accept challenge, pretends I'm the one backing down.
http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5147-rbd-quitbeingstupid.png

It's like when NemeBro tried to set up a Kratos v.s. Gabriel Belmont battlezone, and you ran away then, too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bfr is a win. It's called battle field removal. You really don't know much of anything. Quit crying. He didn't want to go but he was sent away. That's an L, fanboy.

The word holy means nothing in these debates. You are one of those suckers for hyperbole. Something is either powerful enough or it isn't.

He did die. I saw him die. He might come back again at some point. But it remains he died and lost Game over.

But more importantly take me up on this battlezone challenge. Be the man paste claims to be.

I haven't been reading this but I recognize all the signs of Quan making up excuses

Holy does means something where there is a legitimate, proven Deity in the lore.

Not dead if the same guy keeps coming back....

Quit backing down Quan.

gwah

Quan if you say yes Scream will say yes and you'll both get your Battlezones, its win win.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is a winner and loser.
Mkay, but how is that any different from saying 'hey guys, flick through this thread and judge who wins'?

Sorry just not getting the formality when the judges are just normal thread members.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Refuses to accept challenge, pretends I'm the one backing down.
http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw5147-rbd-quitbeingstupid.png

It's like when NemeBro tried to set up a Kratos v.s. Gabriel Belmont battlezone, and you ran away then, too. If you don't accept this battlezone straight up I take this idea to the movie forum. If someone else accepts you will look like a scared coward. You know it and I know it. The choice is yours.

Originally posted by Bentley
I haven't been reading this but I recognize all the signs of Quan making up excuses 4 battlezones under my belt. I don't think anyone how done that many. Point proven.

Originally posted by Pwned
Holy does means something where there is a legitimate, proven Deity in the lore.

Not dead if the same guy keeps coming back....

Quit backing down Quan. It's just a word. Hyperbole has no place in these kinds of matches.Originally posted by BloodRain
gwah

Quan if you say yes Scream will say yes and you'll both get your Battlezones, its win win.


Mkay, but how is that any different from saying 'hey guys, flick through this thread and judge who wins'?

Sorry just not getting the formality when the judges are just normal thread members. I am not doing research on a pony character.

The fact we both agree to judges and accept the outcome.

Look at this scared Quanchi guy. Look how scared he is.

He should be, too.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8107-865.gif

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Look at this scared Quanchi guy. Look how scared he is.

He should be, too.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw8107-865.gif You backed down. It's bad enough you like pony shows but to beg for a battlezone to someone who doesn't like kiddie pony shows is on a whole new level of creepiness.

You backed down. I will go elsewhere.

Quan has surrendered the field and fled.

http://pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw374_12286_-_animated_rainbow_dash.gif

Victory!