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Rogers gets his shield and miscellaneous gear, Chief gets an assault rifle and grenade.

Round 1. Bombed out building with lots of cover.
Round 2. Completely open ground.

Define "miscellaneous gear." Make sure you're not short-ending Chief with arbitrary equipment. Also may want to specify grenades for Chief.

Steve carries random useful crap in the pouches on his belt sometimes. It's no hyperspace arsenal, but small explosives (nothing that could damage Chief), and syringes and the like.

Dat shield, though.

Basically support gear. Got it.

Whose?

Cap's shield. It's a handy dandy thing, with which he has done some manly stuff.

Chief but you already know this scream I knew you were going to post something like this lol.

What makes you believe Chief wins here?

Well he is stronger, faster, more durable. But that shield is one hell of a problem.

No, no, yes, but who cares because shield.

The shield will indeed be an impressively stubborn problem, and Master Chief can't handle Rogers in a close confrontation, which he will turn this into, imho.

How is mc not faster or stronger caps bench is 800 and chiefs is in the tons, cap fastest speed feat was running like 55 mph, while chiefs starting acceleration is 55 kph

Master chief

Still deciding on this. mmm

Chief's armor and shielding is almost the same as Cap's shield aside from the fact that Chief can't use his directly as a weapon, but he already has guns for that.

By default, Chief's definitely more durable due to the armor alone. As for speed and strength, I'm still not totally sure. Although Chief does casually flip tanks and has a 20ms reaction time (supposedly faster w/ Cortana).

I know it wasn't specified, but does Chief have an armor ability in this scenario?

MC's reaction time is 20 milliseconds, Rogers has consistently shown multiton strength. The shield is a surprisingly dangerous weapon.

As for armor abilities, does Chief have one?

So has chief flipping 65 ton tanks in one go and can lift several tons over his head with ease.

Originally posted by sacred108
So has chief flipping 65 ton tanks in one go and can lift several tons over his head with ease.
Chief's actual strength is less than that, and flipping that weight would be less than lifting it anyway. shrug

Unarmoured he's at 2 tons, I forget how strong he is with it. mmm

His armor is approximately 1 ton by itself IIRC. He's commonly believed to be around class 5, and he is apparently capable of deflecting Scorpion Tank shells. This is probably a literary feat, so I'm unable to provide a citation, unfortunately.

He swatted the A2G missile fired from a jet fighter in Fall of Reach. It was apart of the trial where he first dons the suit and gets Cortana.

I don't bother with Captain America threads since Steve's superpower is basically turning the people he fights into retards who have forgotten what their abilities are.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
He swatted the A2G missile fired from a jet fighter in Fall of Reach. It was apart of the trial where he first dons the suit and gets Cortana.

I don't bother with Captain America threads since Steve's superpower is basically turning the people he fights into retards who have forgotten what their abilities are.

Thanks for clarifying. Though I can't tell if that's more or less impressive. Impressive nonetheless though. How was Fall of Reach, BTW? I've never touched any of the novels.

I think what you're referring to here is the infamous "jobber aura". Fortunately, I don't see that becoming an issue in this thread.

Logically it's Master Chief but Cap probably has survived worse because of comic plots.

The armor increases Chief's strength by 3x I believe. Chief without armor was able to dismantle trainers in exoskeletons that were 2 tonnors.

Also given his recent fight with John Steele, Cap's fighting skills won't be a major advantage over a stronger, arguably faster and more durable character

I'd say Chief wins, Cap's going to have a hard time hurting him, although he could potentially win with a few good shots with his shield, Chief isn't going to simply stand there and let Cap pound on him with the shield.

I'd actually give this match over to John more often than not. He's tactical enough to find his way around Steve's shield, and his natural luck (Extraordinary abilities are broken) should be good to mitigate the jobber aura.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I'd actually give this match over to John more often than not. He's tactical enough to find his way around Steve's shield, and his natural luck (Extraordinary abilities are broken) should be good to mitigate the jobber aura.

You're right. I forgot Chief had his own brand of "plot armor" (mind you, not near as ridiculous). It appears my decision is made. It's definitely close, but Chief should take this.

So we are all in agreement that chief wins.

I'm going to support Cap. Fanboyish? Maybe. But if he can do as well as he's done against guys like Iron Man and Hulk, I don't think Master Chief is going to destroy him.

That's fine. I never said John takes this with ease anyway. They're similar archetypes, which makes pinning down a win a matter worth discussion. The adaptive shielding on the Mjolnir armor offers some incredible defense for John, not just from its ability to withstand damage, but by its full body protection. Steve's shield is out right the stronger of the two defensive objects, but it also has the disadvantages of being a traditional defensive shield: It covers a certain area.

Round One actually favors Steve more, I think. The building cuts down line of sight and makes his shield a lot better defensively. I see John capable of finding a method to flank him, but it's no easy task.

Round Two favors Master Chief, giving him plenty of room to get past Captain America's shield range. Does the shield have an active boomerang effect, or does Steve get back mainly through ricochet? If its the latter, throwing it won't be much of an option if he doesn't want to expose himself to John's gunfire.

But remember Chief has a lot of experience in fighting in close spaces

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I don't bother with Captain America threads since Steve's superpower is basically turning the people he fights into retards who have forgotten what their abilities are.



Cap's jobber aura is surpassed only by Batman's.

Anyway, without PIS, Chief wins.

He can only get it back through Ricochet, Xanatos.

That's good to know. So, with that in mind, I imagine Rogers will play out each round on opposite sides: Offensive in the building, where he has lots of angles to maximize his shield throw; Defensive out in the open.

I wonder if mc could catch caps shield

Originally posted by sacred108
I wonder if mc could catch caps shield

If he can swat missiles and tank shells, it doesn't seem unlikely that he is able. It's more of a question if he would.

He probably can. Don't remember the max velocity of Steve's throws, but I think John should be capable of doing so.

Oh my god mc with caps shield equals ****ing awesomeness. And if he catches it here Steve is screwed.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
He probably can. Don't remember the max velocity of Steve's throws, but I think John should be capable of doing so.

Definitely. The only thing left to consider would be John's likelihood of attempting it. I see him just dodging the shit, but I would LOVE to see him catch it! Kinda like Bucky did in the trailer for the new movie. THAT was badass enough!

Originally posted by sacred108
Oh my god mc with caps shield equals ****ing awesomeness.

Exactly my point.

I'm sure there's fan art somewhere.

Yep

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7741063936/h596FAA25/

I think Cortana would point out how taking away Steve's weapon would be an advantage.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/186/capspeed1pn6.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/407/capdamanta2.jpg/

You really should spend some time in Cap's respect thread.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7842/capiii12p21gz7.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2255/capiii13p1448fa0365vx8.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4227/captainamericav303911bf0.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8218/captainamericav305061cs8.jpg

And now your so but hurt you brought this back up again.

How bout you look at mc respect thread

Cap has better feats.

Go read mc respect thread if he has one
Also beating Spiderman is useless when you beat the diadac

I've seen MC in more threads than you've posted in across all five of your accounts.

Post some feats if you think I haven't seen them, that you think compare to what Cap's capable of.

Cap's feats are better-->he's going to win.

What do you mean 5 accounts

Wait now your just trolling and being a but hurt idiot anything cap has done except pis I could counter with mc.

battlemaster, I Am Vegeta, Ferret Fiend, sacred108, Danny Wayne.

Now I know your stupid. Wow what buthurt fanboys do amazes me also read edit.

Wait a troll and an idiot it all makes sense your a sock of quan chi

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Now I know your stupid. Wow what buthurt fanboys do amazes me also read edit.

Wait a troll and an idiot it all makes sense your a sock of quan chi
So, rather than support your stance you've chosen to have a hissy fit and call me names.

Unfortunately for you complacency doesn't lend itself well to winning debates, and without evidence to support him MC can't beat Cap.

Your doing the exact same thing scream anything cap can do mc can do better.

Captain America's strength is probably two tons at best, maybe five on an exaggerated run. His shield helps, but I don't see why MC can't adapt and catch it when thrown. Don't really see how Steve can stop or hurt him with his suit.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Your doing the exact same thing scream anything cap can do mc can do better.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/186/capspeed1pn6.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/407/capdamanta2.jpg/

You really should spend some time in Cap's respect thread.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7842/capiii12p21gz7.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2255/capiii13p1448fa0365vx8.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4227/captainamericav303911bf0.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8218/captainamericav305061cs8.jpg
Behold, evidence.

Now it is your turn. Cap has dismantled full on robots and power armoured enemies in the past, he's caught friggin' rockets in his bare hands, his shield has wrecked entire trucks and he's toppled multiton stone statues.

These are not his obscene high end showings, where he's fought Iron Man and Hulk, but rather his more consistent ones.

Taken down scarabs beats those.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Taken down scarabs beats those.
He does not do this with strength speed or durability, he does it with big guns and shiny weakpoints. Cap has no shiny weakpoints, is not too large to fight back if Chief is underneath him, does not rely on ranged attacks, and his shield will be even better against the types of weapon used to take down a scarab v.s. a man sized target.

Until cap throws it and mc catches it

You sure are betting a lot of your chances on Cap, one of the best tactical minds on Marvel Earth, making such a simple mistake and MC being able to actually catch a full on shield toss. It could very well just end up damaging his armour.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1526/captainamericav302535ux1.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5655/captainamericav302709vk0.jpg
Some shield tosses for your consideration.

Well in all fairness those are things that aren't as durable as MC and their inanimate objects. As for MC catching it, he's perfectly able to do so. Maybe not on the first try, but people have caught it before, he's got the reflexes to do so. Trick shots would be harder to catch or even anticipate.

I'm not ruling it out as entirely impossible, but Cap's not going to just hand it over, and he is not incapable of trick shots, and he can throw it hard as hell, Chief would need to be extremely on the ball, or very lucky, and it still might damage him. I don't think Cap will spend too much time throwing it around anyway without seeing some kind of opening, since enemy with gun.

Pretty sure if cap threw it directly at hulk without a second thought pretty sure he throw it the same way at MC.

He doesn't have to just hand it over. He can throw it with the intention of taking off MC's head but that wouldn't still stop MC from being able to catch it. Steve's only fault in having a shield caught is throwing it in the first place and that's it. In scenario 2 there's not much he can do trick wise since it's an open field. May not be enough room in the first scenario depending on how crowded it is. I don't know the durability of Halo guns but if it's not anything spectacular then it gets destroyed when Steve tries to disarm him unless he aims for the wrist.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Pretty sure if cap threw it directly at hulk without a second thought pretty sure he throw it the same way at MC.

He'd go to disarm him first so he wouldn't throw it the same way as he would Hulk.

Ok but when he disarms MC and throws his shield. Mc will catch beat the crap out of Cap get a paint job to match the colors of the shield go back to the halo verse looking Fan ****ing Tastic. Sacred has the pick of this.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Ok but when he disarms MC and throws his shield. Mc will catch beat the crap out of Cap get a paint job to match the colors of the shield go back to the halo verse looking Fan ****ing Tastic. Sacred has the pick of this.

In h2h it should be a stalemate. Steve has the reflexes and skill in ability to dodge and toss him around but I don't see him doing any lasting damage with his fists alone. Chief has the strength to knock him out, not with one punch or anything but he has the strength but hitting him will prove difficult.

I think master chief also has reflexes that can keep up with caps.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
I think master chief also has reflexes that can keep up with caps.

He does, but Steve utilizing something like Judo can toss him and use his momentum against him. Won't knock him out or give him a victory but it'll keep him in the fight. This is probably a stalemate both ways until one runs out of stamina. After a long fight it'd probably be Steve running out first unless the suit has a limited energy supply that I don't know of.

Well chief has never really showed a feat of lacking of stamina but cap hasent either. But Master Chief fell from space and when he got back up he was immediately already kicking ass that shows he can go a while before actually losing any type of stamina.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In h2h it should be a stalemate. Steve has the reflexes and skill in ability to dodge and toss him around but I don't see him doing any lasting damage with his fists alone. Chief has the strength to knock him out, not with one punch or anything but he has the strength but hitting him will prove difficult.

Keep in mind, Spartans are fast as all hell.

Originally posted by KingD19
Keep in mind, Spartans are fast as all hell.

I'll admit that my Halo knowledge is very small so if I say something that contradicts the lore and feats then feel free to correct me.

Master chiefs acceleration speed is like 55 Kph I believe

His movement speed and physical reflexes(which I believe are further enhanced by Cortana) are ridiculous in that universe. I'll have to do some searching to find more feats.

I don't think Chief is going to be immune to Cap at all, Cap has torn apart power armour and robots, he can also probably lock the suit by knocking Chief around enough.

What were the armor and robots made out of? Do they have any durability feats?

It took an orbital fall to lock Chief's armor.

No idea on the armour, but breaking apart steel robots is pretty standard fare for him. Not saying he can do the exact same thing to Chief, just that Chief will not be wholly immune. Chief's durability is his defining asset in this fight.

Originally posted by KingD19
It took an orbital fall to lock Chief's armor.
IE, terminal velocity, not all that much.

The robots cap destroyed have nothing on chiefs armor

The robots and steel are all fodder, featless wonders only there to make him look good. They're nothing in comparison to his armor and durability though.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No idea on the armour, but breaking apart steel robots is pretty standard fare for him. Not saying he can do the exact same thing to Chief, just that Chief will not be wholly immune. Chief's durability is his defining asset in this fight.


IE, terminal velocity, not all that much.

Terminal velocity isn't the only factor. You reach terminal velocity pretty fast and don't have to be that high up. The farther you fall, the harder you hit the ground. IE, falling off a roof won't do as much damage as falling from a skyscraper.

He fell from pretty much orbit all the way to planet side and made a nice sized crater. Got right back up with no damage to the suit or him.

Also, he has a prenatural ability of being extremely lucky. Almost like Longshot or Domino. So his tangible luckiness will play a factor in the fight. Cap might misjudge a throw, slip on something, etc, etc,...

Originally posted by KingD19
Terminal velocity isn't the only factor. You reach terminal velocity pretty fast and don't have to be that high up. The farther you fall, the harder you hit the ground. IE, falling off a roof won't do as much damage as falling from a skyscraper.

He fell from pretty much orbit all the way to planet side and made a nice sized crater. Got right back up with no damage to the suit or him.

Also, he has a prenatural ability of being extremely lucky. Almost like Longshot or Domino. So his tangible luckiness will play a factor in the fight. Cap might misjudge a throw, slip on something, etc, etc,...
Terminal velocity is the point at which you cannot fall any faster. You hit that point and no matter how far you fall you do not accelerate.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The robots and steel are all fodder, featless wonders only there to make him look good. They're nothing in comparison to his armor and durability though. Cap has still destroyed a steel structure each time this occurs.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also, he has a prenatural ability of being extremely lucky. Almost like Longshot or Domino. So his tangible luckiness will play a factor in the fight. Cap might misjudge a throw, slip on something, etc, etc,...

Xan and I discussed this earlier. Chief's luck and Cap's jobber aura are plot defined, and would likely cancel each other out. mmm

I know what terminal velocity is. But you still hit with more impact the longer you're falling.

A person falling from say 500 feet will hit with much less impact force than someone falling from twice that height. And Chief's terminal velocity would be much higher than a normal person since he's tipping the scales at nearly a ton in full armor.

Originally posted by KingD19
I know what terminal velocity is. But you still hit with more impact the longer you're falling.

A person falling from say 500 feet will hit with much less impact force than someone falling from twice that height. And Chief's terminal velocity would be much higher than a normal person since he's tipping the scales at nearly a ton in full armor. No, you don't, lol. If I fell from space when I hit the ground it'd be exactly the same as falling from the CN tower, I'd just be colder and have trouble breathing earlier on, resulting in probably unconsciousness the rest of the way.

Exact same speed and force when I hit the ground, though. Chief's terminal velocity is higher, sure, but still not out of Cap's league to replicate that much force.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Terminal velocity is the point at which you cannot fall any faster. You hit that point and no matter how far you fall you do not accelerate.
Cap has still destroyed a steel structure each time this occurs.

I don't deny that he can punch through steel, he's one of my top five favorite Marvel characters but punching through steel doesn't mean he's punching through Chief or coming close.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I don't deny that he can punch through steel, he's one of my top five favorite Marvel characters but punching through steel doesn't mean he's punching through Chief or coming close. Not claiming he can punch through Chief, not at all good sir. I'm just saying Chief won't be immune to him, especially with the shield.

Pretty sure mc could catch caps punches and his shield.

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Pretty sure mc could catch caps punches and his shield. Pretty sure you need to prove your claims. That shield caught up with an already fired missile and demolished it, and Cap is /really/ good with it, Chief is not likely to catch a toss at all and in melee he's not getting it, except to the face.

If mc can swipe away tank shells he should be able to stop a shield

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pretty sure you need to prove your claims. That shield caught up with an already fired missile and demolished it, and Cap is /really/ good with it, Chief is not likely to catch a toss at all and in melee he's not getting it, except to the face.

Tzeentch._ pointed out earlier that Chief could catch missiles.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Tzeentch._ pointed out earlier that Chief could catch missiles.
1. Not like that one
2. Cap has done so also
3. Cap's shield was faster than and demolished said missile, and he's thrown it after a bullet was fired and achieved things before the bullet hit it's target before.

Even after missing the remainder of this argument, I'm still in on Chief winning. Regardless, I've learned one very important thing: Both of these guys are manly/metal as all f**k! haermm

Fair conclusion.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pretty sure you need to prove your claims. That shield caught up with an already fired missile and demolished it, and Cap is /really/ good with it, Chief is not likely to catch a toss at all and in melee he's not getting it, except to the face. Daredevil, Punisher, Hawkeye and Bucky have all caught or deflected Cap's shield at one point or another.

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The ending of that was awful cause he wouldn't have died by that.

I think chief wins though cause I haven't kept up with current cap, anybody have some of his feats.

Too bad they're wrong.

heck yeah. It's been a while since I've met another master chief fan.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya

I think chief wins though cause I haven't kept up with current cap, anybody have some of his feats.

Great logic right there,

Well how do you think he wins. I say chief already just because I haven't seen a non PIS feat to where cap can keep up with him.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Great logic right there,

No offense, man, but SPB(D) isn't much of an argument either seeing as it's primarily based on the assumption of fans.

Remember, even the uninformed can vote.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
No offense, man, but SPB(D) isn't much of an argument either seeing as it's primarily based on the assumption of fans.

Remember, even the uninformed can vote.

Except it seems to be about right, when it comes to Capt

but of course you Chief fans say different as usual.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Except it seems to be about right, when it comes to Capt

but of course you Chief fans say different as usual.

I happen to like both, and I've already made my points in this thread.

Chief fans don't post post pis feats and state that he is on that level like cap fans do.
I have yet to see a non PIS feat of caps that put him on chiefs level.

Chief wins with armor and shield, even without it.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
I have yet to see a non PIS feat of caps that put him on chiefs level.

That term gets thrown around alot on here, Most of the time its people who can't accept the character doing it

as for that SPB video they're doing a alternate with the Chief winning, just to keep the fans happy


I'm going with Capt for the fight, This is the guy that lives in a world were gods and world eaters inhabit and yet your saying someone liek Chief wins...

Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm going with Capt for the fight, This is the guy that lives in a world were gods and world eaters inhabit and yet your saying someone liek Chief wins...

Aunt May lives in the same world. That doesn't mean she would beat MC...

Talk about going off topic, smartass.

Originally posted by ares834
Aunt May lives in the same world. That doesn't mean she would beat MC... agree with this 100%.
Kazenji has no idea what he is talking about.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Talk about going off topic, smartass.

Off topic? Not at all. I'm using the same inane logic as you.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I'm going with Capt for the fight, This is the guy that lives in a world were gods and world eaters inhabit and yet your saying someone liek Chief wins...

Originally posted by Kazenji
Great logic right there,

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Chief fans don't post post pis feats and state that he is on that level like cap fans do.
I have yet to see a non PIS feat of caps that put him on chiefs level. Cap has been pulling off ridiculous feats for decades now, PIS feats would be Cap beating the Hulk's ass in Fallen Son or outrunning a bullet, those aren't the feats being used.

I would give Chief a slight physical advantage but Cap could make up for it with his fighting technique. What really gives Chief here an edge is his durability and unbreakable bones. Cap could potentially do damage with his shield but unlikely before taking significant damage himself.

I think they are about equal and speed.

Also chief has excellent h2h at 14 he boxed 5 odst troopers and killed them. But cap probably has the advantage in h2h.

They might be, Chief has shown that he can sprint faster than Captain America but he ended up tearing his achilles tendon in the process.

The chiefs best speed was 50 mph.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
The chiefs best speed was 50 mph. Chief was able to run half a kilometer in 17 seconds, he would be able to run a mile in 54 seconds if he didn't tear his achilles tendon, that's well above 50 mph and faster than Cap.

Captain America 6/10

Master chief 7-8/10

Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
Chief was able to run half a kilometer in 17 seconds, he would be able to run a mile in 54 seconds if he didn't tear his achilles tendon, that's well above 50 mph and faster than Cap. Wasn't Captain America able to run 60mph?

Originally posted by TheHulk
Wasn't Captain America able to run 60mph? no the best I've seen him do is 45 - 50 mph.

Cap ran a mile which took like a minute and a half.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Wasn't Captain America able to run 60mph? Cap stated that he could run a mile in just OVER a minute, but he didn't actually do it. That would still put him under Chief's max though.

Originally posted by TrevorPhillipss
Cap stated that he could run a mile in just OVER a minute, but he didn't actually do it. That would still put him under Chief's max though. Chief has always been stated to only run 50mph ONLY. and actually some Marvel office people stated that Cap A's 60mph is hyperbole.

Honestly, who gives a shit about their running speeds at this point? It's a weird issue to be stuck on, and the difference (in this case) isn't really surmountable enough to determine this.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Chief has always been stated to only run 50mph ONLY. and actually some Marvel office people stated that Cap A's 60mph is hyperbole. Well we already know that's untrue

The difference is Chief has an actual feat, Cap doesn't.